Formula Honda

right now ive joined the club, who else is on from the best single seater class in the country???

right now ive joined the club, who else is on from the best single seater class in the country???





What Monoposto!!!!!!:laugh:

Yeah Monoposto, ill agree with that Lola!!!

You have to support your formula but these FH kiddies do make me laugh with their claims

We've been here before.. but I agree the competition isn't that hot.. to consider

Brit F3
BOSS
Forumla Renault X2
FPA
Zip
Brit F Fordies
Southern F Fordies X 2
Monos
ARP F3
CC F Fordies
Midlands F Fordies
British Hillclimb Championship

Any other candidates??

Oulton FF1600

Monoposto could never be the best single seater class as it is for old has beens.

:banghead:
louis you are talking a load of @3^*~?!!!!!!

Has beens?

Amanda Whitaker (couple of years ago the fastest women in uk)

Frazer Corbyn (very quick and still in his 20,s)

Luke Kidsley ( very quick bareley out of his teens)

Phillip House ( still very yound and would shame many a Formula Renault/zetec driver)

Wayne Clarke ( ex BRDC single seater champion)

And the older ? drivers

Francis Phillips (regular podium visitor in a F3000 when he raced in Boss)

Jim Blockley ( may be getting on but very quick ...look at his lap times


:eek: :eek:

So you can see just from the few I have picked here , some very competative drivers and they are not what you would class as old!!! or has beens!!!!

Any one of those would more than hold there own in any national single seater championship.

Regular 60 cars at any meeting and some of the most competative racing in the Uk......and all Amateurs!!!!

YEP NORTH-WEST FORMULA FORD 1600 IS UP THERE-I AM BIAS THOUGH AS I AM IN IT!

Most of those guys you mention Lola... what cars do they drive? (incidently, Formula Honda runs a Jedi Chassis)
Oh, and Luke and Frazer race in FH too.
I agree with DavieR, and not just because I am in FH, if there was a better value series I'd be doing it. Outright lap record at Ty Croes? Sounds ok to me.

Think Formula Honda has really improved this year, although there are still only a dozen or so cars. In the late 90s, I remeber the series attracting nearly double.

There are race reports at www.geocities.com/parcfermeuk

Its probably about time the Formula Honda/single seater series joined the Monos, seems a bit silly having separate championship, when could be pooled together and have one single motorbike formula.

Spins, thought that was supposed to happen this year, but the BRSCC changed their minds right at the last minute

Originally posted by JR Ewing
Spins, thought that was supposed to happen this year, but the BRSCC changed their minds right at the last minute

Yep, I think FHonda was one of the series that the MSA was considering caning or amalgamating due to low grid numbers - but it escaped!

Lola not forgetting that i also had a few rounds in mono.......... good training ground i think just what luke kidsleys using it for......

I forgot to put Formula Vee on my original list.. surely the best (supported) championship in the country??

I note that FH had a grid totally 8 cars at Croft last weekend.... how can anyone claim that the series has a stand alone future?

there were 20 formula honda cars at cadwell park at the first round... with grids like that no wonder its a standalone formula

Surely it can only survive if the grids are consistant, ie at every circuit, there may have been 20 cars at Cadwell, but where was everyone at Croft, unless there was a 12 car pile up that we didnt hear about!

Well it was the third meeting in as many weeks. We will have to see how many go to Oulton Park next week!

I agree with AndyF
I was not out at croft because of the number of meetings so close together. I couldn't afford to do that. I still went to croft to watch and support the guys though.

I think people should maybe give FHonda a bit of a break, as there is a lot of bad feeling toward it, undeservidly. I did a lot of research on how to get into racing, and as I've said before, if there is a slicks and wings formula that is quicker, and cheaper, I'd do it. Mono is closest, and I may make an appearance in one or two races later in the year, but I think mixing fhonda with mono is a bad idea. Why would anyone race a 600 jedi against R1 jedi when they could have an R1 themselves for not much more money?

FHonda is as competative as it is because of the equality of the machines. Ask Luke Kidsley which is better. He's doing both, and even though his Mono is quicker, he's only really got one rival who can get anywhere near him. That's why I chose Honda. I can't relax, I have to push to stay wih the guys in front. I'm not at the top yet, in fact I've got a best result of 8th to my name, but it's a damn sight better to come 8th against equal machines, and hard charging drivers, than a variety of machines, where you don't know who made the difference, you or the car.

FHonda has a very steep learning curve, and that is why it deserves a little more respect than it is getting at the moment. I can't wait to be on the same track, on the same day, as the Zips. September 21st. Look out boys, it's time to prove FHonda is a real formula, and not a formula for reworked ford focus with a marketing budget and MSA approval. Sorry guys, but you are not the best value for money. £25000 and you are slow! (ok, you're on TV, but you look slow there too)

Sorry guys, but you are not the best value for money. £25000 and you are slow! (ok, you're on TV, but you look slow there too)

:laugh:

Can I ask what the deal with slicks and wings is?? And why is everyone so keen to race in a series that provides this, but is substantially more expensive than other single seater series, such as Formula Vee??

What do competitors in Formula Honda intend to achieve by spending this extra cash on such a formulae??

I have absolutely nothing aginst the series or the drivers, but I do have problems with series that waste everyones time at race meeting and thin out grids throughout the club arena. Hence why the idea of Super Coupes was such a superb idea and provides excellent entertainment.

the deal with slicks and wings is that it is far more comlex, and rewarding. Learning to drive purely on mechanical grip is essential, so FVee is a great formula to learn in, and cheap, but I wanted slicks and wings because.... um.... well, it's a damn sight quicker quite frankly. That's my entire reasoning. You can learn mechanical grip in slow corners, it's the quick ones that are fun in FHonda, you try taking Gerrards at Mallory flat!
Did seriously look at Vee though

Gerrards flat in an FF1600 not too tricky,
Zetec - tried it once - wasn't particularly successful!!!

Formula Honda - bla bla bla - best value - ****** ****** ****** - slick and wings - ****e ****e bla bla bla - better than FFord at £125,000 - cobblers cobblers cobblers - best formula, most growing formula in the UK - bla bla more ****** etc.

Formula Honda is an overgrown kart that has never really caught on - and won't. It isn't really supported by Honda at all. It is dwindling and has been struggling on for a few years now. No matter what anyone says, have a big shunt in a F600 (formula's real name) and you are in the hands of the gods - pure luck.
Always one or two quick at the front but the rest would be absolutely nowhere in a mainstream, professional formula like Zetecs or even Kents.
There is nothing wrong with it per se, but it does pee me off when all these (obviously very young) lads try to pass it off as something is most definitely is NOT.
At BEST, it is a club racing formula and looks a bit of a one horse race this year anyway........

