Will A1 overtake F1?

Now that Ferrari has agreed to supply engines and provide consultion on the design and manufacture of the series’ standard chassis.

My question is, if the future A1 cars were to become more powerful and faster than F1 cars due to further FIA restriction on F1 engine and aero development, will A1 cause damage to the popularity of F1 as the pinnacle of motor sports?

Rather unlikely; provided A1 is meant to be a winter series then there is no real competition with F1, what makes the difference is the amount of money around F1 which A1 will never be able to achieve, since it's monomake, and the big Auto Corporations cannot have any involvement.

if A1 is able to generate greater TV viewership, I am sure $$ will naturally flow into the sports through TV revenue and sponsorships. We have to remember that although F1 teams do spend alot more money, but most money are spent on duplicating work.

If A1 is able to race with cars like F2007 and with slicks and more powerful engine, i am sure it will be very interesting to watch.

Not sure if Ferrari is using A1 as a platform against FIA unfavourable ideas on future F1.

if A1 is able to generate greater TV viewership, I am sure $$ will naturally flow into the sports through TV revenue and sponsorships.

An increase in TV viewers is pretty unlikely until it's more widely available to the average motorsport-watcher: in Britain, for example, A1GP isn't shown on terrestrial TV, so I've never seen it, and I wouldn't subscribe to a sports channel just to watch it, whereas if F1 was only available on digital TV I probably would. A1 doesn't have that pulling power.

I wouldn't subscribe to a sports channel just to watch it, whereas if F1 was only available on digital TV I probably would. A1 doesn't have that pulling power.

Agreed. If F1 was subsription only I would begrudgingly pay for it. No way would I pay for A1. To be honest A1 holds very little appeal for me although that's possibly because of lack of TV coverage. I'm not into this 1 nation 1 car idea either.

Well, overtaking is something A1GP does quite well, while F1 needs to wait for the next round of pit stops (unless it rains). :p

They both have their respective merits, A1GP is great wheel to wheel racing and personally I do like the nation vs nation thing.

However I doubt A1GP will ever overtake F1, catch up perhaps but only after a decade or more. They are totally different concepts however and should be able to coexist. It is already apparent that they have quite different fan bases. Many of the fans on the official A1GP forums are very passionate however very new to motorsport (and fans of Indonesia, Lebanon, Pakistan and the like).

In a word, no. F1 is F1, and will always be the worlds most popular motorsport.

One tends to forget that A1GP is still very young a series, and has to evolve abit to be a real challenge to a top tier series.

Apparently though, A1GP has constantly stressed that it is not trying to overtake F1, but rather, be satisfied to be a feeder series of sorts. Signing Ferrari is a big boost to the series, and interestingly, A1GP is a series that sort of "satisfy" the demands of the casual fans that complain about F1 - the want of more overtaking actions, nationality competition (as now we have the brits vs spaniards vs italians...) , etc...

But F1's focus is much on technology, whereas A1GP is more about just letting people with same cars fight things out.

Where A1GP lacks is the TV coverage as well as the nature of the tracks they race on. Sort things out, and they'd be a brilliant complement (not competitor) to F1.

I like the idea of A1, but will it overtake F1! Can't see it myself.

At the end of the day it's a one make series, I doubt it'll ever be bigger than F1.

It won't overtake F1 but in the early - mid nineties, the Champcar World Series in the States had the best actual racing going on. There has been a void since that A1 could easily fill if it's done right.

They'll probably be an official Ferrari entry (Team Italy).This team will win because it will say that all the other teams have information pertaining to the specification of its current car.All the other teams will be caught (red handed you could say) with these documents and will be given fines of err,about,off the top of my head,hmmmm....$100,000,000 :laugh:

If A1GP ever becomes more popular than F1 I will never convert to the so called self proclaimed tedious 'world cup of motorsport.'

This issue has been discussed at length in the past (so, before the Ferrari deal was confirmed, but the points are still relevant).

The two series are not in competition with each other. They're both circuit racing - that's where the similarity ends.
Different times of the year; different race formats; different concept (Nation v. Nation).

