Sports 2000 - 1978

Whilst rummaging recently I found this...ahhhh those were the days :laugh:
http://paulsands.org/hwt2.jpg

Nice photo Oulton Park 1978? but can you name them all?

I reckon I can..Frank Sytner(19), John Webb, John Brindley(2), John Trevelyan(24), Wayne Wainwright & Chris Alford(23)mainly out of shot
The only one I'm not sure is whether it is John Webb directly behind Frank Sytner and yes I believe it is Oulton Park

Paul - it is Oulton, Old Hall and correct, John Webb in 2nd place in his 'Auto Association Trade Show 78' sponsored Tiga. Others from those days, Mike Kimpton, Desire Wilson, Nick Adams, Peter Sadler, Roger Woodward, Nick Linney, John Bury, Adrian Hall, Dud Moseley, Jeremy Rossiter, John Sheldon, Rod Gretton, Ian McCullough etc.

I'm pleased to be able to tell you that I shook down the prototype Lola Sports 2000 (490 ?) with Mr Broadley in 76 at Snetterton, the first of the S2000s. Also the March proto in whenever it was. Both were good straight out of the box.
Had a year in the US (East Coast) with a Tiga in 86 too.

do you still race?

The Webb Tiga pictured was one of only 2 SC77s made as I recall, the other one (ex-Brindley ?) was sold after the 77 season to Ernie Farncombe and sprinted from 78 onwards I think.

Shortly after the picture I believe Webb baled out and got a Lola, so making the grid nearly 100% Lola. Tigas came back though and were dominant in S2000 from early 79 onwards, up to the Aquila/Shrikes from 83 on. I wonder why the 77 Tiga didn't work, but the cars from 78 on were brilliant, any ideas ???

I think the March John refers to was the 81S, the year when March made cars for just about every category.

Hi Paul; well I enjoyed 34 seasons and made BRDC membership, but I need to concentrate on earning a living really - but I would if I would asked! Something nice in historics would be good. Someone I know is getting an F2 March BMW together which would be crisp. I have a couple of mates with super early Porsche racers; always happy to get my bum in one of those. I was at the Porsche factory the other day, drooling over the Carrera GT . . . !
Dan, you're spot on as usual on the March. The S2000 effort seemed to run out of steam rather.

John, whats the F2 March you mention, sounds very interesting. Re the March S2000 cars, I think Rob Wilson went well in one after you tested in 81, sporadic cars came out uo to 84, I think including the Bridge brothers amongst others. They always looked well, just not quite as quick as the best Shrikes of that era.

Hi Dan. re the March F2, it's a basket case just now, so we'll see.
Re the March S2000, it's aerodynamics appeared to be poor, the rear deck too long and high, not slippery enough.

The Webb Tiga pictured was one of only 2 SC77s made as I recall, the other one (ex-Brindley ?) was sold after the 77 season to Ernie Farncombe and sprinted from 78 onwards I think.

Shortly after the picture I believe Webb baled out and got a Lola, so making the grid nearly 100% Lola. Tigas came back though and were dominant in S2000 from early 79 onwards, up to the Aquila/Shrikes from 83 on. I wonder why the 77 Tiga didn't work, but the cars from 78 on were brilliant, any ideas ???

I think the March John refers to was the 81S, the year when March made cars for just about every category.

I own Webb's 77 TIGA and have a letter by the constructing engineer explaining why the car was so difficult to drive. Mostly because they had no experience in sportscars and used some of the existing F2000 suspension gear. I race this car in historics and it is still very entertaining to drive if not fast.

By the way: Does anyone know something of the whereabouts of Brindley's SC77 which was sold to Ernie Farncombe who raced it in 81 with a BDA engine (must have been frightening).

My car was sold to Sweden and also fitted with more powerful engines. Does anyone have some informations about this car between 1979 and 1999? it then was painted red and then yellow and fitted with a rear wing.

I would be glad for any news.

I own Webb's 77 TIGA and have a letter by the constructing engineer explaining why the car was so difficult to drive. Mostly because they had no experience in sportscars and used some of the existing F2000 suspension gear. I race this car in historics and it is still very entertaining to drive if not fast.

My car was ....... also fitted with more powerful engines.

I can't imagine that improved its driveability much!

