Winkelmann-Palliser

I'm attempting to research the manufacturing history of Robert Winkelmann North American FF's/FB's. I'd like to know more about Palliser Racing Cars, the principals Lem Wimhurst and Hugh Dibley and any other pertinent information. Any Links, other sites, photos, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.:)

I forgot to mention that they may have also made FSV's but I'm not exactly sure about that. Hope to hear from one or more of you who were around, as I was, back then. Cheers!|:)|

Hello again Chaps.
I thought I'd re-post this thread from January last since I received no replies. |:(| I've read all kinds of obscure history and recollections regarding motor racing on this site. Surely someone out there can fill me in a little about this concern. I'd appreciate anything you're willing to share. Thanks again. Cheers.

Well, Formula B isn't my speciality, but I know there are people here who know lots about it. I know Palliser started in FB with a WDB1 and built about 8. Then they made the WDB2 (now 1968 or 1969) which was quite successful in the US as the Winkelmann but I don't know how many were made. There was at least one WDB3 and at least one WDB4.

I'll leave the Formula Ford stuff for someone else.

Dibley was a BOAC pilot and was living on Jersey last time I spoke with him but that was 10 or 11 years ago.

Allen

In the early 1970's , Motor Sport [ U.K. ] ran a series of articles called THEY MAKE RACING CARS , and the Palliser cars were one of the firms that they reported on.
There are 2 x WDF3 F.Fords in Australia, have been for a looooong time.
Sorry I am unable to quickly locate exact issue.

Bryan.

They did F3 cars too, based largely on the FF car suitably updated. Roger Keele ran the WD31 ( I think that was its monicker) in the last year of 1-litre F3 in 1970. It wasn't bad, but suffered from a low budget and the fact that development was compromised by using components that were acceptable in FF but didn't translate too well to F3. In 1971, when F3 changed to 1600cc, there were 2 Palliser F3 cars on the track in the UK. A very attractive looking car, one was driven by Peter Lamplough (a white car) and there was an orange one driven by someone else whose name escapes me right now. Again, they weren't front runners.

They also ran an early FF2000 in 1975, raced by Damien Magee on occasion. Must have been based on the F3 or FF I imagine.

This car was slightly updated in 1978 by Syd Fox and ran as the 'TON' (The Old Nail) very quickly. Indeed it won the main series that year up against more modern Deltas/Van Diemens/Reynards/Crossles/Dulons/Hawkes and so on.

So, though Syd Fox was always pretty good, the car itself muct have been OK too.

Originally posted by Bryan Miller
In the early 1970's , Motor Sport [ U.K. ] ran a series of articles called THEY MAKE RACING CARS , and the Palliser cars were one of the firms that they reported on.
There are 2 x WDF3 F.Fords in Australia, have been for a looooong time.
Sorry I am unable to quickly locate exact issue.

Bryan. Bryan

I saw that recently but thought it was in Autosport. If it was MS, then I think it was December 1970. Or do I mean December 1969? Aaargh! I'll find it this evening.

Allen

Ah yes, here it is. March 1971, pp218-219, just where I said it would be (ahem).

It was like this: in 1968, Palliser built three cars, all sold to the US for FB racing. These, I guess, were WDB1s but the article doesn't make this clear.

In Oct 68 they moved to 65 North Street, that most famous racing address, and formed Palliser Racing Design Ltd with Dibley, Wimhurst and Bob Winkelmann as directors.

By the end of 1969, they had built 42 FFs and 6 FBs (including, I presume, the 3 1968 cars). The FB cars were WDB2s according to my 1969 FB results but I'm not certain that makes sense. The article says all this production went to the US.

In 1970, they built 50 more FFs, three more FBs and "a prototype Super Vee and Formula Atlantic". They ran a couple of cars in the UK: a works FF for Peter Lamplough and a F3 loaner to Roger Keele. Bob Evans became the first UK private owner and "several" more were sold.

For 1971, Palliser offered four designs: the WDF3 FF; the WDB3 for Atlantic, FB, F2 and F3; the FSV; and the monocoque Daren sports. Wimhurst was also said to have a monocoque F2 on the drawing board; the design for the Franklen was still current and a F2-chassised hill climb car was being built for Mike McDowell.

Schuppan was due to drive a F Atlantic in 1971 and, IIRC, he won the 1971 championship with it.

Finally, the Kettlewell Motor Racing Directory says Palliser folded in early 1972 due to cash flow problems. A Palliser 742 FF2000 was built by Wimhurst in 1974 and it is this car that became The Old Nail.

