Aysedasi 17 Mar 2003, 19:52 The second prediction comp (assuming you've read the first!).
Again, a very simple concept - just predict the pole time and the car.
For guidance, last year's pole time was 3m29.905s Can't remember which car...... ;)
Again, overall pole only, no class pole times. If anyone is particularly keen on running a predictions comp for the classes, feel free.
No posts yet, same rules, we wait until the ACO has announced who is invited. Of course, the cunning among you may want to wait until after the Test (PQ) Day...... ;)
Aysedasi 10 Apr 2003, 19:48 The thread is now OPEN.
Just the pole time prediction please -
Car (including number) and time - nothing else ;)
rdjones 10 Apr 2003, 20:01 Right here goes:-
15 Racing For Holland Dome - 3.31.244
pirenzo 10 Apr 2003, 20:09 Audi UK #6- 3m29.5
Aysedasi 10 Apr 2003, 20:17 Entry closes midnight Tuesday 10th June
BTW - I'm deleting any posts without predictions.
Aysedasi 10 Apr 2003, 20:55 and the car please E46? Post it and I'll add it to your post.
Project LeMans 10 Apr 2003, 21:08 3:28,9 Bentley Speed 8
courage 10 Apr 2003, 22:24 3:31.864 Bentley #7
carbsmith 11 Apr 2003, 00:59 Bentley#8 3:30.850
viperada 11 Apr 2003, 01:32 Bentley #8 3:28.974
Garrett 11 Apr 2003, 04:18 Bentley, Audi, or Dome at 3m.28s.8!
Originally posted by Garrett
Bentley, Audi, or Dome at 3m.28s.8!
Sorry, Garrett, you'll have to chose ONE car !http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/scarymovie2.gif
Feel free to re-post your choice... ;)
Originally posted by Project LeMans
3:28,9 Bentley Speed 8
http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/sovxx.gifProject LeMans, is it the Bentley number 8, or number 7 ? ;)
Aysedasi 11 Apr 2003, 09:04 And as in the other thread - we need definite predictions for specific cars. Not wishing to be heavy handed, but I'm going to dump any post which is unclear...... sorry ;)
Dome S101 Judd #15 3:28.950
Dome s101 #15 (set by Lammers wed evening @21.00) 3.28.100
Rcutler 11 Apr 2003, 10:37 #15 Racing For Holland Dome - 3.29.666 (Wed night 20.43)
Rinaldo Capello. Bentley #7 3:30.1
SFonseca 11 Apr 2003, 13:33 Rinaldo Capello Bentley #7 3:29.9
Karl Kling 11 Apr 2003, 17:38 3:29.876 - Stephane Sarrazin, Pescarolo-Courage #18
http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/worship.gif A state of your bets, point who missed something :
rdjones - Dome Judd 15 3'31'244
pirenzo - -Audi UK 06 3'29'500
E46 Audi UK 06 3'30'532
Project LeMans - Bentley 08 3'28'900
Courage - Bentley 07 3'31'864
danhx - Bentley 07 3'30'800
carbsmith - Bentley 08 3'30'850
viperada - Bentley 08 3'28'974
Garrett - Bentley, Dome, Audihttp://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/11_confused.gif 3'28'800
Fab - Bentley 07 3'31'100
Mal - Bentley 08 3'30'100
bigh - Audi UK 06 3'29'424
egor - Dome Judd 15 3'28"950
Nordic - Dome Judd 15 3'28'100
Rcutler - Dome Judd 15 3'29'666
Javi - Bentley 07 3'30'100
Sfonseca - Bentley 07 3'29'900
Karl Kling - Courage Evo 18 3'29'876
FastJoel31 11 Apr 2003, 20:40 Dome #15 - 3:28.704
RacingManiac 12 Apr 2003, 20:39 3:28.750 For Bentley #7
paulzinho 13 Apr 2003, 00:08 3:30.876 Dome No.15
Sean Crockett 13 Apr 2003, 23:57 3'31'005 #8 Bentley
3:29.734 RFH Dome by Jan Lammers
Tim Northcutt 15 Apr 2003, 23:59 Bentley 8 3:28.896
bernard b 17 Apr 2003, 21:16 Dindo , Bentley #7 , 3.31.128
dretceterini 20 Apr 2003, 04:22 Capello, Bentley 3:29:662
3:29.695 audi #6 by Emanuele Pirro
Stats of the week :
- Average pole : 03:29,894
- Bentley 07 : mentionned 8 times as pole
- Dome Judd 15 : mentionned 7 times as pole
- Bentley 08 : mentionned 6 times as pole
- Audi UK 06 : mentionned 4 times as pole
Bentley Beermon 23 Apr 2003, 11:18 :rotate: Herbert Bentley 3'29.595"
:confused: :beer: :beer: :beer:
And my tickets have arrived today very happy:p :p :laugh:
Chevyguy 28 Apr 2003, 22:17 Andy Wallace 3.31.???