Got to say I kinda hold the same opinion as JR Ewing on this one.

I'm sure its good fun to drive in, I'm sure its cheap too. But no one is watching F600 and they look like dangerous cars to be in a shunt in.

tim you sound like my gran

Jr Ewing- "Always one or two quick at the front but the rest would be absolutely nowhere in a mainstream, professional formula like Zetecs or even Kents"

kents ???? thats a bloody club series for old has beens

aaahhh
Louis, i thought you would take the bait quicker than you did!

A few short questions for a couple of you:

Firstly, JR Ewing. You seem to be the one bad mouthing Formula Honda the most so i'll start with you. For starters what exactly do you race? No bull about "having a quick go in this" or "having a test in that" what formula do you presently compete in on a regular basis? Have you ever driven a formula honda? Have you ever driven a Kart for that matter?!? If you have driven both then i wouldn't mind a go in that kart with a 110-120 bhp engine, wings and capable of smashing the outright lap record around Anglesey! I see you come from the midlands. Why don't you pop over to Mallory on the 16th of June and meet some of us? Come over and have a chat with us, take a look at the cars (if you are really good we may let you sit in one!!!). Don't judge us till you have had a proper watch of the races (this year) and spoken to us or possibly payng a couple of hundred pound to Jedi and having a go yourself in one of these so called "overgrown kart". I'll be there (number 22) so don't be shy!

Next on to 27Tim: Have you seen a formula honda crash? Has the person been hurt? I think i can predict the answer to be no! I know that you only think that the fhondas look a bit unsafe but didn't your mother ever tell you not to judge a book by its cover?!! What do you actually race? I think if you took a closer look at one your opinion will be changed.

Thats it for now as i have wasted enpough time at this damn computer. I hope to see JR at Mallory and 27Tim if you are free and its not to much hastle come over and have a look around.

Does anyone know how many cars were at Oulton?

Originally posted by Spinner
Does anyone know how many cars were at Oulton?

10 Starters; 9 Finishers

I note that the time difference between the front of the grod and the rear was in the region of 15 seconds..

The Fastest race lap was at an average of 95mph around Oulton Park. Not bad IMO!

I think the lack of cars is down to the running of 5 races in 3 weeks!

There have been seventeen point scorers so far this season - so hopefully more cars will be out next time!

Yeah there were far to many races at the start of the season which has all but crippled the grid size. Hopefully everything will be back to normal at Mallory on 16th June as the first round at Cadwell had 17 cars.

The lap time difference is so big because one of the cars is running a more advanced aero(wings and bodywork) package which is allowed in the rules and coupled with a good driver is giving him almost a second a lap advantage. As this kit costs over £2000 to upgrade to he is going to have an easy run of it this year as no one is going to spend that sort of money on updating the cars.

Shame as its a cracking formula!

....DAN FRIEL, the reason for the time difference between the front and back was due to one car out on slicks, NOT done to a driver. So take that away and everyone was within a few seconds of each other. Not bad seeing as this is the first or second season of car racing for many!!

That's a relief...

I think what Andy has said confirms that the series will struggle to survive..

The problem at Oulton was not the size of the field, or the speeds involved - it was just a dull, processional race!

Louis,

LoL, I just hope I don't look like your gran too! ;)

DSMJunior,

I don't need to see one crash to know they are unsafe, same way as I don't need to hit my thumb with a hammer to know its going to hurt! Old design, lack of head protection, no FIA crash testing, not much in the way of deformable structures etc etc...All points to an unsafe car to me, or perhaps I should say a car that isn't as safe as other more modern formulas. I'm not knocking it too much, its just my point of view, and why I wouldn't race them. As for my racing, I'm not sure what that has to do with the disscussion but I'm doing a full season in a slicks and wings formula.

i forgot to say...But as long as you and Louis are comfortable racing them and have fun thats all that matters...Have fun!

Thanks for the invite to Mallory, but I'll give it a miss. I don't think my g.f would be too pleased with even more racing circuits :)

Sure nothing is perfect, but for folks like us, father & son looking to move on from karts into a cheap single seater category, the Honda engined Jedi is absolutely ideal.
As the guy paying the bills, I looked at every option. For 9 grand I got a car with a stack of spares, which is quicker than Radical 1100's & most FF Zetecs, eg less than 1 second off the works Van Diemans at Croft, runs a virtually standard production engine(£400 from a breaker) sounds fantastic, great help & not expensive parts from Jedi. I could go on, but won't.
Not that it matters because we are doing it for fun, but people are watching as phone calls from F Renault demonstrate.
The, to me, vast sums quoted to do the likes of the new BMW, Renault & Zip are ridiculous. Our season costs will be around £5,000 mainly entries and tyres, which must be much the same as racing a Fiesta or Mini. And I'll have a car to sell if we decide to do something else.
Of course bigger grids would be great, though I'm sure the 20 at Cadwell will be repeated now we'll be at Mallory, Snetterton & Brands & not in the far flung North. All you doubters come & have a look, better still, hire a car from Jedi & give F Honda a go.

Sorry to upset you DSM.
I've seen enough F600 races since inception.
I was perhaps rather abrupt but my basic points remain factual, I believe.
If F600 (or FH etc.) does end this year as a standalone formula, as I undertand it will, I will not be celebrating at all.
I just think that people should stop trying to claim it is something it isn't. Promote it as a cost effective, exciting way into fast single seaters - not as an alternative to professional series.
Criticising Zips seems to be similar to what you are accusing me of doing to F600.
Zips are a different thing to FH and you cannot compare them at all.
Speed/looks are one thing - promotability and professionalism are totally different.
JR

I have raced in both F600 and more recently in Mono1200. I must say that the Jedi chassis is the best value for performance car I have seen. The mono 1200's are now regularly posting faster lap times the the 2 litre mono's. I watched the FH round at Croft recently and was very impressed with the standards. I hope FH manages to continue next year ... although I think some changes will be needed if it is to be successful. Possibly making an under 25's age limit??

Why would an age limit make it successful???

it would just exclude half the grid.. and you'd be down to 5 cars.

