Proposed FF1600 web site

I’d like to gauge interest and support for a proposed FF1600 web site which Redracer57 and I were discussing yesterday. Judging by the number of postings to Ten Tenths in the past couple of months interest in FF1600 is high and we feel a web site could help to develop that still further.

The aim of the site would be to bring together information on all FF1600 racing into one place. We envisage sub-sites for each regional championship, and further ones for NI, Classic and Historic Championships, and one for ‘special events’ such as the Walter Hayes Trophy. There could also be pages with more general information applicable to the whole FF1600 racing ‘community’.

The sub sites would include everything from calendars to race results, reports, news, photographs and maybe features too. We’d also like to be able to put entry forms on there (and probably lots of other information we haven’t thought of).

Given that this is in Redracer57’s line of business he has offered to help in the design of the site. Unfortunately, this will cost money – we somehow need to raise at least a couple of thousand pounds to make this happen. All offers of support gratefully received. The site will be designed (I think!) such that adding information to it will be easy and can be done by nominated individuals for each region or championship.

That’s where we come on to the next point: we will need such individuals. I’m happy to take overall responsibility for the content and, say, the Midlands pages. But we will probably need half a dozen people in total so any interested parties, make yourself known.

The involvement and support of the organisers and co-ordinators is crucial, so any of you that fall into the category again, get in touch. We can make more formal ‘approaches’ if the level of support is there.

I think I’ve covered the main points, I’m sure Redrcaer57 will chip in if I’ve forgotten anything or to get a bit more techy. So, what do you think? If you’d like to send me a PM with any questions/offers of support, please do.

Ian Sowman

Why not start an 'FF1600 Racing Club.' Modest subs would pay for the site etc. and long-term such a club might get more better deals for FF1600 racers etc.

That's a very interesting idea...

I am sure i can sort out deals for anyone Racing FF1600 from Demon Tweeks .
Just e'mail me with your requirements and go from there.

Website sounds like a good idea, Probabley help grids,as it was this site that got me doing the Walter Hayes last weekend.

That would be one of the aims really - by creating better awareness of what is going on in FF1600, i.e. where and when you can have a race, people will be better informed and more likely to come out on track.

The WH trophy showed that the ground-level interest and mega-cameraderie of FF1600 is still there. Why don't Demon Tweeks start their own FF1600 club then with, say, 12.5 discount on orders (ie. better then the Pole Position Club)?

Steady on.
E'mail with what you want and i will do the best poss deal.Promise.
J.

Ta. Might/will take you up on that offer.

I would say start a FF Club to include a website (and I would also include the various club Zetec series also) - makes subs say a tenner - appoint a rep from each championship to update their sector. Have a classified section (free to advertise - small donation if you sell your car/parts), a forum and have this as an "official" website for UK club FF racing.

Look at FF1600.com / F2000.com /formulaford.com.au - these are the US/Aussie equivilants...

Any funds left in the kitty you can put into a party after next year's WH Trophy....surely the BRDC will lend us their clubhouse!!

Yeah, did wonder about bundling the club Zetec series as well. I think what you suggest for the site is very much what I was thinking with the aim of it becoming an 'official' thing.

As for starting a club, anyone got any ideas on the best way of going about this?

The Zetecs should do their own thing! Is it a good idea to allow it be diluted? Make it just FF1600 and let others fend for themselves...

I think the "template" is something like the ARP F3 champ or the drivers club that run the SPorts 2000 series - both have websites and contact nos - I guess they would be a good starting point. I suppose you need to appoint a committee and some roles in that committee - I guess also you would want the BRSCC series rep to be involved..

In terms of getting it off the ground - would the BRSCC support putting £10 onto next year's champ registration fee ...

John - surely the issue here is a website for club FF racers not if they are exclusively FF1600...I agreeed not to include the UKFFC runners...

A point for debate there then John! It is a question of where to draw the line isn't it - for example if we included Zetec we might have to think about FF2000 and so on.

