GP2 Istanbul - Weekend Thread

Ok then, pretty difficult to gauge the form after just one round, but Grosjean/ART, Parente/Super Nova and Kobayashi/DAMS seemed to be the main men with Pantano/RE (ER HERM... SORRY!), Senna/I-Sport and a few others not far off.

So what do we think will happen in Turkey?

ART and I-Sport have been good here in the past but it's heartening to see category/level stalwarts DAMS and Super Nova coming back into the picture.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67236
Soucek doing really great, piquet duo again very fast. Looking forward this weekend :)

Pantano with Campos?

Pantano with Campos?

No , Pantano with Racing Engineering

:( ho pin tung should be doing better this time in turkey.

Pantano on pole, Zuber second, Carroll great 3 place ahead of Grosjean and Senna. Buemi 16, Parente 21.

1 G. Pantano Racing Engineering 1:32.659
2 A. Zuber Piquet Sports 1:32.913
3 A. Carroll FMS International 1:33.141
4 R. Grosjean ART Grand Prix 1:33.248
5 B. Senna iSport International 1:33.449
6 P. Maldonado Piquet Sports 1:33.451
7 K. Chandhok iSport International 1:33.703
8 J. Villa Racing Engineering 1:33.813
9 D. Valsecchi Durango 1:33.841
10 V. Petrov Campos 1:33.896
11 J. d`Ambrosio DAMS 1:33.948
12 B. Hanley Campos 1:33.957
13 A. Valles BCN Competicion 1:34.006
14 A. Soucek Super Nova International 1:34.064
15 M. Conway Trident Racing 1:34.170
16 S. Buemi Trust Team Arden 1:34.173
17 Y. Buurman Trust Team Arden 1:34.186
18 L. Filippi ART Grand Prix 1:34.366
19 H. Tung Trident Racing 1:34.506
20 D. Nunes DPR 1:34.617
21 A. Parente Super Nova International 1:34.620
22 K. Kobayashi DAMS 1:34.667
23 A. Valerio Durango 1:34.678
24 Roldan Rodriguez FMS International 1:34.698
25 M. Pavlovic BCN Competicion 1:35.398
26 G. Ricci DPR 1:35.878

Great for Pantano - and very very good for Carroll. He's showing exactly why he should be on the GP2 grid.

Heard Valsecchi had a very bad crash at the end of the session - took a long time to get him out of the car because he became enveloped in the tyres. Parente, Buemi and Kobayashi are a bit off form - as is Filippi.... Bit harder for rookies this weekend I suppose, although Grosjean and Valsecchi are up there.

Carroll, after only 1 hour in the car, takes 3rd? Amazing. :)

Valsecchi had a huge crash at the end of the back straight - he just went straight and didn't seem to brake - and was buried deep in the tyre wall. He is fine, nothing broken, but will be out for the weekend on medical advice. Shame, as he was looking handy in 9th.

Filippi's sidepod cover came lose on his second set of tyres so he had to come in, he was pulled into scrutineering for five minutes, and lost his laps. He is looking super upset at the moment, as he was at the sharp end in the first half of qualy (after going totally the wrong way in set up in free practice).

Hanley: +10 for avoidable accident in Barcelona
Valerio: +5 for extra lap after end of free practice
Kobayashi: +5 for extra lap after end of free practice

5 other drivers up to the stewards for not slowing under yellow at the start of qualy: no news yet.

Nunes, Valerio, Pavlovic, Soucek, Conway: +5 on grid for failing to sufficiently slow for yellow flags in qualifying.

That's a good grid yes?
Bir spread out timewise eh?

About half the grid have been sent to the back :)

By my calculations Parente moves up to 16th on the grid.

Hasn't really been mentioned, but Valles 13th (11th once Valsecchi and Hanley are taken out of equation) on his first outing for BCN is pretty good. When was the last time we saw a BCN car qualify that high? (End of 2006 to answer my own question :P)

About half the grid have been sent to the back :)
Does that substantially increase the possibility of carnage on the opening lap?

Yes good point about Valles OJB, says something about the guy's ability. However he was one of my dark horses for the title at FMSI, but one would think his chances have gone with BCN......

Wonderif Parente can make progres in the race. Shame also for new teammate Soucek that he was penalised as he seems to be competitive.