Welcome to 10-Tenths, mohauck.

Whats this? (http://rupert8766.fotopic.net/p11521587.html)

Sports 2000 was one of my favorite classes, I have a only a few pictres of the cars but this one has troubled me, any idea what it was (is)?

If you look around the gallery there are also some pictures of Sheldon, Webb, Fulmar etc.

The pictures are all from different meetings and years, some I have id some are just a guess. If you think some are wrong let me know and it will be changed.

Nordic, it doesn't look quite like a S2000 does it? I wonder if it was one of the very early cars that pre-dated the series in 1977. I recall a couple of F100 Royale RP4s were converted to S2000, Jack Paterson had one, and Peter Slade also I think. Wonder if its one of these?

Nordic, I ran an Aquila a bit later than this. It was an 83 car (ex mike O'Brien) that I had in 85. Any pictures? We did mainly Thundersports with it.

TIA

Max

Nordic, it doesn't look quite like a S2000 does it? I wonder if it was one of the very early cars that pre-dated the series in 1977. I recall a couple of F100 Royale RP4s were converted to S2000, Jack Paterson had one, and Peter Slade also I think. Wonder if its one of these?

Dog-walking this am, the 'mystery' S2000 came to me. I reckon its the first Crossle, the 42S, that came out in 1980 with David Leslie I think. The no. 42 being the clue.

Nordic, I ran an Aquila a bit later than this. It was an 83 car (ex mike O'Brien) that I had in 85. Any pictures? We did mainly Thundersports with it.

TIA

Max

Sorry max I don't have any pictures of your car.

Thanks Dan for the info, I will change the title when I get a chance. The white helmet tallies with Leslie as well.

Hey guys, came accross this forum whilst trying to find old photos of my dad (John Trevelyan).. Like the S2000 shot at the top of this forum, but not meaning to be greedy, any idea of places to look for more??

Whilst rummaging recently I found this...ahhhh those were the days :laugh:
http://paulsands.org/hwt2.jpg


I'll check it out with my dad next time hes over. I'm sure he will know exactly who they are in the picture as he raced S2000 back then.

MM

The Webb Tiga pictured was one of only 2 SC77s made as I recall, the other one (ex-Brindley ?) was sold after the 77 season to Ernie Farncombe and sprinted from 78 onwards I think.

Shortly after the picture I believe Webb baled out and got a Lola, so making the grid nearly 100% Lola. Tigas came back though and were dominant in S2000 from early 79 onwards, up to the Aquila/Shrikes from 83 on. I wonder why the 77 Tiga didn't work, but the cars from 78 on were brilliant, any ideas ???


I worked for Howden Ganley and Tim Schenken on a one off project basis on the SC77. Briefly, the car was designed by a bloke was working in the design office at McLarens and who's name escapes me. Howden took the project on thinking it was a lot more developed and ready for production than it was and one way or another had to complete the cars already ordered.
There was no Tiga basis in the original design unlike the later and more successful cars.

http://paulsands.org/hwt2.jpg

The Picture is taken at Oulton Parks Old Hall Corner.

19 Frank Sytner - Lola 492.

1 John Pancho Webb - Tiga.

2 John Brindley - Lola 492.

Behind Car 2 Wayne Wainright - Lola 492.

24 John Travelian - Lola 490 (Front radiator).

3 Chris Alford - Lola 492.

According to my father who raced in the series at the same time. I do know Chris Alford so I will check with him at somestage.

MM

I worked for Howden Ganley and Tim Schenken on a one off project basis on the SC77. Briefly, the car was designed by a bloke was working in the design office at McLarens and who's name escapes me. Howden took the project on thinking it was a lot more developed and ready for production than it was and one way or another had to complete the cars already ordered.
There was no Tiga basis in the original design unlike the later and more successful cars.

Howard, I think it was a chap called Steve Webb (?) who designed the SC77, which Tiga built but did not come up with. Wonder who he was, I'd never heard of him before, or since.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3975/789ha.jpg

This was me in 1981 , the car was a Tiga 78 fitted with the later '79 bodywork which was lighter and appeared to have a better drag/downforce ratio. We did all the 200mile/2hr races at the time . Lovely cars to drive with very high cornering speed capability. This was a period of Ian Taylor and James Weaver who were really in a different talent class to just about everyone else. Good fun days.
Mike (Jersey) Taylor flew in for each race from the Channel islands , from the Hotel chain his parents owned, could be quick , had a lot of crashes and I think used up several new cars during the year.