You'll have to be carefull about the Brscc bit or they'll try to up it somewhere along the line like they do with entry fees every year.

Bearing in mind that not all FF1600 racers are affiliated with the BRSCC is another issue there. HSCC and (I think from next year) Classic competitors may not be.

Classics all being BARC in '04?

Such a 'club' would go across the race organising clubs which can only be another good thing.

Jeremy - good points on Zetecs but I would prefer to keep the FF1600 identity else you should include FF2000, FFirst, Monoposto hybrids and everyone forgets it's FF1600. Keep it 1600 (like me you've done Zetecs and 'come back' anyway!)

I read with interest.

Yes - I am sure the BRDC could do a 'deal' for the Clubhouse for a FF1600 party after the WHT in 2004.

I would be interested to help with a FF1600 Club - just call me !

John - that's what I heard (probably on here) about the Classics. I do agree that a cross-club club, so to speak, would be an excellent idea in that it gives the drivers more of a voice.

The situation for Classics (FF's up to end of '81) is that it will be joint permit next year (BARC + BRSCC), but the majority (or all?) of rounds will be with BARC classic package. The CFFR already have a web site, which has links to other FF sites.

Originally posted by JEB
I read with interest.

Yes - I am sure the BRDC could do a 'deal' for the Clubhouse for a FF1600 party after the WHT in 2004.

I would be interested to help with a FF1600 Club - just call me !

We have all just seen James' ability with the WH.....to not have him involved in the club and website would be a big mistake....he's made the offer....please take him up on it.

I quite agree and had planned to ask James to be involved in the web site. As for the club, I'm sure everyone would be keen for James to be involved - perhaps if we leave this thread a little longer there may be some other volunteers for 'committee' positions and progress can be made from there. Incidentally, I would also be happy to help in any way I could.

Originally posted by Ian Sowman
I quite agree and had planned to ask James to be involved in the web site. As for the club, I'm sure everyone would be keen for James to be involved - perhaps if we leave this thread a little longer there may be some other volunteers for 'committee' positions and progress can be made from there. Incidentally, I would also be happy to help in any way I could.

And so you should be....the reports were first class!!!!!

Ian - for what it is worth I am happy to be the "drivers rep" for the southern series (s) - unless ofcourse someone else has a better reason to do it (ie Jim McGregor etc etc) and do the SFFC bits on any website (and bully fellow drivers into the subscription - hence why asking if the Zetec runners can be included)...

An FF1600 club and website sounds like an excellent idea. As has been said, the WHT showed the level of interest in this type of racing at the moment and hopefully we can build further on this. We just need enough people with the skills and willingness to do it. I would happily pay a reasonable annual subscription for this (and a joining fee if it helped the start up costs)

I think the whole idea is a fantastic one. Communication between drivers/championship co-ordinators is the key. Race reports, championship positions, wants, items for sale, sspecial discounts from priviledged suppliers the sky's the limit!

I've spoken to Gus and he'd be quite happy to expand on his current litery skills for any race reports for the NW Championship.

NOTE OF CAUTION

Don't let the euphoria of the Walter Hayes take you over. Yes the website, drivers club etc. are brilliant ideas, BUT ....

Back in 2002, a drivers club "The North West Formula Ford Drivers Association" - NWFFDA was founded, by the drivers, for the drivers. Sadly - after initial enthusiasm - it died fairly quickly.

WHY?

Driver apathy took over. OK, it didn't have a website, but from 80 odd registered drivers, the organiser told me he only ever received three phone calls from the drivers once they had "joined up". They just didn't seem interested.

So within one season, the club was founded, folded and the "kitty" was presented to the Marshals funds.

Gloom aside folks, let's go for it.

