Is rubinho ever going to get a good car?

Its a shame that the never breaking Ferrari has failed 2 times out of 4 and the unluckiest driver who got it has to be Rubinho. Does Ferrari need to do that much to make sure there is always an #1 and #2 driver?

Tell us what they did this time to prevent Rubens from winning Ace, because I have no idea with what sort of conspiracy they came up with today.

You didn't know that Rubinho's Ferrari broke down?
Why is it that the one of the Ferraris is realiable as it only can be and the other one isn't? the answer: they are not the same Rubinho gets the short stick, thats what Ferrari is doing to prevent him from winning.

Whatever happened we can all have our assumptions but thumbs up to Rubens for completely dominating Michael and outclassing him throughout the race. Ferrari must be wondering about the 40 million dollars they spend on Michael?

Agree with you Freud. Luca M said today "there will be life after MS" and I would not be surprised that in the next race he will be in the Ferrari garage making sure Rubinho gets fair treatment. Haven't we seen that last year?

Whilst I dont really subscribe to conspiracy theories, I do wonder whether some teams are able (or willing) to produce two top quality cars.

As has been said, If a Ferrari breaks, It is Rubens car. If a Jaguar Breaks, It is Herberts. Last year, it was always DC's McLaren that broke.

I'm not suggesting conspiracy, more a case of rescources.

Three times this season MS has outqualified and outperformed Barichelo. Once the opposite happens and you open your big mouths. Think how you'd feel in MS's place. I know what he said (that he does not treat Silverstone differently) but I don't buy it--look how he backed off from Ralf. MS has never liked Silverstone--he's won only once and, moreover, it was not a very clear win. Next round, I predict business as usual--MS outperforming RB.
As far as Barichelo is concerned, he again cracked (showing his lack of determination)and let DC overtake him for the lead. But that hardly surprises me. After all, he was second to Eddie Irvine at Jordan.
Peace

[This message has been edited by Rated R (edited 23 April 2000).]

Er.

A little harsh but you tend to reflect my views. RB is good but not very good. Schumacher, for once, proved how human he is and in the end got home with 4 points. RB made a mistake whilst leading (sorry) holding up, the rest of the front runners and let DC pass. It was not, however, his fault that the car broke. He would have finished third if the car hadn't failed because MH would have passed him too. ;)

Rated R, read this statement from Rubens. Once again his ferrari broke up.

"Around five or six laps before I retired I started to feel there was something wrong with the car. Then I began to have problems with the clutch and the throttle. That is why Coulthard managed to pass me. I spun because of the erratic behaviour of the engine, which almost died on the entry into the corner, before the power suddenly came in again. I decided to pit, but there was nothing to be done. It was a problem with the high pressure hydraulic circuit, similar to the one in Brazil, but for a different reason."

Second to EI at Jordan??? In your dreams, get your facts right.

In Australia and Brasil RB's lap times where much faster than MS's.

Funny then Ace that he didnt win either race, but oops I forgot conspiracy theory, wonder was there someone on grassy knoll out to get Rubhino :)

Give credit where its due, Rubens was fab in qualifiers and indeed outclassed his teammate but in race he always looked edgy and I think passing by DC was not due to problem in car just good move( and it pains me to compliment DC :)
For TGF damage limitation and 4 points, and I dont care at whose expense they were got. Rubens is good just not that good...whole season left and as long as he doesnt start pouting will get his deserved victory.
As for Ferrari wondering bout their $40 million spent on Schuey, 34 points from 40, 3 victories oh I'd say they are crying alright :)

Well, Ace, I have to agree on that one. Barichello was not second to Irvine in Jordan. He finished in 6th place with 19 points in 94 (Irvine was 14th with 6) and was 11th in 95 with 11 points (Irvine 12th with 10). But for Australia and Brazil I have to disagree:
Australia: QUAL: MS-1:31:075
RB-1:31:102
Race fastest lap: RB-1:31:481

Brazil: QUAL: MS-1:14:508
RB-1:14:636
Race fastest lap: MS-1:14:755
I'm not even going to talk about Imola. No matter how you slice it, MS was faster than RB in Australia and Brazil combined.
Peace

As Freud Sr. once said, "Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar."

