10 Tenths Formula One Predictions Competition 2002 - Final Results

So, after 17 rounds, the final results of our Predictions Competition can be announced... here they are:


Results of the Race - Round # 17 13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka)

Pole position = Michael Schumacher

Winner = Michael Schumacher
2nd place = Rubens Barrichello
3rd place = Kimi Raikkonen
4th place = Juan Pablo Montoya
5th place = Takuma Sato
6th place = Jenson Button


Results of the 10 Tenths Predictions Competition - Round # 17 13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka)

1 - 10 points = Carla O
2 - 9 points = 903cc, enemy-ace, hakkiman
5 - 8 points = Cougar21, Guy Goddard2, Mekola, mr v, nicholaswhite, Raven, SL, Valve Bounce
13 - 7 points = CleanTone, Daisy, Don K, Inigo Montoya, Lola, pb btcc, senna12, Spaced Invader, Toth, Tristan
23 - 6 points = Damon, eatapc, facco, FastJoel31, freud, Jay, JohnSSC, Kenny W., Maxmil, mtpanorama, Spritle, steve_r, the man
36 - 5 points = BootsOntheSide, D.R.T., Dani Filth, Kex
40 - 4 points = EERO, Mark F1, Number Juan, racer69
44 - 2 points = ®îjñtjûh, Baby Spice
46 - 1 points = DNQ, f1manoz, Minardi fan, Red


Current Standings after #17 round (13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka))

1 - 102 points = Valve Bounce
2 - 101 points = eatapc, Inigo Montoya
4 - 94 points = Damon
5 - 93 points = Kenny W., Mekola
7 - 92 points = Jay
8 - 91 points = Don K, Maxmil
10 - 90 points = mr v
11 - 88 points = facco, Tristan
13 - 87 points = mtpanorama, pb btcc
15 - 86 points = enemy-ace
16 - 85 points = Raven, Speed
18 - 84 points = Cougar21, Lola, RT
21 - 82 points = Red, SL
23 - 81 points = senna12
24 - 80 points = f1manoz, Toth
26 - 79 points = Carla O, FastJoel31
28 - 78 points = Bononi, paulzinho
30 - 77 points = Mark F1
31 - 76 points = Kex
32 - 75 points = hakkiman
33 - 74 points = Powered by JPM
34 - 73 points = EERO
35 - 72 points = AndyF, BootsOntheSide
37 - 71 points = alesi95, Jukebox
39 - 70 points = Daisy
40 - 68 points = D.R.T., DNQ, nicholaswhite
43 - 67 points = Mantis13
44 - 66 points = racer69
45 - 65 points = zetta
46 - 64 points = Ralf's Girl
47 - 63 points = bulldogspirit
48 - 62 points = ljakse
49 - 61 points = AlanJones
50 - 60 points = AMoffat
51 - 57 points = nameless, the man
53 - 56 points = con-rod
54 - 55 points = freud, Rick, Spudgun
57 - 53 points = Tom Fuller
58 - 51 points = Baby Spice, fastracer, M Power
61 - 45 points = Spaced Invader
62 - 44 points = steve_r
63 - 43 points = Wrex
64 - 41 points = Guy Goddard2
65 - 40 points = Spritle
66 - 38 points = botsquad, davebreen, Dickie Thrust
69 - 37 points = fast95pony
70 - 34 points = Crank Case, downforce, Number Juan
73 - 33 points = Mania
74 - 32 points = Marshal
75 - 31 points = Lewis, ozrevhead
77 - 30 points = RussianFriend
78 - 29 points = badoer fan
79 - 27 points = Minardi fan
80 - 26 points = bart_jacobs, Ed-f1
82 - 25 points = LucaBadoer
83 - 24 points = drexel, Ferrari Girl
85 - 23 points = Splatz the Cow
86 - 21 points = nickF1, Raoul Duke
88 - 20 points = 903cc, calais, mariov
91 - 19 points = kuchi, wreckless
93 - 16 points = f1truestory, freeze
95 - 15 points = JohnSSC, JuanF, Lee Janotta
98 - 14 points = Dani Filth, Legend
100 - 13 points = Faster, Miss Hardt, mjstallard, The Accomplice
104 - 12 points = TeddyG
105 - 11 points = BBKing, CleanTone, TickTag2
108 - 10 points = Matt Lucas, wheelie
110 - 9 points = andrew_marsden, Bibendum, JSC, Madman, rollhoop
115 - 8 points = Ajay, garcon
117 - 7 points = Andrew2001, Colin Mason, F1FC, Kretzman JB fan
121 - 6 points = JulianF1, Rogilio, Sonatrap, twig
125 - 5 points = Alan, aussie_f3, BD, DC2BChamp, f1canada, flyingduck, Gt_R, kwd, R_L, Schummy
135 - 4 points = bastinscully, dman007, Glen, jpmontoya_fan, julesdw, MiniMe, nicker less, Peugeot #1, racing_guru, Spinner, stevie.murray, Willie the Pimp
147 - 3 points = av8rirl, Dino IV, Epsilon, Jack_fd, PoweredByHonda
152 - 2 points = ®îjñtjûh, DC Highlander, Fuel, GanjaGrizz, MichaelH, Rambo, rcwatts17, swregor
160 - 1 points = com roadrunner, Daytona Donald

