Silverstone

Cub
9 Oct 2008, 21:16
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Tavoni speaks with Peter Collins (Ferrari) whilst Mike Hawthorn and Stuart Lewis-Evans (Vanwall) look on. Silverstone 1958

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Innes Ireland and Jim Clark (Lotus Team) at Silverstone 1958

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Yeoman Credit at Silverstone but what year?

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Stirling Moss with the Vanwall at Silverstone 1958. Tony Vandervell stands with his hands behind his back.


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Phil Hill at Silverstone but what year?

Aysedasi
9 Oct 2008, 21:22
Great pics - did you take them?

(Say Hello to my Mum in Denmead for me, will you? ;))

Cub
9 Oct 2008, 21:43
Great pics - did you take them?

(Say Hello to my Mum in Denmead for me, will you? ;))
Story behind the pics here http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2306949&postcount=8

Aysedasi
9 Oct 2008, 21:53
I'm there now - thanks for the directions...... :)

D-Type
9 Oct 2008, 23:37
The second picture must be 1960 as it features a Lotus 18.

The "Yeoman Credit" car is possibly a BRP entry. No 36 doesn't fit with the 1963 GP so it must be the International Trophy from either 1962, '63 or '64.

Barry Boor
10 Oct 2008, 00:35
Nothing whatever to do with Yeoman Credit.

The British Racing Partnership who ran the pale green Lotuses was connected with United Dominions Trust - a different finance company altogether.

The venue is a bit of a puzzle. BRP Lotuses seem not to have run at Silverstone wearing #36 in either 1962 or 1963. I wondered if maybe they hadn't changed the number from Monaco, but that doesn't tally either.

This clearly needs more investigation.

JeanL
10 Oct 2008, 00:37
I think it is:
#8 Lotus 18 Climax,Clark ,British Grand Prix 1960
#36 Lotus 24 Climax ,Ireland ,Grand Prix de l'A.C.F.1962 (Rouen)

Barry Boor
10 Oct 2008, 00:41
Ah, YES, Jean!

The trees look very Roueny... and certainly not like the Silverstone paddock, even in the sixties. I should have looked past the car!

morninggents
10 Oct 2008, 00:53
Cub, these pictures you are posting are truly stunning and I feel privileged to see them unfurl on this forum.
The 1958 Silverstone photos are of particular interest as it was the first Grand prix I'd been taken to though I'd been to several car and motorbike meetings prior to this. However, I was not very well on the day (a Saturday in those days) and ended up in hospital down at Parkstone near Poole on the Tuesday after with pneumonia. Consequently my memory of the day is almost nonexistent (for instance, I could not remember Jim Clark being there) although I remember Peter Collin's Ferrari winning.
I know this is slightly off-topic but could anyone let me know the grid and results of that race. I hope this doesn't detract from the impact of the photos.

Barry Boor
10 Oct 2008, 00:56
Morninggents, go here:
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/archive/f1/1958/58gb.html

but you won't find Jim Clark there in 1958.

morninggents
10 Oct 2008, 01:00
That's why I didn't remember him there! The picture caption says 1958.

morninggents
10 Oct 2008, 01:05
Thanks for the link, Barry.

sportcars
10 Oct 2008, 10:32
Morninggents, go here:
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/archive/f1/1958/58gb.html

but you won't find Jim Clark there in 1958.

Thanks Barry Boor for this link !

Please read : XIII RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1058 - Silverstone. Are there any witnesses? ;)


Extraordinary ! God save the King Edouard

morninggents
10 Oct 2008, 10:44
Thanks Barry Boor for this link !

Please read : XIII RAC British Grand Prix 19 July 1058 - Silverstone. Are there any witnesses? ;)


Extraordinary ! God save the King Edouard

I was there! Hell, must be older than I think.

Navyflier
11 Oct 2008, 18:22
I think it is:
#8 Lotus 18 Climax,Clark ,British Grand Prix 1960
#36 Lotus 24 Climax ,Ireland ,Grand Prix de l'A.C.F.1962 (Rouen)
Yes! Right you are. I took the picture and I can confirm it was Innes Ireland's Lotus at Rouen 1962.