Interesting Diz - any other similar experiences? What was the raison d'etre of the NWFFDA?

diz, you're absolutely correct of course. But, if the club or association or whatever you want to call it were to be made up from the various different "centres" or championships from around the uk, one would hope this should drive the idea forward. You've only got to look at the responses on this site to see how popular the idea could be. We need to be positive and I think the idea is a sound one

Originally posted by diz
NOTE OF CAUTION

Don't let the euphoria of the Walter Hayes take you over. Yes the website, drivers club etc. are brilliant ideas,

swift,
I'm totally in favour, but thought the experience of the NWFFDA should be mentioned.

Ian
The idea of the NWFFDA was very similar to most of what has been mentioned earlier in this thread : solidarity, bargaining clout, team spirit etc., etc.:beer:

For those of you not familiar with swift's literary masterpieces,

Take a look at

brsccnw.com

Ian Smith Page

Dowload Newsletters

The ARP Club seems to run ok,Perhaps we need to find out their secret?They get longer races,qual,garages decent calender. Smaller number of potential drivers not like FF1600.
http://www.arpf3.co.uk/
The potential clout 200 + FF1600 club members would have. Could be interesting negotiating with sponsors and the BRSCC,BARC.
Most clubs are run by 5 or 6 fantastic dedicated people, 90% of members never do or want to do any thing.

The fact that you are looking to set up a "Formula Ford 1600" site for all competitors as opposed to the one we started for just one Championship might work better. Diz is right though. I was going to set up the website and asked all the drivers to forward to me a portfolio. Some brief description of them and a picture in and out of the car. Out of over 60 drivers, I received 3 replies on the 3rd time of asking. A number of the drivers agreeing to this new club on this posting were involved in the original NWFFDA and their enthusiasm wavered quickly back then. Get all the pieces in place before starting anything.
Not wanting to sound like a pesimist, as I think it's a great idea, I think it should be well planned and thought out before we start talking about subscriptions and joining fees.

Chaps:
Delighted that FF1600 is getting so much attention once more, very well deserved and congrats to James and everyone for the WH Trophy (missed it on some rally thing in Wales).
The idea of an association is an interesting one and I reckon the example of the Clubmans Register is worth looking at.
Clubmans has been around even longer than FF1600 and much of the reason for that is the drivers' association. It has steered and protected the category through various ups and downs over more than 35 years and still has two strong championships today.
Inevitably, it takes a lot of graft by a small number of people to make it work, but the benefits are many. Great camaraderie, strong grids, title sponsors for both championships, good relationships with organising clubs, a good website and magazine, an annual exclusive test day and much more.
Basically, the organising clubs are operating on very limited resources and are not going to nurture classes very much, so more and more it needs those directly involved to do this.
Definitely worth doing, but as Diz points out, it won't happen without a lot of effort from maybe three or four people. However, if it protects and promotes FF1600, its a great idea!

So, to be effective and not die it needs to be kept very simple to start with so nobody needs to put hundreds of hours in.
Would a simple register of cars and a website primarily of adverts and forums (both of which are largely self maintaining) not then be a good way to start.
If this was called the FF1600 Register (or Club) it mustn't be forgotten that there are probably as many, if not more, FF1600s sprinting and hillclimbing as racing.
Numbers of 'members' could be large and a team of recruiters would likely be needed to acheive some critical mass, ie. compare these forums to "www.formula-ford.net" which just hasn't taken off..

Excellent idea chaps.
In NI we currently have a total of 30 FF1600 drivers competing more or less regularly, plus another 10 or so south of the border at present....and growing. I'm pretty certain we would go for it, and would be happy to look after this little corner of the world.
It probably needs to start soon though, while people haven't got quite so much to do........

John, the "www.formula-ford.net" website was started by Simon Davey this year, but he's not had the spare time to do it justice. As a result, it has not been updated since July. I think this new site covering all FF1600's is a good idea, but as has been said already, a lot of work for somebody. Is there any merit in taking over Simon's site, or is it easier to start from scratch? The Classic website is now being run by Roger Newman, it would be good to have a link to this new one.

