Group 5 Zakspeed Escort

Hi,

I am new to 10 Tenths, can anyone out there help with info, photos really anything regarding the Zakspeed Escorts Gp 2 and Gp 5 from years 75 - 78.

Also info no matter what on Zakspeed Escort, Chassis No; ZAK-E23/75.

Tell me more about your intentions with ZAK-E23/75:cool: I have done quite some research on these zakspeed GP5, I even had some contact which owns not one but two, yes two of these beatiful monsters! Perhaps can I be of help, as well as you to me:rotate:

Hi,
I own ZAK-E23/75, I have been restoring this car over the last 6 years. I know quite a bit of the history, but always hope to find any info no matter how small. As you will know the Gp 5 Escorts were only around for a short time, so info is thin on the ground.

The info I know so far, (Short Version) ZAK-E23/75 was built by Zakspeed in 75 to contest the DRM, Gp2 championship. The 76 season the car ran in Europa Mobel (White/Blue) livery, 2nd with Klaus Ludwig.
Zakspeed converted this car to Gp5 specs for the 77 season, it was in Mampe livery (Black). Stayed this way until Kassel-Calden 05/77 when it was used as a 3rd car for arrive and drive, by then the space frame Gp5 cars were built.
Was shipped to South Africa and then on to Macau in 78, was sold to Harper Motor Group in Kowloon (Ford Dealer) and was raced all over Asia, mostly Macau and Malaysia with great success.
Leif Norberg, living in KL owned the car from 89 to 91-92? Electrolux livery, carried out some restoration work and raced the car with very good sucess with both BDG and BDM. I believe smaller engine for Class 2 in East Asian Touring Car Championship.
I discovered the car in late 99 while working in Singapore/Malaysia, purchaced the car and sent it home to NZ.
Restoration started in 03.

Car is very close to completion but is now in storage as I am working in Moscow for 3 years.

Cheers,

Gary.

As far as I know Ford Cologne built one MkII Escort early in 1975 for Ludwig; Zakspeed built his own in the summer in 1975; this car was written off at Zandvoort. Zakspeed took over the "works" mkII, rebuilt the front with his own designs and this hybrid car took Heyer to the championship in 1975.
This car was used by Peter Hennige in 1976, as the third Zakspeed (black/castrol) entry. Both Heyer (black/castrol livery) and Ludwig (white/europamöbel) got new Zakspeed cars, which were indeed rebuilt into Group 5 cars for the first part in 1977.

Aha, this clears something up zakspeed65:rotate: I had never heard of zak escort gp5 living in Russia! But of course it turns out you're the guy in australia who does such a great job rebuilding the car; I've seen lot's of photos in a photo album on the internet! Could it be that your car was also the Ringshausen escort gp5 car? I can't find a photograph at the moment, but I will come back with one to show you.

BTW, you have spoken with the german with the polish name haven't you;)?

Yes, I have visited them in Germany last year. I am not an Australian but a Kiwi, just thought I should clear that up.
I look forward to seeing photos etc.

Hi,

I thought a few photos might help to jog the memory.

Dunhill Colours are when the car was owned by "Harpers" in Hong Kong, this photo was taken at Macau 79-80? Mampe colours as raced by Zakspeed DRM 77, Other 2 photos show some of the progress on the long road back to race trim.

The info I know so far, (Short Version) ZAK-E23/75 was built by Zakspeed in 75 to contest the DRM, Gp2 championship. The 76 season the car ran in Europa Mobel (White/Blue) livery, 2nd with Klaus Ludwig.
Zakspeed converted this car to Gp5 specs for the 77 season, it was in Mampe livery (Black). Stayed this way until Kassel-Calden 05/77 when it was used as a 3rd car for arrive and drive, by then the space frame Gp5 cars were built.
Was shipped to South Africa and then on to Macau in 78, was sold to Harper Motor Group in Kowloon (Ford Dealer) and was raced all over Asia, mostly Macau and Malaysia with great success.
Leif Norberg, living in KL owned the car from 89 to 91-92? Electrolux livery, carried out some restoration work and raced the car with very good sucess with both BDG and BDM. I believe smaller engine for Class 2 in East Asian Touring Car Championship.
I discovered the car in late 99 while working in Singapore/Malaysia, purchaced the car and sent it home to NZ.
Restoration started in 03.

Car is very close to completion but is now in storage as I am working in Moscow for 3 years.

Cheers,

Gary.
Hi Gary,
I think I saw this car racing in 1995/6 at either Shah Alam or Johor Bahru in Malaysia in a club event. It was in a fairly bad state and I think it had a rotary in it??? I seem to remember Harvey Yap(?) had something to do with car. He was clerk of course at Johor in the 90's. A friend of mine has been looking for the car in the last few years. I will put him out of his misery. Glad it is being restored, hope to see it on the track soon. Cheers.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. When I found the car it had been fitted with a rotary engine and was in very bad condition. I hope to here from your friend in the future.
Cheers.

Kurtiejjj,
I was reading through the 320 thread, and see that you were going to be looking at some old photos of the Gp2 and Gp 5 era. Did anything come of this?
Anything Zakspeed related?

Hi, first of all Gary sorry for mistaking you with an Australian:rofl: I havefound a few photos of the Zakspeeds which were driven (entered) by 'Ringshausen' I will scan them soon, is there any evidence this is also your car? At least it was built from an old Gp 2 shell as well. Or is it another car, perhaps the one that is now in Mampe colours? Are you sure you also talked to the other Zak escort guru with czech name:rotate:, or just the Mampe escort one? Not very nice to put it like that, but I'm reluctant to disclose their names for their own good.

Hi,

I went to meet the guy,s with the mampe coloured car, i think not the zak guru with czech name!! Can this guy be contacted?
Are there any good sites you have found in your research?

I am very interested to see the car in the photos you have.

Photo of Kart for Kart Idenitiy thread.

Kart looks suspiciously like Kaarlson Zip Mirage copy made in NZ during the late 70,s If you have more photos it could help.

Hi,

No more photos at this time but I have found out it may have been built by a guy Richard Tapper!! in CH CH.

Any chance of getting back to Zakspeed escorts:D Here we go; I have finally found the photograph of this not so well known livery:

http://www.bsim-racing.com/wp-content/gallery/group-5-at-zolder/0101.jpg

Escort from the Ringshausen racing team, with the driver most propably being Bernd Ringshausen. Can you shed more light on this?

I will PM you the telephone number of the 'guru', I'm not sure if he speaks english though. I had a conversation with him once but had some trouble understanding his german:rofl: I'm sure it was me, though.

By the way, you should've taken the escort with you to Moscow:rotate: it's only.. well a lot of miles (still hopeful I'll see it racing one day here in europe:cool:)

Thanks for the photo, this something new for me I have never seen this livery.
So this car was built from a Converted Gp2 Zakspeed car??
We may just be heading back to NZ sooner, so work might start up again!!

Yes I expect this car was built from a zakspeed gp2 car as I found some interesting information in a german book. Team Ringshausen entered a zakspeed gp2 car in 1976, which was converted to national gp5 spec (no huge arches) and entered as an RS1600 in 1977. The photo comes from 1978, so it would be quite logical the RS1600 was converted again, but now to proper group 5 spec. However there is the opportunity of course that Ringshausen may have px'ed the car at zakspeed for for an already existing Gp5 escort.