Not wishing anything bad against Bakkerud, but I hope Soucek gets a couple of races with Super Nova to show what he is capable of and remind people what they are missing

After all the penalties have been applied, this is how it looks: Today's grid:

Pos Driver Team
1. Giorgio Pantano Racing Engineering
2. Andreas Zuber Piquet Sports
3. Adam Carroll FMS International
4. Romain Grosjean ART Grand Prix
5. Bruno Senna iSport International
6. Pastor Maldonado Piquet Sports
7. Karun Chandhok iSport International
8. Javier Villa Racing Engineering
9. Vitaly Petrov Campos Team
10. J.D'Ambrosio DAMS
11. Adrián Valles BCN Competicion
12. Sébastien Buemi Trust Team Arden
13. Yelmer Buurman Trust Team Arden
14. Luca Filippi ART Grand Prix
15. Ho-Pin Tung Trident Racing
16. Andy Soucek Super Nova Racing
17. Mike Conway Trident Racing
18. Álvaro Parente Super Nova Racing
19. Benjamin Hanley Campos Team
20. Roldán Rodriguez FMS International
21. Giacomo Ricci DPR
22. Kamui Kobayashi DAMS
23. Diego Nunes DPR
24. Alberto Valerio Durango
25. Milos Pavlovic BCN Competicion

Well done Pantano and Racing Engineering!

Well done Pantano and Racing Engineering!

Yes !!!!!!!!!! :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate:

Race 1

1 – Giorgio Pantano – Racing Engineering – 34 Laps 56'51''183
2 – Romain Grosjean – ART - 1''792
3 – Andreas Zuber – Piquet - 2'252
4 – Karun Chandhok – Isport - 11''321
5 – Vitaly Petrov – Campos - 12''474
6 – Sebastien Buemi – Arden - 13''773
7 – Javier Villa – Racing Engineering - 14''894
8 – Adam Carroll – FMSI - 16''675
9 – Mike Conway – Trident - 17''743
10 – Adrian Valles – BCN - 19''012
11 – Ho Pin Tung – Trident - 20''345
12 – Roldan Rodriguez – FMSI - 21''238
13 – Diego Nunes – DPR - 22''507
14 – Yelmer Buurman - 23''294
15 – Bruno Senna – Isport - 23''765
16 – Luca Filippi – ART - 1 Lap
17 – Ben Hanley – Campos – 1 Lap
18 – Alberto Valerio – Durango – 2 Laps
19 – Andy Soucek – Super Nova – 3 Laps

Retired

Jerome D'Ambrosio
Pastor Maldonado
Milos Pavlovic
Giacomo Ricci
AlvaroParente
Kamui Kobayashi

Fastest Lap

Andreas Zuber 1'33''482

Indeed, congratulations to RE and Pantano!

New provisional championship looks like this:
1 Giorgio Pantano Racing Engineering 21
2 Andreas Zuber Piquet Sports 13
3 Romain Grosjean ART Grand Prix 12
4 Alvaro Parente Super Nova Racing 11
5 Bruno Senna iSport International 11
6 Sébastien Buemi Trust Team Arden 10
7 Kamui Kobayashi DAMS 8
8 Vitaly Petrov Barwa International Campos Tea... 7
9 Karun Chandhok iSport International 5
10 Javier Villa Racing Engineering 3
11 Davide Valsecchi Durango 2
12 Pastor Maldonado Piquet Sports 2
13 Adam Carroll FMS International 1

Bruno Senna is out of Race 2, after colliding with a dog. There was at leat two dogs on the track, bringing out the saftey car.

I hope Turkey gets a massive fine for this, if not lose thier GP.

I've got very little ITV4 signal today (they seem to be unwilling to transmit with more power than an asthmatic ant), so finding it nigh on impossible to follow - stuttering sound for minutes on end to hear about 5 seconds of an interview with Senna's team boss talking about the dog incident. Ridiculous! How the hell did they even get into the circuit, let alone onto the track?!

Yeah, that was a bit of a joke.

Paul Jackson mentioned iSport getting compensated for the damage to the car, and I don't think he is unjustified in mentioning that!

Congratulations to the Top 3, not too bad a race - seen better, but seen worse!

Dogs on tracks is definitely not the thing Turkish GP needed keeping in mind the scandal at the podium ceremony in F1.