Allen

Just found a reference in my notes to the hill climb car: Bryan Eccles' ex-MacDowel/Voigt/David Fyfe/Alex Brown 1971 Palliser WDH1 with 4.2 Repco (Autosport 8 Apr 1976 p59 and 1 Apr 1976 p61). Eccles crashed it very badly and injured his legs.

Allen

Great stuff -I'm impressed!:rotate:
I've owned one of those fifty 1970 FF for the last thirty years. It's currently undergoing a frame-up rebuild in Central Canada for historic racing.:) :)
:) :) I may have that issue of Motor Sport as I collect racing magazines and have several years of same from the sixties and seventies. Again, thanks for your posts. ;)

Checked my old M/S issues. Sadly, I must have stopped subscribing in 1970 when I did as so many others and followed the advice of "Go West, young man!".:D However, I did enjoy thumbing through most of the sixties. Strangely enough I didn't find a single article on Formula Fords (e.g. Lotus 51) which were introduced then. :(

hi
i found a palliser a few weeks ago fitted with an capri v6 engine............
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regards roger

At the first ever hillclimb I went to at Doune in June 1971 Mike MacDowel won the run off in the Repco engined Palliser. I'll try to post a picture hear later.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/swhillclimb/images/0-picture.jpg?

Do you know which Repco motor ?

IIRC it was a F5000

Greatly enlarged 740 wasn't it?

The engine in the Palliser was a THREE litre 740 back in 1971. The engine was subsequently enlarged to FIVE litres when MacDowell transferred it to the Brabham for the 1972 season. :cool:

Len Wimhurst built a FF1600 in 1976 for Kees van der Grint to drive called the Wimhurst LP1 (LP = Len And Paul Wimhurst). I raced this car throughout 1979 and entered it for Paul Sleeman a couple of times in 1980. Subsequently sold to my dentist who took it to Ireland.

Len Wimhurst built a FF1600 in 1976 for Kees van der Grint to drive called the Wimhurst LP1 (LP = Len And Paul Wimhurst). I raced this car throughout 1979 and entered it for Paul Sleeman a couple of times in 1980. Subsequently sold to my dentist who took it to Ireland.

Len then built a FF2000 for Damien Magee and Paul Wimhurst called the Wimhurst PLP4 (PLP = Pat [Capon], Len and Paul). I raced this car for the first time at Boxing Day Brands 1979 and surprisingly managed to win the Formula Libre race, the last race of the decade! I raced it in 1980 in the national Motorcraft championship, without much success, and at Lydden where it was more succesful with a couple of wins. Len, my father, brother and myself then converted the car to Formula Talbot spec (on the promise of plenty of sponsorship money which surprisingly failed to materialise!) and used it throughout 1981 and 1982 before converting it back to FF2000 and selling it to Steve Holland for the Lydden series in 1983. I beleive the car was subsequentlt raced by Mike Mackonachie (?spelling) and was also for sale by Matthew Mortlock. I do not know it's current whereabouts but would be pleased if anyone does know!

Rob

A bit of digging on FB Winkelmann/Pallisers
1968: 3 WDB1 built like Allen says, going to Rob Winkelmann, Dan Murphy and one other
1969: There are at least five cars in circulation, at least three of whcih are WDB2
[those of Skip Adrian, Jack Cowell and Chuck Sarich]. Other cars driven by Jerry Haynes and Stan Schooley may be WDB1. However, there may have been five WDB2 built and sold in US. We need to start examining SCCA FB results at some stage to resolve this.

1970: All of the 1969 cars appear with their drivers except for that of Schooley. The only new combination to appear is Butch Harris with an as yet unknown but swift model. At end of season Dibley shows up with the 'prototype' WDB4 at Sebring. New WDB3 in hands of Robert Winkelmann, Gregg Gosar, David Smith and Warren Flickinger.

1971: Schuppan runs a works backed WDB4 in UK Atlantic - which I'd always presumed to be WDB4-1 [the prototype] until it's sold from under him to Henky Irawian in Singapore after two races. However, Jack Cowell in S. Africa has WDB4-1 and I can't work out how it got from Singapore to him as Irawian is still running a Palliser at the same time. So: now presume Dibley sells prototype WDB4 after Sebring. It stays in US [possible owners Jerado Martinez or Karl Patton] for a while then goes to Cowell.
Schuppan's first car is a later chassis no [2?] and goes to Irawian
This is replaced by a new car debuted by Dibley in the Arco Trophy at Castle Combe in April 71. This maybe the car raced by Gillmeister or Santo in 1972

In 1971 Gillmeister's FB car in England is a converted F3 car and Santo's a converted FF.