I was also gobsmacked seeing this car. I think I have to ask some germans over on another forum.

Ringshausen raced an Mk2 RS1600 (a car which did not really exist - a 1599 16-valve engine - a homologation wonder...) in group 5 national. It looked as a 1976-group 2 from the outside.
He raced a 1300 cc BDA in 1977 (Sekurit pokal) but also a 2-litre Group 5 car - make of that what you want...

Frank you're right, I was puzzled to see an RS1600 appearing But same could be said for the Zakspeed RS1800, it had 1975cc, not the 1800cc of the road car... And if were taling about homologation, when did you ever see a 4-valve BMW 2002 or BMW 320 or even an Opel Kadett GT/E?

To get back to the Ringshausen Gp5 Escort; it was used in May 1976 in the Nürburgring 1000km race and entered as an RS2000 BDG with the drivers being Ludwig, Hennige and Müller, it was sold to Ringshausen, he did a few DRM races in 1977 and then in 1978 an almost complete season.

Gary is there a possibility that this is your car? I'm thinking this might be the case, as Ringshausen only drove the last few races of 1977, which fits in with the fact that your car was in mampe livery only for the first part of the season. Is there any chance you could establish when in 1978 the car went to South Africa?

Best of all though, Autohaus Ringshausen still exist! I will send an email and see if Mr Ringshausen would be so kind to give some more information regarding his car and racing.

Hi,

I have looked through some old paper work I have on the car and Leif Norberg states in one of his communications that the car was raced Armin Hahne in Macau in late 77, it was then raced at Shah Alam in KL Malaysia by him again. He says it was then sold away.
Macau was 20,11,77 and Kyalami was 5/11/77, so I don't know if Zakspeed sent this car to both events. For sure it was at Macau that much is fact as I know, but I am now trying to find the info i have about it in SA.

The Ringshausen contact sounds good, I will cross my fingers.

Hi,
I have been in touch with Leif Norberg and have got some more info regarding the cars life after it european life.

Leif says the car was a joint effort between Harpers and Rothmans in Hong Kong and was driven by Harvey Yap (MAL) Ian Gray (AUS) and William Mei (MAL) while in Rothmans ownership.
He tells me that he purchased the car in 98 and set to doing a restoration to then race it Asia. Leif believes this to be the Heyer car as there was H Heyer etched into the Castings, Uprights, Hubs etc.

Leif is now trying to locate quite a number of photos of the car from it's Asian time, so I will let you all know as I see them.

Some years ago I was offered a Zakspeed Escort Mk 2, it was an alloy spaceframed car with steel body dropped on the top. It was completely in pieces but completely original. Anyone know where it is now ?
Alex

Hi Alex,

Is this the car you are talking about?

If so this car is now in Germany.

Cheers,

Gary.

It must be the car Alex is talking about, it's now owned by Dr Helmut Stein, still waiting to be restored one day. However there is a second and last space-frame car; the car which was in 'kuemmerling' livery, however it's virtually non-existent. With other words, all the bits and pieces are there but the chassis is no more...

Yes they are the same pictures I was shown. Why is the chassis no more ?
Alex

Hi Alex,

The car in the photos is still waiting for restoration. What Kurtiejjj is saying is that there was another Zakspeed space frame car which is now been cut up and scraped. What I know of this car is that it was in a very bad way, so striping out all the good parts was the only option. Somewhere I have a photo of the chassis # of the scraped car, I will look for it.
How long ago was the car offered to you? Where was it located at that time?

Gary.

Peter Mücke brought the car to Germany from Finland. As far as I understand it may have been stored in Hamburg for a while??

Hi Gary,
I think it was about 8-10 years ago i was offered the car. At the time I think it was in Scandinavia somewhere. And thinking about it now I think it was maybe Peter Mucke that bought it.
I was looking through some old magazines a couple of weeks ago (from Eastern Europe I think...) and saw at least 2 pictures of Zakspeed Escorts wrecked by Hans Heyer, a mk1 and a Mk2 I think. Maybe useful to fill in some gaps regarding cars.
Alex

I have just received some photos from a contact in Germany.
I am fairly confident the car I own is the Toshiba liveried car in the rear of one image.
I am told these photos are from later in 77, so after the Gp2/Gp5 cars were replaced with the late spec Gp5 cars.

Kurtiejjj, there are also a few shots of a car in the same livery to the Ringshausen car but in Blue/Red and with different number?

@ZAK65 have you read my PM yet:D ?

These are seriously brilliant photos by the way! This proves their were 4 Zakspeed Escort Gp5s! I was still thinking that one might have been liveried differently for various drivers throughout the season.

That means the Ringshausen car must still be somewhere. By the way you can notice it was an early car if you look at the rear wing, it's different than on later escorts, aero package is different as well in some details. I still haven't heard anything from Ringshausen, perhaps I should pay them a visit when I'm in germany.

The Ringshausen pic I posted was from 1978, which would explain the different number.

I can't remember whether it was 1971 or 72 when I was working for Wooding in Hamburg. At that time Zak was running a 1300cc Escort. We built two Escorts during the winter. Maurice Gomm (not sure of the spelling) prepared the shells for us. I brought them back to Hamburg in the transporter. The back axles came from Ford Cologne and were aluminium. The suspension links were clamped on as opposed to being welded, a bit like a large SU throttle arm! There were four trailing links and a Watt's linkage. The leaf springs were replaced with Teflon ones, which did absolutely nothing, springing was supplied by East to West crossed over tortion bars (modified Morris Marina from memory). The cars were completed over the winter, testing completed and all the spares prepared. Wooding went bust before the season started and Zak bought the transporter, cars and spares which were all ready to go! I went back to the UK and never found out how the cars performed or what Zak did with them.

Hello Gary, and welcome to Ten-Tenths .... Got told there was a guy asking about the 5's ... had a feeling it would be you :)

Hi Gary,

I'm trying to fill in some of the blanks form the cars DRM time, this is a great place to start.

Kurtiejjj, yes I got the PM, will follow that up soon. Thanks.

Also another interesting photo.

Hi Alex,

The car in the photos is still waiting for restoration. What Kurtiejjj is saying is that there was another Zakspeed space frame car which is now been cut up and scraped. What I know of this car is that it was in a very bad way, so striping out all the good parts was the only option. Somewhere I have a photo of the chassis # of the scraped car, I will look for it.
How long ago was the car offered to you? Where was it located at that time?

Gary.I have this chassis# and think this is off the car that was scraped. ZAK 01 G5 77

I have this chassis# and think this is off the car that was scraped. ZAK 01 G5 77

Hmm, interesting, As far as I know the scraped car I was talking about was the last Gp5 escort built, the one Boller drove in 1980.

ZAK 01 G5 77 is as far as I understand Heyer's car. Do you actually have the chassis plate or just a photo?

I was told that the car was driven by Heyer first & then when he got a new car Hahne drove it.
Alex

I only have a photo and this is what I was told. Sounds as if there could be some mix up. I do have some other photos of the car with the chassis in many parts, but these will take a while to find!!

Alex, I think you are right to say the car would have been driven by Heyer and then Hahne. What I know about my car is that in 76 (Gp2) it was piloted by Ludwig, then converted to Gp5, driven by Heyer and then when the new Gp5 cars came along it was used as the 3rd Zakspeed car for the 77 season.
It seems to be that Heyer was always given the new cars.