(RFH Dome #15)
3.29.286 Racing For Holland #15
Fogelhund 1 May 2003, 18:51 #8 Bentley Speed 8, Herbert 3:29.312
I don't think so, and I modify my own predictions :
Bentley 7 : 3'35'300 (I don't think they'll improve)
Here's mine
Bentley No.7
3.34.00
Simon
3.30.20 Bently no.7
3.31.30 Bentley No.8
3.33.00 Goh Audi
GTS
Prodrive Ferrari Enge 3.54.00
Tim Northcutt 22 May 2003, 23:57 Since Fab modified following PQ Day, I will, too (at least the time)
Bentley #7 -- 3:32.876
The top speed will pick up, but not by more than a couple of seconds from the Bentley hot time from PQ....
parson78 23 May 2003, 07:33 bentley #7 3 33 750
audi #6 3 34 250
gts
ferrari 88 3 55 500
PascaLM 25 May 2003, 21:50 More torque, less power (550 hp), Michelin tyres + Herbert =
Bentley n°8 - 3'32''500
Aysedasi 4 Jun 2003, 09:09 I think Fab and I should now put a time limit on this (bearing in mind that I haven't had my 5-penneth yet..... ;)). Predictions therefore to close ladies and gents at midnight on Sunday, 8th June (before people start to leave..... ;))
Try Hard 4 Jun 2003, 09:43 #7 bentley Kristensen 3:32.2
Bentley Beermon 4 Jun 2003, 11:14 :rotate:
Bentley #8 3'29.996
:beer: :beer: :beer:
Originally posted by Bentley Beermon
:rotate:
Bentley #8 3'29.996
:beer: :beer: :beer:
So you changed your mind (as I did myself coming back from the PQ) ? Ok, I take this one...
Originally posted by PascaLM
More torque, less power (550 hp), Michelin tyres + Herbert =
Bentley n°8 - 3'32''500
According to Mulsanne Mikes site the 2003 Bentley has 658BHP, the R8 593BHP or so.
The Bentley has more power in 2003 than in previous years.
Originally posted by JAG
According to Mulsanne Mikes site the 2003 Bentley has 658BHP, the R8 593BHP or so.
Mulsanne's Corner gives 658 bhp for the 2003 Bentley.
Well, it's impossible.
Of course, we can imagine that if the engine is now a 4000 cc to 3600 cc last year, the power has grown in the same proportion.
Indeed, this year, the Bentley will have 2 restrictors with a diameter of 30,7 mm and a max boost pressure of 1500 millibar for the two turbos.
The diameter was 33,1 mm last year.
The ACO decided to decrease the average power of the engines from 600 down to 550 bhp ; (in 1994 the power was 650 bhp).
Physically, the air passing through the restrictors can not exceed the speed of sound, so whatever are the engine size and architecture, the power is limited.
On the other hand, the maximum torque reached at lower speed can be "caterpillaresque" !
I think that's why the size has been increased to 4000 cc this year.
So I always think : 3'32''500 with brilliant and likeable J.HERBERT.
PS 1 : see www.lemans.org/sport/pdf/2003_REGULATIONS_ANNEXE_A_GF_GB.pdf for all engines restrictors datas.
PS 2 : I really like Mulsanne's Corner pages.:rotate:
I'm not sure how everything works technically but this is what I've read about the situation.
The 2002 R8s had around 660-70BHP with smaller LMP900 restrictors than the LMGTP Bentley, which was producing around 640BHP.
The 2002 Bentley was 4000cc but was clearly (and some say purposefully) not as high a spec as the Audis engine.
Ulrich who runs Audi says the 2002 R8s have had no development to the engine and is now producing around 600BHP. The Bentley however has a completly revised, 'ultimate' spec. engine that he says gained back much of what was lost by the 10% smaller restrictor plus some more.