One piece of FF knowledge. Schuppan's works car in 1970 passes to Driller Sheldon in 1972

Chris

Can anyone shed any light on this one, I purchased from the continent a wdf3 formula ford which had chassis pate wdf3/2 but no AM number. I sold then sold it on and have bought another wdf3 formula ford which has wdf3-2 chassis plate plus an AM number. They're both genuine cars, the first one with a traceable history on the continent from new which went to Denmark, and the second car I have traced to pre 74 in early eighties. The second car has a much wider track but other than that they're identical!!

I think that the second car might... be one of the two F3 cars. They were entered with the designation WDF3-2 in 1970/71. That might explain the track - especially as one of these was then converted to Atlantic spec.

I seem to recall Damien Magee running a WDF3 in F3 at the beginning of a season possibly early 80's, very late 70's. He was romping away as only he could at a very wet Thruxton, pulling away from his pursuers at an indecent rate, only to lose it in the biggest way imaginable 'out the back' on the greasy surface. He is later reported to have said that he car was so totalled that it might as well be buried. Money ran out at that point, until he re-appeared in a F5000 Lola T300/330

Would you believe that race was 72 or early 73. Magee used the car which was a WDF3-2, in both years I think. Certainly in 1972 it was described as ex Peter Lamplough. If it was thrown away that suggests that the F3 car which survived was the one used in 1971 by Derek Lawrence.

Wasn't Syd Fox's 'TON' based on a Palliser F3 tub ?

Having looked at the FIA papers wdf3-2 was used by a guy called Rod Vickery in 1981 pre 85 formula ford, there is nothing preceeding this info. I guess it's possible it started life as an F3 which was later converted to FF. Does anyone know what the chassis plate designations were for the f3 and the ff. My understanding was as follows:-

WD3-F3
WDF3-FF
WDB3-FB/ATLANTIC

The 3 being the subsequent model number not a reference to its class designation. Is this correct?

The following is a list of the Pallisers I saw between 1970 and 1972. The type number where provided is as per the programme.

22/03/70 Brands Hatch FF1600 Peter Lamplough
26/04/70 Silverstone F3 Roger Keele (WD3)
22/08/70 Oulton Park F3 Roger Keele (WD3)
14/03/71 Mallory Park FF1600 Damien Magee, Clive Santo & Buzz Buzaglo (WDF3) plus Russell Wood (WDF2)
08/05/71 Silverstone F3 Peter Lamplough (WDF3)
20/06/71 DOUNE Hillclimb Mike MacDowel (WDA/B)
10/07/71 Croft F3 Peter Lamplough & Derek Lawrence (WDF3)
17/07/71 Silverstone F3 Peter Lamplough (WDF3)
01/08/71 Nurburgring FVee Rolf Tellsten
21/08/71 Oulton Park F3 Peter Lamplough & Derek Lawrence (WDF3)
31/03/72 Oulton Park F3 Damien Magee (WDF4)
31/03/72 Oulton Park FF1600 Mike Taylor (WDF2)
22/04/72 Silverstone FF1600 Peter Coston, Ian Beresford, Stephen South and Chris Pryer (WDF3); Mike Taylor & Rod Smith (WDF2); Steven Coen (WDF2/3) plus David Wadham-Smith (WDF1)
22/04/72 Silverstone F3 Damien Magee (WDF4)
21/05/72 Silverstone FF1600 Steven Coen and Ian Beresford (as previous)
29/05/72 Oulton Park FF1600 Ian Beresford (as previous) plus Edward Wilcox
18/06/72 Silverstone FF1600 Chris Pryer, Ian Beresford and Peter Coston (as previous)
14/10/72 Oulton Park FF1600 Stephen South, Edward Wilcox and Chris Pryer (as previous)

Hope this adds to the discussion! :cool:

Hi,

This is my first post, so hopefully it will work OK. Having scanned this forum for a while, I decided to take the plunge and join as my car was being discussed!

I own the ex-Lamplough/Magee Palliser WDF3 (confirmed in FIA papers) and currently race it in the Classic F3 series which is now back to full championship status in the HSCC.