A better race today, the best of the season so far, but it does look like these cars are more difficult to overtake than the last generation.

Grosjean's still favourite for the title, but Senna looks like he has the pace if not the luck, and Pantano should mount a consistent challenge. Hopefully Carroll will have better luck in Monte Carlo.

I doubt that the circuit will face a fine for the stray dogs. I believe a Mr B. Ecclestone owns the lease. I think he has connections...

Oh, sounds like Grosjean might face a penalty for overtaking under yellow flags.

Good race today, Grosjean loked in a class of his own after overtaking Petrov (admittedly, it may have been under yellows).

Heartbreak for young Bruno - up to 6th from 15th on the grid then he hits a dog. That never should have happened.

I've got very little ITV4 signal today (they seem to be unwilling to transmit with more power than an asthmatic ant), so finding it nigh on impossible to follow - stuttering sound for minutes on end to hear about 5 seconds of an interview with Senna's team boss talking about the dog incident. Ridiculous! How the hell did they even get into the circuit, let alone onto the track?!

I'm sure they are transmitting at the maximum power allowed by the DTI for that frequency.

Perhaps you just need a new aerial.

Race 2

1. Romain Grosjean ART Grand Prix 41:53.377
2. Vitaly Petrov Campos Team + 8.019
3. Sebastien Buemi Arden + 8.447
4. Giorgio Pantano Racing Engineering + 9.897
5. Mike Conway Trident Racing + 11.508
6. Benjamin Hanley Campos Team + 12.847
7. Alberto Valerio Durango + 14.150
8. Alvaro Parente Super Nova Racing + 16.329
9. Kamui Kobayashi DAMS + 17.533
10. Diego Nunes DPR + 24.392
11. Giacomo Ricci DPR + 24.850
12. Karun Chandhok iSport International + 25.743
13. Roldan Rodriguez FMS International + 26.094
14. Luca Filippi ART Grand Prix + 26.450
15. Javier Villa Racing Engineering + 27.449
16. Milos Pavlovic BCN Competicion +1:24.665

Retirements

Bruno Senna iSport International 11
Adam Carroll FMS International 0
Andreas Zuber Piquet Sports 0
Adrian Valles BCN Competicion 0
Ho-Pin Tung Trident Racing 0
Yelmer Buurman Team Arden 0
Andy Soucek Super Nova Racing 0
Jerome D'Ambrosio DAMS 0
Pastor Maldonado Piquet Sports 0

Heartbreak for young Bruno - up to 6th from 15th on the grid then he hits a dog. That never should have happened.
Poor Bruno... That man has so bad luck that might move several persons to suspect that someone wants to perjudicate him deliberately.
Take it as a suspect, only...

As has been pointed out nothing will be made of the dog incident - Bernie will slip Paul Jackson a few quid on the grounds that he doesn't say anymore and that will be that. What an absolute disgrace though, imagine that happening at Silverstone? Building a new pit complex would become the least of Damon's worries!

Just thankful that Bruno is OK, it must have been a massive shock to his system. A dog on the circuit is not something your trained to encounter!

And what if someone could put that dog into the circuit???

And what if someone could put that dog into the circuit???

1) there were two dogs
2) I don't think a dog was deliberately in front of Bruno's car
3) both dogs were serious risks for all drivers on track and if I am not wrong, there were some cars passing just before. those, however, still had a chance to avoid the crash.

No doubt, it's a shame something like this happened and everyone feels sorry for Bruno. But imo such conspiracy theories go a bit too far as I see no way someone could take a dog and "plan" to have that dog destroy Bruno's race.

But now is the dog. Previous races were a problem at pitstop, a stupid disqualification, a technical fail... too many complications to consider all them just pure "bad luck".

Those two dogs were completely on different sides of the circuit. Senna hit one on the longest straight, while another was somewhere around turn 5 I think.

Two dogs... and Bruno Senna has the car number 2. How sarcastic!

Senna only has bad luck , don´t see conspiracy theorie.

There's no conspiracy theory to be had here. Anyone could have hit the dog, but with the luck that he has it was bound to be Senna.

The shame of it is that Bruno has great pace this year and I'm sure he will get some good results soon, but probably not the title.

Aha... and the pitstop matter, because of that Senna was disqualified? That also was "bad luck"??? How curious.