To add more possible confusion,the Racing Sportscars site shows a plain white car #54 driven by Armin Siefener to 9th place in the '78 Nurburgring DRM race.Car entered by Zakspeed/Mampe.

Am I allowed to add even more confusion? Look at this page, from the N'ring Supersprint 1978; http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Nurburgring-1978-10-01-photo.html Jürgen Weiler also driving a white Zak Escort Gp5 with #54.

A few years ago this was posted on a german forum: Hat ja endlich geklappt mit dem hochladen dann folgen noch einige Bilder! Mit dem Neuseelandescort möchte ich widersprechen bei dem handelt es sich nämlich um eines der ersten G5 Autos von Zak. und der "gestrippte" ist eindeutig ein komplettes Rohrrahmenauto in seiner wohl letzten evostufe (leider) denn dann kamen die Capris (wohl in erster linie aus Firmenpolitischen Gründen von Ford)denn 1980 kam ja schon der Escort 3 mit Frontantrieb. Bei dem Neuseelandescort handelt es sich meinen Nachforschungen zufolge um das Auto von Dr. Thomas Betzler (Toshiba-Sponsor) ,welches widerum das erste Auto von Armin Hahne war, Betzler fuhr es nur einige male in 1977 dann wurde es mehr oder weniger aufs Abstellgleis geschoben und unter anderem von A.Siefener (54) und dem mit der METZ-Werbung (dasselbe Auto, Name vom Fahrer ist mir gerade nicht bekannt) Dann kam es irgentwie nach Macao und wurde in dem Bereich auch bewegt bis es der Neuseeländer bekam und auch fast fertig ist mit der Restauration.(Geld bewegt viel und schnell).So nun mal ein paar Bilder.

Basically says that gary's car was driven in 1977 by Hahne and then Dr Betzler, 1978 by Siefener und Weiler in METZ livery.

This however clashes with Gary's own information which states his car was at Macau 1977 and then sold there. Obviously this is the right scenario as he's got the papers to proof it!

Kurtiejjj,

This is all very interesting, at the start of this thread I mentioned the car was in Macau in 78 and left there, as I have also stated from info supplied from Leif Norberg the car was in Macau in 77, however I now think Leif may be one year out. I will call Leif in the next few days to check this. Zakspeed entered cars in Macau 77 and 78, to me he has his years wrong??
I appreciate everyones input here as getting to the bottom of the history is very important to me.

Hi again,

I also think that calling any one car the "Heyer Car" is hard to do, as I am sure Heyer drove most Gp2/Gp5 cars Zakspeed during this period. Heyer drove my car at some point.

I can't remember whether it was 1971 or 72 when I was working for Wooding in Hamburg. At that time Zak was running a 1300cc Escort. We built two Escorts during the winter. Maurice Gomm (not sure of the spelling) prepared the shells for us. I brought them back to Hamburg in the transporter. The back axles came from Ford Cologne and were aluminium. The suspension links were clamped on as opposed to being welded, a bit like a large SU throttle arm! There were four trailing links and a Watt's linkage. The leaf springs were replaced with Teflon ones, which did absolutely nothing, springing was supplied by East to West crossed over tortion bars (modified Morris Marina from memory). The cars were completed over the winter, testing completed and all the spares prepared. Wooding went bust before the season started and Zak bought the transporter, cars and spares which were all ready to go! I went back to the UK and never found out how the cars performed or what Zak did with them.

Wooding escorts were driven by Jörg Obermoser and Gerhard Schüler in 1972 in the DRM. Any chance they went bust in 1973??

I found the pictures of the dismantled car I was offered, the bodywork was all white with a blue stripe down the side. Sponsor was VARMA Vakuuttaa. And the name I can hardly read, Petta Artro I think.

Alex

I can also read the chassis number on the turret. ZAK G5E 60888

Alex

Alex,
That all fits together, you can see this same chassis# in the photos in one of my previous posts, this car is waiting for restoration one day as I understand.

Sorry to add yet more possible confusion,look on Racing Sportscar site for 1986 GP Danmark for several more Escorts of debatable history!

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Jyllandsringen-1986-08-24-photo.html

I can't believe it, all these escorts this makes it even more confusing:rofl: Even a Mampe liveried car.

One car I find particularly interesting though, is the car of John Erik Oberg, as it has exactly the same rear wing as the Ringshausen escort.

If you take a look at the pic of the programme you will see in the top photo on the left the Zakspeed Ford Mustang (I was always wondering where that went to!) and in the back a white escort with a blue stripe on the front wing. It looks a lot like the 'ZAK G5E 60888' car.

It seems we need a Danish/Scandinavian racing expert on here:rotate: !

The John Erik Oberg car has the same looking front wings of the Selholm Tuning car, had a look on Selholm's website, but there are no pictures of the car, but has been sort of featured in a copy of Retro Ford magazine, running a stoopid horsepower YB turbo, and using Selholms axle and gearbox,

Kurtiejjj,
It's amazing to see these Escorts in Denmark in 86. The blue car you talk about has the same rear wing as the Ringshausen car but differs in the front wings and splitter from a Zakspeed car.
I have attached a few photos I uncovered while researching my cars history.
I'm not sure that these cars are Zakspeed cars at all, but very interesting all the same.

Hello Kurt.I am not sure that the car you refer to as the ex-Zakspeed Mustang is the car you mention although I admit it does look similar.I know that about this time Mustangs were being entered for the Midnight Sun race(at Keimola in Finland)? but I think they were Trans Am versions such as the ex JPS car of Robert Lappalainen.You are right however we do need a Scandinavian expert from this era.Certainly I know a lot of 'clone' cars were being raced at this time and I expect several of the Escorts were of this type.Back to my real area of 'expertise'any oddball BMW's from this era? Or should I start another topic?

Anyone remember a CCC article - can't remember date - all about Derek Bell's Zakspeed Group 5 Escort?? About 1978 I think - feature revolved around an event at the 'Ring. Memory is very hazy but i recall a nice cover shot.

Derek Bell = Escort?? Is my memory playing tricks???

No you are quite correct,I have the article you talk about although it does not reveal anything particularly relevant to this forum.

Anyone remember a CCC article - can't remember date - all about Derek Bell's Zakspeed Group 5 Escort?? About 1978 I think - feature revolved around an event at the 'Ring. Memory is very hazy but i recall a nice cover shot.

Derek Bell = Escort?? Is my memory playing tricks???

He was driving another car there and CCC got him to drive both a Gp2 car and a Gp5 car,
As Ian said, nothing really relevent, except a few pictures, and the fact that Derek reckoned the Gp5 to be amazing ...

Hello Kurt.I am not sure that the car you refer to as the ex-Zakspeed Mustang is the car you mention although I admit it does look similar.I know that about this time Mustangs were being entered for the Midnight Sun race(at Keimola in Finland)? but I think they were Trans Am versions such as the ex JPS car of Robert Lappalainen.

Hmm, I agree I'm not sure either, but the car looks extraordinarely similar to the Mustang: http://www.geocities.com/simontmallett/mustanggal1.html As far as I have found out the Mustang was just a Capri chassis with a Mustang body draped over it, it even ran at the Norisring by the looks of it. There's a good chance it came back to Germany after the American adventure. Anyway just speculating (oh dear, I believe that's illegal in some countries now:rotate:).

Again Gary, great pics, by the looks of it these also came from somewhere in Scandinavia.