It was Steve Harvey, not Steve Webb, who I meant a post or 2 up. I saw you Richard at the 81 Mallory Enduro S2000, with Nick Atkins and one other driver. 78 Tigas were v rare over here, so your car was a little different, tho' visually identical to the 79 and 80 cars IIRC.

What an excellent thread, i'm gonna have to rate it after!

Some of the names from '78 are obviously quite well known after all the other things they did as well. I remember seeing some of the races in '84 when it was still quite a competitive series with the likes of Sean Walker, James Thomson the Hillclimb ace (who tried to do what Andy Priaulx has successfully done today) Mike O Brien, Bill Coombs and Ian Flux I think.

Slightly off topic, Somebody mentioned the Aquila from 1983 that O Brien campaigned into '84. Did this Marque become Shrike towards the end of the category's heyday or am I thinking of different people?

Back to '78 drivers, We know Fearless Frank went onto a succesful touring car career (although not initially), but two other guys mentioned also attempted to follow the BTCC route IIRC.

Mike Kimpton and Wayne Wainwright were entered in Grp 1 Capris in the early 80's, it might have been around the time that Sytner had a crack in the TWR Rover or maybe bit before that? Anyone know who they drove for?

Sports 2000 in it's heyday of the late 70's was fantastic. Basically the FF2000 concept with full bodies on, but raced as perhaps modern BTCC should be. Very close with a bit of contact, but not the punting off which the BTCC suffers from. It's a pity it got a little lost like many other Formulae in the 80's.

What an excellent thread, i'm gonna have to rate it after!

Some of the names from '78 are obviously quite well known after all the other things they did as well. I remember seeing some of the races in '84 when it was still quite a competitive series with the likes of Sean Walker, James Thomson the Hillclimb ace (who tried to do what Andy Priaulx has successfully done today) Mike O Brien, Bill Coombs and Ian Flux I think.

Slightly off topic, Somebody mentioned the Aquila from 1983 that O Brien campaigned into '84. Did this Marque become Shrike towards the end of the category's heyday or am I thinking of different people?

Back to '78 drivers, We know Fearless Frank went onto a succesful touring car career (although not initially), but two other guys mentioned also attempted to follow the BTCC route IIRC.

Mike Kimpton and Wayne Wainwright were entered in Grp 1 Capris in the early 80's, it might have been around the time that Sytner had a crack in the TWR Rover or maybe bit before that? Anyone know who they drove for?

chunt, the Aquila was designed by Richard Owen, and came out in late 82 for Mike O'Brien I think. It was very different to the others, eg Tiga, Lola, Royales of the period, and went well.

I think there was some sort of legal wrangling as to the name/design rights, and the next year a very similar car, again designed by Owen appeared, now called the Shrike. IIRC only one Aquila ever appeared, though a good few Shrikes were made in the next few years.

It was Steve Harvey, not Steve Webb, who I meant a post or 2 up. I saw you Richard at the 81 Mallory Enduro S2000, with Nick Atkins and one other driver. 78 Tigas were v rare over here, so your car was a little different, tho' visually identical to the 79 and 80 cars IIRC.

Spot on Dan, Good days, we suffered from only being able to afford 2nd hand old tyres. I really enjoyed the long distance events.
The Willhire 24hr races were great memories too. Such a shame the then owner of BHL priced it out of everyone's reach.

http://paulsands.org/hwt2.jpg

The Picture is taken at Oulton Parks Old Hall Corner.

19 Frank Sytner - Lola 492.

1 John Pancho Webb - Tiga.

2 John Brindley - Lola 492.

Behind Car 2 Wayne Wainright - Lola 492.

24 John Travelian - Lola 490 (Front radiator).

3 Chris Alford - Lola 492.

According to my father who raced in the series at the same time. I do know Chris Alford so I will check with him at somestage.

MM

Double checked and all good!

MM

Chunterer,

There were two Aquilas running at any one time, one the works car for Mike O'B and another for Ian Flux. As dan thought there was a legal wrangle, and the first Shrikes were basically productionised Aquilas.