In time, the popularity of A1GP will build. Probably with more popular TV rights, more coverage in magazines, etc...
It could conceivably become a new Tasman Cup series. But it's there to compliment F1 during the off-season (with a slight overlap), so you don't suffer withdrawal symptoms and have to have to annual silly season threads ;)

As has been said, this is not a direct competition between F1 and A1 GP. A1 GP will find itself competing with the GP2 winter series eventually I should imagine.

If F1 was in competition with A1 GP it would sadly crush the young series to death and this is probably a big reason it is run during the "off-season" as it were.

Both are great series, A1 GP has some terrific racing that F1 couldn't possibly hope to have at the moment and it is a terrific tonic during the quiet winter months. But it doesn't have the history and solid financial base of F1. If it was to go into competition and beat F1 it would take decades.

I'm not a big fan of A1 GP. The racing is reasonably good, but it could only really be the World Cup of Motorsport if it featured the World's top drivers (ie - Hamilton for GB, Alonso for Spain, Bordais for France, Dixon for Australia...etc).

I'd love to see it turned into a 3 or 4 race off-season series on this basis, but I realise there's little chance of it happening. It would be much more satisfying than the RoC.

I'm not a big fan of A1 GP. The racing is reasonably good, but it could only really be the World Cup of Motorsport if it featured the World's top drivers (ie - Hamilton for GB, Alonso for Spain, Bordais for France, Dixon for Australia...etc).

I'd love to see it turned into a 3 or 4 race off-season series on this basis, but I realise there's little chance of it happening. It would be much more satisfying than the RoC.

Now that's a good idea:)

Will A1 overtake F1 ??

Put both cars in a long straight like Barcelona or Fuji... we'll see ! :)

No, A1 will never overtake F1 in resgards to sponsorship and fan support. The idea of the series is good, but in direct competition A1 would be stomped into the ground.

if it featured the World's top drivers (ie - Hamilton for GB, Alonso for Spain, Bordais for France, Dixon for Australia...etc).

Just playing devil's advocate - you don't know they are the best drivers until you put them in equal machines (look at all the top draw Indy/Champ car drivers who have run in A1 and been made to look average by a bunch of F3 drivers).

A1 has more overtaking than any other non-oval single seaters, but overtaking alone does not make the best series.

With restricted F1 cars, A1 should be aiming to be an equal (but with the winter season, not a competitor) to US open wheel racing by the end of the decade.

Final (sad) point: the minute A1 (or anyone else) gets close to F1, Bernie & Max will crush them.

Hmm, weren't there big financial problems for A1 5 minutes ago and loads of questions being asked about the series' future?

I remain sceptical about the series

jab, we didn't talk about F1 financial problems, because if they have some of these, they're well covered with the popularity, fan base and current sponsorship.

I'm not a big fan of A1 GP. The racing is reasonably good, but it could only really be the World Cup of Motorsport if it featured the World's top drivers (ie - Hamilton for GB, Alonso for Spain, Bordais for France, Dixon for Australia...etc).

I'd love to see it turned into a 3 or 4 race off-season series on this basis, but I realise there's little chance of it happening. It would be much more satisfying than the RoC.

Those bloody Australians again, there always steeling our stuff. Dixon is a Kiwi - in case you don't know what a Kiwi is, they are from New Zealand ;)

I don't see A1 ever coming close to F1, as courageous said The Burnie & Max show will crush them if they got close.

Having said that I am really looking forward to A1GP powered by Ferrari. What would also be very cool is for A1 & F1 to do a few joint meetings at the start and end of their respective seasons. It would defiantly be a meeting worth attending

The only problems I see with the Ferrari deal are the Italians throwing their toys out of the cot if they're not winning and problems with some teams knowing what the other teams got...

As for beating F1 no way. Max and Bernie would kill it off....
Wasn't the winter GP2 series supposed to be an assination attempt on A1GP...?
I don't watch F1 live or on live TV anymore anyway...last race I saw live was Canada.