Now there was a bloke from scandinavia on here, who helped with the BMW 320 Gp5 thread...

Yes it was Tzei, he seemed to know about cars in Finland etc....I will PM him.
Alex

Had a closer look at the bonnet section in post #48 above and the drivers name is Pekka.Underneath is his blood group Arh+.

Regarding the IMSA Mustang I am sure I saw a car at the Roush museum recently.I was looking for pictures for a model I am building and found it but cannot remember where exactly now!Roush has a large collection of cars he was involved with stored away.I do not think it is a museum as such ,maybe an American reader can help?

Had a closer look at the bonnet section in post #48 above and the drivers name is Pekka.Underneath is his blood group Arh+.

That would be Pekka Korkeakoski then, I was going through my PMs and 10/10 member Don Vito said Pekka drove the car in post #48. Other names of escort drivers he came up with were: Kalle Jokinen and Hannu Koivumäki, not zakspeed drivers though.

Quite true about the Roush connection Ian. I've got an unbuilt model kit of the Mustang here and one of stickers say 'Team Zakspeed Roush'.

Hi

Alex E - you woke me up :)

Dunno much about Fords but i had rear fenders like seen on these Zakspeed cars. I found a few articles etc about Pekka - i think we have been racing in same events organized by Historic Race Finland (http://www.historicrace.fi/). Pekka drove 911 at 2003 - i think.

Here is something about cars that we have or have had:
http://www.geocities.com/supersaloon2000/autolista-1.html
There isn't a pic of Pekka's car but under that is a pic of red ford... my fenders were red so they might have been on Kalle Jokinen's car? Sold fenders to a local ford enthusiast.

Here is something about cars that we have or have had:
http://www.geocities.com/supersaloon2000/autolista-1.html
There isn't a pic of Pekka's car but under that is a pic of red ford... my fenders were red so they might have been on Kalle Jokinen's car? Sold fenders to a local ford enthusiast.

Slightly OT here: The Kalle Jokinen car in the above link and this picture http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1986/Jyllandsringen-1986-08-24-063.jpg are not only of the same car, but a photoshopped version of the exact same picture! Details of the car and the track surface and background are all similar to me.
The racingsportscar picture are of Dane Benny S. Christensen, who had at one point had a 3.2 BMW straight six turbo engine installed. Don't know when he started racing this car, but by 1982 he was there, but faded away as the decade progressed and a new car emerged from his work shop, this time an M3. I think most of the Danish "Zakspeed" cars where look-a-likes only, but not info emerged at the time.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1986/Jyllandsringen-1986-08-24-nv4.jpg - This is Henning Petersen from the same meeting and racing a Mampe/Zakspeed look-a-like, here racing with a 2 litre 16 valve BMW engine. Fast forward to 1997 or 1998 it's most current owner Preben Jessen had a 3.5 BMW M88 engine in the thing, and as late as 2003 he complained that the frame was built too high at the front, upsetting the handling. I think 2004 was the last time it was raced, sounding beautifully when running proper.

Jesper

Kurtiejjj,

I have talked to Leif and he has confirmed that the car was in Macau late 78 in Gp5 trim also he was sure the car is the Ex Europa Mobel (Blue/White) 76 Gp2 car!
Sorry about the date mix up, but we are talking about 30 years ago.

I have also tracked down the photos of the cut up car, I am travelling and will post soon.

Is it .. or isnt it ?

http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashBoxId=4757448126

Hi Gary,

This car my well have a long history but not with the Zakspeed name.

It differs quite a bit from a Gp 2 car and I have never seem this body kit on a Gp 5 car built by Zakspeed. It looks very similar to the "Sansui" car or the "White" car in one of the photos I posted in this thread. Both similar body style!!

Also in 75-78, would need to be a BDG, Alloy or Steel Block somewhere near 2000cc.

In my opinion, NO!!!

Cheers.

PS, the car looks great in CF.

Hi Gary,

This car my well have a long history but not with the Zakspeed name.

It differs quite a bit from a Gp 2 car and I have never seem this body kit on a Gp 5 car built by Zakspeed. It looks very similar to the "Sansui" car in one of the photos I posted in this thread.

Thats what got me to thinking it may have been the Sansui car.



PS, the car looks great in CF.

shame its got my ugly mug in it :D
and the cars comming along nicely, with a lot of thanks to you ;)

Hmm, another great addition to the thread! Even though it most propably isn't Zakspeed. It looks a lot like the Sansui car, could be the same, at least it comes from the same area..

Gary(zak65), excuse me for poking my nose in but have you called the owner of the original Heyer mampe escort yet? :D

re: the jenspeed car, i've asked some questions on another site, see if anyone can dig up some history, mainly because as far as i'm aware Jenspeed are famous for engines, not fabrication, which means that the cars shell may have been bought in.

It would be good to have some closure on the cars

ie
Alloy space frame (chassis No ?????)No1 : scrapped
Alloy space frame (chassis No ?????)No2 : scrapped
Monocoque (chassis No ????) : Restored by Gary (zak65) Currently in NZ

Please fill in the list

some info on the Jenspeed car

The original shell was bought new from ford in 1976, and built specifically for the saloon car racing in sweden. Its raced in many guises and in many formula's and has been very successful.

Rumour has it, that it was once owned and kept in Britain, maybe even raced as the previous owner bought the car with seat on the right.

I think the Jenspeedcar is this one who was build by Leif Nilsson in 1977 with a 1600 Bda in it . The picture is from the magazine SPORT-AUTO from number 7/77. Maybe Kurtiejjj can translate it in english.
http://s8b.directupload.net/images/081012/temp/tl2pv9bx.jpg (http://s8b.directupload.net/file/d/1580/tl2pv9bx_jpg.htm)

Aha RS1600 has joined us:) great!

Article says that Leif built the car only by looking at cars from the DRM. Also says he hoped to drive it in Germany with a 2 litre engine instead of the 1600cc one. Even though it isn't a Zakspeed it's very interesting actually.

The thing i find very interesting about the cars is the progression and developement as we go through the cars. The first ones being more like the Gp4's with the body kit added, then the cars got engines moved back, then the trans tunnels modified, then the addition of outboard of the chassis rails 4 links (radius arms) and then these where lengthend to sit infront of the 'B' pillar, and then the addition of an Alloy cage before finally we come to the 2 spaceframed cars using the alloy cages.
Which all leads me, in my opinion, that the Escorts are the test beds for the Capris.
The early N/A cars didnt need rads in the rear 1/4's as theres room up front, but this space was earmarked for the two charge coolers on the capris, so they tested the idea on some Escorts.
Also, when you look at the build of the Capris, they look as if everything was finalized before the build.
Even so, the Escorts are still the best. As they where, before the 2 spaceframed cars, still steel monocoque cars, not 'specials'. As we all know, theres even less of the Capri in the Zakspeed Capris than Escort in the 2 Spaceframed cars.

So, do we agree with this?