I bought O'B's car from Richard Owen, than Fluxie destroyed his at Combe testing and I bought all that was left (not a lot, believe me...). I kept bouncing mine off more Armco barriers than the wallet could support, and I sold it to a mate who had it rebuilt but then the trail goes cold. I *think* mine was chassis 003 but it was a long time ago.

Blimey, sounds like it was a particularly expensive hobby at the time... ouch!!

Lets hope someonenelse comes on to highlight the later history of the early Aquila's that you mentioned.

>>>>>>>>>Lets hope someonenelse comes on to highlight the later history of the early Aquila's that you mentioned.

Agreed. Have to say, i wouldn't mind seeing it in my garage again, I really liked the car.

Hello
Here is a pic of what might be Frank Sythners car. I can check with the owner and I doubt that he would paint it like that if it wasn't the original car.
Its a T492-80 according to our results table.
http://www.mkscandia.se/spgm/index.php?spgmGal=060528_Vartraffen&spgmPic=13&spgmFilters=#pic

Picture is from Sport 2000 heat at Mantorp Park Sweden 27May

I'm in the process of purchasing a Tiga sports 2000 sc82 from Bob Cacciotti who lives in Virginia. I do have some info on the previous owner and the cars ID.
Current owner: Bob Cacciotti (Virginia)
Previous owner: Giuseppe (Joe) Marannano (California)
ID/serial number on car: 180
The car raced in the California area in the early ninties and I've been told it was a winning car

If anyone can help me on either some race results from preferable before the end of 1986 or how I can reach the place where the Tiga cars were built or even someone may know if and when the log book was issued.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Ray Cleaver. Sydney, Australia. :)

Ray

I'll have a look in On Track for period results - assuming that Manannaro was the driver in the early 80s. However, until the national S2000 series kicked off in 1984 there wasn't much coverage of the class, so we have to hope he was quick enough to make the top three in SCCA races!

I'd say from the chassis number that this was a SC81 not an 82.
Chassis 177 was Wayne Rodoni's SC81 in period, and the next number in the Tiga build sequence that I have is 183 which was an Atlantic car. Both of these are late season, so your car might not have debuted until 82. The first proper 82 chassis number I have is SC82-190, delivered out in California.

Chris

Thank you Chris for your reply.
The ID/serial number is what the current owner gave me. I've ask him for a photo of the Tiga ID plate or if he can write down what's written on it.
Once I get that info I can only go on what I've been given, maybe thats why I seemed to be hitting brick walls on my searches. I hope you can come back with some results as I believe the log book has gone missing.
Regards Ray.:)

I am new to this forum and found this discussion interesting. I own Lola T490/2 HU4 which I have just found out was delivered to Davina Galica on March 18 1977. Does anyone remember this car or any of its history. The car came with a second set of well used, modified body work that indicates the car was used in Thudersports (or at least the body was) The car has centre lock wheels which might support the Thundersports history as it is my understanding that these were not allowed by rules in S2000. I believe the car came to Canada in 1983 and I am the third Canadian owner. The previous 2 owners believed the car to be an ex John Webb car. Does anyone remember or know history or have images of this car with either of these 2 drivers (Galica or Webb) Looking forward to hearing from you or any T490 492 owners or ex racers.

bob k.

Warm welcome, Bob!

Bob, thats quite a historic car you have there. It was used by Divi thru' the first S2000 season, in the UK in 1977. She won most of the races in the first half of the year, IIRC including the first ever S2000 race at Oulton Park Easter 1977. She ended up narrowly losing the series to John Cooper's T490. In a few races that clashed with her G8 Surtees races, the car was driven by sundry other stars, tho' I can't recall exactly who off-hand!

The next year, 78, it went to John Webb, another early UK S2000 stalwart, who switched from the first Tiga S2000 to this car midway thru' the year. IIRC he ran it thru' 79 too.

Could this be bob k's car?
Jwebb (http://rupert8766.fotopic.net/p11521589.html)

I have a feeling this was taken in the early 80's so it may be a different one

Nordic, no I don't think so, that 'RG' is for Ralph's Garage I think, which was David Prophet's entrant in 1980.