This means that Valve Bounce has won the competition. Many congratulations! :beer:

But, let's not forget that at the beginning of the year, all users were invited to predict the final WDC standings as well - the scores from this prediction would be added to the total score of points obtained from each round to produce an overall winner. We also decided to run this as a separate competition, just as Gerard did last year - the reason for this being that we wanted to give users who hadn't predicted WDC standings also a chance in the competition. So here are the final results, including WDC predictions:


Global Standings after #17 round (13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka))

1 - 110 points = eatapc, Inigo Montoya
3 - 109 points = Valve Bounce
4 - 102 points = Jay
5 - 101 points = Damon, Kenny W., Mekola
8 - 100 points = Maxmil
9 - 98 points = Don K, mr v
11 - 96 points = facco
12 - 95 points = pb btcc
13 - 94 points = Raven, Tristan
15 - 93 points = enemy-ace, mtpanorama, Speed
18 - 92 points = Lola, RT
20 - 91 points = Cougar21
21 - 90 points = Toth
22 - 89 points = senna12
23 - 88 points = f1manoz, Red, SL
26 - 86 points = Bononi, Carla O, Mark F1, paulzinho
30 - 85 points = FastJoel31
31 - 84 points = Powered by JPM
32 - 81 points = hakkiman
33 - 80 points = EERO
34 - 79 points = alesi95
35 - 77 points = nicholaswhite
36 - 76 points = Kex
37 - 75 points = Mantis13
38 - 74 points = D.R.T., DNQ
40 - 72 points = AndyF, BootsOntheSide, racer69, Ralf's Girl
44 - 71 points = Jukebox, zetta
46 - 70 points = bulldogspirit, Daisy
48 - 68 points = ljakse
49 - 67 points = AlanJones
50 - 65 points = AMoffat
51 - 64 points = nameless
52 - 59 points = fastracer
53 - 57 points = M Power, the man
55 - 56 points = con-rod
56 - 55 points = freud, Rick, Spudgun
59 - 53 points = Tom Fuller
60 - 52 points = Wrex
61 - 51 points = Baby Spice
62 - 48 points = davebreen
63 - 46 points = Dickie Thrust
64 - 45 points = botsquad, Spaced Invader
66 - 44 points = Number Juan, steve_r
68 - 42 points = downforce, Mania
70 - 41 points = Guy Goddard2
71 - 40 points = Crank Case, Spritle
73 - 39 points = Marshal
74 - 37 points = fast95pony, RussianFriend
76 - 36 points = badoer fan
77 - 35 points = Ed-f1
78 - 33 points = Minardi fan
79 - 32 points = drexel, LucaBadoer
81 - 31 points = Ferrari Girl, Lewis, ozrevhead
84 - 29 points = Raoul Duke, Splatz the Cow
86 - 26 points = bart_jacobs
87 - 22 points = mjstallard
88 - 21 points = nickF1
89 - 20 points = 903cc, calais, mariov, TeddyG
93 - 19 points = kuchi, wreckless
95 - 16 points = f1truestory, freeze, Matt Lucas
98 - 15 points = JohnSSC, JuanF, Lee Janotta
101 - 14 points = Dani Filth, Legend
103 - 13 points = Faster, Gt_R, Miss Hardt, Sonatrap, The Accomplice
108 - 11 points = BBKing, CleanTone, stevie.murray, TickTag2
112 - 10 points = av8rirl, GanjaGrizz, nicker less, wheelie
116 - 9 points = andrew_marsden, Bibendum, JSC, Madman, rollhoop
121 - 8 points = Ajay, garcon
123 - 7 points = Andrew2001, Colin Mason, F1FC, Kretzman JB fan
127 - 6 points = JulianF1, Rogilio, twig
130 - 5 points = Alan, aussie_f3, BD, DC2BChamp, f1canada, flyingduck, kwd, R_L, Schummy
139 - 4 points = bastinscully, dman007, Glen, jpmontoya_fan, julesdw, MiniMe, Peugeot #1, racing_guru, Spinner, Willie the Pimp
149 - 3 points = Dino IV, Epsilon, Jack_fd, PoweredByHonda
153 - 2 points = ®îjñtjûh, DC Highlander, Fuel, MichaelH, Rambo, rcwatts17, swregor
160 - 1 points = com roadrunner, Daytona Donald

Global standings = Current Points + WDC points

And in this competition, we have two winners - eatapc and Inigo Montoya. Congrats! :beer:

So in total, we have three winners. And I must say I am very happy about this outcome, as all three of you have done exceptionally well this year, so I'm very glad that we can finish the competition with all three of you as winners.