Steve, to my certain knowledge that website is run solely by David Blyth who I used to race against in 750MC FF Zetec and who has most recently been doing Legends...

(now I understand why we had some confusing PMs earlier this year)

John, are we talking about the same one :


FormulaFord1600.net


You can contact the Webmaster, Simon Davey, on
sdavey@ksad.demon.co.uk


I'm also currently competing in the BARC/BRSCC Classic
Formula Ford 1600 Championship. Car Number 5.

Please come and introduce yourself on race-days!

Justin introduced us at the weekend! And I don't think you're referring to www.formula-ford.net

Ian...sounds like a great idea
Thats one of the problems I've found trying to find info there are so many sites, a lot that carry minimal information or info that is woefully out of date.
You shouldnt understimate the size of the task though and would have to be aware of the possibility of it becoming a full time job, juts look at pitpass.com and they only cover one small sixteen race championship :laugh:

a dailysportscar.com for formula fords of all persuasions would be excellent

I'd happily donate pics and even a little time

Re the NWFFDA, I agree that it didn't last, for a variety of reasons. These sorts of things do take a big commitment from a few capable people but - in the same area, look at how the NW BRSCC site has developed this year. www.brsccnw.com

you have some mighty young marshalls in that picture :laugh:

I run a webhosting company and would be happy to provide hosting and help on this project.

Any new site would probably be best acting as a hub to the regional sites that could be a news service, fill in any gaps and provide semi official sub-sites for those championships lacking their own...the Star of the Midlands springs to mind as one that I dont think has an official site...happy to be proven wrong there of course

but then it becomes a BRSCC type affair doesn't it.

PS try www.brsccmids.co.uk

Paul - I see where you are coming from but I think the site should probably reflect the FF1600 club (should that ever happen). It would also be nice to have a standardised format for all of the sites.

Darcym - Thanks for the offer. Redracer57 knows more about the technical side than me, when he comes on I'm sure he will talk to you about it!

thanks for that...highlights a point though...SOM points after Sep 13 Oulton round

Ian I'm just thinking aloud hopefully adding to the debate :)

You are, thanks. The problem with many websites is that they simply are not current and so people stop using them. We'd hope to avoid that. Not sure who does the BRSCC Midlands site.

hence the dailysportscar allusion ;)
flippingfrequentff.com :laugh:

Just to explain why the nwffda did so badly....of course Diz is correct when he mentions driver apathy....however on it's inception the nwffda really got of to a bad start...it was a BAD idea to have the BRSCC involved in what should have been private discussions to set out the format and protocol....it's a bad idea to wan't to go to war with the powers that be when they are sat at the same table.....far better to get your strategy then invite them.With the correct people at the helm and yes they have to be enthusiasts,the idea is a sound one.Remember the nwffda was testing the water about maybe as a club asking the BARC to organise or add us onto their meetings!!!!!

If you remember though Steve, the reason for that was one of the BRSCC's unwillingness to promote their very strong Championship. Most of the drivers at the table at those meetings felt they were getting less and less for their increasing fees and the purpose of the NWFFDA was to be run along the lines of the ARP F3 club. In a short space of time, we had secured associate sponsorship and test drives for Championship winners. All with very little effort and to this day, we still have not seen anything like this from the BRSCC. Alas, the support from the very people it was set up for, the drivers, wasn't there. Being a member of such a club requires more than just a subscription. Some further good come from it though and we have the Mouse Centre to which you contributed greatly. I will start a new post on the ethics of the BRSCC and advertising though.......

why not offer a place for drivers running in the championships and a place for drivers to advertise their OWN sponsors giving better value or coverage to the sponsor of drivers allowing them to race, and perhaps encouraging a few more smaller businesses to dip in. The clubs get %100 of the sponsorship for these events, and we see that in entry fee's, club membership etc etc, why not make it easier for drivers to promote their own sponsors on a busy website.

Originally posted by Walshy
In a short space of time, we had secured associate sponsorship and test drives for Championship winners. All with very little effort

Some further good come from it though and we have the Mouse Centre to which you contributed greatly.

