No Dogs Allowed !!!

My fellow ten tenners,

I start this thread in my reaction on the apalling experience I had at the recent Spa 24hrs.
As ever a great venue to be at,great race,lots of spectacle and many different nationalities who mingle as a big bunch of friends.

However,when we visited the old main grandstand during the night(which is probably the spot were the screams of the cars are the most deafening),a man and two young boys entered the grandstand as well,and immediatly went for the frontrow and the fencing to see and hear the cars best. The thing which infuriated me though,was that he also brought his small white dog with him !
The little creature was absolutly terrified at every car passing it within say,20 feet of were this sadist was standing.
I'm sorry to say that this was not the only dog I've seen at the track. There was even a selfish "animalfriend" who himselve used earplugs,but not his dog !:censored:

To me and many true animal friends,it's obvious that dogs and Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT's or Aston DBR9's don't mix,it seems however,that quite a number of people are just to ignorend or dumb to think the same.
Therefore I want to call upon all of you forum members to help find a way to actually ban all dogs from within the confines of racetracks.

It's nothing more then downright animal cruelty.

Hear hear!!

The poor creatures must really have suffered :(

I agree 100%. Road Atlanta has a no pets allowed policy. Leave Spot at home!

I agree 100%. Road Atlanta has a no pets allowed policy. Leave Spot at home!

Aha,there we go. So if it's possible at one track,it's possible at the rest as well,I'd say.

Maybe some sort of e-mail petition to the right organisation would help to get this ball rolling?

I think most circuits in the UK, i think pets are banned

As far as I'm aware all animals are banned from UK motorsports events.
Apart from scaring the dogs/animals just look what happened at the GP2 race in May at Turkey. Sadly the dog lost it's life but luckily a driver didn't, could so easily have.

Col

You can take dogs into Lydden but tha's bout the only track in the UK that allows them. As for taking them to a GT meeting the owners need a good slapping, do they not realise how sensitive a dog's hearing is.

Ridiculous!

Absolutely ridiculous!

You can take dogs into Lydden but tha's bout the only track in the UK that allows them. As for taking them to a GT meeting the owners need a good slapping, do they not realise how sensitive a dog's hearing is.



That really surprised me Falcie,I thought the ban was nationwide in the UK,I think it should be anyway,it's unfair on the animal.It always has been allowed in Europe.I remember a few years ago, there was a guy carrying his pet Fox in the paddock at Spa.

Aha,there we go. So if it's possible at one track,it's possible at the rest as well,I'd say.

Maybe some sort of e-mail petition to the right organisation would help to get this ball rolling?

You start it , I'll sign it .....

Its not fair to any animal . If that was a horse , he wouldnt have brought it cuz the horse would have done something about it !!! lol ..... last seen heading into the sunset like John Wayne .

It is a "normal" thing at Spa (or Zolder for that matter) to bring dogs. Usually they aren't even kept on a lead.
If you tell those people it would be better to leave the animals at home next time or at least on a lead, they start insulting you in the way like " I can't leave my poor dog alone all day, who do you think you are?"

After that I usually tell them that if their dog somehow makes it beyond the fence at my post, I WILL kill it without a problem. Most of the times this remark helps.
And no, I wouldn't like to do it, but i will do it if needed.

There should be a total ban on animals anyhow at any motorsport event.

What about the mad men with their quads and bikes at Spa?

100% agree with this, I have had dogs all my life, great animals but bringing them to a motorsport meeting is just plain stupidity upon the owners behalf.

Yeah, i was shocked to see dogs at Spa a couple of years ago, was even more horrified when i trod in a huge turd while checking out the qualifying times for the belcar

What about the mad men with their quads and bikes at Spa?

Nothing wrong with quads & bikes ..... its the (some) pricks driving them thats the issue . They shouldnt be banned . Why should others suffer cuz of a few self centered pricks ?

Lets not get carried away on this thread ..... next the talk will be to stop alcohol cuz someone drank too much or you cant smoke at a race track !!! :rolleyes:

Yeah, i was shocked to see dogs at Spa a couple of years ago, was even more horrified when i trod in a huge turd while checking out the qualifying times for the belcar


I did that a few years ago at Le Mans ..... only trouble was it was a human one !!! ...