The winners will receive a 10 Tenths baseball cap, or alternatively a 10 Tenths polo shirt (only a couple left, and in small sizes only). Drop me a PM, and I'll send your details to Craig, who will then send the cap or polo to you.

Many thanks to Bononi for providing the software to make this competition very easy to manage. Thanks also to EERO for his help and efforts - especially at the beginning of the year - to get this competition going, and thanks to Wrex for helping out along the way.

Running this competition has been a fun experience for me, and I'll be happy to run it again next year.

Runar :beer:

R, let be the 1st to thank you :)

I'm sure I speak for all concerned when I tell you how much we appreciated your efforts, and the speed at which you achieved them.

Many thanks my friend :beer:

R, you da man! your prediction has been efficient, quick and infalliable. your dedication and commitment to this astounds me and the organisation you had to have put in it looks effortless. hats off mate, top dog, numero one u've earned a few pints from me at least :beer:

im 66th - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

well done all you winners, i reckon you did all cheat and im the real winner ;) - just joking well done, and i shall have to ask you about your philosiphy on picking the winners.

again, well done R :beer:

Many thanks R for running this competition all year.:beer:

Talk about quick and efficient service. Well done mate!:)

Great stuff R, your competiton was more exciting to follow than the racing itself!!.
Now about that wife I owe you.............




Regards


Guy

Great stuff R, and congrats to the winners Valve Bounce, Eatapc and Inigo aswell.

Great final round for me, think its my best one of the season.

Great season overall, certainly made it more interesting while watching the Ferrari team winning :)

I have points?? :eek:

1 - 102 points = Valve Bounce
2 - 101 points = eatapc, Inigo Montoya

Or, if you prefer,

1 - 110 points = eatapc, Inigo Montoya
3 - 109 points = Valve Bounce

How close can you get guys? Hip Hip Hooray!! X 3

You should all adjourn to your local Pubs or whatever for a celebration.

Many kudos for R also. It is a big job, and you did it without a hitch for 17 rounds.

Cheers Guys!

I just realized that if you add up the points for the three of them, they all scored 211.

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Originally posted by ®îjñtjûh
I have points?? :eek: Yes.
You had both Raikkonen and Button in your top-6.

so hang on...is the maximum amount of points for winning the world championship prediction 10 points? cos i got 10 points if it is.

god dammit...why can't i be good at the race-side :banghead:

40th and 35th, just scraping it into the top 25%. Not bad, let's see about next year...

Thanks to R for being very efficient with the results. :beer:

Thanks R,
The contest is about the only thing to make the F1 season interesting this year!!
5th equal is no disgrace. Looking forward to next year.

My congratulations to the winners! Bouncey, you did a terrific job and Congrats to eatapc and Inigo for making it a very close competition.


My Thanks to R for putting this together and doing such a great job.

Early in the year I suggested that the winner would recieve a prize and I didn't anticipate THREE winners, so give me a chance to sort this out and your prizes will be zooming to you soon.

Again, my thanks and congratulations!

Thanx a million! Has been a great season... Shame I missed a few races at the beginning...

Thanx R for a great compotition.... I just hope we get to see you participate next here aswell... Im sure our fellow members wont mind... No use you doing all the work and having none of the fun... What so you other guys think????

Next year I'm gonna win:laugh:

Originally posted by EERO
My congratulations to the winners! Bouncey, you did a terrific job

Well, let's just say that Ralf made it all possible when he forgot to save his engine. :laugh: :p
I must thank Runar for this competition, because it certainly kept me interested in the F1 race. It even had me cheering for the two Ferraris :rolleyes: and kept me from falling asleep. Without this comp, I would not be watching F1 races on TV.

Yes!! I think R should be competing also. :)

I missed Final Round, but heyyyyy, what the heck, next year I´ll fight for VB´s title !

Congrats VB !

Congrats to Valve, and congrats to Inigo for catching me at the end. I was stupid for not sticking to the conservative strategy that worked for me all year long -- I wanted to win it outright in a blaze of glory. The 3-way tie for first was, in my case, pure dumb luck.