Chris,

Not factually correct.
1. John Gray of Grays Motorsport approached Tom Dooley to offer the ARP F3 test drives.
2. John Loebell offered the Medina Sport test drives to me at the Annual Dinner.
3. I assume by "associate sponsorship" you mean the Avon Tyres for the Championship winners [an existing award - though probably not publicised as such] and the Neil Bold Vouchers [offered by Neil via Dave Hart]
4. The Anglesey Star Mini Series prize money via Richard Peacock's endeavours.

None of the above were as a result of the NWFFDA, which sadly demised before it could get a proper foothold. They all basically "fell at our feet" due to other peoples interest and generosity, with no efforts from me - or anybody elses - part involved.

The Moose Centre came about due to the drivers respect for Colin.

Diz

Thanks for setting me straight Diz!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I was led to believe, the drives were offered as part of the NWFFDA??????

A FF1600 website is a ggod idea, but will it cover the Historics?

do you want it to ?

I would

I think it needs to cover anything FF1600 as there paths do cross at the big get togethers.Ie Festival,WHT,Carnival and the big race on silverstone GP track mid season.

I agree with jminsh: the proposed site should cover all FF1600 aspects even speed events as an earlier contributor noted (but then again I'm biased!)

I would hope that there are enough enthusiastic people out there to drive this forward. We really do need to avoid the situation we found ourselves in with the NWFFDA. THis ended up being run by a small handful of individuals which isn't very fair as I'm sure we all have better things to do with what spare time we have

Scott - think my earlier post mentioned that Classics and Historics would be covered as well. If it didn't, I apologise!

Back from London

I will read the notes later and then add my ideas

Regards Redracer 57

right.

Evening all, sorry for not chipping in earlier but i have been doing an exhibition in London and spent the evenings drinking in bars networking rather than being on this website!!

I have read all the posts and people do seem very keen. Which is good indeed. When Ian and I started talking about the idea I have had time to think about it more. The longer I thought the bigger and better the site got!! What is key to a FF1600 club is that it is up dated all the time.

The Structure -

We would cover all the FF1600 Championships (NOT Zetecs) SWFF, SOM, NWFF, CCFF, Classics and Historics (r they not the same?)

Each club would need 2 members to the production team. One as the driver rep/chairman of the Championship for example Diz in NWFF or Peter Daly in the SOM etc (if they were keen) and each championship would then have a website manager for example Paul Rayner in the NWFF and Ian for the SOM etc. They would be responsible for updating news, results and pictures as soon as possible after each race. THIS IS KEY. An updated site is a USED site. If it is not updated people will stop using it and it will fail. The website would then have to be designed to include a CMS system (Content Management System). This would allow the web editor for each championship an ultra easy way of up dating the info which can be used on any computer with an internet connection.

We would then have other areas of the site such as -

Entry Details, For Sale, News, Forum, Billboard, "Live" MST timings (TBC).

I think Jason had a good idea with adding Demon Tweeks as a supplier who is willing to offer a discount. This is very important when getting value for money from the Club. Any other people involved in companies that could offer similar deals for Club members then it would be great to hear from you. Anything that would mean better value for member would be great.

This leads me on to the cost......

Depending on the final spec I think this type of project would cost in the region of £10 - 12k at "retail" price. At pure cost (just designers time) I think it would be about £5,000. I will put in £2,500 as a sponsor to the club which would bring the cost down to £2,500. This could be paid for from a number of ways. Get each championship to get a sponsor for their section. For example Neil maybe interested in putting £500 - £1000 into the pot to promote OPAL with direct links to the OPAL website etc. Peter Daly maybe interested in the SOM etc. This could easily pay for the build.
If everyone that joins pays a £50 sub for 12 months. Some people may say that £50 is a lot but with the member benefits alone this could be got back. For example buying a new race suit from Jason could save you £50 for being in the club etc

Ian Sowman and JWRF01 have offered to do the editing for the SOM and the SWFF. So we now need one from each of the NWFF, CCFF and the historics. We also need one from each of all of the championships to go on the Club board. I suggest we ask JEB to be Chairman? I would like to be on the board as one of the creators but not in the NWFF slot as I guess Diz would be a great man for that.

