Cicale Can-Am cars

Tony Cicale built a sports car body for a Ralt RT1 to use in the Single-Seat Can-Am in 1978 and this led to a series of Ralt-based cars.

He modified or refined his car in 1979 and then built a second - or maybe two new ones - in 1980 for himself and Trueman. Later, these bodies appeared on a number of cars and they can't all be explained by those two or three Ralt RT1-based cars.

One, known as the Marquey, appeared in 1980 and was said to have been based on a March chassis, possibly a 80A. But photographs of the car on the 'Racing Sports Cars' (http://www.racingsportscars.com/) web site show apparantly identical bodywork to the 1978/79 Ralt-based cars.

Could a March 80A really fit under a body designed for a Ralt RT1? How similar were the cars' dimensions?

Thanks

Allen

Marquey (http://gto-racing.nexenservices.com/CanAm/canam_MargueyCA82hart.htm)

My french is not great, but this site claims the car was based on a Chevron.
To my eye the car looks the same as the Cicale in the pictures for 1980

BTW some of those can-am looked mighty strange, the sort on a mother could love;)

Hi Nordic

This page says that Roos has a Chevron B27 in 1979 and then returned in 1982 with the Marquey CA82, which it calls a March Formula Atlantic with a 2-litre Hart and a Cicale-style body. It also says Guider had used the same car the previous two years.

This is my understanding of the car but I also saw it referred to once as a March 80A.

And that's largely the reason for my question. Would a body designed for a Ralt RT1 really fit on top of a March 80A?

Allen

I've "borrowed" a few pictures from Racing Sports Cars (I know the owner and am confident he won't mind given what we're trying to do). You can click on these to get to the full-size image on his site.

Here is Tony Cicale in 1978 in his Ralt RT1:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1978/TN_Mosport-1978-08-20-047.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1978/Mosport-1978-08-20-047.jpg)

and here he is in 1979 in the "Ralt RT1 1/2":

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1979/TN_Mosport-1979-06-03-047.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1979/Mosport-1979-06-03-047.jpg)

In 1980, he was in the two-car Red Roof Inns team with Jim Trueman. Here is Cicale's "Cicale-Hart" car at Mosport:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/TN_Mosport-1980-06-22-047.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/Mosport-1980-06-22-047.jpg)

and at Mid-Ohio:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/TN_Mid-Ohio-1980-06-08-047.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/Mid-Ohio-1980-06-08-047.jpg)

and here is Trueman's at Mid-Ohio:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/TN_Mid-Ohio-1980-06-08-048.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/Mid-Ohio-1980-06-08-048.jpg)

Then Tim Evans drives one of these cars, said to be the "Ralt RT1 1/2" (implying Cicale's 1979 car) in 1981:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1981/TN_Mosport-1981-09-13-051.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1981/Mosport-1981-09-13-051.jpg)

Meanwhile, here's the Marquey at Road America in 1980:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/TN_Road_America-1980-07-20-068.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1980/Road_America-1980-07-20-068.jpg)

and at Mid-Ohio in 1981:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1981/TN_Mid-Ohio-1981-06-28-068.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1981/Mid-Ohio-1981-06-28-068.jpg)

and at Mosport in 1982:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1982/TN_Mosport-1982-06-06-069.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1982/Mosport-1982-06-06-069.jpg)

A second "Marquey" appears in 1982 but it looks like a Ralt RT2 to me:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1982/TN_Mosport-1982-06-06-068.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1982/Mosport-1982-06-06-068.jpg)

All those Cicale bodies look pretty much the same to me. Am I missing something?

Allen

Adam Ferrington has been able to supply chassis numbers from Ralt production records:

Originally posted by Adam Ferrington
Allen,

Cicale bought two Ralt RT1s :-

RT1-94 delivered in Jan. 1978
RT1-149 delivered in about Feb 1979

Does this fit?

ADAM From this we can be confident that the 1978 Cicale car was RT1-94 and the 1979 "Ralt RT1½" was RT1-149. This latter car seems to have gone to Evans for 1981 so one does wonder exactly what cars Cicale was using in 1980. Did he built two fresh cars? Did he update the 1978 and 1979 cars? If the latter, why would Evans still refer to his car by a 1979 name?

I've asked Adam if he can find any other RT1s going to Cicale or Truman for 1980.

Allen

Allen,

No other RT1s to Cicale or Truman.....plenty to Robertson but only for F Atlantic or F Super Vee.

There is only the "Can-Am" RT2 (172) (see my e-mail) sent to Robertson in June 1980.

ADAM

Adam

That's very helpful as it implies that 94 and 149 were the basis of the 1980 cars too. It's hard to imagine Cicale buying second-hand RT1s to replace his 1978 and 1979 cars.

So if 94 and 149 were the 1980 cars, it further implies that Evans' 1981 car was indeed the 1979 Ralt RT1½ (i.e. RT1-149) and the car that Truman had in 1980 (and retained until early 1982 thus apparantly ruling it out as the Evans car) was Cicale's 1978 RT1-94 upgraded to 1980 spec.

But all implication only. Not sure where I locate the proof.

And I still don't know what was in the Marquey.