That is, sometimes the car breaks because sometimes cars break. Especially F1 cars. This in no way takes away from Rubens' storming drive up til that point. And I would not be surprised if he wins a race real soon. Before he goes to McLaren.

I did notice however, that Cranky Mika started in 3rd place and never got any higher than that except by attrition. Personally I think he is a quitter. But that is only what I think.

How will Ferrari win the Contructors title when it has one of it's cars not scoring points.

Liz, Mika is still my fave, but I agree with you about his determination. I think he showed a lot of will in '98, but that season may have been the anomoly. I suspect his drive and passion are gone. When things are going his way, he's fast and precise, but when he isn't in the class of the field, he is pretty lackluster.

"thumbs up to Rubens for completely dominating Michael and outclassing him "...er me thinks that should be "thumbs up to Jacques for completely Blocking and Slowing down Michael "

""there will be life after MS"
He meant Mick Schumacher in 2020...Ace ! ;)

hahahaha, blimey, another conspiracy theory... ;) I think that there is going to be a conspiracy theory if there is a race without a conspiracy theory, if you get my drift.

Ace, you are silly ;)

There it is said.

Wouldn't Schumacher (and dont forget Ferrari) be in a better place if if Rubens won the race, with the silver bullets in 2nd and 3rd??

Ferrari used a device that by remote control leaked all the pressure out of the hydrolic system in Rubens car. Someone has to drive the other Ferrari car, What they excpect to be able to win????

Poor rubens :(

Wit is thiz ?

Did I said once that Ferrari or MS or both conspired to give Rubinho a car that would retire? I’m pointing out the lack of competence from Ferrari to provide both drivers with a winning car. Resources someone said, What, isn’t Ferrari the richest team in F1? Couldn’t they afford enough resources?

You people go about thinking that you are lawyers of MS/Ferrari and don’t relax for a minute and think that 2 break downs in 4 races is a terrible record for the amazingly reliable Ferrari.

Ace, if you are saying that Ferrari continues to focus their efforts behind TGF and that it is inevitable that one car, under the pressure of preparing the team for the race will prepared more carefully, AND that it is inevitable that that car would go to Schuey, then I agree with you.

If you think its an intentional conspiracy to subvert RB"s campaign for 2000, then I would say you are wrong.- But I don't think that that is what you are saying, having re-read your comments.
I honestly believe that RB has set himself up for a very frustrating season and that he will not get the full full effect of ferrari's efforts.
It is not to screw him, per se, its just that Schumacher is is the "squeaky wheel" that is getting greased.

Ah, so his traction control failed...well thats ok ;)

Send him over here and I will show him grease so he'll never get over it. :)

It's Just Bad Luck. Nothing more. Bad enough, but nothing more.


P.S. to Eero, that is just what I meant. No direspect to the Cranky One, but some people are just not fighters.

You know, Liz, he WAS a fighter, having recovered from Adelaide and his entire season in 98 showed lots of what the Finns call "Sitsu", loosely translated into English as Guts, grit or determination. But now that he has tasted success, and has proved himself, and has a very devoted wife, I suspect that the lure of life outside of Racing is growing. Its my bet that he'll pack it in after this year. DC is still hungry and McLaren wilol be focusing their effort behind him before the season is over.

what has rubens done to deserve all this praise, except to be totally outclassed by schumacher. the pole posittion at silverstone was just good timing period. add one minute to the end and he would have been relegated to third or fourth on the grid. As for the race if it were either schumacher or the mclarens up front do you really think frentzen would have been in the fight. No disrespect to HHF but the jordan's are not in the same league as the mclaren's or the ferrari's. Personally i think Barrichello is a good egg, but he is not performing! Maybe he should follow schumacher a lot more closely to learn how to setup the car.

rubens just has bad luck!
same as DC
so does mclaren favour hakkinen?
they favoured MS so they made RB another DNF so that DC and HK can have more points??? come on... it doesn't make sense!
rubens just has bad luck, no conspiracy here

Ace, I think that you feelings against MS are making you totally senseless. It sound foolish that Ferrari is going to give up a race wil, 10 points in the CWC nad benefit a McLaren 1-2 to promote MS to third.

