Can someone tell me which of the current Group C/GTP books they would recommend, there's a two volume edition, 'Golden Era', by John Starkey and a couple of IMSA GTP books knocking around.
All are quite expensive, but I'm specifically interested in the cars, rather than race reports.
I understand Mike of Mulsannes Corner is producing a book, which sounds right up my street, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
Speed-King 16 Dec 2007, 22:44 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0760330697/ref=wl_it_dp/002-6181301-6393660?ie=UTF8&coliid=I33KXDEJMO7P1R&colid=2XZCOGFNPR1F7
Looks like Mikes book will appear in February 2008...
Thank, just pre ordered.
Any other recomendations for sportscars in general, i.e. Can Am?
Speed-King 17 Dec 2007, 01:38 No book, but an interesting blog for all those who were born too late:
http://alex62.typepad.com/imsablog/
Maybe you already know it, but I check it once or twice a week for new blog-entries as I find it rather interesting.
skycafe 17 Dec 2007, 02:58 Any other recomendations for sportscars in general, i.e. Can Am?
The Pete Lyons books on Can Am should be good, he covered Can Am during period for Road and Track and Autoweek. I don't believe the books are currently published.
robert
ensign14 17 Dec 2007, 08:41 "Endurance Racing" by David Briggs. Good luck finding it now though...
"Time And Two Seats" by Janos Wimpffen is of course a must.
ss_collins 17 Dec 2007, 17:15 Mikes book if its like the rest of his stuff will be mega
Hugewally 17 Dec 2007, 20:11 The Pete Lyons books on Can Am should be good, he covered Can Am during period for Road and Track and Autoweek. I don't believe the books are currently published.
robert
http://www.petelyons.com/ ;)
Hugewally 17 Dec 2007, 20:14 "Endurance Racing" by David Briggs. Good luck finding it now though...You mean Ian Briggs maybe? http://www.amazon.com/Endurance-Racing-1982-1991-Osprey-Motor/dp/1855322285/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197918795&sr=1-5
ensign14 17 Dec 2007, 20:19 Ian...David...I knew it was something like that.
Hugewally 17 Dec 2007, 20:24 "Time And Two Seats" by Janos Wimpffen is of course a must.Though expensive, it is still very available from multiple sources. It's not about the race cars, its about the races... But, its highly recommended! :)
skycafe 18 Dec 2007, 02:18 http://www.petelyons.com/ ;)
Obrigado senhor!
"Endurance Racing" by David Briggs. Good luck finding it now though...
"Time And Two Seats" by Janos Wimpffen is of course a must.
As is 'Spyders and Silhoutettes'. It does cover the years up to Grp C, but in many ways they are very interesting. It covers the growth of the Grp 5 sihoutettes (although the mody dick 935 is wrongly captioned!) and the 3 litre prototypes that flourished and then faded just as quickly.
Some amazing photos.
(page 313 is the best;) )
MulsanneMike 18 Dec 2007, 13:04 Mikes book if its like the rest of his stuff will be mega
Well let's not get too carried away, the books not out yet!
Matra-simca 18 Dec 2007, 15:49 Can someone tell me which of the current Group C/GTP books they would recommend, there's a two volume edition, 'Golden Era', by John Starkey and a couple of IMSA GTP books knocking around.
All are quite expensive, but I'm specifically interested in the cars, rather than race reports.
I understand Mike of Mulsannes Corner is producing a book, which sounds right up my street, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
Jag
I have a copy of Ian Bamsey's, "Jaguar XJR Group C & GTP Cars; A Technical Appraisal of the V-12 Cars" that was published in 1989, which provides a very detailed account of that period, although unfortunately his book ends with the 1988 season. He also takes a brief technical glimpse at Porsche's 956/962 and Mercedes C 9 racers. This book is long out-of-print but you might find it on the second hand market.... Ian also authored technical appraisals on Porsche's 917 and Ferrari's 312s and 512s; they, too, unfortunately out-of-print as well.
Mr Bamsey started "Race Car Engineering Magazine" over a decade ago and he featured technical analysis on Jaguar's 1990 Le Mans winning XJR as well as Mazda's 1991 4-rotor, which closed the chapter on that epic time.
Todd
stagecoach66 20 Dec 2007, 02:51 Ian Bamsey did another book titled "The Anatomy and Development of the Sports Prototype Racing Car" (Motorbooks International 1991, ISBN: 0-87938-586-3). Does a quick overview from the 1920s to the 1970s, then really focuses on the Group C era. Mostly aerodynamics but includes engine, chassis, and transmission chapters as well. Very readable. If you're a Jaguar fan then Leslie Thurston's "TWR Jaguar Prototype Racers" (2003, ISBN: 0-9541039-1-2) is also pretty good, though more of a survey of the cars and races.
Does anyone own "Golden Era" or "Prototypes"?? Are they worth the investment?
MulsanneMike 20 Dec 2007, 04:36 Ian Bamsey did another book titled "The Anatomy and Development of the Sports Prototype Racing Car" (Motorbooks International 1991, ISBN: 0-87938-586-3). Does a quick overview from the 1920s to the 1970s, then really focuses on the Group C era. Mostly aerodynamics but includes engine, chassis, and transmission chapters as well. Very readable. If you're a Jaguar fan then Leslie Thurston's "TWR Jaguar Prototype Racers" (2003, ISBN: 0-9541039-1-2) is also pretty good, though more of a survey of the cars and races.
Does anyone own "Golden Era" or "Prototypes"?? Are they worth the investment?
I've not heard good things about "Golden Era". "Prototypes" was written by J.A. Martin, my co-writer for "Inside IMSA's GTP Cars". It's nearly impossible to come by these days.