Aysedasi
11 Oct 2008, 20:40
Mystery solved. This really is fun :):)

sportcars
12 Oct 2008, 12:55
The British Racing Partnership who ran the pale green Lotuses was connected with United Dominions Trust - a different finance company altogether.


The transporter at Le Mans

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I think the picture is David Castelhano collection before the sale

Enrico Spaggiari
13 Oct 2008, 14:58
The transporter at Le Mans

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I think the picture is David Castelhano collection before the sale

Could it be 1961? They run a Lotus Elite at Le Mans that year.

Cub
13 Oct 2008, 19:05
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Peter Collins and his Ferrari at British GP 1958 which he won. He is speaking to Chitti of Ferrari whilst Tavoni leans over the car.

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Silverstone 1960

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British GP 1958. Tony Brooks in his Vanwall. Dennis Jenkinson walks by.

Cub
13 Oct 2008, 22:08
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Jack Fairman leans on No.15, Connaught whilst Ivor Bueb talks with smoker. 1958 British GP, Silverstone.

Roger Clark
14 Oct 2008, 00:42
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Silverstone 1960

This must be 1961 as the cars have a roll over hoop. It's the International Trophy

Cub
15 Oct 2008, 20:40
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Peter Collins, Mike Hawthorn, Earl Howe, von Trips, Ivor Bueb, Joe Bonnier at the drivers briefing, Silverstone 1958

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Stirling Moss talks to Mike Hawthorn whilst Cliff Alison looks on at Silverstone 1958

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Tony Brooks, Wolfgang von Trips and Katie Moss with Colin Chapman just visible at Drivers Briefing Silverstone 1958.

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Alan Stacey and Colin Chapman Silverstone 1960

Peter Mallett
16 Oct 2008, 20:01
The Stacey shot is very emotive. Pressure or what?

Cub
26 Oct 2008, 22:40
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Lorenzo Bandini at Silverstone.

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Ron Flockhart in a Cooper at Silverstone.

Barry Boor
27 Oct 2008, 00:33
This last picture has got me beaten! Flockhart didn't drive a T.53 at Silverstone in 1960.... #23 at the British Grand Prix WAS a Cooper, but a T.51 driven by Jack Fairman, so when was this picture taken?

JeanL
27 Oct 2008, 08:52
Maybe
XII BRDC International Trophy
Silverstone,14 May 1960
#23 Jack Fairman Cooper-Climax T45
#12 John Surtees Lotus-Climax 18 ?

Roger Clark
28 Oct 2008, 13:33
Flockhart drove a Cooper T53, number 23, entered by the Brabham Racing Organisation, in the 1961 International Trophy.

Navyflier
29 Oct 2008, 15:07
I believe I took this photograph on Friday, 5th. May 1961 at Silverstone practice session. Dan Gurney knocked 3 secs. off the Production Car lap record in a Chevrolet Impala that day.

teegeefla
19 Nov 2008, 02:34
Any chance of a picture of that Gurney Impala? I have never seen a color shot of it. Thanks.

John Turner
22 Nov 2008, 10:37
Notice the rare Berkeley next to the MGA in the background of the last pic above.

Steve Wilkinson
22 Nov 2008, 12:19
Notice the rare Berkeley next to the MGA in the background of the last pic above.

... and a Lotus Elite.

:photo:

simon drabble
25 Nov 2008, 13:07
I have only just discovered this Archive section. Cub thanks for sharing these photos it brings back a lot of memories for me as a child at Silverstone.
The overhead shots from above the pits where we all used to go and I seem to recall (in fact weirdly I was only thinking about this a few days ago) that the cars used to line up in the paddock by what I guess must now be the miedical centre. I seem to recall a hut on the left (infield) and a wooden fence on the right with a path going down to some more buildings (probably along the current BRDC stand and Luffied building. This would have been mid-late sixties. Cub if you have a photo of that area I would be fascinated to see if my memory was correct!!!