Let's hope for some real racing with less predictable results next year.

And, as usual, great job, R!!!

Congrats guys. Good game. <shakes hands>

Thank you very much R.

And i would like to send my comiserations to Wrex, Moff, AJ & F1manoz who all finished below me.:laugh: :laugh: :p :laugh: :p :laugh: :p :laugh: :p

Congrats to the winners, but watch out for me the next year!

Originally posted by R
[B]So, after 17 rounds, the final results of our Predictions Competition can be announced... here they are:


Results of the 10 Tenths Predictions Competition - Round # 17 13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka)

1 - 10 points = Carla O

Current Standings after #17 round (13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka))

26 - 79 points = Carla O, FastJoel31

Global Standings after #17 round (13/10 Grand Prix of JAPAN (Suzuka))

26 - 86 points = Bononi, Carla O, Mark F1, paulzinho




Woohoo! 10 points!
And considering I didn't enter one or 2 races and considering as well the fixing that has happened I'm quite chuffed at this! :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate:

Congrats to the winners !!!!

Thanks R, great job !

And don't forget next year guys ! Just to keep the competitive level and stop Valve's dominance... next season we will be adding a "ballast" to the winner of each round... erh... sorry, the winner will be penalized losing 10% of the points achieved in the next race, and will lose 10 places if he manages to win twice in a row... and... arghhh !!!!!

Good job R!

26th and 30th, not that bad. :D

Originally posted by Number Juan
so hang on...is the maximum amount of points for winning the world championship prediction 10 points? cos i got 10 points if it is.

Maximum number of points for WDC predictions is 12 points. No one managed 12 points, or 11, but you, along with several others, achieved 10 points.

Also, thanks for all the kind words from so many. Bononi's software made it very easy to run the competition, and the work I did do was very enjoyable. What I will wish however, is for next season to throw up some more variety in the results, to make the predictions more interesting and diversified. And, perhaps I will compete next season. :)

I'm thinking of that too, R... anyway I'll PM you with some ideas... ;)

If I only hadn't forgotten about it until round3, an missed at least one other round, maybe I could've hit the top 10. Still, I'll see you in 2003, hopefully the results won't be so predictable.

My congratulations to the winners as well. I played faves a couple of times, and it cost me, but it was fun nonetheless. Thanks to R for running the show....I certainly know whose picks to study next season! ;)

As for suggestions, how about adding a "guess the pole time?", for a bonus point or two. :)

Bugger! I emailed a certain fan of Minardi to ask him to post my predictions for me, guess he never got my email. Still, never mind, still beat him;)

Not hard to beat a guy that picked a Minardi 1-2 at every race ;)

:eek: D'''uuuuuhhhhh!!! Actually my last prediction which was absolutely fabulous (and if it came true it would have been an Internet legend) could strike one of the 2 goals: Either win the competition or become the first prediction ever that scored a zero points!!!! Dammit, I failed both of them!!! I scored 1 point!!!! :laugh:

Many thanks R, and congrats to the winners. But be very much afraid, next year I'm winning it. I mean it!

:) :beer:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THESE RESULTS!!! I MISSED A RACE AND IT WASN'T MY FAULT!!! BAH!!!!! :(

But seriously, cheers R. :rotate:

Here's a suggestion for scoring next year. (This is how a few other sites on the Internet do it; it's a more fine-tuned scoring system, and allows extra points for accuracy, which might make things more interesting.)

Scoring:

You score points for each race based on how well your picks match the actual race results. For each driver that you picked, you score points based on where the driver finished versus where you predicted he'd finish:


didn't finish in the top 6: 0 points
finished exactly where predicted: 10 points
finished 1 place off from where predicted: 6 points
finished 2 places off from where predicted: 4 points
finished 3 places off from where predicted: 3 points
finished 4 places off from where predicted: 2 points
finished 5 places off from where predicted: 1 point


For example, if you picked Villeneuve to come in 3rd and he did finish 3rd, you'd score 10 points, but if he finished 5th, you'd score 4 points. If he finished 7th, you'd score 0 points.

Your total score for a race is the sum of the points scored for each driver in your pick.

Picks may be carried over for one race

If you fail to send in a pick for a race, or if your pick arrives too late to be counted, your pick for the last race will be used again, but it will only be carried over once (so if you fail to enter a pick for race #3, race #2's pick will be used, but if you fail to enter again, race #2's pick will not be used for race #4).

That was a good competition and provided some interest in an otherwise boring season.