I think people moving from karting would rather compete against other young guys on the way up ... rather than go head to head with very experienced class specialists, who they are unlikely to get the better of in their first year of competition

ahh I see. Fair enough, but isnt the point of club racing more of a hobby than a stepping stone to a career??Also If it was me I would rather race against experienced Good racers where I could learn more. Dunno thats me lanyway, but I see where your coming from

Goin back to what DSM junior mentioned earlier bout having a shunt in a F honda I thought I would write to tell you about how safe the cars actually are. At Cadwell at the beginning of the year, i put two wheels on the wrong side of the kerb coming out of charlies 1 and lost the back end. the dirt did little to slow me down and i went head on into the tractor tire wall (to make it worse the tires were full of mud and rocks). I hit at about 100mph and it was my first real shunt in a single seater. However i sustained nothing more than brusing to my knees and shoulders. The car was destroyed but i jumped out and walked away. I am confident that the car is safe and that jedi hav designed it to be strong enough to protect the driver in a crash.

Why do people think that its the car that makes a Formula good? If this was the case, there would be 5000 HP versions of Formula Ones that are capable of 600mph! IMO, what makes a category good is:

1. Close Racing
2. Quality Teams & Presentation
3. Quality Television
4. A good deph of talent - not just one or two quick guys out the front.
5. Proven Path to Success (most important I believe)

Personally, I don't believe in one make formulas, because they don't show the technical knowledge of a driver (to set up and develop a car), but only show if a particular drivers style matches the set up of the car.

The proven path to success is the most important. If you want to be a professional racing driver, you have to race where you'll be noticed, in a relevant car. IMO, Formula 3, F3000, FFord are these formulas (including overseas championships like F-nippon and F-Atlantic etc). Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Mario Andretti, Rubens Barrichello, Jenson Button, (and ALL of the rest of them) went through these paths. To become a professional driver, I wouldn't race in a class that couldn't put a long list of big names beside it. On a world wide scale, even Formula Vee has produced a healthy list of successful drivers.

Although, I must admit, the car being raced should be a attractive and an advanced piece of technology. I can't comment too much on a FH, because I haven't actually seen one in person, but I had a look at a photo, and they look old - sort of like those "mini F1" go-kart hire places. Formula Fords these days are a sophisticated race car, and F3/F3000 are the same technology as F1, just scaled down a bit.

If you want to learn to drive wings and slicks, first you have to learn to drive without the wings. Steep learning curves are NOT the way to go.

Just my humble opinion...

I'm sorry, but I totally disagree.
They do not look old, they look a damn sight better than FFords.
The 5000bhp 600mph thing kind of killed your arguement for me anyway.

Are you racing again this year Phil? (churchman right?)

By totally disagreeing, are you saying that a good class:

1. Has processional, spread out, racing
2. Has badly presented and prepared cars
3. Has no television
4. Has no good drivers in the field
5. Needs no record of top quality drivers


Sorry, couldn't help myself :) Don't take it personally

BTW, in my opinion, Formula Fords look better. Just because they don't have wings doesnt mean they don't look good.

I've just finished fitting a set of cardboard wings to my wheelbarrow and the standard tyre is already a slick.
This:

A looks much better than a Formula Ford
B undoubtedly offers better and more competitive racing
C offers a cost-effective way into single-seaters
D are safe as I was OK when I hit the concrete gatepost

The above seems quite in keeping with the FH brigade in my opinion!

I think I have a picture before it was modified JR.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gateway/gateway_wheelbarrow_race.jpg

That's right. Mine's the one with the 2002 aero upgrade surging to the front.....

JR, I like the lime green colouring!!! lol
How the hell do you spend £2500 on an upgrade kit? Surely theyre better off going to Halfords for a stick on spoiler or maybe nicking one off a Nova. ( not that I encourage stealing.)

14 cars at Mallory. Not too bad...

And i tell you what, the racing was some of the best i have seen this year,The winner was going round Mallory in 46 secs,average speed of 103..The racing was very close at times, but also very fair.

You'd better tell MST their timing gear is boll*cksed as, according to them, the FASTEST lap was over 47 secs - or is this just more F600 exaggeration?

PS. Also, does anyone know why there are no other single-seaters entering these 'mixed' races, such as FFirsts, older Zetecs, Vauxhalls etc. - Where have they all gone?

Jr, the older zetecs have their own championship with 750MC, 4 Vauxhall Juniors are in Mono's, rest of them in Sweden as school cars and I think FFirsts are in racing car heaven! Maybe none turned out because they didnt want to drive over the top of the Formula Go Karts, (F600) in a crash!!!!! The thing is all these cars are eligable for Monos, in my opinion, they should all come together and there would be massive, fantastic grids.

agreed, pretty much.
Spinner you are too rude about F600s, even for me!

I appologise!, I think its because I have a splitting headache at the moment and was taking it out on F600. Dont worry, I have now taken Nurofen!

Mallory has to be the closest race of the year so far. The top three were covered by 5 hundreds of a second in qualifying and the top ten were all covered by a second. The race was just as impressive and there were battles throughout the field for the entire race. Its hard to now say that F Honda is not a close racing formula.

has anybody ever said that??

The fastest lap of the race 47.097 and the leaders fastest was 47.597 secs(that was me!!) I thought it was one of the best races of the year and I'm not just saying that because I won. :)

Yes correct, my humble apple-oges to you, my son was clocking you, he told me it was 47.7..not 46 as previously mentioned, he has now received a beating...
Agree Andy, it was a great race...

What a shame it was only 12 x 47 sec laps and not at least 20. Well done everyone, it was super to watch, must have been magic to race in.

I'm quite happy it was 12 laps actually as Nigel was going so quickly he probably would have caught me in 5 laps :)

I'm even happier it was only 12. I'd have been lapped by the MGF's if it had been any longer.

Nigel was flying but so was Jodie. In the race she was second fastest to Reuben. It was a fantastic race to watch and well done to everyone, Just wish i could be racing wiv you!

I wish the race had been 4 laps as our driver would have won! Having set pole by 0.001 sec. over Nigel we were hoping for a good result so 3rd was a bit disapointing. I thought Andy drove a great race and fully deserved the win, well done.

Just wondering but is anyone thinking about not going to Lyddenn Hill next month being as its a long way to go for only one race....

is anyone thinking of GOING??!!

I saw FHonda at Cadwell earlier this year and though it was quite good. After all, they are the fast things around the full track this year. Yeah, they do look a little flimsier than other cars but looks are deceiving. Nigel Reuben does a good job of killing the race stone dead by the first corner though!

At Lydden can't you do the single-seaters / handicap too?

I'm not terribly fussed for going to Lydden as its such a long way to go for just one race. If everyone else isn't going then I won't..