Steve Wilkinson
25 Nov 2008, 16:35
The overhead shots from above the pits where we all used to go and I seem to recall (in fact weirdly I was only thinking about this a few days ago) that the cars used to line up in the paddock by what I guess must now be the miedical centre. I seem to recall a hut on the left (infield) and a wooden fence on the right with a path going down to some more buildings (probably along the current BRDC stand and Luffied building. This would have been mid-late sixties. Cub if you have a photo of that area I would be fascinated to see if my memory was correct!!!

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Above: 1969 British GP - the photo was taken from off the Pit Balcony over-looking the Paddock area. There is a wooden fence in the background that isn't that far from the balcony area.

Apologies to Cub for posting one of my photos on this thread.

simon drabble
25 Nov 2008, 16:42
that is definitely the type of fencing I recall. My strong memory (in fact my earliest of Silverstone) is facing the track (I reckon Luffield unless cars were released at Copse) with single seater cars waiting to go out and something like a scoreboard on my left and on my right behind the white fencing grass and single story huts/offices - sorry to slightly hijack it but as I said its been a vivid memory for probably 40 years and Steve your photo along with Cub's excellant ones has made me think about it again - halcyon days of motor racing.....

jamesholland
26 Nov 2008, 14:15
That would have been the Lucas scoreboard next to the gents loo - the coldest place known on earth I recall. Across the way were all the admin buildings (all wartime) and a gravel parking area for official cars. Past that was the Woodcote (no Luffield complex in those days, just the downhill run into the tricky Woodcote on the Club circuit at least) infield viewing area with a small open viewing platform - you couldn't really call it a grandstand - one of the best places to watch. Behind the admin buildings was the driver's changing room and the Pat Fairfield memorial (now at Donington) and Brooklands the gates.
I didn't ever think I'd be nostalgic for Silverstone but the place has changed out of all recognition.

simon drabble
26 Nov 2008, 15:16
James thanks for the confirmation. I am an odd fish in so much that Silverstone still excites me to this day but the old days of walking round the pits etc where great. When did it all change?

jamesholland
26 Nov 2008, 15:26
Early 1970s at a guess.
As a small boy I used to love standing on the pit top viewing balcony - a really exciting place to watch.

I remember the debris fencing being erected along the pit straight and how remote it made the racing seem. I think Silverstone was the first British circuit to be so afflicted.

I can't get excited about the place now. Every time I go (and it's rarely these days) it gets less friendly and more confusing.

Alan Raine
26 Nov 2008, 15:50
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Above: 1969 British GP - the photo was taken from off the Pit Balcony over-looking the Paddock area.

The big problem with the Pit Balcony, for marshals, was for ever have to tell people off for smoking. I was there a couple of times in 1973 and it was amazing how many people lit a cigarette and flicked the spent match into the Pit Lane!

Out of interest when was the Pit Lane raised. Cub's photo's show it at track level. I first went to Silverstone in 1970 when it had the ramp. When the pits were rebuilt in 74/75 it went back down to track level again.

Barry Boor
26 Nov 2008, 16:03
Raised just at the right time to ensure that Jody Scheckter et al didn't wipe out half of the pit personnel in 1973.

simon drabble
26 Nov 2008, 16:08
I remember standing above the pits - as a child it was the place to be!!! I was very lucky as we lived in a village close by (Greens Norton) and my dad was big buddies with the Smith's who owned the Saracen's Head and the top drivers back then stayed there... Now the Saracen's Head's banana split pudding was something else worth having! Tony Smith used to give me tickets to Silverstone whenever I wanted them and I would then bike over...

Alan Raine
26 Nov 2008, 19:07
Raised just at the right time to ensure that Jody Scheckter et al didn't wipe out half of the pit personnel in 1973.

Silverstone, 1973 the evening before the GP. Scheckter's M23 is the car at the back - perhaps his crew had too much beer which upset the handling:)

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You can just see the pit balcony in the background.




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