Aha... and the pitstop matter, because of that Senna was disqualified? That also was "bad luck"??? How curious.

Wasn't Filippi disqualified as well? How lucky was he during the last race weekends?

Turkey is full of stray dogs. I couldn't believe that it happen earlier then it did.

And what if someone could put that dog into the circuit???
Yeah....and perhaps it was fitted with a homing device to track Bruno's car.......

And what if someone could put that dog into the circuit???

And who might be that SOMEONE? If you are so sure that SOMEONE has placed the dog on Senna's way why don't u give us names? That way we might believe your theory......

Missed both races can't believe it!!

As i'm very much in the 'need to know' category can you guys please provide some more info about who did what in the race such as good and bad drives, overtakes, idiocy etc.. so I can build up a picture of the meeting until ITV4 put the highlights up on ITV replay or whatever it's called.

On the development of the thread, i'm noticing a bit of over the top sarcasm and unjustified theorising about animals on the track and how they came to be there etc. Please stop this now because if it continues i'll have to consider closing the thread!

Thanks folks.

A shame for Bruno (and the dog). Unfortunately, you can't always legislate fully for this sort of freak occurence. We should just look at what happened to Alan Stacey and Cristiano Da Matta and be thankful that Bruno's okay.

Nicely put sir. ;)

Missed both races can't believe it!!

As i'm very much in the 'need to know' category can you guys please provide some more info about who did what in the race such as good and bad drives, overtakes, idiocy etc.. so I can build up a picture of the meeting until ITV4 put the highlights up on ITV replay or whatever it's called.

On the development of the thread, i'm noticing a bit of over the top sarcasm and unjustified theorising about animals on the track and how they came to be there etc. Please stop this now because if it continues i'll have to consider closing the thread!

Thanks folks.

If you have bitorrent or azaureus or torrent client , you can download the two races and the qualifying.

I thought the commentators' comments criticising the marshals for not "clearing the dogs" were a bit out of order. What do they want - people out there trying to chase the animals off the track with the cars still at racing speed? What is the likely outcome of that, then? Better to hit a dog than a person, but obviously better to do neither.

By the way, Senna probably had the "better" of it (if that is how you can describe it) - the black and white dog didn't look too big, but the brown dog looked the size of a small donkey.

I went to the Austrian F1 in 1987 and Stefan Johanssen hit a deer. At least when Eddie Irvine hit the hare at Silverstone it was only a baby one (but still made a heck of a mess). You cannot legislate for wild animals.

Thank god this dog thing didn't happen at Silverstone, lest it be struck off the calendar instantaneously with the announcement made before the race had even finished.

Wild animals (or wild priests or ex-Mercedes workers!) can enter any track anytime. There is no reason to remove a race from calendar because of this. The only one to blame was the dog.

Thank god this dog thing didn't happen at Silverstone,

If this problem happen at Silverstone , Monza , Spa or an European circuit . . . . But this circuit is property of Ecclestone.

A shame for Bruno (and the dog).True, but I have never seen Bruno as angy as that. Not even when Salvador Duran flicked him into a 150mph roll at Snetterton in British F3. I think he was all too aware how much more serious the incident could have been. Unfortunately, you can't always legislate fully for this sort of freak occurence.Sorry, but I disagree with that. There is no excuse for allowing dogs to get onto the circuit these days, particularly at an F1 meeting. Things very different in the 1960s, but that was 40 years ago.

I think Bruno was just in shock, that's why he went a bit crazy. Think about it , when a normal road car driver sees an animal go under their car at 40mph it can be a bit distressing. Hitting one at 140mph, seeing it explode in front of your face (probably being sprayed with it's blood) and ripping of a wheel, his reaction was prety understandable ;)

(sorry for being a bit graphic :p )

Anyway back to GP2, the new car is definitely not as good as the old one for overtaking, it seems that only the really fast guy's can overtake successfully (i.e. Grosjean, Senna). It seemed to me that there was nearly as much overtaking in the F1 race today as in the GP2 races :eek:. GP2 is still good though, it just not the same as it used to be...

@chunterer, I also recommend downloading the races and qualifying. The past two qualifying sessions have been more interesting then the races, this will probably be the same at Monaco. I will pm you tomorow with a good site :)

Now looking forward to Monaco. For people in the UK, Friday's feature race will be shown as live on ITV4 before F1 qualifying, then the sprint race is live (on ITV4) after that.