We'll not be doing Lydden, it's twice as far for us, though we'll be at Snetterton. What about you or are you Spaing?

I don't think Adam is doing Lydden and I'm not sure about Mark either as it's a long journey for him from the north of England. I will be a shame if it is cancelled however as the series needs all the suport it can get.

oh, Mark said to me at Mallory that he wasn't doing Honda anymore as he has a drive in the Formula Renault EuroCup??

He is still doing Honda but he is missing Snetterton and poss. Lydden. I here on the grapvine you have a few teams chasing you, so Honda is being watched by other teams!

A few Formula Renault teams yeah but the money to do even the winter series is silly money and I'm having very little luck at the moment attracting sponsors. Same old motorsport story unfortuntly!

Oh well, see you at sunny old Snetterton! :)

Andy

Sunny Snetterton! HA!! Could I have been more wrong :)

Just an official anouncement!!!

I am now not going to lydden as we have a huge engine problem (another Jamie Macbryde error) that can't be fixed in time for lydden. That is the reason for the lack of pace this weekend. I think for me that was my worst race yet and even though 6th isn't the worst result it just wasn't a good weekend for me. Anyway i will be back with avengence at Brands so hope you don't miss me too much!!!

See Ya,
Dave

Sorry to hear that Dave. I don't want to go to Lydden but don't have a choice at the moment as my folks are kinda forcing me to go to keep my points in the series.

Hope you get your engine sorted for Brands!

Andy

I will be joining david on the sidelines at Lydden as well. As i have some terminal engine problems.
Me and my father were so cheesed off with what has gone over the weekend at snetterton, our car will be on the market soon, but we will complete the rest of the other races though.

This years formula honda series has not been very good with these high nosed cars and the rest of the cheating that is going on, it makes it hard to compete. Which John corbyn seems to compeletely ignore. It will be lucky to see formula honda survive.

Perhaps they will call it Formula Corbyn instead next year!!!

How are people cheating?

Louis

Are you suggesting, as your last posting seems to imply, that high-nose Jedi Formula Honda racers are cheating? Do you know what libel means? And do you ever intend to back up your ill-considered comments by coming clean and enlightening the rest of us as to who really is cheating and how?

In 25 years in motorsport, which includes being around some genuinely quick guys who have gone on to win Grands Prix and World Championships, I've learned to translate the words 'the others are all cheating' as 'I'm not quick enough.'

Get real. If you think there's a genuine problem, why not raise it instead of doing your own formula down? What purpose does that achieve? In Tour de France argot, it's called spitting in the soup. If you feel you have a grievance, put in an offical post-race protest. There's a recognised mechanism for doing that. If nothing else, it might clear the air.

Those of you who recently slagged off Formula Honda because nobody lapped under 47s at Mallory recently: can I remind you that Tom Tremayne took pole position there in 2001 (on Dunlop tyres of harder compound than this year's Avons) in 46.937s and broke Lewis Carter's 1997 lap record three times, to leave it at 46.762s, or 103.93mph. And, no, Louis, it wasn't in a high-nose car but a bog standard - and fully legal - Mk IV Jedi, just like yours.

I hope you are back at Snetterton and have a strong race, because the formula needs all the good drivers it can get - especially as our old friends from Formula Zip will be there to show us how quick they really are.


David Tremayne

Now, now DT, you big bully, he's only a boy!!
Anyway, he may be right.I know for sure we're cheating!
(Just joking)
Louis, we know how you feel but, at the end of the day some of the guys with the 'old' bodywork have been pretty quick, DR for one. There's a lot more to it than that but we do think that some consistency and logical thought needs to be introduced re. engines, bodywork and weights before it's too late.
See you all next week?

For sure yeah. You missed me out of that post DSM :)

Sorry, Andy, thought YOU went without saying!!

I wish :)

Are you racing in the UniRoyal Team Challenge as well this weekend DSM? Might have misheard something here but I thought I heard mentioned you were going to be doing that as well. Looks like wicked fun!

Hi andy. (BTW this is PS not DS)Yes he is. Long story but he's 1 of a 3 man team in the 3 hour race. Not SEEN the car yet, let alone driven it but, as you say, should be fun.

You are getting rid of your car Louis? Please forward details to
james@jamesbaker.f9.co.uk
I may well be interested if the price is suitably low, bearing in mind it is an old low nose car with a buggered engine and totally legal parts so I'll not be competative.... just kidding about the last bit btw. :)

On the subject of cheating however I do have one point to make. I think cheating is defined as a deliberate breech of the regulations to gain an advantage. Strictly speaking my main rival up until now (Mark Hosken) has been "cheating" as he has a titanium exhaust that was not supplied by Jedi, as the rules state must be the case. Mark has effectively ended my hopes of the Scholarship class trophy by taking six points at Lyddon (while I sat on the sidelines with a holed crown, very upset and barely enough money to make the 6 hour trip home. Yes, piston broke, ****ed, and broke!)
Sorry.. Back to the point I was making......

I could have protested Marks fine drive at Lyddon but what would my allogations have achieved? Mark may have been penalized, but I would have been seen to be petty by the FHonda crowd, and a bad loser. Marks exhaust does not make him quicker, and he has run it all year, so maybe a protest might have put me back on top, but I am not here to win at all costs, I'm here to have fun. I would still have known that I can be quicker than Mark, but I would also have know that I wasn't quick enough often enough to keep my lead and had to resort to complaining about something that doesn't make him faster to stay ahead. Alianating a comunity and making excuses for my bad luck will not get me the big trophy this year, and I think we all have to accept that aero packages or not, it is still the guy (or gal) behind the wheel that makes the difference. This must be the case or Nigel and Tom would be untouchable, which I know isn't true.

I think Fhonda is a great series and I respect all of the drivers in it. It's a shame it isn't stronger at the moment, and I just regret that one of my sponsor screwed me out of a straight fight for the scholarship class at the remaining races. I'll be back at some point, but until then good luck to all. :beer:

Hi, James. Interesting point about the exhaust. However, the rules say that the exhaust must be 'as supplied by Jedi'. They don't say that Jedi has to supply it. Are you sure that Jedi have never supplied a Titanium, or Kevlar or other proprietary can? I think if you asked you'd find they have, and they also supply all sorts of different versions of the 'home made' one.
A very difficult protest to make stick, IMO. Anyway, half the field is running a 'non - Jedi' can!
I think that you would be hard pushed to find a car running that is 100% within the rules as written. For example we all run incorrectly sized and positioned rear lights. several cars have slightly modified undertrays and, according to the rules, we should be using F-W parts in our F-Y engine!!
At the end of the day these things don't make any material difference to the race outcome and I think your attitude is spot on - put your effort into your car and driving and you'll get there in the end.