Early cars : 6 linked (25" links), steel shell, rear tubbs, steel cage
Later cars: engines moved rearwards
.............: radius arms moved outside of chassis rails, transmission tunnels enlarged.
.............: radius arms lengthend to pickup past the B pillar
.............: addition of an Alloy cage.
.............: full alloy spaceframe

Sorry retro_msport this is to mutch tecnical english for me:-( What i can say is: there are only five Group 5-Escorts build by Zakspeed. First is Garys car from Newzealand this is the car who drive A.Hahne in early 1977 converted from the Europa-Möbel-car driven by Klaus Ludwig in 1976. Hans Heyers first Gr.5-car was converted from his Castrol sponsord car in 1976. This car is still in Germany and looks very sad. The third car is this car who drive his first race at the NORISRING in July 1977 by Hans Heyer. At this time A.Hahne became the old car from Heyer and Dr.T.Betzler drove A.Hahnes old car with his own sponsor Toshiba.This "NORISRING-CAR is a steel body with alloy-cage in it but no space-frame-car. Later it was modified in the engine-bay with other innerwings made from alloy to take up the turbo-engine. Later this car is the D&W sponsored car and also the KÜMMERLING sponsored car driven by W.Boller.In the meanwhile this car where cut in to pieces by his last owner.(The same Guy who owned the first Heyer car an the only one space-framed car what came back from scandinavia to germany in 1999 unfortunately this car is cut in pieces too.) The fourth car is the only space-frame -Escort Gr.5 ever build.Later driven by MARIO KETTERER and than this car was selled to scandinavia. The fifth car build by Zakspeed is the old car from Werner Schommers who drove the car in 1976 with WEISBERG-WERKZEUGE sponsor on it .This car was build to the Gr.5-spec. as a spare-car to drive it in Kyalamy in the end of 1977. But he never drove an being in stock for many years and is also still in Germany.
Cheers

@rs1600: 6 cars surely? You forgot to mention the 4th monocoque of Ringshausen. The photos on page 3 clearly show 4 Zak escorts together.

Here list as I understand it:

1. Gary's car, ex Ludwig Europamöbel then Gp5 Hahne, Toshiba and then of to the East

2. Heyer's Mampe car, ex Castol, now with Mr Molnar.

3. RS1600's car

4. Ringshausen's car, which was already driven in a 1000km race at the end of 1976, and is the oldest Gp5 escort and raced by Ringshausen in 1977 and 1978, then disappears (to scandinavia as well??)

Space frame cars
5. Space frame turbo car driven by Ketterer now in pieces and owned by doctor Stein.

6. Last space-frame car driven by Boller, now with Molnar as well, but without a chassis, he told me he had to weld a new one.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the way I see it.:p

@kurtiejjj: this is nearly right but i think the Ringshausen car is made by Bernd Ringshausen himself and is not made by Zakspeed i think this car was made from his 1976 Group 2 car.This car was bought from Zakspeed.

http://s7b.directupload.net/images/081015/temp/86n88xyk.jpg (http://s7b.directupload.net/file/d/1583/86n88xyk_jpg.htm)

http://s6b.directupload.net/images/081015/temp/tduqxqbg.jpg (http://s6b.directupload.net/file/d/1583/tduqxqbg_jpg.htm)

http://s7b.directupload.net/images/081015/temp/ll23trr6.jpg (http://s7b.directupload.net/file/d/1583/ll23trr6_jpg.htm)

In April 1978 Ringshausen sells his car as a Zak-Escort not a Zakspeed-Escort!!

http://s7b.directupload.net/images/081015/temp/ikhcokoh.jpg (http://s7b.directupload.net/file/d/1583/ikhcokoh_jpg.htm)

very good investigation Kurtiejjj !!!

RS1600 that are some very interesting photos you have posted again. And a very interesting ad.

If you read through the gt-eins thread on the zak escort, someone wrote that the Ringshausen car was used in the 1976 1000km at the nürburgring by Zakspeed as a genuine Gp5 car. I believe a pic was posted as well.

If you take a look at this: http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1976/76nurb1000.html According to these results this is correct and driven by Klaus Ludwig (D) Peter Hennige (D)
Siegfried Müller (D).

Also note the Zakspeed entered car of Finotto and Grano, (where the hell did that end up?)

However I am confused by the ringshausen ad as it says the escort has an engine tuned by Schrick, but Zakspeed livery is all over the car (if you take a closer look). I know Dr. Schrick did engine work for the Zak Capri Turbo cars. Perhaps he overhauled the customer Zakspeed engines?

Hi All,

I am now back in NZ from Moscow.

It is great to read all the new info here.

It is amazing to see all these photos and hear the correct history of the cars.

RS1600, Hello, are you saying there are only 3 Gp5 cars left now? I am sure that both the "Space Frame" cars are cut up and gone!! I also think now you mention it the Ringhausen car would have been built up from one of the Zakspeed Gp2/4 customer cars they built up, I think these were sold with 1800cc engines and were now as highley speced as the "Works" cars.

For those who may not have come across it before,try www.lisa-racing.com Go to Gruppe 5 DRM Galerie. More Escorts than you can shake a stick at!(Whatever that means!)

RS1600 that are some very interesting photos you have posted again. And a very interesting ad.

If you read through the gt-eins thread on the zak escort, someone wrote that the Ringshausen car was used in the 1976 1000km at the nürburgring by Zakspeed as a genuine Gp5 car. I believe a pic was posted as well.

If you take a look at this: http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1976/76nurb1000.html According to these results this is correct and driven by Klaus Ludwig (D) Peter Hennige (D)
Siegfried Müller (D).

Also note the Zakspeed entered car of Finotto and Grano, (where the hell did that end up?)

However I am confused by the ringshausen ad as it says the escort has an engine tuned by Schrick, but Zakspeed livery is all over the car (if you take a closer look). I know Dr. Schrick did engine work for the Zak Capri Turbo cars. Perhaps he overhauled the customer Zakspeed engines?

hello everyone :)

im michael, i own the croix-blanche built gr5 press car that was built for ford belgium.

i was just recently offered a finotto car, a used and abused mk1 that was bubble arched. never heard of a gr5 finotto until now.

michael

wanted to add : schrick is still to this day, a very capable camshaft manufacturer. he might have done more back then ?

@Kurtiejjj, this is the car from 1000km Nürburgring 1976 Hennige, Ludwig,Müller
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081018/temp/oyxz7etk.jpg (http://s2b.directupload.net/file/d/1586/oyxz7etk_jpg.htm)

and this is the Finotto-car from 1977, i dont know if he drive his MK1 or his MK2 at this race in 1976

http://s7b.directupload.net/images/081018/temp/cnszc23d.jpg (http://s7b.directupload.net/file/d/1586/cnszc23d_jpg.htm)

@Gary, no, the Ringshausen car in the first picture is build together with Zakspeed for himself. He build it with a 1600 BDA engine because he drive with this car in the "Deutscher Rundstreckenpokal" in the class 1600 ccm.
The later Group 2 cars from Zakspeed are build with 1800-2000 ccm alloy-block-engines.

Ahhh, very interesting. It's propably due to the back wing that the car was entered as a Group 5 car at the 1000km N'ring as the rest of the aero pack is the same as the 1976 DRM cars.

The Finotto car seems to have slightly bigger arches, especially at the back and look at that huge rear wing!

hello everyone :)

im michael, i own the croix-blanche built gr5 press car that was built for ford belgium.


Good stuff, we're always interesting in seeing new photos of Gp5 escorts:cool:

they look about the same width on the finotto car, but the top is lower, making it look wider.