Ban the *******s I say !!! ... :rofl:

Dogs are indeed allowed at Lydden but must be kept on a lead. Not likely to have Astons and Lambos at Lydden though to be fair...

A dog that's scared of a Ford Fiesta needs a talking to ;)

however inappropriate it may be to take some dogs to some tracks at certain times, why do we need to go all heavy-handed and propose a ban? Surely there is sufficient legislation and rules to cover any current abuses; I personally know of one racer - dutch as it happens - who takes his campervan / trailer / racecar / wife / dog entourage to meetings for the whole weekend. This little animal spends an apparent happy weekend in the paddock being made a fuss of by all and sundry. He is well-behaved, often walked, never off the (long) lead and shows no signs of fright or fear.

MGDavid Fair comment but as always not everybody thinks or behaves like the Dutch guy. I was a bit wary of a couple of rockwilders at Spa in the pits as they weren't on leads. I am an animal lover but I think you have to draw the line somewhere as dogs are not all the same and behave completely differently under the same circumstances. I wouldn't want to be the one that decides what type of dog could or couldn't be allowed in so I would have to plug for a complete ban.

And I have some very good German friends who take thier Alsation to every race .The dog is perfectly happy,having everyone make a fuss of her,but that dog has been to quite a few meetings.

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In the interests of safety, animals should not be admitted to Race, Speed or Kart venues, but if present they must be secured inside a vehicle whenever practice or competition is taking place.

So it's up to the venue operators.

Regularly see dogs out with rally marshals. Safely controlled and kept in car/campervan when cars are about.

Jim

WELL SAID, GTFOUR! too many times...

I agree 100%. Road Atlanta has a no pets allowed policy. Leave Spot at home!

unfortunately, stupid people don't always follow the rules. i've seen several dogs at road ATL and will see at least one or two come OCT.

Dogs should be banned at race circuits.Apart from the fear that they may get loose and wander on to the circuit or get run over in the paddock there is also the poop that seems to appear.Trouble is most dog owners assume everyone else loves them, circuits are for cars not dogs surely they wont die if left at home for a day

by that theory, all dogs should be banned from everywhere. i was delayed in my return from spa by a dog loose on the motorway that was evading capture by the police...

i think it's fine to have dogs at the circuit so long as the dogs are happy with the noise and on a lead at all times. some are, some aren't - owners just don't know how to recognise the signs their dog isn't enjoying the experience.

On a motorway is owners stupidity if you want to take your dog out for the day go to a park

There were dogs at Combe on the weekend which surprised me..

Even with a 'No dogs policy' you'll still get idiots who think it's ok to bring them and leave them in the car. every year for as long as i can remember at the Air Tattoo at Fairford there's a tannoy announcement calling some feckless moron back to their car in which they have left their poor dog. As it's in July it's usually boiling hot plus with a few B1 bombers flying past it's way noisier than most race meets.

wqell credit where credit's due - the MSA have it absolutely right going by the above quote from the book - recommendation not ban, all that's left to do is to encourage common sense not drive it away.

Even with a 'No dogs policy' you'll still get idiots who think it's ok to bring them and leave them in the car. every year for as long as i can remember at the Air Tattoo at Fairford there's a tannoy announcement calling some feckless moron back to their car in which they have left their poor dog. As it's in July it's usually boiling hot plus with a few B1 bombers flying past it's way noisier than most race meets.

I remember a few years back at Donington where a dog had been left in a car in blazing sunshine[yes it does sometimes happen there!].It was not in too good condition until the window broke and the dog taken out and dowsed in water.!!

MGDavid Fair comment but as always not everybody thinks or behaves like the Dutch guy. I was a bit wary of a couple of rockwilders at Spa in the pits as they weren't on leads. I am an animal lover but I think you have to draw the line somewhere as dogs are not all the same and behave completely differently under the same circumstances. I wouldn't want to be the one that decides what type of dog could or couldn't be allowed in so I would have to plug for a complete ban.