We need to get the board in place to start the club going and make sure this is a big hit.

I own the domain name - www.clubFF1600.co.uk this could be used for the Club website?

Let me know what you think?

If the club is to move forward then we need to establish a working party (as Jon Adlam correctly pointed out to me) sooner rather than later. I think this should be five or six people strong and hopefully cover a cross-section of the FF1600 'community'.

I am happy to be involved (although an 'outsider'!) so we probably need about five more people to meet up and discuss all this. I imagine the website would be the 'official' site of any club and as such we could discuss it in the working party.

If anyone would like to be part of this either PM me or e-mail me if my inbox should fill up (through my profile page) - get in touch even if you have already expressed support on here/in a PM/email. We can then think about arranging a meeting. If anyone knows a non Ten Tenths person who might be interested, please speak to them about it!

I can probabley help on the historic side of things but iam fairly short on time with 3 historics and 1 NWFF to prep.

In terms of the Southern series - not sure on the kent numbers - are you sure you don't want to include the zetec numbers as they were the stronger class this year (not neccessarily next year thought.)

Somebody told my engineer, at the Walter Hayes, that the Souther and Midlands FF1600s may have to merge next year due to (lack of) numbers.
I hope not but does anyone hear know much, that they are willing to tell?

Re-funding, perhaps Ford could be persuaded to help fund or sponsor the website, thet could have links to their sites.

It is a good idea Barny but Ford are a client of mine and I am working on a project with them at the moment. I know how difficult it is to get Ford to put hands in pockets and pay for stuff.

I will ask at Ford HQ but I don't promise anything. Everything they do is backed up and determind by how many sales they can get from it.

so why are they involved in Jaguar ;)

Ford dont like to be involved with the old technology ie the Kent engine which was the main reason for them moving to the Zetec engine formula in about 93-94.

Like they don't like it being called Formula Ford 1600 and generally insist on FF1600...

nothing like being proud of your heritage is there

On the basis that I don't want to join any club that would have me as a member; couldn't we call it something else. I prefer association, or something with the word racing in the title may be more promotable.
Apart from this minor critisism I 100% approve of everything that's been said. I even agree with a first year set up fee of £50 or so each.........I think it important to retain independence free from commercial pressure...

Originally posted by Redracer57
We would cover all the FF1600 Championships (NOT Zetecs) SWFF, SOM, NWFF, CCFF, Classics and Historics (r they not the same?)

Each club would need 2 members to the production team. One as the driver rep/chairman of the Championship for example Diz in NWFF or Peter Daly in the SOM etc (if they were keen) and each championship would then have a website manager for example Paul Rayner in the NWFF and Ian for the SOM etc. They would be responsible for updating news, results and pictures as soon as possible after each race. THIS IS KEY. An updated site is a USED site. If it is not updated people will stop using it and it will fail. The website would then have to be designed to include a CMS system (Content Management System). This would allow the web editor for each championship an ultra easy way of up dating the info which can be used on any computer with an internet connection.

We would then have other areas of the site such as -

Entry Details, For Sale, News, Forum, Billboard, "Live" MST timings (TBC).

Time for me to put my worth in from my part-time web site making experience.
Sounds like this will be part-time for lots of people, which may make it difficult to keep it up-to-date with too much information. Because of this I would be wary of trying to run before you crawl.

Entry details are simple - a link to the right place on the organiser's web site, for sale details could be good, but would need to be very regularly updated (another source of income maybe?), forum and billboard - isn't that the same, basically this place? Live MST times I would think would be quite expensive (and besides, are many people really going to watch other regional championships live on MST?)