Both "Anatomy and Development" as well as "TWR Jagaur..." are worth having.
benjabulle 22 Dec 2007, 13:49 I've not heard good things about "Golden Era". "Prototypes" was written by J.A. Martin, my co-writer for "Inside IMSA's GTP Cars". It's nearly impossible to come by these days.
Both "Anatomy and Development" as well as "TWR Jagaur..." are worth having.
I agree with Mike, I bought "Golden Era" some weeks ago, fortunately at half the price, not so good. All Bamsey books are a must have and the "Endurance Racing" by Ian Briggs was an excellent surprise.
tlracing 25 Dec 2007, 21:34 "Prototypes" is good, but some marques are better covered by more specific books, eg. Ian Bamsey on Jaguar and Paul Chudecki's 'Aston Martin V8 Race Cars' on Nimrod (including the little-known composite chassised car that was in build when the operation folded) and the AMR-1 & AMR-2.
ss_collins 25 Dec 2007, 22:12 I'll pass these comments on to Ian - I think it'll make him smile. Unfortunatley he's stopped doing books for now to concentrate on RET and doing the odd bit for us.
I swear by Endurance Racing by Ian Briggs, it is fantastic. From what I can tell from flicking through The Golden Era, it is just a slightly thicker version of Endurance Racing.
Being close-ish to Ecurie Ecosse and the Mallock family, I have carried out my own research on the Ecosse C2 cars.
I like Porsche 956/962 by Peter Morgan and Sauber-Mercedes C9 by Ian Bamsey.
Just bought the C9 book and have the 956/962 book on order.
Has anyone bought those Porsche & Jaguar Years books etc. that have reprints of magazine articles and features, are they worth having?
Just bought the C9 book and have the 956/962 book on order.
Has anyone bought those Porsche & Jaguar Years books etc. that have reprints of magazine articles and features, are they worth having? You mean the books by R.M. Clarke? For example this (http://www.amazon.com/LeMans-Porsche-Peugeot-Years-1992-1999/dp/1855205017/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198784562&sr=1-3) book.
I have the Targa Florio book (by Owen instead of Clarke) but I don't really like it. About the Targa Florio aren't many books so it's better than nothing. About Le Mans are much more (and better) books published.
Stephan2738 27 Dec 2007, 23:15 Not so many books (that i know of) about the Nissan Group C and GTP cars, so this might be something for you:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/NISSAN-GTP-and-Group-C-Racecars-Great-book_W0QQitemZ320198227198QQihZ011QQcategoryZ274QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Kind regards,
Stephan
Aysedasi 28 Dec 2007, 12:49 .....(although the mody dick 935 is wrongly captioned!)
Now that sounds vaguely oxymoronic to me, if you'll pardon me for saying so........ :rofl:
MulsanneMike 8 Jan 2008, 18:14 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0760330697/ref=wl_it_dp/002-6181301-6393660?ie=UTF8&coliid=I33KXDEJMO7P1R&colid=2XZCOGFNPR1F7
Looks like Mikes book will appear in February 2008...
Unfortunately I've just recieved word today that there is going to be an additional delay, and a rather significant one at that. The book was supposed to be in the warehouse on January 1. The new warehouse date is now March 7. I'm assuming then that the in store date will be some time in April.
Pete Fenelon 13 Jan 2008, 15:44 Essentials on sports car racing:
You need TATS (and the forthcoming Wimpffen volume); his name is the ultimate stamp of quality. TATS is The Bible, and the photo books are gorgeous. Awaiting the GpC era!
Briggs Endurance Racing 1982-1991. The ugly two-volume John Starkey thing is an expansion of this (more IMSA detail), but... ick, it's not pretty. The Briggs book is superb, although the focus is more on Group C than IMSA.
Michael Cotton's Directory of World Sports Cars is a useful little handbook if you can find a copy.
A cheapie at the time but now quite a sought-after book is Super Sports: The 220mph Le Mans Cars - although not exclusively about Group C (it covers large-capacity rear-engined coupes at Le Mans from the mid-60s on) it has some superb pics and in-depth technical articles.
There are several good 962 books, a good bargain is the Brooklands compilation on the 917, 934/5 and 962. There is loads of relevant material in Karl Ludvigsen's Porsche: Excellence Was Expected too.
Pritchard's Aston Martin: A Racing History has a decent amount about EMKA, Nimrod, Cheetah and the AMRs (as well as a lot about what went before and came after).
Pete Fenelon 13 Jan 2008, 15:47 I like Porsche 956/962 by Peter Morgan and Sauber-Mercedes C9 by Ian Bamsey.
The latter was available for a tenner in a bookshop near me the other day. Good but not sparkling, but with loads of technical insight.
Peter Morgan is very good on Porsche; Porsche in Motorsport is as good an overview as you'll find of some of the key cars and people, and it's nicely illustrated and well-priced too.
Pete Fenelon 13 Jan 2008, 15:49 Jag
Mr Bamsey started "Race Car Engineering Magazine" over a decade ago and he featured technical analysis on Jaguar's 1990 Le Mans winning XJR as well as Mazda's 1991 4-rotor, which closed the chapter on that epic time.
Todd
For engine stuff, International Race Engine Directory and History of the Turbocharged Racing Car have quite a lot of good material on GpC/IMSA engines - although both have material on F1 as well.
stagecoach66 13 Jan 2008, 16:02 Essentials on sports car racing:
You need TATS (and the forthcoming Wimpffen volume); his name is the ultimate stamp of quality. TATS is The Bible, and the photo books are gorgeous. Awaiting the GpC era!
TATS is still available new from the David Bull Publishing website for $295. The photo books are amazing... you could frame just about every photo on every page...
http://www.bullpublishing.com/
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