As far as hearing goes,all dogs are the same(except for some really old and deaf smooches then). If you read my story thouroughly,you'd notice that I also described the exact location were this moron dragged his dog to.
The old main grandstand at Spa is right across the old pitbox complex. It's basically nothing less then one big old concrete channel thrue which the cars pass with well over 130mph,right in the top of their rpm band.
The Astons and Masers sounded earpearcing allready,but the Lambo topped the lot by mimicking a chainsaw cutting through the skull quite well.

Anyone how exposes a dogs sensitive ears to that kind of aural attack is nothing more then a downright sadist or has only two active braincells...

Oh and erm,the name is "GTfour" :gent:

Don't hear me wrong here guys(and galls) I'm all against the avalanche of legislation of late,but for some ignorent and a-social folk it's the only way to protect their dogs. In my opinion,one should have to get a "doglicense" for at the moment every poser can get a dog to show of or to kick around without anyone questioning the owner...

If it's not good for the dogs is it good for the kids ?
Ban the dogs, cats, kids and fox in the wood !
Isn't better to limit the cars noise ?

Or maybe we should all race nice quiet electric cars pah! race cars are ment to be noisy and smelly.You go to meetings to watch or take part in racing not to have a quiet day out with your dogs.

If it's not good for the dogs is it good for the kids ?
Ban the dogs, cats, kids and fox in the wood !
Isn't better to limit the cars noise ?

Limit the cars noise? Were are you from? Some leftish antiracecar environmentalist movement? READ my text! A fox would never be so dumb as to enter a concrete grandstand,my dear boy.:rolleyes:

As for children,these are at the mercy of their parents wisdom and that's why one sees most young kids with hearing protection when visiting noisy racemeetings.

As for children,these are at the mercy of their parents wisdom and that's why one sees most young kids with hearing protection when visiting noisy racemeetings.
Mmmmm.... http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thinking.gif

Back in a bit, just off to the Dragon's Den to show my "Dog Muff" (TM)

Mmmmm.... http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/images/smilies/thinking.gif

Back in a bit, just off to the Dragon's Den to show my "Dog Muff" (TM)


Should that not read "Ear Defenders"?:)

While the MSA doesn't ban dogs, most circuits do, as has been said above.

Silverstone, for example, allows guide dogs for some meetings.

Why am I getting worrying visions of "Animal Lovers" and "Dog Muffs"?????????????

Why am I getting worrying visions of "Animal Lovers" and "Dog Muffs"?????????????


No idea Tim.:rofl:

Silverstone, for example, allows guide dogs for some meetings.

Would I need an extra seat in the racer for it ! :rofl:

If it's not good for the dogs is it good for the kids ?
Ban the dogs, cats, kids and fox in the wood !
Isn't better to limit the cars noise ?

Somebody once said that common sence is merely the set of prejudices gained by the age of 18. I think this is bourne out by this discussion.

Think it through rather than just using so called common sence. It's not obvious to some dog owners that motor racing and dogs don't mix. So where ever possible it needs to be either banned, or where not possible (for instance, in places where there is a public right of way across the venue) make it clear what the problem is.

Contrary to "common sense" electric cars are not better for the environment or better/safer on the road. With current technology, you have to burn more fossil fuels to power an electric car than you do to propel an internal combustion car. And just this week I read an article on BBC's news site about how they're trying to make electric and hybrid cars more noisy because people can't hear them coming and are getting run over. Even the daftest kid in my neighbourhood hears my Intercooled Turbo Diesel 4x4 Chelsea Tractor coming and gets out of the way.

There was a bloke at the 1967 BOAC 500 at Brands who had a pet crocodile on a lead - about 4-5ft long. I've seen film of it, a crowd of people around it in the paddock, at a distance!

I also remember an FF race at Mallory in the '70s, the drivers all trying to avoid a stray dog on the pit straight. Nearly as bad as the mad 'priest' at Silverstone but the dog was obviously frightened.

no animal of any type should be allowed at a motorsport venue, simple as that. its unfair to the animal (which in most cases are incapable of telling you they are suffering, barring dogs whimpering etc) and its a danger to the others on the circuit. Senna's incident with the stray dog should be proof alone that it's just not right to have animals at a circuit.