Thanks DSM, good to see people actually read my posts. I know I wouldn't, they are way too long for me.

I also agree about the protest not sticking if I had ever seriously considered it. I know that my car does not conform in a few ways. For example, my novice cross is too small. The "all parts supplied by Jedi" rule doesn't include my carbon fibre chain guard or titanium pedals etc etc. At the end of the day, who cares? I don't think there is a car on the grid that could not be excluded for one petty reason or other. Hell, if we were going to argue the letter of the rules someone could have the Aero package of Frazers car. It has new style double element wings, but a low nose. Cheaper than the high nose and better than our current low nose wings.

I'm still not in a position to win races outright, and I think £2000 would be better spent down the gym than on a high nose. At least that is the case for me, as my weight, fitness, and driving can, and will, all improve drastically before next year. For some front runners that may not be so true. Tom and David felt it would be of benefit to have the new package, and only they know if it was worth it. Until we have the same guy run on the same day at the same track in both versions we will never truely know.

Good luck for the remainder of the season, and please let me know if you here of any FHondas available for next year.

Mine will 99% certainly be available for next. Will know more after Donington as I dont have the money to carry on past then.

Wouldn't rush to buy a car. There'll be a few available. There's a possibility ours will be with the F-Y engine. We've had a few problems with it but now we've found a decent engine man and sorted out some other things we're feeling quite confident. We'll see at Snetterton hopefully.
By the way, we have the 'Fraser' package of new rear wing with two piece double element fronts! Have had since Croft. you need to look more closely James!!

all this talk of folk selling their cars, is anyone definitely doing honda next year JB, are you gonna do the whole championship next year?

I can't afford to do it next year.... Is the championship still gonna be running next year ?

Hopefully, if the championship is running I'll be in it. Failing that I'll be in a Jedi for monoposto. Please keep me informed of what you are all doing, and when and if your cars are up for sale.

DSM, it's your fault I didn't notice the aero package, tell your man to slow down so I can get a better look. Seriously though, I had no idea. Really should spy a bit harder on the opposition.

Congrats Andy on a great showing at Brands. Really chuffed for you, and you got a prime pic in Autosport too! Well done. Shame you won't be running next year, but something will come up. I'm sure of it.

Thanks for your comments James. I wasn't expecting to win at Brands after the way the car was at Lydden but it just all came good after my dad and Paul stripped the carbs down and found a large chunk of rubber in there!

I am now sure what I am doing next year yet as I want to move up and have had several Formula Renault and Renault Clio teams chasing me to test with a view to racing next season, but I just can't find the funding. There is also the possibility of an ARP F3 drive but again its all money....

You going to Snetterton?? If so I will see you there!

Doubt it.
Money money money..... as they sing.
We'll see, there are a couple of lottery draws between now and then.

BTW, I swear I saw a blue Fhonda in Wrexham yesterday, anybody able to give me an idea of who might be trailering that through my home town?

Well the final meeting is coming up at Donington with what I'm sure will be a great double header.
David Scott has already been going on another thread about testing being on Thursday @ £390, since Friday is a track day. There was a rumour that we might get on the track day at £150 for the day, but it is not to be.
Donington themselves are running it at 98 dba and you must not go too fast or they will stop you.
Since we have not seen the elegibility guy so far I have quietly slipped in a Fireblade so don't say anything to Nigel R
See you all on 25th
Mike

Whats that you got under the engine cover?? :-)

Ooops didn't think you'd be looking, something about a new 7 valve head

Hehehe...Thats what I thought you said actaully.... :)

See you all at Donington. By the way who elses car was over the nosie limit by 1db at Snet? Mine was along with 3 others I think but god knows why as nothing has changed on the car.

WE were 1 under, Mark Hosken was over and I always thought his was quiet.
Did you fix your back end??
Ours went last weekend at Oulton in practice for the monos, 2 o/s rear bottom rose joints.

Yeah just got it fixed. Was it the same problem that I had where the suspension pulled out the chassis?

It was the 2 at the bottom of the rear upright. Dave said he went off because they broke, I think maybe he went off first.

Is that a 7 valve head like TT ended up with at Snet? Started off with 16!!
Am I to take it that the track day idea is definitely off for Donington? Is anybody testing on the Thursday and will anyone be staying overnight?

Originally posted by Andy Roberts
Was it the same problem that I had where the suspension pulled out the chassis?

Still claiming these things are safe for hefty shunts??

Mr. Ewing. What relevence at all has your comment to AR's posting?

DSM: I will be there on the Thursday but mainly because Donny is only 20 minutes from me. Doing it purely to make sure the repairs we have done on the chassis following Snet are OK.

JR: Why did you mention that?? I should have wrote it differently actually as it was simply that a bolt had broke which caused the suspension to pull out the chassis. And no, I wouldn't like to have a hefty shunt in anything, FHonda or otherwise.

No particular axe to grind gentlemen but previously there have been questions about the structural rigidity of the Jedi chassis and i read the posting as though these boits were just falling off...

Can see how it came accross that way but no it was just a bolt failure on mine that caused the problem.

Can't be much of your axe left JR, you've been grinding it against F Honda & Jedis for ages. Pity you sound off without any knowledge . Driven one, seen the races, talked to owners, the manufacturer have we??

Er, no, yes, yes, yes

Anybody know what the programme is for Donington? I'm told both races on the Saturday, 1 qualifiying. £6 a minute by my calculations.
Who's testing on the Thursday? We are, even though it's £390 plus £2 CC fee! David says it doesn't matter it's only my money!

The timetable for Donners is on www.mst-group.co.uk.

Looks like final regs were issued on 29 Sept, we've heard nothing yet from BRSCC
I'm rather peeved that both our races are on Saturday, one on each day is much preferable. Why don't these people to whom we pay our entry fees ask us for preferences instead of just imposing on us? Sending out regs late means it'll be too late to change anything. Or am I just being a, naive
and b, cynical.

I think they do it on purpose to put the other decisions into perspective and stamp their authority on us but, as you know I'm a)paranoid and b)paranoid. Is it me??

Ian, I can't get to that link. it says 'the site you are trying to reach does not have a default page'. Is this just for me?

take the last dot off :)

http://www.mst-group.co.uk

It must have been another site I was on that realised the full stop was not part of the address...

