Lydden 25/8 results

I didn't go but if you have some results please post them up :)

Right, off the top of my head:

Superfinal: Hill
Supercar: Doran (Pat)
Supermodified: Collins
Stock Hatch: Godfrey (Not totally sure that's right)
Junior: O'Brien
BTRDA Supermodified: Pusey
BTRDA Stockhatch: Horton
BTRDA Junior: O'Brien
RX150: Meeke

Supermodified A final and Superfinal were absolutely cracking races from start to finish, Joe Cunningham rolled his car in a big way but was fine, Jess Gwynne had an off and it took a long time to get her out of the car but as far as I know she's ok (taken to the medical centre but I didn't see the ambulance leave the circuit). Mike Boak lost a rear wheel but manfully drove back to the paddock hanging out of the car to keep it balance. Chris Langley drove a blinder and was fourth in the supercar A final after winning the B final. Supermod final was a good scrap between Bird, Bellerby, Power, Boak and Collins. I'm sure I've missed some details but some great racing today :)

Superfinal

1. Hill
2. Ollie
3. P Doran

Great day of racing, supermodified racing was the best.

A few supercars down on last year (Carnegie, Jordan, Tracey, McCluskey, Mad Mark, Briggs, Mundy) and considering we're looking for the Euro round not sure how many supercars would have made Division 1 today.

Sverre Isachsen also didn't turn up.

Circuit improvements very evident, a lot of hard work has gone into improving the losoe sections.

Please do not introduce a joker lap it will ruin Lydden (is it ERC policy that every round must have one)?

Also can the RX 150 dirt buggies, any first timer to rallycross today would have been confused by them alongside cars and also remove the stupid plastic link lego brick line things on the exit to the chicane by the startline the wall they caused a few accidents.

[Sverre Isachsen also didn't turn up.

Please do not introduce a joker lap it will ruin Lydden (is it ERC policy that every round must have one)?

Isachsen went home after the Dutch ERC round and already by then Lydden was out of question for him, I was told.

NO, it is not at all ERC policy that every round must have one. And I would be surprised if they will be used for long…

There was a serious amount of overtaking today, i thought joker laps were used to make overtaking easier at venues that were tight and twisty, so I really hope Lydden don't incorporate one there really is no need.

Beyond the results, what a great day. The weather held out, the track was in its best condition possible, the marshals were as always superb, I think the day was well run with very few incidents and all 'b' finals were run too.

If that doesn't get us an erc round then nothing will.

And I would be surprised if they will be used for long…

Really? Great! Why wouldn't you be surprised? Drivers or spectators complain?

How can "they" expect the drivers on the alternative route to take care about the right of way on the original track when HANS is obligatory and will make moving of the head nearly impossible. I expect serious Joker Lap accidents sooner or later and that will bring an end to the carnival presumably.

So is the work on Hairy Hill, more loose, or for a joker lap. Just its seems it would take away overtaking points, in or out of devils, and in or out of the hairpin, if it is used every lap?

So is the work on Hairy Hill, more loose, or for a joker lap. Just its seems it would take away overtaking points, in or out of devils, and in or out of the hairpin, if it is used every lap?

Think you will find it's going to be used instead of the tarmac going up the hill. It's a replacement for, rather than an addition to, the circuit to shift the % split between loose and tarmac to bring Lydden into line with Euro regulations for Rallycross circuits.

That's not confirmed - just my observation.

Thanks for that - relieved to hear it might not be a Joker

Some more questions.

1/ When Arthur said Schanche`s lap record would not be beat if the track changed, he talked about a new chicane. So is the uphill rough the chicane, or is the chicane in front of the commentry box being altered?

2/ I saw Arthur D was given a blank photo frame, but couldn`t hear what they said they were going to put in it?

3/ The programme said they were hoping for an Easter ERC date, if they get it. If so would Lydden be paired with another race a week later, if so which, Portugal, France etc. Anybody know a likely date for the French ERC, and the track its likely to go to, back to Essay, (seems to go there every other year at the mo)

Thanks folks

Also can the RX 150 dirt buggies, any first timer to rallycross today would have been confused by them alongside cars and also remove the stupid plastic link lego brick line things on the exit to the chicane by the startline the wall they caused a few accidents.

1) really what do you think is wrong with the buggies, i think they are a welcome addition to the days racing, with some top class drivers in many of them.

2) The plastic block wall may need to be arranged differentlly for safety reasons but it is pretty essential that it is there other wise drivers can ( and will) cut the chicane significantlly.

Please do not introduce a joker lap it will ruin Lydden (is it ERC policy that every round must have one)?

I dont' know how to put a link to it here, but there is a thread running specifically about joker laps - and you have a chance to vote for or against it (naturally I'm against it, but then of course I love motor racing, not a contrived joke). Ah, the pennies just dropped, that must be why its called a joker lap (as in "you're having a joke").

racing, not a contrived joke).

The thread in question is here:

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108080

(just copy and paste the URL from the address bar :) )

1) really what do you think is wrong with the buggies, i think they are a welcome addition to the days racing, with some top class drivers in many of them.

2) The plastic block wall may need to be arranged differentlly for safety reasons but it is pretty essential that it is there other wise drivers can ( and will) cut the chicane significantlly.

The buggies are buggies, not cars. Rallycross is motor car racing, we'll be having quad bikes or motorbikes next. Seems to me as if it was one of Ollie's hobbies that he wanted to showcase, would have been fine as some lunchtime entertainment but its not rallycross.