I think 2.5 billion Indians and Chinese will decide the future of A1 GP, not us Europeans/Americans.

E.g. India is expected to be the World's 3rd biggest economy in 15-18 years, and China the biggest in 15 (I think). Assuming A1 can last that long.

The 2008/9 car will apparently be based off the F2007, with a few modifications to acomodate a bigger engine, better overtaking (less downforce?) and to continue carrying a few of the traits of the current A1 car. They'll hold onto that technical package for a few years. Ferrari have the contract for 6 years but i'd be willing to bet after 3 years they'll be doing either minor or major upgrades to the package. That timeline just says it all. By March next year, Ferrari will be a couple of seconds faster than their current package, and A1 wont be making their package any faster than the F2007 it might be based off.

A1 may win out if the manufacturers pull out of F1...Could F1 survive if 3 manufacturers pulled out at once...it happened in the WRC, so given the right set of circumstances, it could in F1...

...that is the only way it could happen

Those bloody Australians again, there always steeling our stuff. Dixon is a Kiwi - in case you don't know what a Kiwi is, they are from New Zealand ;)

My apologies!

A1GP so far has been a junior series, like a GP2 for the winter months. That timeframe already rules out such competition..
Then can A1GP be viewed on Free TV in Europe?

Now that Ferrari has agreed to supply engines and provide consultion on the design and manufacture of the series’ standard chassis.

My question is, if the future A1 cars were to become more powerful and faster than F1 cars due to further FIA restriction on F1 engine and aero development, will A1 cause damage to the popularity of F1 as the pinnacle of motor sports?

No, that won't happen, and no it won't. Until the drivers taking part are actually decent, then it will be nothing more than an unofficial feeder series to F1.

The problem is with drivers and the country representatives. Teams are required to find funding, and that is only possible if the government supports, or if local companies pip in the cash

Drivers wise, while teams like Brazil, or UK, or other european based teams can easily have a queue of good quality drivers, teams like Malaysia and China with lesser motorsports culture, will only have limited choices and poorer quality drivers.

However, for A1GP to really take off, it needs a few more years, when the developing countries start to develop their own motorsports culture, things will start to get tighter.

A1GP will never take over, or overtake F1...

Why does one have to overtake the other?

F1 is great, but A1 provides us racing through the winter.

I watch and enjoy both.

Simply this is the question being asked. "Welcome" to Ten-Tenths Olive! :)

My apologies!

No problems Super Hans, he was actually born in Aussie but is a full blooded Kiwi.

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re GTR's comment on teams finding funding this can be a huge factor for the smaller countries. Team NZ is funded by Colin Giltrap not the NZ Government, I think from memory the government threw in a little to help host the Taupo round and not towards funding the cost doing the full season. For a small country like NZ (population 4 mill) unless we have the likes of the Colin Giltraps of the world helping countries like NZ wouldn't be on the grid.

No problem with motorsport culture in NZ though, have a huge pool of talent for such a small country.

Now that Ferrari has agreed to supply engines and provide consultion on the design and manufacture of the series’ standard chassis.



Forgive me, your thread is the first i've seen of this, but surely, as A1 is a series that uses the same chassis and engine, Ferrari have no input in this, engine or otherwise?

Forgive me, your thread is the first i've seen of this, but surely, as A1 is a series that uses the same chassis and engine, Ferrari have no input in this, engine or otherwise?

Ferarri are now the supplier of engines and chassis for A1GP. Info here (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19757.html)

Yupps, they're official supplier of engines for the whole A1GP, and provide design and consultancy for the series with regards to chassis.

Ah.. Ferrari on slicks again. The deal also extends to merchandizing. In return, it is speculated that A1GP boss will buy out a smaller team (ie Torro Rosso) if "team Bs" such as Prodrive/Super Aguri are allowed

Ferarri are now the supplier of engines and chassis for A1GP


So next years A1 cars will be this years McLarens?............:cool:

So next years A1 cars will be this years McLarens?............:cool:

:rofl: :rofl:

One thing that you can guarantee is that Ferrari will win one constructors championship next year ;)

There are now reports saying that next year's A1GP cars will be based on
Ferrari F2007.