Of course, some people might prefer double headers on the same day as it still leaves one day of the weekend for her indoors and there is less sitting around

Hi all,
Just thought I would like to say on behalf of all involved in FH a big 'Thanks' to Mark for a great evening on Saturday - he did us all proud!

...well done mark, still dont know how you got that car in and out, even though I witnessed it!!!!

As for the night itself, I cant comment, as I was only there for half of it and even that half I cant remember!!

See you all at autosport if your going!

Congrats Mark! Was a great night.

So you feeling a bit better now David :) I'll be at Autosport on the Thursday/Friday trade days so see you there.

Isn't my esteemed son an embarassment, still even with him it was worth the 783 mile round trip.
I've just had a £50,000 race sponsorship offer, provided Formula Honda moves to Knockhill.

Does anyone know who does the super F Honda racereports that have appeared in the newsletter this year? I'd like to get hard copies if poss. So far there's not one for Donington, pity, any arms we can twist a bit to get one.

Any news on what is happening to FH next year?
Still seperate or joining Monos? While not a great FHonda championship fan (as I think it's too weak), I think with the Mono 1200s, a full grid of the bike engined cars could be sensational.

Big news coming soon,

Tell Tell!! I may have some big news soon too but I ain't telling that ;)

.....just putting the thread back to the top where it belongs!!

Formula Honda will be most welcome in the BARC se single seater series for next year.See item under heading single seater racing in the south east.Feel free to email me your details or enquiries.

Any idears who did the race reports on the web for F.Honda. I can't find it, now but I thought they were superb and very informative. Do you think we can get them to do next year's series?

If you mean the ones occasionally in the 10/10ths newsletter, they were by 'the special correspondent'! (DT?)

What is the 'big news' then?

Do you know what the web site address is for the F Honda race reports is?

http://www.geocities.com/parcfermeuk/page12

.....wait and see JR

Tell me then Dave! Drop us an email :)

Can't find the original, classic thread on FH!

Can anyone provide any update on what happening with this and the BRSCC single-seaters this year?

there was a car on displey on the brscc stand

i think FHonda had their own stand too with about 3 or 4 cars and one of them was for sale.

There's a full programme of races been announced by BRSCC. Formula Honda itself has been opened up to 2 classes: the original 600s + up to 1 litre which is aimed at attracting some 'blade engined cars. It does seem that other makes of Engine ( eg. R1s) will also be eligible in that class which seems odd butin reality is no different to last year when the series was the BRSCC Single Seater and all sorts of other cars were eligible.
Last year there was only 1 race, from memory, when a car other than a 600FH entered. (Andy Keeley at Cadwell)
Talking to several of last years runners they will probably run again because there is very little money about and any hopes of moving to a better Formula are low.
At the end of the day, even with the shortcomings, and there are many, there seems very little to compare in terms of performance for the money.

Originally posted by DSM
At the end of the day, even with the shortcomings, and there are many, there seems very little to compare in terms of performance for the money.

how does it compare with Mono 1200 ?

Friend DSM is a too pessimistic, the show was a frantic success with 5 or 6 cars sold and about the same booked for full season hire drives with Jedi.
Add these to the 18 cars already lined up, all Honda engined - a dozen 600 and 6 Fireblade a great season is on the cards.
Interestingly, the majority of show enquiries were from kart racers looking to move to a sensible car formula. When told that it cost the champion, Nigel Reuben, a little over £7,000 and third place guy £6,000 for the season some people were a little hard to convince.
Then comparing lap times where at Brands Indy the 600's are comparable with FF Zetec and the 1000's in spitting distance of ARP F3 it really is no contest.
Spending £25,000, £30,000, £40,000 or more, with or without VAT really does seem pointless at club level when this performance at this cost is sitting there.
In case anyone didn't notice, a Jedi 1000 did the first ever 100mph lap of Snetterton by a one litre car last September.
I rest my case.

how much is a car and how much does it tend to cost per weekend? I lost my leaflet I picked up!

Jedi have one or two they are selling for someone, for
about £7,500, maybe try haggling if you are interested.
Weekend costs are much the same as for anything else, entry fee, tyre wear, testing if you want to, petrol and a few beers on Saturday night.

Hey, Old ropey, I wasn't being pessimistic just realistic with the knowledge I have! What did I say?!
If the numbers are as you say that's fantastic. Who are the entries? Any chance you could send them to my e-mail directly?
Also, when we were at the show there was confusion about what the weight limit was going to be and over the issue of reverse gear. Have these issues been decided yet? I faxed CJ but have had no reply?
This is old DSM by the way not the ugly one.

I started motor racing last year and went straight into Mono1200 (whether this was a clever idea or not, I dont know. The level of driving standard is very high). However I will be participating in both Formula Honda and Monoposto 1200 this year. This way I get the best of both worlds. Jedi's are great value and easy to work on. The parts are fairly common and even good value when purchasing from Jedi themselves.

When comparing the performance vs costs, I dont think there is another single seater formula that can touch it. Zip costs in excess of 25k per year, formula palmer audi is almost 40k. Considering 1000cc jedi's are lapping pretty close to Arp F3 cars, I think it is tremendous value.

Assuming you dont want to become an F1 driver, then a small club (that could grow into something alot bigger over the next couple of years) like this could be well worth it in terms of fun.

Give jedi cars a bell (01933 440774) as they are very friendly and currently have a couple of cars and possibly drives available this year.

Hopefully see a few of you in March

Rgds
Jonathan

Originally posted by jonathanc
When comparing the performance vs costs, I dont think there is another single seater formula that can touch it. Zip costs in excess of 25k per year, formula palmer audi is almost 40k. Considering 1000cc jedi's are lapping pretty close to Arp F3 cars, I think it is tremendous value.


F600/Honda just goes on and on, doesn't it? The old thread was the best on here by miles and I've started a new one and its going the same way.

These cars seem to bring out very strong opinions. Some love them, some hate them - bothing in the middle!

Jonathan, how can you compare it to these classes??

Mono 1800 is cheaper and not a lot different to the 600 cars in performance. Regional FF1600 has pros and cons too, or even the new Online-Landlord series....

found it ! :)

thanks woodyracing :) just merged the two topics together.

Superbird. I am selling my FHonda from last year if your are interested. Came 2nd overall with 3 wins, 8 podiums, 2 lap records and 1 pole over the course of the season. £8250 if your interested then give me or my dad a call on 01827 284170 or 07966 494583.