There is no excuse for allowing dogs to get onto the circuit these days, particularly at an F1 meeting. Things very different in the 1960s, but that was 40 years ago.

You're right of course, but as we see at Interlagos every year, stopping stray dogs from entering a circuit is not always possible.

I seem to recall that Schumacher came close to wiping out some unfortunate Sao Paulo mutt and ended up adopting it.

Missed both races can't believe it!!I know how you feel! I mised both the races in Spain because I was away, but I could still have recorded them. Old habits die hard. I watched this weekend's Saturday race live but thought I'd record the Sunday race and went looking for it on Eurosport! Talk about déja vu.

I quite like the ITV4 coverage. The Charlie girl is of the obligatory type, but at least she seems to have been well briefed. I suppose I'd prefer Amanda Stretton, but there you are. Chris Goodwin is excellent and I'm growing to like David Croft, although at the moment I'd say you can tell his background is in radio. A picture paints a thousand words etc.

The racing is much as before, but it does seem to be more difficult to overtake in the new cars. They've gone for a bit more aero, which is a shame. The Sunday race seems to be the more manic.

Pantano is so experienced now. 62 races in GP2. Grosjean is obviously a star of the future. Once he'd overtaken Petrov in the sprint race he just scampered off into the distance. Personally, I'm just waiting for the cards to fall right for Bruno. He was regularly setting fastest laps in both races.

Another Grosjean display on Sunday, he made some great passes. We never used to hear much about GP2 cars struggling in turbulent air, it's a shame there's now that problem. ITV's coverage is quite decent actually, though I do miss Martin and Gareth. Pronunciation is annoying at times though... are they pronouncing "Parente" correctly? Doesn't seem like it to me but I really have no idea.

I quite like the ITV4 coverage. The Charlie girl is of the obligatory type, but at least she seems to have been well briefed. I suppose I'd prefer Amanda Stretton, but there you are. Chris Goodwin is excellent and I'm growing to like David Croft, although at the moment I'd say you can tell his background is in radio. A picture paints a thousand words etc.
You mean the girl who watched Senna drive in and then asked Paul Jackson live on television "Is there much damage on the car, Paul?"

Goodwin is quite knowledgeable, but I get annoyed by his constant references to the disadvantages suffered by Bruno: we all know his life story Chris, but it sounds disingenuous coming from the mouth of someone who works with him. Refering to Bruno as inexperienced in comparison to Parente (who was making his debut in front of the one year GP2 veteran) was wrong, as is painting him as the only man in the paddock to suffer any bad luck.

Congrats to Racing Engineering, how's that for a showing, well done. The cars did look harder to get around than last year but still sweet for lack of a better word. Why Zuber didn't pit, under local yellow or the SC period, is a bit of a head scratcher. Looking forward to Monaco.

And, those dogs better have been strays or good grief.

The man who put the GP into GP2...Giorgio Pantano. :laugh:

Congratulations to RE for leading both championships, bet Alfonso and his crew are quite happy!

Pronunciation is annoying at times though... are they pronouncing "Parente" correctly? Doesn't seem like it to me but I really have no idea.Alvaro's name is one of the most difficult to pronounce, not least because proper Portuguese is pronounced differently from the way the Brazilians speak it. Less harsh is the way he described it to me. The last syllable of Alvaro isn't really 'oh', it's more like 'ooh'. The 'e' at the end of Parente is indeed silent, but you're supposed to let the 't' sort of hang in the air. Sorry, I can't really describe it better than that.You mean the girl who watched Senna drive in and then asked Paul Jackson live on television "Is there much damage on the car, Paul?"Er, yes, I had forgotten that foot-in-mouth moment, although I did wince at the time. ;) Goodwin is quite knowledgeable, but I get annoyed by his constant references to the disadvantages suffered by Bruno: we all know his life story Chris, but it sounds disingenuous coming from the mouth of someone who works with him. Refering to Bruno as inexperienced in comparison to Parente (who was making his debut in front of the one year GP2 veteran) was wrong, as is painting him as the only man in the paddock to suffer any bad luck.He probably needs to take a leaf out of Martin Brundle's book there. We don't get DC praised to the skies all the time. Anyway, what does Goodwin actually do for Senna?