Reports would be simple enough - get someone along to the races, and write stuff - but this would have to be impartial, not influenced by championship organisers. Another thing that was mentioned was pictures - that could be good, but you'd need to find a photographer for each championship that could supply same-day photos to the site in an alright size, perhaps they could then sell the full-size ones through the site?

1.) Ian, PM's have been sent.
2.) If a few people from each championship are included as suggested so there is multiple people there and then 1 of them updates it it should be fine.
3.) I know Jeff Glendall from www.autoimages.co.uk covers all the combe races and a few other ones I am sure there is at least 1 photographer for each area that is a regular, if not more.
4.) Live times may be a bit essesive, but qualifying times and race times post race along with the report would be good enough to show people the pace and paint a picture along with the images.

Failing all this, if each championship just develops its own website, you could use the URL as a hub for accessing formula ford links ?

Everyone is making good points. In response to Paul Rayner in particular - yes, we're aware it's a massive task which is why we're not launching into it without thinking about feasibility.

plus this is the perfect time to do the groundwork for next season (winter series notwithstanding)

just as a matter of interest were you guys all squirrelled(#?!?) away in a corner of the BRDC bar on Sunday plotting your world domination? :laugh:

If you mean were people discussing the club and website - not as far as I'm aware. This (the website) was an idea Redracer57 was keen on and I was happy to support him in. Bringing it to Ten Tenths was the natural progression.

Redracer, sounds good and I would support it.

Wow! The start of this thread caught my attention with what is a good idea. It sounds good to get a website up and running along with a club. The initial cost was a couple of thousand pounds. We now seem to be talking £10K-£12K. Do we believe this cost is realistic or will it be more like £50K on completion? Is there noone out there with the experience of web design that will be a less expense?

Originally posted by BlackArrow24
Wow! The start of this thread caught my attention with what is a good idea. It sounds good to get a website up and running along with a club. The initial cost was a couple of thousand pounds. We now seem to be talking £10K-£12K. Do we believe this cost is realistic or will it be more like £50K on completion? Is there noone out there with the experience of web design that will be a less expense? Welcome BlackArrow24. Redracer57 is "the man" with experience of web design. If you read his post where the £10-12k is mentioned, he is talking retail. Pure cost he puts at approx £5k and has offered to stump up 50% of this himself and suggests where the other £2.5k could come from. The finance is not the problem at present, rather getting the framework in place for both the "club" and the website.

*First time have read this thread!*

It seems an exellent idea, it can raise awareness, and report races. Not only that we could build in a how-to section to help peolple less techically minded, i.e a resourse for an FF1600, or propctive racer.

If a club was forme with a joining fee of £20-£30 say, and we could get 200 members in the first year (realistic) then tis will go some way to capital investment in the website.

We really need a tie-up with companies such as DT, Avon tires, Mintex etc, with discounts to members to make it viarable for the member, this coupled with the "backup" for other members, and a website could make it a must for any FF1600 team owner, or competitor.

Justin

Thanks for your ideas and support.

I will be e-mailing a few people tomorrow concerning the club in an attempt to establish this working party (for the club), so any further volunteers please get in touch!

remember... not club, association :laugh:

Club is the working title :)

FF1600RA anyone?

The Popular Front of Jud...oops wrong thread ;)

The historics have their own,

www.historicff.org.uk

this is designed only to give an outline of what the championship involves, not a race collaboration/administration site.

Besides we are mainly polishers, who turn up to let the racer boys think they are quick !!!!

JW

Speak for yourself JFW !!!!!!!!!
Remember the Lap time round SPA

OH, but of course,

Like a stick of rock ?

LOL.

J.

All - I am working away for a couple of days therefore I may not be able to collect e-mail and so on. I will be back on Wednesday evening. If anyone wishes to contact me in the meantime please get in touch with JustinDawkins and I am sure he will pass the message on.

Thanks.

Do you work at Mars Confectionary ?