My news from the show was that I have secured a 2 day test at Sebring, Florida in the Barber Dodge Pro Series as this is where I want to go next season, albeit if I can find the money. We funded the year ourselves last year (about £6k for the year) and can't afford to do it again without some backing.

May do the odd race if I still have my car but will come and watch some races as well. Could be a good year!

Hi DSM Is that right the ugly one will be back this year? Have to say that's not what my daughter calls him though.
The show was great, very busy with a lot of people in very serious discussion for what seemed like hours on end. There really are a good half dozen purchases and the same hire drives likely for this year.
As to the weight and reverse issues the draft regs quote 385kg and reverse optional. Personally I'm in favour of both as was everyone I spoke to. Looks like they will both be in the BRSCC regs which CJ says will be out shortly.
I'm working on the idea of setting up a "Jedi" Club since the numbers are growing and we should operate on more of an organized basis though not too organized!!
I'll let folks know once I've got something together.

......by the way old ropey, apparently CJ is after this years registration fee, as are the BRSCC!!!

Well you know what to do about it I don't doubt.
A bit hard up for a Saturday night aren't we??

We're ready to register but I would like confirmation of the rules - just in case the weight limit's 275 and some 10 year old comes in!! How many registrations are in at the moment?
We are strongly in favour of 385 and no reverse and, as you say, everyone we've spoken to is too.

DSM
Did you hear the 1,000cc has been confirmed. JC reckons quite a few will join us, if so there could be 30 or so on the grid which would be tremendous. Still, early days, I don't know who has registered yet.
What I think would be useful is a "Jedi" club so that we can aim to speak with one voice, to such as the BRSCC and the MSA etc. This occurred to me only near the end of the show but those I mentioned it to all felt it would be a good idea. I am getting the stuff from the MSA to register it with them once I am sure we can raise at least 25 members. JC and CJ both agree with it so I will carry on and let you and everyone know of progress. I would like to set up a drivers discussion at Snetterton to get a feel for general opinions as a first step.

I think the BRSCC are still pushing ahead with keeping this with its (poorly supported to date) single seater series which seems strange when combined with the numbers quoted above...

I hadn't heard that 1000cc had ben confirmed. Does this mean that Yamahas can run in Formula Honda??
Once again, not to be negative because I agree it's needed, but isn't our series co-ordinator there to present a voice for us? What difference would there be and what if the Jedi Club presented a different viewpoint than FH, who should the authorities listen to? It might be more useful to support CJ but perhaps be more specific in what we want him to do - and more insistent!!
JR, you're probably right but what difference does it make? As I've said before only FH's ran last year except for one car on one solitary occasion and the series was even referred to as FH by the BRSCC on most occasions - results etc.
Does anyone know what's happening with entry fees this year? With Octagon being in the mire, I wonder if they'll increase again?

Hold on guys.
Jedi Racing will confirm all the details within the next few weeks. They will be writing to jedi racers with the info in order to get an idea of the attending numbers and provide accurate info. There will probably be an additional sponsor too to help give FH a 'single voice' and raise the profile. I know this as Im working on the addition of the possible new sponsor. I agree that all the members need to work together to make FH an excellent series. Regular drivers meetings and discussion agenda's will be arranged. Co-ordination will be improved etc. More details should follow from Jedi Race cars soon as stated above.

Hi Jonathan. that's great news, here's hoping. BTW can you confirm the 'optional reverse gear' rule yet?

Hi there,
I cant comfirm the reverse gear ruling as yet. This is currently being sorted out by JC and FC at Jedi. Hopefully there will be some more news after the weekend. In the middle of trying to prep the car ready for both mono and FH. Trying my hand at spraying the rollover bar at the moment, but it could go horribly wrong. Fingers crossed.

Jonathan, are you the mono guy with the mclaren painted car?

Nope, afraid not. Mine is dark blue (with bits of orange on). I only did the winter series last year, but should be racing in both mono and FH this year.

must be another jonathan im thinking off then!! See you at the 1st round then!
.....and if it comes to a choice between the two, stick with FHonda!

Anybody know about the transponders we have to fit this year? Are they the £125 MST ones? I chatted to CJ last night. Does seem very hopeful for this year. If everyone who has said they will actually does enter, could be too many for a gid. That would be a rare sight!
He also confirmed the 385Kg weight and no penalty for the F-Y engines. That's good - we'll take the carb restrictors out now! See you at Snetterton!

DSM,
With no weight penalty, jnr will only see us in his mirrors as he flies off the line! No excuses now!

As for transponders, they quoted us £148 if we bought 10! £152 if we bought them individually. Thats was AMB i think. Apparantly, they are £130 through the mono club.

We can only hope Davie. However if you stay off the boose and lose a bit of weight you'll be the one looking in the mirrors!! Mind you jnr will be under your wing if he gets half a chance!
Is it the AMB transponder ? MST do all the BRSCC timing and their transponder, apparently approved by BRSCC is £125 + VAT which is £146.88 plus p & p etc. Were you including VAT?

my price did include vat. What JC was trying to do was buy a load in at once to get them at a discount. Maybe give him a ring and see if he's sorted anything.

Will do.

How many are registered for the series then?

dont know exactly andy, but hopefully those from last year plus at least 5.

It's looking unlikely I'll be joining you at the first few races. I'll be doing my best go get out for Anglesey and Oulton again this year, but I've been crippled by a sponsor who not only promised money and didn't pay a penny, not even their logo's, but after running with them plastered on the car front and back of the car all year, they have actually approached my other sponsors and given them all sorts of bull so I don't have anywhere near enough backing now. If anyone wants to help out there's a guy you can shoot for me.

Anyway, I've got a cracking event planned that should see me making enough cash to give old ropey nightmares. Young ropey better watch out too if it goes to plan, as I should have a decent engine too. (that doesn't mean I'll beat him, I'll just drop the engine on his foot the day before, or I could just invite him to ride a new scooter, that's quite effective at injuring him)

Please put me down on you correspondance list if you start up the Jedi club, and I'll get my bum back in one sooner or later.

Cheers
James

Spoke to JC. He hadn't enquired about transponders but said he would do. Anybody heard confirmation of rules and dates yet? Anyone actually registered yet?

Can anyone help? I need a Stack system speed sensor since my esteemed son, aka Young Ropey, knocked a wheel off and with it the sensor. Stack want £100 for 2 inches of aluminium threaded tube with a couple of wires poking out. That's what it looks like anyway. I've found someone who does an alternative at £80 + vat which amounts to the same.
Any cheap suggestions welcomed.