The car had previously been raced in the series very successfully by Barrie Maskell who won the 1600cc class with it in 1991-93 when the 1600cc class was I believe very competitive.

I have just had the car re-built (courtesy of Peter and James Denty) and am looking forward to a full season this year having done a number of races last year (in a Mallock Mk11b) and the year before (in the Palliser). The information here is great and very helpful as I am trying to learn more about the car and about Palliser's in general (I spent several productive hours combing through early '70s Autosports at Stoneleigh a couple of weeks back).

"I own the ex-Lamplough/Magee Palliser WDF3 (confirmed in FIA papers) and currently race it in the Classic F3 series which is now back to full championship status in the HSCC."

Welcome to this site - lots of enthusiasts with amazing knowledge of the Sport. :) I too have a Palliser - a WDF-2 that started life as an "inventory car" at Robert Winkelmann's concern in California in 1970. I don't know much else about its' history other than the last owner and so far I've not been able to track him down. :Shrug:

Check out this site if you haven't already.

<<www.f3classic.co.uk/Manufacturers/Palliser/palliser.htm>>

Cheers.

Hi Chris.
I may be able to explain how Vern Shuppan’s car appears to be in two places at the same time.
In 1970 Roger Keele drove the WDB3 works development Palliser, in 1 litre F3. At the end of 1970 this car went back to Palliser.
In 1971, Schuppan was due to drive the works development WDB4 in Formula Atlantic, but the car wasn’t ready. So Palliser fitted a BRM twin cam in to Roger Keele’s car, and Schuppan raced this car for the first couple of races until his own car was ready. So Schuppan drove two races with Keele’s converted F3 car, then the rest of the season in his WDB4.
Roger Keele’s car is now owned and raced by his younger brother Tony Keele, with the HSCC in Formula Atlantic spec.
More information and conformation about this can be found in AutoSport December 17th 1970 pages 8&9, and AutoSport March 25th 1971 page 25.
Hope this helps. ;)

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3809/winkelmannb40027okb3xk.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winkelmannb40027okb3xk.jpg)

I am hoping someone remembers this car. It is a Palliser/Winkelmann Formula Atlantic. The story I have heard is that the car was built as a Palliser and originally fitted with the Cosworth BDA and raced in England. At some point the car came to the US (California) where this body was fitted. The body is all aluminum and built by a fabricator named Hageman. I obtained the car from a man in Modesto California. He did not race the car but used it for time trials (autocrossing). I am looking for any information on the car. The car did not come with a logbook.


Thanks

I can't help with the bodywork but as an owner of a Palliser/Winkelmann Formula Ford I can tell you your car is likely a WDB-1 (or2?) which refers to Len Whimhurst, Hugh Dibley and Formula B. I don't think there were that many of those cars sold in North America. Whimhurst was the designer who formerly worked with Lola and Brabham and Dibley was a BOAC pilot and race driver who is described as the team patron. I suspect he had a little more funding than his salary allowed but know little about him. I met him at a Can-Am race back in the sixties where he drove a Lola T-70.
BTW, Robert Winkelmann is still involved in historic racing and lives in the San Fran area. :)
Is there a VIN tag on the car? It should be on the bulkhead behind the seat and is also likely stamped into the chassis.
Palliser won the inaugural British Formula Atlantic in '69 or '70. They rose and fell within a few years due to rapid growth, underfinancing - typical pitfalls of a new business.
Here's a link to some history through their F3 efforts.

<http://www.f3classic.co.uk/Manufacturers/Palliser/palliser.htm>

I might be able to find a few contacts of WDB cars in the States. I'll send you what I can find via a private message. ;) HTH.

It was 1971 with Vern Schuppan that they won the Brit FA championship. I also remember reading they built a few one-off cars for hill climbs and solo events - it could be that's the origins of your car.

Check this out.

<<http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/other/wdb1x1/wdb1x1pp.htm>>

We have covered a lot of this ground before:

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48293

Allen

I own a Palliser WDB2, chassis No.2. I have this car since about 9 years. I know that the car before it came to Europe was in the States and was bought out of Florida.
Does anybody know more about the history of this car? I would very much like to trace the whole history down to the beginning.
Thenks for helping me.

Oskar

Do you have a frame number? Can you tell me the name of the vendor in Florida?
I think that all the WDB2s were sold in America, but we might be able to come up
with some names!

Chris

Hi Chris:
I recently became aware of the revived Palliser/Winkelmann registry out of the USA. :)

<http://www.pallisercars.com>

It also has a Yahoo group site associated with it.