And RS1600 .. how come you picture uploader has loads of popup adverts.
have you tried flickr.com or photobucket.com

Good stuff, we're always interesting in seeing new photos of Gp5 escorts:cool:

I mean: 'interested' not 'interesting':rotate:

@ retro_msport:my picture uploader is http://www.directupload.net/

this is a very very interesting thread about some extreemly interesting and cool cars:cool:

thanks

this is a very very interesting thread about some extreemly interesting and cool cars:cool:

thanks

Very good to see another young enthusiast having an interest in these cars;).

Very good to see another young enthusiast having an interest in these cars;).

Ant is a brillient young man, full of enthusiasm, and has an eagerness to learn, always saying sorry when he thinks he's asking too many questions. (Ant you can never ask enough questions)
And has allready helped out on the Croix Blanche car.

@ retro_msport:my picture uploader is http://www.directupload.net/

I know, and it makes my pop up blocker scream, sometimes not allowing the picture to open.

strange front spoiler on the finotto...and the color scheme looks somewhat like garys car before restauration... !!??

what i am a bit confused with :

who apart from me and gary in NZ now still owns a gr5 ? and how many were every built ?

in my books there were 10 cars, 2 have been the famous spaceframe ones (that are both cut up and destroyed), 1 is my press car so theres 7 racecars remaining.

from them 7, 1 was destroyed in south africa wih a GAA engine in it....so remains 6....then we know garry in NZ has a real one....so down to 5 remaining ones...

anyone care to shed some light (maybe we can even get the VINS together?)

michael

below some pics of my car :

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0830.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0831.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0832.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0833.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0834.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0835.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0836.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0837.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0838.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0839.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0840.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0842.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0843.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0844.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0845.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0846.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0847.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/IMG_0848.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/escort20mk220001.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/escort20mk220002.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/escort20mk220003.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/escort20mk220004.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/escort20mk220005.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/escosracer/Zakspeed/escort20mk220006.jpg

Very interesting photos; as reto_msport told me all the body parts are Zakspeed, same for the suspension bits?

10 cars? It seems more cars are getting known by the day.;) Any chance of a bit more information on the South-African car? And on all the other 10 cars in your book?

One other non-Zakspeed car is the one driven by Toine Hezemans, developed by GRAB, I'm sad to say but that was something quite different in terms of engineering and weight reduction against the Zakspeed cars. Sadly it lacked a LOT of power. It ended up in the Carribean being raced there for a few years but in the end crashed and scrapped.:faint:

Do we talk above the history of Group 5 Escorts in the DRM or above all Escorts with Zakspeed-Gr.5-silhouette?? Than we must add all Escorts from Denmark,Norway,Finland,Sweden and Nederland and,and,and !! A few years ago in Denmark drove some Group 5 Zak.-silhouette car in the spezial-saloon cars series. They looked as a Zakspeed-car but only from the outside.Inside they have BMW,OPEL or someone else engines and gearboxes and suspensions. This is the Preben Jessen Escort from Denmark i think the car is sold now!Take a look at the engine!
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9140/p9160902sm7.jpg
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600) at 2008-10-19
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4971/p9160910us3.jpg
By RS1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/RS1600) at 2008-10-19

This is the Escort from south-africa driven by Sarel van der Merve this car is unfortunately destroyed
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/58/img0008tr2.jpg
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600), shot with Canon PowerShot A310 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+PowerShot+A310&make=Canon) at 2008-10-19

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3286/sarel7cd7.jpg
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600) at 2008-10-19

RS1600
Great photos of the SA car. As I understand it the car in SA was the sister car to my car, which was left there after the Kylami race in 78.
It was raced there with great success by Ford Motorsport South Africa but was destroyed as you mention. Soon after a new car was built using parts supplied by Zakspeed and it was fitted with a GAA and again has very good history in SA. This car is now being rebuilt in Johannesburg. Although not an "Original" car it has a very real connection to the Zakspeed name.

There is some YouTube Zakspeed Escort and Capri footage - just type Zakspeed Escort or Capri in and up she pops. There's a few bits of footage of an Escort doing a hillclimb and the sound is rather good. The Capri is a particularly magnificent beast.

RS1600
Great photos of the SA car. As I understand it the car in SA was the sister car to my car, which was left there after the Kylami race in 78.
It was raced there with great success by Ford Motorsport South Africa but was destroyed as you mention. Soon after a new car was built using parts supplied by Zakspeed and it was fitted with a GAA and again has very good history in SA. This car is now being rebuilt in Johannesburg. Although not an "Original" car it has a very real connection to the Zakspeed name.

as i was told the SA car had a crash that was fatal to the driver. was it the driver above that lost his life in this very car ? are the pictures before or after its "revival" ?

Do we talk above the history of Group 5 Escorts in the DRM or above all Escorts with Zakspeed-Gr.5-silhouette??

I think to be called a Zakspeed Gp5, the car must have links to Ford. Zakspeed built the cars for Ford, therefore, they are "works" cars. The Croix Blanche car was was built for Ford of Belgium therefore is an official Ford car using Zakspeed parts. So i think it should be included in the 'Zakspeed' folder

This car that I built, shouldnt.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/retromotorsport/0-2.jpg

I built this using the the Nick Whiting bodykit, allthough it would be classed as Gp5 in the rules, is nothing to do with Ford or Zakspeed, If we could have got the Gp5 Zakspeed bodykit, we would have used it, but it still wouldnt be a Zak, as it wasnt comissioned by Ford, or Zakspeed

The Croix Blanche car is being rebuilt as Zakspeed would have built it, using as many pictures and as much infomation as possible from people who have contributed on this thread. Thanks must go to Gary (Zak65) as he has been very helpfull in this matter. Micheals original plan was to have one of my chassis under the Gp5 body. Untill he found the Croix Blanche car.
The inside would have looked like this ................

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/retromotorsport/SPRACING002-1.jpg

Very different to the Zakspeed cars

But now we have a car with Links to Ford and Zakspeed, it will be built as Zakspeed did, and will be used to show what great cars these Gp5's are, I hope that it will show the masses of Ford Escorts fans out there, that they were not just Rally cars.

as i was told the SA car had a crash that was fatal to the driver. was it the driver above that lost his life in this very car ? are the pictures before or after its "revival" ?


From: AutoWeek | Date: December 9, 2002
Van der Merwe retires * South African Sarel van der Merwe, winner of the Daytona 24 Hours in 1984, has hung up his helmet. The 59-year-old called time on his career after winning the final round of this year's South African Wesbank V8 series two weeks ago. The decision ended a career dating back to 1967.

A drive in Gianpiero Moretti's Porsche 935 at the 1980 Kyalami 1000Km gave him a foothold in the U.S. IMSA scene and he went on to drive for a host of top sports car teams on both sides of the Atlantic. The highlight was the win in the 1984 Daytona 24 Hours in a March 83G. ;)

so then that was before the big bang ....lol

so....rs1600....what car do you own ??

so....rs1600....what car do you own ??

One of the original Zakspeeds:gogirl: I still, after one year, have no clue who exactly drove the car though:rotate:

Zakspeed,is it possible you can let me have Leif Norberg's email address so I can contact him on another matter.Thanks Ian.

vin # ? turbo or NA ? details ??

as i heard from different sources it is just a replica with a fake ID. same sources tell me that its the mampe looking car that was on technoclassica ?

true or false mr rs1600 ?