Didn't you read my other mail? I'm sure that it will be a standard transducer. Do you have a local RS or Farnell? get the bit to them and I bet they'll have something! all you need to do is solder on the original connector.

Do we have an exact number on ho many have registered or going to yet? Who is certain to be at the 1st round?

I won't the championship this year although I may come along to watch a couple of local races. I am off to Sebring in April to test for the Barber Dodge Pro Series and providing I can get the money together, I will be doing some of the rounds this year.

Good luck for all the Honda drivers this year!

Regards,

Andy

Good luck with that then andy. When does that season start? Let us know what your doing!

Dave

Yeah good luck with that Andy.
Does anyone have an idea of how many cars there will be this season?

Thanks Guys!

I heard on the grapevine that there were 14 but I don't know what engines people are using.

If anyone is testing at Mallory in the next few weeks I may see you there as I'm going to run my car so I can get back in the groove before the test in April.

Any ideas on numbers yet? Will there going to be more 1000's than 600's? :beer:

Heading for 35 or so, split more or less 50/50 600 & 1000
Be great if there's enough for separate races

Only problem I can see though is that for the normal spectator watching that the people running 600's will look mighty stupid when they are left for dust by the R1's. If they can be run as seperate races they should be.

Hi andy,
Good point but i think you will find that there will be a lot of very quick 600 drivers against some slower 1000 drivers. i was at mallory last wednesday and some guy in a "Spead" thing with a gsxr1000 engine was giving me a run but overall i was quicker. It'll be intereasting to see what its like at the first meeting but i don't think there will be a huge difference between the majority of the field.

...so who are the favourites this year then? 600cc and 1000cc? If Mr Reubens is doing 600 then surely he must be! Any big names entering 1000 class?

Looking at the Mono 1200 entry this weekend I think loads must be coming over?

I have nothing against Formula Honda and I would love to have a go in one because I am sure they are excellent fun, however any young aspiring single seater driver would be mad to enter the championship with the view to moving up the professional single seater ladder. Formula Honda for a start is a CLUB championship. It has little or no media coverage and a very mixed driving standard. This is not to say that they FH drivers are slow or bad, but the field as a whole is not as strong as Zetecs / renault or even zip.
Another point about FH - the lack of media coverage is a huge disadvantage as 60% of being a racing driver is about off track activities - personal image, networking, providing sponsors with value for money via PR - this is mainly achieved via the media

Some 'young, aspiring single seater drivers' can't raise the 35-40K needed to do FZ.
As for the strength of the drivers, on what facts do you base your comments on? I don't believe there is evidence either way that one series is better for advancement than the other.
As I've said elsewhere, there is no evidence that Zip will do anything for anyone other than Mr. Hines yet. Also bear in mind that a midfielder from 2001 FH finished 2nd in last year's Zip.
You're probably right that 60% of being a racing driver is about things other than driving ability. Mainly about how much money one has. 'Personal image, networking, providing sponsors with Value for money...... if only I had a pound for every time I've heard that; we'd be in FR!!! Sad but true.

I agree with you DSM. Its a shame that so many times people say FHonda is a bad starting point for young drivers who want to make a career out of it. I bet though that all the drivers who raced last year in it are better for it and without it would more than liekly not have been able to do anything else.

I'm certain that if myself and the other FHonda youngsters(do I still come into that :) ) from last year had £100k to go into FRenault or Zetec we would have taken it with open arms, but we didn't so for £5k we got a full season racing slicks and wings in a club championship, learning how to drive and setup single seaters which is an ideal way to prepare for a step up the motorsport ladder without breaking the bank first.

As DSM said a driver who ran mid-field in Honda finished 2nd in Zip and the champ from 2001 ran in the top 8 in Formula Renault when he could afford to race, despite not being with the top teams. I even remember him heading the times at a Snetterton test once against the likes of Lewis Hamilton who was in a Manor run car so its hardly a bad way to start your career.

Yes I know it doesn't give you the best amount of media coverage but when you are learning you skills on such a small budget you dont need all the coverage. Why spend £100k on a year in FRenault to trash your car every race or run round at the back as you've never driven or setup a slicks and wings car before. The media rip you apart before you've even started! Instead spend £5k running a car for the year, learn how to set it up, make your silly mistakes (i have) away from the media, then when you get the chance in a big championship no one expects to much of you and if you do well your the next big thing. Perfect way to get started it seems to me.

FHonda never will take over the spoils that Zetec or FRenault has but thats not why its there. Its a cracking little championship for drivers to learn there trade or just to have fun and thats what it always will be. I really do hope it does well this year and good luck to all the drivers again. There are some real quick guys and girls out there and hopefully next year one of them (please be me hehehe) will be making it big after learning there trade in thos little Jedi Pocket Rockets....

I agree with DSM and Andy R. Formula Honda is not designed to compete with FR or Zetecs. I personally think it acts as an ideal (and cost effective) formula for karters to get into single seater racing, or in my case for older guys (only 28, but I suppose that is old compared with some drivers) to have fun without needing to spend too much money or have to go professional.

I'd love to give ZIP, FPA or FR a go, but the money required is ridiculous. If I was serious I'd rather rob a bank and jump the queue by paying Minardi £2m a year :o)

I wouldnt sponsor a young gun in FR who had only driven in karts and then one season in say zips. I would expect them to have several seasons of budget single seater racing in order for them to understand the car more, enhance car development and not trash too many cars (costing way too much).

Jedi cars are good value and easy to fix. They give the driver the opportunity to understand car dynamics, mechanics and pain when it all goes wrong.

I agree that TV coverage would be excellent, but at £35k a year just to get on sky sports, is it really worth it? If budgets required big sponsorship then TV is a must, but at 5k per year, I dont think it warrants it.

Fun and Games

Ps. Went down to Llandow nr Cardiff on Sat for a test day. Spent 65 quid for just over 3 hours track time, was virtually the only person there and had THE BEST time....

Unfortunately due to losing a big contract in the last couple of weeks, my racing budget has been cut :(

This means that I wont be able to race in both mono and FH. So Ive decided to stick to mono and as it does not require additional membership to the BRSCC ontop of registration costs.

Also I need to concentrate more on my driving technique than podium positions this year, so more of a relaxing drive is required.

This also means that I wont be able to help sponsor FH this year, however having spoken to the organiser Im not too sure I would have even if I did have the cash.

I wish all those competing the best of luck, and I'll pop along to a few of the meets to see how you all do.

Rgds
Jonathan

this is my favourite thread of all time

ummmmmmmmmmm, why?

John - :laugh:

closed.

see new thread.