<palliser@yahoogroups.com>

Cheers.

Chris

There's a stack of good information on this Palliser site, including a chassis number for Schuppan's WDB4, presumably his second one. Also a history page that says who got the first three WDB1s. Also clarity on the model numbers, notably clearing up the name of the F3 model.

Allen

I have the orange Palliser F3 that Derek Lawrence raced in 1971, it has chassisno.: WD3/2-1, meaning that it is a F3 chassis, from the second series of F3 cars from the Palliser factory, and it´s the first chassis.
I still have the original chassisplate. Gareth´s car must then be WD3/2-2
From what I can see on the Palliser/Winkelmann website, the FF cars all have a F after WD.
The letter or digit just behind WD is the class of the car, the next number is the serie, and the last number is the number of this serie.
The car has been in my possesion for the last 14 years, it is now restored to it´s former glory, and I hope to race it frequent this summer.
Henrik Pedersen

Henrik, welcome back (2 posts in 4 years!), it's excellent news that you have the car restored and will be competing this year. Please keep us posted!

This is my first go at this, so bear with me.

I picked up the ex-Terry Ogilvy Hardy WDB4 last year. It was a basket case and Peter Denty and his guys are doing a great job bringing it back. As far as I can ascertian it is the last Palliser ever built. Chassis AM 71 20. Anyone know of a later one? I think 4 WDB4's were made.

I have excellent help in the provenance dept as Robert Winkelmann is my cousin, and very much alive and well at 77.

I'm looking for a pair of magnesium uprights if anyone has a pair tucked away in the workshop. I'm guessing that these uprights were used in other cars, can anyone help me with this? Wink can't as the WDB4 never made it to the States until much later.

The Palliser's first outing will hopefully be later this year. I'm aiming for the Oulton Park gold cup meeting.

Welcome Steve

The Palliser register has note of chassis "WDB4-5" with unknown AM number belonging to John Long (Bellevue, WA). This is said to be ex-Vern Schuppan.

Allen

Allen,

I spent some time with John Long at Laguna last year. His chassis number is AM 71 06, this was what made me think mine is a later car. (AM 71 20) The bodywork on my car is different to Johns with a slightly wider nosecone and an all in one vent on the main body. The rear is the same. Chassis wise they look identical.

Cheers
Steve

Hi Steve

You're quoting Arch Motors frame numbers which won't necessarily be in the same order as chassis number. Did you see the chassis plate on John Long's car? Does yours have a similar plate?

Allen

This car, I believe a WDB-4 FB was sent to the Winkelmann Distributor in Denver Colorado, "Rocky Mountain Winkelmann." The car was owned and driven by Keith G. Saunders (a friend, and the same man as mentioned in Lotus 41 thread), driven throughout the midwest SCCA division. Another friend and I worked on this vehicle, mechanicing for a couple events in 1971. This photo is from Lake Afton, Kansas, a purpose built road course around a park and lake somewhat south of Wichita.
The car arrived brand spanking new from the factory color orange and white with a Hart Lotus TwinCam installed. I don't know the chassis number, but it was a development of the chassis Schuppan drove to wins in the UK.
We spent a few days cleaning up the lines, adding rock screens, adjusting for the driver. It was a very nicely engineered car and easy to work on. I think most of the FB cars of the day were "over tired" and seemed to just add bigger and bigger "skins."

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/davhut/KeithsWDB4_1971sm.jpg

An early Winkelmann FB, I think this was Bob's personal car from West Coast, here being tested by Keith Saunders at Laguna, maybe around late 1970.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/davhut/WDB_sm.jpg

This brute is, to my knowledge, the only Winkelmann FA or F5000 car constructed. Tested I know by Vern Schuppan in the UK. I'm not sure it ever raced.
This and the preceeding photo are courtesy of the archived collection of Keith G. Saunders.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/davhut/WDAsm.jpg

This is probably the Franklen, the Len Bailey-designed, Frank Gardner-commissioned F5000 car intended for the 1970 UK season but not raced. Palliser then bought the project but again it didn't race. Alec Mildren then bought the car and it was raced by Bartlett in the 1971 Tasman as the Mildren-Chev.

Allen

Allen:
Any idea where I might find some action photos or history of this car in action?
David

Allen,

That does look like the Franklen/ Mildren , very unloved , Errol Richardson drove it once from memory as well as Kev. Bartlett , I think the car is still lurking around south of Sydney somewhere , maybe , just maybe it was turned into the Wortmeyer s/c hillclimb car , will investigate.