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071016093918.shtml

It is also rumored that Dallara will be the chassis builder. I guess we will all just have to wait and see what is officially released

Final (sad) point: the minute A1 (or anyone else) gets close to F1, Bernie & Max will crush them.

A couple of poster said this, but just out of interest, how would they Crush them?

James

A couple of poster said this, but just out of interest, how would they Crush them?

James

With a hammer ?

It is also rumored that Dallara will be the chassis builder. I guess we will all just have to wait and see what is officially released

That's quite interesting NAC, any sources?

A couple of poster said this, but just out of interest, how would they Crush them?

James
See Group C sportscars and the International Touring Car Championship ;)

Although I don't get to follow A1 for that I don't have Skysports and would rather use F1 as a soundtrack to washing the dishes and cleaning the house other than to just watch Lewis

I would say very unlikely as for the big reason, the general public (read passing non-Autosport reading public) are suckered to believe that F1 is the best form of motorsport to be interested in

Generally a bit like Radio 1 suckering all their listeners to believe that Arctic Monkeys are the greatest thing since The Beatles and only that few to think sod that and tell them all to shove their CDs up the a:censored:e

Just playing devil's advocate - you don't know they are the best drivers until you put them in equal machines (look at all the top draw Indy/Champ car drivers who have run in A1 and been made to look average by a bunch of F3 drivers).

A1 has more overtaking than any other non-oval single seaters, but overtaking alone does not make the best series.

With restricted F1 cars, A1 should be aiming to be an equal (but with the winter season, not a competitor) to US open wheel racing by the end of the decade.

Final (sad) point: the minute A1 (or anyone else) gets close to F1, Bernie & Max will crush them.

They surely did that to Group C

Which car do you think will be quicker over the same track suppose if

Engine :
A1 - 3.4L V8 (650-700bhp)
F1 - 2.4L V8 (750bhp)

Tyres :
A1 - Slick
F1 - Grooved

Which car do you think will be quicker over the same track suppose if


F1. no question.

and i don't think the A1 will ever over take, but it is a great looking series racing at some cool tracks. Saw Zandvoort the other day on SPEED :censored:; first race i've had the pleasure of watching there.

i really like the A1 GP. country vs country. it's great!

That's quite interesting NAC, any sources?

Motorsport enews, page 10
http://enews.mnews.com.au/

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a1ferrari2qk1.jpg

As mentioned it is rumor and possibly should be taken with a pinch of salt, they have been known to be wrong sometimes

thanx NAC :)

Your welcome :)

A1GP could be a big thing for Ferrari.Something that says "Hey,look at us,we've got our own one-make series,who needs F1".And as long as the cars look good and go pretty well,it could prove to be quite a popular series too.

A1GP could be a big thing for Ferrari.Something that says "Hey,look at us,we've got our own one-make series,who needs F1".

Does that mean they'll clear off out of F1 so we don't have to listen to their complaining anymore? ;)

Does that mean they'll clear off out of F1 so we don't have to listen to their complaining anymore? ;)

I doubt it,or at least not for long.People will get fed up of "Team Italia" winning all the time.:)

At least they couldn't accuse other teams of copying their design... :runaway:

Does that mean they'll clear off out of F1 so we don't have to listen to their complaining anymore? ;)

What has there been a complant :?

What was it exactly and have you got a link to it

I meant in general terms rather than anything specific. Although the quote in your signature is quite a good example...

Does that mean they'll clear off out of F1 so we don't have to listen to their complaining anymore? ;)

I dont think so, but I believe this will definitely put Ferrari in a very strong position to indirectly influence the future of F1.

I meant in general terms rather than anything specific. Although the quote in your signature is quite a good example...

I was being fasetious :)

I dont think so, but I believe this will definitely put Ferrari in a very strong position to indirectly influence the future of F1.


I thought that they were already doing rather a fine job in that department?

You may have a point there, Jeremy... ;)