As per Rubens outqualifing MS, it is something possible, it will ocuur two or three times this season, but that does not make Rubens better or Michael worst, it is just luck, strategy or preference for one circuit or another.

This is just a little theory of mine, probably not applicable to this situation, but could it be possible that some component failures are caused by the driver? If one driver goes hard and throws the car around, while the driver who smoothly guides it and is easy on the machine is more likely to come home with the car in one piece.

CrashTest ! CrashTest ! CrashTest !

Maaaaan you nit the hail on the dead...er..i mean the bail on the bed..eeesh no what was that sail on the lead ?? eeeks whats happenin'...the pit on the ped...no no now c'mon willya !?? aaah yes ...YES !!

The nail-on-the-head....phew!

...and believe me its not the last weve seen of Dusbin Barrichello's antics !!!
Brazillian magazine says Dusbins fav band is AC/DC...so "blow up my viiideeeo !!!"

Its not that i hate Dusbin but in F1 one has to understand that u have to be upto the Jacques/Heinz/Hakks class of drivers to even think (imagine) of comparing ones talent with Michaels'. Gotit? ;)

Downforce, it must be tough for you watching a 'dustbin' make MS look like a pony during this weekend. ;) Is it that the dustbin has a 1 second faster car with traction control?

AC/DC ? In another planet maybe ! RB loves
"Zezé Di Camargo & Luciano", a kind of romantic country (argh!)... that seens to fit
most in his personality than a bunch of drunken guys playing guitars...

How about this:

This could turn into a chicken / egg type thing, so forgive me...

These figures represent yearly salaries in British Pounds

Michael Schumacher £19.1m
Rubens Barrichello £3.5m

Mika Hakkinen £6.3m
David Coulthard £1.7m

Is it just possible that the teams are behind the No.1 drivers because of the money it's cost them (... or their sponsors ;))?

Or is it that the driver has to earn the wages by producing the goods the previous year? If so, why does MS command THREE times what the World Champion does?

I suggest that it's simply a case of a team doing all it can for it's primary player, and the second man (the substitute if you like) is there to clean up after a mess!

Sparkster: Your theories are too grown up for us, I'm sticking with the aliens and Senna's ghost theory ;)

Yeah Sparks!
Please dont make sense for no reason.... ;)

WHY is Shuey paid so much??
Oooops i havent the faintest clue...er...maybe its bcoz his driving helps Bill Gates thru Hotmail+Chats+Forums...and all of us who come together from different countries to try our very best to discuss the brilliance of Torro Takagi and Rosset once in a while...maybe

It'll be a very short discussion.

;)

The truth is that they just put all the good bits On car no 1 the other car is just for testing new parts maybe gettin a few points not that important of course the equpiment will be cheap to an extent.

Geez, I must be loosing my mind! I thought that that Rubins lost it in a turn, then did a really bad donutand a half, then went across a bunch of really soggy grass at slow speed. That lead to his car breaking. Thanks for enlightening me about the subversive goings on at Ferrari. How could I have missed it?

Ah, didn't the car fail first, which put him in a spin?

If Ferrari wanted RB to play second fiddle to Michael Schumacher, like you all seem to think they do... well RB would get equal equipment - so as to stop the McLaren's taking away points from Michael and IF he was in front, just move over.

that hasn't happened. RB's car broke (some say it was a driver error, I don't think so) cars break you know

Well it was probably a macaroon hacker with a Gr092 remote control flipping the hydraulic servos so cubehead-jawbone could take the lead and then give it over to no more tears so that the reasonable theory of highest $$$driver gets +++equipment proved true. But ego gets in the way. Dustbin just can't win, the macaroons and his own team is against him. Poor sap.

Ya see! I knew I was right...