[quote=Gaz]What an absolute disgrace though, imagine that happening at Silverstone? Building a new pit complex would become the least of Damon's worries!
[quote]

Maybe he should hire some to chase the hares away..? ;)

Seriously though - conspiracy theories...? Come on...

Some thoughts about the dog incident that were playing on my mind after I watched back the coverage last night.... no conspiracy theories here though.

But what exactly was the thinking behind the delay in either a) discovering there were stupid mutts on the circuit or b)Senna hitting one of them; and the safety car seeming to be deployed.

One could say that no-one in charge maybe knew about it.

But you'd be wrong - bear in mind at least one cameraman knew about the dog before anyone hit it and I say that because the unfortunate camera man who viewed the Senna incident had been tracking the dog for, at the very least a good 5 seconds before the collision. So he'd have reported it surely to his director who surely would have reported to race control.

And that's before you consider whether any stewards, marshals or observers with a radio might have seen something worthy of screaming a warning to race control.

Play it back sometime and you discover that the safety car was only deployed when Senna was vocally heard mentioning he hit a dog. Was that really the first race control knew about it?? Find it hard to believe at the top level of the sport.

Somehow in the time gap between the collision and the safety car being deployed, there was time to edit together enough frames of the replay for the whole world to see that a dog had been hit but not enough to be gruesome.

Like i say - just some thoughts but I just don't understand what took so long when information surely would have been available.

Yeah, I agree that it took waaaaaaayyyyy too long for the safety car to be deployed especially because there were waved yellows so it's not like race control didn't have time to react. Makes this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67375 seem sort of counter-intuitive...

But what exactly was the thinking behind the delay in either a) discovering there were stupid mutts on the circuit or b)Senna hitting one of them; and the safety car seeming to be deployed.

One could say that no-one in charge maybe knew about it.

But you'd be wrong - bear in mind at least one cameraman knew about the dog before anyone hit it and I say that because the unfortunate camera man who viewed the Senna incident had been tracking the dog for, at the very least a good 5 seconds before the collision. So he'd have reported it surely to his director who surely would have reported to race control.
Actually that's not quite right: the first time we knew there was a problem was when the camera man in the final complex saw Senna limping and zoomed in, and when he came past us everyone in the pitlane thought 'who has he hit?' When he got out and waved his hands about we thought he must have been mad at himself for messing up a great drive, and could work out why he seemed mad at Jacko.

Then you had Grosjean get inside Petrov at the end of the rear straight, and the monitor showed a yellow flag colouring but not where it was for (hence the brief belief that he may have made the move under yellow, which was later refuted). At that stage the producer was obviously looking through the tapes for footage of Senna's incident.

Then you had a dog running around at turn four or five by itself, and an instant SC board shown.

Then the producer found the footage of the incident and ran it, pressing pause on the tape just before the moment of impact (the image jumped slightly a little after the pause, as though someone moved their finger on the button).

Then the image cut to the safety car itself, then back to the pits (I think) to see Bruno waddling off.

Then the producer found the footage of the incident and ran it, pressing pause on the tape just before the moment of impact (the image jumped slightly a little after the pause, as though someone moved their finger on the button).I wasn't really commenting on the coverage of the incident actually but can't fault anything you say. I do disagree with the above though - there is no way that any producer would take a chance on playing out the replay "as is" and hoping he'd pause at the right frame. It had to have been prepared that way, and actually I'm impressed at the speed in which it was done. Showing the replay at all could be argued to be a touch unecessary perhaps but it was handled well.

My point was about the on-track handling of the incident and that surely Race Control must have known about the incident before Senna hit white stupid mutt and therefore why wasn't there more instant action taken - and even after then what took so long for the SC.

Late to the party as always! I was away at Spa when the race was on and thanks to a busy week, I've only just got round to watching the races. I was delighted to see Adam Carroll back in a GP2 car however temporary. It was disappointing to see him drop out of race two without really showing what he could do.

Good to see Conway and Hanley have some points on the board. I'm sure Blundell as happy to have his man on front of the cameras. Race 2 was fairly manic.

I'm sure a few drivers are still scratching their heads after the races, the likes of Fillipi, Buurman, Maldonado, Kobayashi, Tung, the list goes on and on.

What is going on at DPR and BCN? Is Backerud's back ever going to stop bothering him?