The car that i own is the Ford Grab car from Werner Schommers, he drove the car in 1976 in the DRM. At the end of the saison he exchange the car for a Group 2 from Zakspeed. Zakspeed build the car up to Gr.5 spec. to have a reserve-car for the Kyalami 1000 km race at the end of the year 1977 but the car never drove in Kyalami. Later the car stand for long time in a garage from Zak. In the year 2002 i buy the car together with my brother and rebuilt it to the Gr.5 spec. from 1977 how Zakspeed build it up.

This is the car in 1976 driven by W.Schommers

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2025/schommersimkarussel1gy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)

And now the car looks so:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8784/dscf0015rk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8369/kopie2vondscf0026rl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)

And now the car looks so:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8784/dscf0015rk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8369/kopie2vondscf0026rl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)

WOW that car looks awesome. well done:cool: :cool: :cool:

what engine does she have?:cool:

WOW that car looks awesome. well done:cool: :cool: :cool:

what engine does she have?:cool:

None:laugh: , I believe RS1600 had trouble finding a cheap Cosworth BDG engine for sale.

None:laugh: , I believe RS1600 had trouble finding a cheap Cosworth BDG engine for sale.

so let me add up what u have said :

- the car started life as a GRAB grp2 car
- it then supposedly was converted by zakspeed to grp5
- then yet u converted it AGAIN to grp5 with your brother ?? why when zak had already done it ?
- on another thread ur saying you had to source the bodykit from south africa ? why if zakspeed provided it ?
- theres bits from the bodykit missing i.e. the rear spoiler is not complete nor are the rear fenders....why ?
- noone ever raced it as a grp5 car, so theres no history
- why is there no engine ?

it all doesnt make sense to me..... maybe u can shed some light and provide your VIN# ?

on the other hand i agree with littleant, it is a pretty car !!

None:laugh: , I believe RS1600 had trouble finding a cheap Cosworth BDG engine for sale.

Sorry Kurtiejjj the engine is on the way from the USA to us 2.0l BDG with Lucas slide throttle injection:p

@escosr.
we by the car as a naked steel body with dashpanel and rearaxle!
Than we take a look for the fenders where we came also to croix-bl. but mr.Weber is a little bit :rotate: !! His son want too mutch money only to copy the fenders. So we by it in SA. They fit perfectly whith the fasteners to the original holes. At this time we have built the rear spoiler by ourself from alloy.
I say never raced in Kyalami, the car raced in the DRM 1976 an by a letter from Zakspeed they told us the car raced also by Zak in the DRM.
But in the moment i search by myself for pictures from our car.
Here the engine
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8122/cossiereadyforshipping0tg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)
so the escort look when we by it
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6854/dscf0007gf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3466/dscf0046cs3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By rs1600 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/rs1600)

I have to prove nothing i know what i have:)

Congratulations RS1600 with the BDG engine! Happily the lucas slide throttle injection was included, as that can get rather expensive to find..

How can you doubt the originality of rs1600's car, as he literary bought it from zakspeed. The brothers have done a stunning job and now with the BDG engine I can't wait to see it going again. Where by the way? Hill climbs perhaps?

Is there any chance rs1600 that you could tell us what your car was up to during the 1977 DRM season? Was it driven by Hahne perhaps?

rs1600:
congratulations for that rebuild, to take it up to the standard you have from what i can see above is real good work :) and good find that BDG, i am going for a YB turbo engine as this is a bit more reliable and cheaper to run.

kurtiejjj:
its not doubt, if you own 1 of them beasts you want to know as much history of each and every one of the 10. thats why i ask specific questions. especially the VIN is interesting as noone has figured out the zakspeed numbering system as of now, for example.

rs1600

do you have any bulkhead pictures as i am unsure what it looked like or they were just all different...??

Is there any chance rs1600 that you could tell us what your car was up to during the 1977 DRM season? Was it driven by Hahne perhaps?

What i know in the moment is that the car was built up to Gr.5-spec. a few month before the race at the end of the season in Kyalami. I try to find a picture in that "outfit" since 2005.
We choose the Hahne-design because the number-1-Heyer-car is still here in Germany!

@escosracer
I have only 3 bulkhead-pictures, they all looked different!

It would be very interesting to see the book or the listing from the 10 Gr.5 escorts you spoke from in this tread .

About the VIN# : I have VIN-pictures from 5 Gr.5 cars that run here in Germany one of this numbers are from my car. Helmut Barth told me there is only a little "in German is Grundgedanke" in the VIN#.
cheers

What i know in the moment is that the car was built up to Gr.5-spec. a few month before the race at the end of the season in Kyalami. I try to find a picture in that "outfit" since 2005.


Okay, That's clear then! Apart from its schommers/GRAB entry then, it hasn't been entered in the DRM in Gp5?

Got this over the weekend ..............................


Hi Mate hope your well , I believe your after some info on the sansui mk2 race car thats now in norway , got lots of pics i was offered the car a good few years ago and kept these pics on my old pc , hope these can be of some help


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/NickMexicos/IMAGE_00006.jpg
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rs1600:

i am not overly keen using the centerlock adapters i have, what do they look like on your car ? you have pictures / dimensions please ? our cars seem to be the only remaining that have centerlocks, gary has 4 bolt :(

thanks :)

Ohhh I forgot to add, the Jenspeed car that was featured in the magazine has the same position air jacks as the pictures of the Sansui car above... so, conclusion, the Sansui car is now known as the Jenspeed car

so, we have

Name of owner....Discription..............................Condition...........Location

Gary's car..........??????????................................. rebuilt .............in NZ
rs1600's car........Spare car............................almost complete..... in Germany
Escosracer's Croix Blanche press car................. being rebuilt .........in England
Kurt's car..............????????..........................??????????............. in Holland
Jenspeed ..............Sansui car ....................... running ............... in Norway
MIAC (missing in action cars)

What cars are missing ?

Destroyed cars (race damaged or scrapped)
Spaceframed car No1
Spaceframed car No2

Hi Gary,

Great photos of the Sansui car, it is interesting to see the Front Upright Assy are the same as the items used in 72-73 Works Capris and Gp2 and Gp5 Zakspeed Escorts and Capris.
I attach photos of the new items I have recast from the original units of my car. These units are used in both "Centre Lock" and "4 Stud" setups

Also to clarify, my car in NZ, "Original" Zakspeed Escort, one of two Zakspeed Gp2 (Steel Cage) cars converted to Gp5 by Zakspeed at the start of the 77 season!!!!

Name of owner....Discription..............................Condition...........Location

Gary's car..........converted gp2 in '77...................rebuilt .............in NZ
rs1600's car........Spare car............................almost complete..... in Germany
Escosracer's Croix Blanche press car................. being rebuilt .........in England
Kurt's car..............????????..........................??????????............. in Holland
Jenspeed ..............Sansui car ....................... running ............... in Norway
MIAC (missing in action cars)

What cars are missing ?

Destroyed cars (race damaged or scrapped)
Spaceframed car No1
Spaceframed car No2

gary NZ, i will try to contact you in a few hrs with new information. you availabe ?

gary UK, i have a far more detailed list. i call you now.