Looking at restrictors in the WRC, the cars only have 2000cc and produce around 350BHP but have manged to gain around 30BHP in the last 4 years or so from a starting point of around 315BHP.
Originally posted by JAG
The Bentley however has a completly revised, 'ultimate' spec. engine that he says gained back much of what was lost by the 10% smaller restrictor plus some more.
Yes, it's true. The engine can gain by reduction of friction and improvement of mobile parts, etc.
A answer will be given with the maximum speeds in the Mulsanne straight ("ligne droite des Hunaudières" ;) ).
Aysedasi 5 Jun 2003, 08:06 What's all this got to do with this thread........ ;)
Bentley Beermon 5 Jun 2003, 09:34 :confused: Interesting though it is I was wondering the same myself.
:beer: :beer: :beer:
Not long to go now:rotate:
Aysedasi 8 Jun 2003, 01:17 OK. Finally it's my turn.
Bentley No. 7
3m32.146
bernard b 8 Jun 2003, 11:17 adjusting mine:
Bentley #7, Tom K., 3.33.550
deja vu..ish
bentley number 7, kristensen. 3.33.333
lemans_henrik 8 Jun 2003, 16:20 Bentley #7 - 3.32.789 and Tom K. is the man to do it :-)
Ayse is going to close it, so here are the stats about the predictions :
Average pole : 03:30,654
Bentley 07 : mentionned 18 times as pole
Dome Judd 15 : mentionned 9 times as pole
Bentley 08 : mentionned 9 times as pole
Audi UK 06 : mentionned 4 times as pole
Courage Evo 18 : mentionned 1 times as pole
I'm the most pessimistic ! :bag:
Aysedasi 8 Jun 2003, 21:46 Yes, as in the other one, you haven't got long to post your prediction, before the thread times out.
Aysedasi 9 Jun 2003, 11:16 Thread now closed.
Aysedasi 9 Jun 2003, 11:24 And here is the full list of pole predictions, from the most optimistic (Cobra) to the most pessimistic (Fab). And thanks to Fab for putting the list together (unfortunately you lose the Excel formatting.....!).
Entrant Car Time
Cobra Bentley 08 03:26.500
Nordic Dome Judd 15 03:28.100
FastJoel Dome Judd 15 03:28.704
Racingmaniac Bentley 07 03:28.750
Project LeMans Bentley 08 03:28.900
egor Dome Judd 15 03:28.950
viperada Bentley 08 03:28.974
bigh Audi UK 06 03:29.000
Garrett Bentley, Dome, Audi 03:29.000
tink Dome Judd 15 03:29.286
Fogelhund Bentley 08 03:29.312
pirenzo Audi UK 06 03:29.500
dretceterini Bentley 07 03:29.662
Rcutler Dome Judd 15 03:29.666
jet Audi UK 06 03:29.695
Wout Dome Judd 15 03:29.734
Karl Kling Courage Evo 18 03:29.876
Sfonseca Bentley 07 03:29.900
Bentley Beermon Bentley 08 03:29.996
Javi Bentley 07 03:30.100
Mal Bentley 08 03:30.100
JAG Bentley 07 03:30.200
E46 Audi UK 06 03:30.532
danhx Bentley 07 03:30.800
carbsmith Bentley 08 03:30.850
paulzinho Dome Judd 15 03:30.876
Chevyguy Dome Judd 15 03:31.000
Sean Crockett Bentley 08 03:31.005
Gilles Bentley 07 03:31.200
rdjones Dome Judd 15 03:31.244
Courage Bentley 07 03:31.864
Aysedasi Bentley 07 03:32.146
Try Hard Bentley 07 03:32.200
sirhc Bentley 07 03:32.500
Pascal LM Bentley 08 03:32.500
Asp Bentley 07 03:32.576
lemans_henrik Bentley 07 03:32.789
Tim Northcutt Bentley 07 03:32.876
Kdr Bentley 07 03:33.333
bernard b Bentley 07 03:33.550
parson78 Bentley 07 03:33.750
SL Bentley 07 03:34.000
Fab Bentley 07 03:35.300
Average pole : 03:30.654
Bentley 07 mentionned 18 times as pole
Dome Judd 15 mentionned 9 times as pole
Bentley 08 mentionned 9 times as pole
Audi UK 06 mentionned 4 times as pole
Courage Evo 18 mentionned 1 times as pole
I just edited Ayse post to insert Kdr prediction, that I forgot to precise in my excel sheet... :bag:
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