Dan, thanks for the info, it sounds as if you have been following S2000 for a good number of years. I had found the picture of the Webb Lola and wondered if it was mine as it appears to have center lock wheels (shiny centers) Do you have any recollection of the car, or any 492, being used in Thundersports with modified red bodywork? FYI it appears as if my car lost its original engine and gearbox along the way as they are not the ones supplied from factory. Do you know of any web site where I might find the S2000 race results or entry lists from 1977, 1978 etc.

again thanks for everyones input and information

cheers bob k.

I substituted for my boss, young John Brown in a 490 at Thruxton in 77 but Davina wasn't there. I got a lap record and was leading till John Cooper nerfed me off at the chiquane on the last lap, the *******!
He failed to attend the winner's reception at the end of the race, 'cos I was there, more ugly than normal.
He made up for it though and I raced with him at Le Mans some years later.
(I think I said all this in a previous thread, but I also worked for Eric Broadley at Lola on small race car projects including the brand new Sports 2000. In Thundersports though, I got to use F2 engined machines, TOJ, Tiga etc. Pukka!)

Dan, you are correct, Divina just confirmed that she did win the first ever S2000 race. She also states that the car was owned by Brands Hatch and run by Nick Whiting with Charlie Whiting as mechanic. Any more recollections out there?

cheers bob k.

Bob, thought so ! It was a lurid green colour, and sponsored by Kelly Girl, a UK employment agency of the time.

Bob, thought so ! It was a lurid green colour, and sponsored by Kelly Girl, a UK employment agency of the time.
and owned by John Webb Brands Hatch and used very much as a promotional thing for the new MCD formula. ?

Wasn't Juliette Slaughter scheduled to drive it when Divi had other commitments?

Chris

Chris, yes I think you're right. Did she ever though?

Re the car in T'sports, I don' t remember many T490/492s in this. They may have been in the few 'long-distance' S2000 races tho' from 1981-83 or so.

Re drivers filling in for Divina, I got a reply from her saying she does not remember any one else driving the car in her away races with the TS19. She also confirmed the Green co;our and the Kelly Girl sponsorship. The car ran with #13, her birthday and lucky number.

bob k.

There where 3 T492's entered in the Brands Hatch 6 hour in 1980 and 1 the following year.

The Program for 1980 lists one car, number 37 driven by syd fox as..... 'the ex Desire Wilson Sports 2000 Lola T492 for the TDC trailers team this year with the new TDC-designed bodywork'

The car finished 19th

Re other drivers stepping in for Desire Wilson, there is a picture in the program for a Aurora F1 race at Brands on 25/8/80 of J Slaughter being nerffed at Mallory park in 1978 while driving a 'kelly Girl' Lola.

Hope this helps

Thanks Nordic, this will send me searching in new directions. Are you able to scan and forward the programs you refer to?

In support of the long distance theory, I noticed that the fuel bladder in the car is dated 1980 and is fully occupying the cavity behind the cockpit, Is this a normal sized fuel bladder for these cars? I would have thought that a sprinter would only require a smaller bladder.

Does anyone have images of the TDC car Nordic refers to?

cheers bob k.

I'm in the process of purchasing a Tiga sports 2000 sc82 from Bob Cacciotti who lives in Virginia. I do have some info on the previous owner and the cars ID.
Current owner: Bob Cacciotti (Virginia)
Previous owner: Giuseppe (Joe) Marannano (California)
ID/serial number on car: 180
The car raced in the California area in the early ninties and I've been told it was a winning car

If anyone can help me on either some race results from preferable before the end of 1986 or how I can reach the place where the Tiga cars were built or even someone may know if and when the log book was issued.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Ray Cleaver. Sydney, Australia. :)

Tiga Cars were Tim Schenken and Howden Ganley in a factory in High Wycombe Buckinghamshire. They went in to Bankruptcy around 1990 and all the assets tooling parts etc were bought by Roger Andreason and moved to his factory in Winchester Hampshire

Does anyone know how many Lola T490s still exist today in original spec. I believe only 10 were made and "most" updated to 492 specs. If T490s still exist today, where are they and which chassis numbers are they? Have you seen any being raced in the last few years? My chassis HU4 is updated to 492 specs.

cheers bob k.