Kurt's car..............????????..........................??????????............. in Holland


Thanks for the compliment retro_msport:rofl: but you can scrap me from the list for the time being as I've got no Escort:mad: hihi!

rs1600:

i am not overly keen using the centerlock adapters i have, what do they look like on your car ? you have pictures / dimensions please ? our cars seem to be the only remaining that have centerlocks, gary has 4 bolt :(

thanks :)

The Uprights are the rebuilts from Gary (NZ) we rebuild the centerlookparts here in Germany from a Gr.2 Zak-Escort ( the same as Gr.5) together with a friend from us.
Here is a picture from the rear the front looks nearly the same but i have no picture in the moment.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9012/achse2ce5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Name of owner....Discription..............................Condition...........Location

Gary's car..........converted gp2 in '77...................rebuilt .............in NZ
rs1600's car........Spare car............................almost complete..... in Germany
Escosracer's Croix Blanche press car................. being rebuilt .........in England
Kurt's car..............????????..........................??????????............. in Holland
Jenspeed ..............Sansui car ....................... running ............... in Norway
MIAC (missing in action cars)

What cars are missing ?

Destroyed cars (race damaged or scrapped)
Spaceframed car No1
Spaceframed car No2

Here is a picture from the first H.Heyer car that is still here in Germany ;)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2228/zakescortgr56eh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Super toll RS1600:), Herr Molnar's escort, still looks pretty much together. Seems like it has spend some time in the Auto & Technik Museum Sinsheim.

I saw this and I thought of you!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1977-VINTAGE-POSTER-NURBURGRING-ZAKSPEED-FORD-ESCORT_W0QQitemZ280279977727QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280279977727&_trkparms=72%3A1294%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I am not the seller, but thought it might appeal to someone with an interest in Zakspeed

Seller's also got one from the zak capri. I don't want to be the usual stingy Dutchman but 24.99 pounds is quite a hefty starting bid for a folded poster:cool:

hi
can anyone who has got one of these cars please tell me how much extra track width is gained by using this bodykit, dont worry im not going to be building a zakspeed car,i dont even own an escort:laugh: i am just interested because i love the look of these arches but i cannot remeber just how wide they are.

so maybe one of the garys or rs1600 can help me out please,:cool:

thanks

ant

Hello ant!
My english is not so good:(
if i understand your question right then the totally width is 1980 mm at the rear fenders:)
cheers

o.k thanks mate, now i can find out how wide a standard car is, and work it out from there. :cool:

thanks very much mate:cool: :cool: :cool:

Here is an old Autosport photo of the SA Escort. Notice that it is right hand drive. The article states that it used a F5000 spec. Cosworth GAA. In a later article (which I am relying on memory for) they showed Dave Charlton building a 'group 5' Fiat 131 for what was at the time called the manufacturers championship. There were no decent shots of this interesting vehicle - sadly.

Hi,

Great photo of the car in action in SA.

What you say about the car running a GAA all rings true as the car is now being restored and will run a GAA. The owner told me that this car has great history running this way, also said that the car was built up in SA with many parts from Zakspeed.

the restauration of mine (Croix Blanche Press car) is well on its way and those interested can see the progress each month in the UK classic ford magazine.

gary @ retromotorsport is rebuilding the whole body / suspension side of the car and i must admit i am over the moon.

the workmanship is just simply outstanding, not more not less. i can only recommend him for any panel work on historic vehicles, i have seen many many many in my time of collecting and restoring cars but still cant beleive some of the pictures.

i cannot post many pictures in respect to the magazine but can share the following :
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Actually, in relation to my earlier post about the Fiat 131, it might also have been built/driven by Geoff Mortimer. Anyone is SA with photo's of the championship at that time (approx. 1976 - 1982 I think)?

Here i have a interesting article of a magazine called CAR from march 2002!
If i read this correct than the SAREL-car is converted from a Rallye-BDA into the racecar from the pictures later with GAA-24valve engine....right??
Here are two sites from the article
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6571/nordschleife0270nk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8292/nordschleife0271os2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

people.....do your research properly....

the ford GAA engine was used in the sherman tank in WW2...weighs 950lb and is big as a house....no way that ever went into an escort...

heres a picture of a GAA in a mustang to show you what i am talking about:

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also i would like to point out that the SA car has no grp5 features apart from the bodykit.

The engine in the South African Escort is a Cosworth created 3.4 litre V6,originally built I think for the Capris and also used in Formula cars.It has nothing to do with the motor in the Mustang above.It was a small and quite compact unit.

Michael is right, and its a common mistake calling the Cosworth GA V6 24valve 4 cam 3,400cc engine the GAA, the GAA as shown above is a tank engine V8, which was 32 valves and 1100 cubic inches, it was designed to go into aircrafts as a V12 but ended up having 4 cylinders cut of and used in the tanks, later the v12 was re-used when Ford was asked for a bigger engine, this engine is called the GAC.


Heres an example of a GA in Nick Whitings (rip) Thundersaloon

http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/video/nwxp.wmv

Heres a link to the cosworth engine ian mentioned above http://www.ep90.com/index.php?id=94

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what a sexy engine that GA is.....anyone have a spare ?? :)

Heres a link to the cosworth engine ian mentioned above http://www.ep90.com/index.php?id=94

As you can see ... even they have called it the GAA, i know i have by mistake in the past :rotate:

Quote from the book "Cosworth - The search for power" by Graham Robson: - Based on the existing Ford Capri/Granada V6 block, but with light alloy 4 valve, twin cam cylinder heads, and cogged belt drive to the camshafts. The original engine was a 2994cc unit: the GA was a bored out version for use in Group 2 touring car racing in the Ford Capri RS3100, and later used in F5000 single seaters. 100 kits produced and sold through Ford Motorsport. Developed in 1973 for 1974 season with 440bhp. 460bhp for 1975 F5000 season.
Check this out, and turn your speakers up FULL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA6UH_G9Xn4

I always thought it was called a GA, but I seem to remember back in the Thundersaloon days someone built some GA`s with alloy blocks & they got called GAA`s. The extra `A` for alloy I assume ?
Alex

Hi,

As far as I know the Essex based 3412cc, V6 Cosworth engine has always been given the 3 letter Ref: of "GAA". Was Iorn, not Alloy block.

Cosworth has always given its engines a Ref; of three letters, examples below.

SCA Family; SCA, SCB, Scc etc.

FVA Family; FVA, FVB, FVC etc.

DFV Family; DFV, DFW, DFY etc.

BDA Family; BDA, BDB, BDC etc.

YB Family; YBA, YBB, YBC etc.

Others Family; EAA, GAA, KAA etc.

The youtube movie is great. Thanks.

GAA is correct. The A in this instance refers to it being the first (and only) variant. The BDA is a universal name applied to a whole family of engines. There was an 1100cc BDJ and a 1300cc BDH for example. The leters ran all the way down to the BDX which was - as far as I recall - an alloy version of the BDG. Robsons book states that the original Capri iron block was used, and that the heads etc. were aluminium. I read - back in the mists of time - that an all alloy engine existed somewhere..... In Ireland, GAA refers to a juggernaut!
:wibble:

I thought the GA was the Cossie tuned 2900 and 3100 engines, then the full on DOHC 3400 was the GAA, and it was also used in F5000 as it was stock block with OHC, unlike the 5 litre pushrod V8s.
Admittedly, I'm remembering something from 30+ years ago!

No Tim, Cosworth were not directly involved in the racing 2.9 litre engine which was a bored out 2.6 from the road going RS2600. It was a far simpler OHV type. There may have been some parts used - pistons and the like - but the engine was tended by Cologne themselves. In his book on the Capri, Jeremy Walton says Weslake did some work on the 1973 engines, which by then were out to 2995cc.