David, there's not much published on this car and I have barely enough for a page. For period photos, Autopics (http://www.autopics.com.au/) would be your best bet. I found this (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-1135public.html?cache=no) and this (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-2261public.html?cache=no).

Ted Walker has pictures from the 1971 Tasman which he's due to scan for me. I can't recall whether the Franklen was amongst those.

Would Keith let me use his photo on OldRacingCars.com?

Bryan, last I heard, Wortmeyer still owned it. I'd be very interested to learn more about its recent history.

Allen

David, there's not much published on this car and I have barely enough for a page. For period photos, Autopics (http://www.autopics.com.au/) would be your best bet. I found this (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-1135public.html?cache=no) and this (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-2261public.html?cache=no).

Ted Walker has pictures from the 1971 Tasman which he's due to scan for me. I can't recall whether the Franklen was amongst those.

Would Keith let me use his photo on OldRacingCars.com?

Bryan, last I heard, Wortmeyer still owned it. I'd be very interested to learn more about its recent history.

Allen

Allen,
Jack and Mae Wortmeyer passed away 2 years ago within days of each other. The car is still owned by the Wortmeyer family in Wollongong.

The cars last outing was the '74 Tasman round at Oran Park where the accelerator pedal fell off after 5 laps. Jack took the car home and stripped it. He did not want anyone to drive it again, he was very worried about a driver being injured in a car he owned.
He may have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way but he was truly a gentle man.

It still sits in the shed in exactly the same spot with all parts stored away.

Should the family decide to sell I have been offered the first option. As a young driver some 35 years ago, to be given the opportunity to drive an F5000 (even then an old one) was 'out of this world'.

Erol Richardson

Allen,
Jack and Mae Wortmeyer passed away 2 years ago within days of each other. The car is still owned by the Wortmeyer family in Wollongong.

The cars last outing was the '74 Tasman round at Oran Park where the accelerator pedal fell off after 5 laps. Jack took the car home and stripped it. He did not want anyone to drive it again, he was very worried about a driver being injured in a car he owned.
He may have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way but he was truly a gentle man.

It still sits in the shed in exactly the same spot with all parts stored away.

Should the family decide to sell I have been offered the first option. As a young driver some 35 years ago, to be given the opportunity to drive an F5000 (even then an old one) was 'out of this world'.

Erol RichardsonWelcome Erol, and thanks for this update.

You drove the car in 1973 and in 1974 didn't you? Do you know how Jack acquired the car? Did he get it straight from Mildren?

Allen

PS I really, really must write a page on this car now!

Allen,
The car was purchased from Alec Mildren after he had closed the race team, somewhere around mid '72 (memory is a bit foggy). It may have been 'unloved' but it arrived on the scene at the end of the M10B era and by '72 was outdated, as was the M10B.

I remember seeing a photograph taken at a Hume Weir meeting with myself on pole in the F5000 and Ray Winter in the Mildren 'Yellow Submarine' alongside. Both cars still in Mildren colours. I must try and track it down.

Erol

Link to another pic.

http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-1157public.html?cache=no

Why was it called the SC5 when you had it? Do you remember?

Why was it called the SC5 when you had it? Do you remember?
Jack was a benefactor of hillclimbing and his cars used supercharged VW engines, hence SCV. When he purchased the 'Mildren' F5000 he did not want to advertise Alec Mildren so it was renamed 'Wortmeyer SC5'.
Quite a 'to do' with CAMS as they did not want to issue a renamed log book, until Jack pointed out it wasn't a 'Mildren' either.

The SCV hillclimb car of recently deposed Australian Hillclimb Champion, Peter Gumley, was built and owned by Jack in 1970/71.

Pardon, if this has already been suggested, but Mr. Winkelmann is alive and well, tends to his email regularly, and might be interested in joining this thread should someone like to make the invitation. He's a top chap in all respects. And is an expert in Lotus Cortinas as well.

Norm

Why don't you drop him an email and invite him although I believe we may have already told him.

Why don't you drop him an email and invite him although I believe we may have already told him.

Happy to. I didn't think it my place being such a noob here, if you know what I mean.

I was thinking Wink might have some records which would help, not to mention his memories. I recall that his brother, perhaps, handled the UK end of the business. I'm not sure. (I'm a sedan guy, not an open wheel man.)

I'll drop Wink an email invite in the next day or so.

Norm