The chicane always used to be marked by some old cones which used to get clattered and didn't cause anyone to roll or get huge hunks of plastic caught underneath their car or cause extensive damage. The block wall serves no safety purpose in that location and should just be replaced with some smart new cones in my opinion.

Excellent days racing, especially the Modifieds and the Supercars. The track looked the best it has for years. I never remember Chessons being that flat when I raced there. :winner:

Good to see more than one or two cars in the BTRDA Modifieds and well done to Gary Pusey. I spent an hour with Gary and his team trying to cure the Escort's misfire but no luck. He then had a driveshift problem with the Peugeot 206 but won the final. Well done Gary.

Brave man turning up with 2 different cars :0beer: Arthur said he thought it was the old Dave Bellerby car, it is actually the old Chris Bellamy Pug.

The buggies are buggies, not cars. Rallycross is motor car racing, we'll be having quad bikes or motorbikes next. Seems to me as if it was one of Ollie's hobbies that he wanted to showcase, would have been fine as some lunchtime entertainment but its not rallycross.

The chicane always used to be marked by some old cones which used to get clattered and didn't cause anyone to roll or get huge hunks of plastic caught underneath their car or cause extensive damage. The block wall serves no safety purpose in that location and should just be replaced with some smart new cones in my opinion.

The block wall prevents people cutting the chicane unlike the cones, so with it there the competitors have to go around the corner on the track reather than add in there own new loose section!

The block wall prevents people cutting the chicane unlike the cones, so with it there the competitors have to go around the corner on the track reather than add in there own new loose section!Sorry but the block wall serves no purpose at all. It's addition is a hazard we don't need.
The chicane is like threading a needle at speed, there is no advantage to be gained by cutting it. The kerb on the inside is too big to cut and if you cut the outside kerb you will go onto the grass. The best and quickest line into Chessons is on the tarmac not the infield.
IMHO the barriers caused more trouble than they were worth. Previously if you got it wrong approaching the chicane, you always had the option to get out of any trouble by turning onto the infield, now it's hold tight and pray the inside kerb, or the barriers don't send you into a roll.


Other than that I have to congratulate Pat, Amy, and the rest of the team, the circuit was brilliant The loose sections were smooth, even the hole the Supermoto's caused halfway round Chessons has gone. Everybody I spoke to agreed the track was in tip top condition.

The quality of the racing, especially the finals, and most of all the Supermodified 'A' final show there is no need for a joker lap at Lydden.

I am looking forward to seeing the loose section on Hairy Hill, but I do wonder how the are going to keep the gravel in place. A few heavy rainstorms and a big rallycross meeting might see the loose section end up at The Devils Elbow ;)

Are block walls and steep kerbs actually still legal for FIA rallycross? Circuit racing seems to have eliminated them at the top level and replaced them by cones or 'escapes' in fast corners. That has to be safer. Stewards are free to impose penalties on cars which gain an advantage by 'cutting' so I don't see why deliberate hazards are necessary?

Are block walls and steep kerbs actually still legal for FIA rallycross? Circuit racing seems to have eliminated them at the top level and replaced them by cones or 'escapes' in fast corners. That has to be safer. Stewards are free to impose penalties on cars which gain an advantage by 'cutting' so I don't see why deliberate hazards are necessary?
in the fia regulation it advises that tarmac areas of the course follow the same regulations as race circuits. so i suppose they are legal

Sorry but the block wall serves no purpose at all. It's addition is a hazard we don't need.
The chicane is like threading a needle at speed, there is no advantage to be gained by cutting it. The kerb on the inside is too big to cut and if you cut the outside kerb you will go onto the grass. The best and quickest line into Chessons is on the tarmac not the infield.
IMHO the barriers caused more trouble than they were worth. Previously if you got it wrong approaching the chicane, you always had the option to get out of any trouble by turning onto the infield, now it's hold tight and pray the inside kerb, or the barriers don't send you into a roll.

I totally agree there is no advantage in cutting the chicane. Anyway, there is a marshals post right opposite (Post 1) which is perfectly placed to report if a car does cut the corner.

Hi all.

I would just like to say a very big congratulations to pat and his lydden team for the fantastic work that they have done to the track and the facilities at lydden hill.

Also the days racing was great, especialy the finals in the super mods and super car classes. And to top it all the super final was sumthing else, how steve hill managed to pull the move along the banking at the first corner was fantastic. these races brought back memories of how rallycross used to be.
Even off the track amazing things were happening. like tony lynch and his team geriatric changeing the head gasket on his car and him finishing the day with a win.

Lets hope the great racing continues at pembrey. See you there.

Even off the track amazing things were happening. like tony lynch and his team geriatric changeing the head gasket on his car and him finishing the day with a win.The head gasket the Tony put on his car was given to him by Julian, his main rival in the championship. It just goes to show the camaraderie in the rallycross paddock.

Lets hope the great racing continues at pembrey. See you there.Don't forget Blyton in two weeks time. Rounds of the Open, MDA & BTRDA Championships.




Results from the Lydden Meeting are online now.
CLICK HERE (http://www.smart-timing.co.uk/Results%202008_files/Rallycross/MSA%20British%20Championship/25th%20August.pdf) for MSA/BRDA results (pdf file)
CLICK HERE (http://www.smart-timing.co.uk/Results%202008_files/Rallycross/BTRDA%20Championship/25th%20August.pdf) for BTRDA results (pdf file)