36th with an average of 5.8 points per race. And I missed 4 races. Not bad. :D

Congratulations to all winners!
Thanks R, Great job!:)

Where am I .. 56th?? :banghead: always the worst at predictions;)

Yes eatapc, I like that! :) I believe there's plenty of time and we can comeup with even more ideas. For example: Finished 1 place off might be improved a bit:
Predicted 1 finished 2 - 6 points (or something)
Predicted 5 finished 6 - 3 points (I guess that finishing a place off the first weighs more than a 6).
Predicted 5 finished 6 - 4 points etc...

Nah, Tristan, you pressed the "back" button in stead of "submit". :p But, look on the bright side - you wouldn't have won anyway. ;)

eatapc's suggestion is definitely worth noting. If a driver you picked for 2nd finishes 3rd, then you have definitely made a better prediction than if he finishes 6th, so perhaps this also should be reflected in the scoring. One other thing I notice, is that eatapc's suggestion provides us with the Formula One way of scoring, with points distributed being 10,6,4,3,2,1.

I'm not a big fan of carrying over picks, but if many are in favour of this - and provided we keep it limited to a couple of times per season max. - then we will consider it, provided this can be handled in the software. And Red, I think I understand the basic principle of your suggestion, though I think you made a typo in your post (you have "predicted 5 finished 6" twice). :)

ok, wanted to say "predict 5 finished 4," for the second of them...:oops: The exact amount of points can be discussed....

Uhn... still think that if you didn't make your entry you can't compete...not fair with others.

Yeah. You've gotta make the effort if you want to do well, even if your 6 drivers would be from Ferrari, Williams and McLaren anyway.

Originally posted by Kex
Yeah. You've gotta make the effort if you want to do well.... But we should make allowances for an isolated failure to enter in order to keep people in the contest. We're all human, and we're all busy, and sometimes we forget important things. Furthermore, "stuff" happens: computer or ISP goes down just before the deadline; car or train breaks down and you get home too late; you get stuck in a meeting or a class or the mall; you go away on vacation and belatedly discover that you have no access to the Internet; etc.

I hate to see people drop out or lose interest because they accidentally failed to enter one time.

Hey eatapc ! Your speech sounds like : "Come on, give the guys a chance ! Let's see if they can beat me !" :laugh: :laugh:

Following the "ballast" idea, as the reigning champion you will start with -10 points for next season ! :laugh:

Originally posted by eatapc
Furthermore, "stuff" happens: computer or ISP goes down just before the deadline; car or train breaks down and you get home too late; you get stuck in a meeting or a class or the mall; you go away on vacation and belatedly discover that you have no access to the Internet; etc.


I see your point, but then again a person doesn't have to wait until Friday night/Saturday morning before they do their predictions. There's ample time to do them really. OK there might be a few people who can't predict until Friday night, but for the majority....

For whatever it's worth, I don't think we should fine tune the scoring to much. The humble pick six for the race finish with the one or two point scoring has stood the test of time. What I would suggest is picking the first six qualifiers the same way we now pick the race finish. This is easier to do - at least the scores seem to come out higher for the qualifying - but adds to the overall fun IMHO.

Originally posted by Maxmil
The humble pick six for the race finish with the one or two point scoring has stood the test of time. What I would suggest is picking the first six qualifiers the same way we now pick the race finish. I don't think the "test of time" argument carries much weight in this case. There are many other sites on the Internet that have bigger and more popular F1 prediction contests, and they don't use our "humble" system.

Our system is simple to score, but that's all. With a computer program, a more complicated but fair system can be implemented.

As far as giving equal weight to qualifying -- I don't think so. There are no points for qualifying in F1, and the results tend to be more predictable anyway.

The future of the competition was very much in the blue after Gerard became unavailable, and what we decided - with very little time to spare - was to keep the same rules as he had introduced, the only alteration being the introduction of a point for pole. We even kept the same end of season rules, which in reality gave us two competition results. One thing we have decided already - no matter which format this competition takes on for next year - is to make sure we end up with one winner, and one winner only. So we'll need some rules to separate the competitors in case of a tie.

So soon after the season has finished, we have not yet had much time to discuss alterations to our current format. But we have a lot of time now to consider this, and in the mean time, constructive feedback is always welcome.

R (and anyone who also might have noticed!!): pretty good tactic, huh?? Every two weeks.... POST THE SAME!!!

Pole TGF

1. TGF
2. Rubens
3. JPM
4. Ralf
5. DC
6. Kimi.

AND IT WORKED!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Congrats Valve, I guess you voted red...

So what does Valve get a Ferrari or something?

I know, you get to watch all this years races back to back on one continuous tape. Until the beginning of March next year.