Allen

PS RT2-172 was the Bill Blackledge car. Gove's earlier RT2 "167" was one of the ex-Toleman cars.

Allen/Adam

Moving this a little closer to home, any ideas on the Interserie F2/3000 cars used in early 90s ?

1990 Brands race, Roland Binder has a Ralt BMW, Rolf Gotz a March BMW, plus a couple of Maurers. I guess these were ex-works/Schafer cars. Josef Binder has a Lola Horag CanAm.

In 1991, a couple of other Marches, plus the BAT Chevy, what was that based on I wonder ? 1992 2 F3000 Reyanrd based cars, plus Lechners' Horag Lola, and 2 HSBs, whatever they were.

Some very interseting cars, a good mix of 'proper' sportscars + converted single seaters, though as a whole, not often especially fast. Any clues on the single seaters past histories anyone ??

Binder drove RT2-181. The Goetz car was an 832, anf Binder's was a T86/50, which he raced 90-92.

ISTR the BAT had some Lola bits underneath it, but of what type/vintage, I don't know.

Few other bits: Hasenbichler drove 812-8 for a while in Interserie, and Alfred Guldi drove the ex Eric Lang/Altfrid Heger 85B-12 from 95 onwards, and was still using it last year

When did Binder have RT2-181? I thought 181 was the Genoa Racing RT2 that went off to US Can-Am in 1982.

Could it have been ex-Can-Am when Binder had it?

Allen

Gents, remind me on RT2s please, that thread seems like a long time ago now !! Weren't there 4 F2s made, 3 to Tolemans, 1 to Schaffer, plus -172, the Blackledge CanAm car. So where does -181 come in ? I thought the Genoa/Flammini car was one of the ex-Toleman 79 cars???

Allen,

I have RT2-181 as being used by Peter Hardt in 1984-88, then to Binder -> Heinz Steiner (1990) and Rolf Goetz (1991). I'll have to look at the old RT2 thread, but I thought the Genoa car was 168 (ex Toleman re-numbered?)- can't remember what was said off-hand. I'm frantically trying to find my source for this...

In the RT2 thread (Page 3), Derek wrote

"181 - built with, or for, BMW engine in early 1980 for Cassani (Dougal), to Schafer (Winkelhock etc) for 1981 and one race in 1982, then various drivers (Hardt, Binder etc) in Interserie from 1984-1991. Currently for sale in Germany."

I don't think that's a sort of circular link, i.e I don't think i gave him that info. in the first place! (as I didn't know it was for sale in Germany...)

I've just lifted the Ralt RT2 (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1022583#post1022583) thread back to the top.

RT2s from the Ralt list
Note :- before c/no 151 type no. was not listed but I believe all were RT1s

RT2-152 Toleman F2
RT2-153 Toleman F2
RT2-154 Toleman F2
RT2-172 Robertson (agent) marked Can-Am - delivered 12/6/80
RT2-181 Cassani F2
RT2-278 Stanley F2 delivered 18/2/82 (Allen, I missed this one on the e-mail I sent yesterday)

No other RT2s listed

ADAM

Hi Adam

So what exactly was RT1-151?

I re-read the RT2 thread earlier and it does make more sense if there were only three Toleman cars.

Thanks again for this

Allen

Allen,

RT1-151 was a F.Super Vee for Robertson.....soon to appear on the RT1 thread.

ADAM

At last the Stanley mystery revealed, thanks Adam ! So it was a brand new RT2, or maybe RT6, where did it go after Wyatt anyone know ? We had thought perhaps it was a converted RH6.

We know where 278 went, or at least Derek does - It was /is in Florida, after it's advert in Autosport (see RT2 thread)

To get this back to the Cicale-Ralts, I've just heard from Peter McLaughlin who owns the 1980 Trueman car. So should know more soon.

Allen

Hello - I'm back!
Should be working on my race cars but - - - -

Many thx to Adam for providing the "Ralt Book" entries for the RT2 - out of interest where did that come from (or shouldn't I ask?) Did we ever really conclude why 152/153 became 167/????

Back to the Cicale bodies. It's my understanding that many people copied those bodies (I wonder just how effective the ground effects were) and they got refered to as Cicale bodies whether they were or not.

I might be able to find Tim Evans locally - will let you know if he remembers the Trueman car story.

I just phoned Richard (Dick) Guider and ask him to call me back. From previous chats with him the "3-ply" Marquey, the red/white one above, was his own design on a March chassis (may have been an 80A - don't know). I'll ask him about the earlier Marqueys and how much Cicale influence they had.

From memory there were some races where the car is listed as an RT2. This is probably confusion somewhere because Dick looked after both his own Marquey and Bill Blackledge's RT2 - and in some cases he drove the RT2.

Finally (maybe this should be on the RT2 thread) can anyone explain an RT2 driven by George McMillan, Bass Rock Garage, at Ingleston in 1983? Go to http://www.photobox.co.uk/shared/photo.html?c_album=14010&photo=167156&page=&group=

By the way last weekend I met Eddie Wachs and Horst Kwech (of RT2 "167" fame) for the first time. They had their Toleman TG280 out for the first time in many years (in F2 guise). This car was their 1981 CanAm replacement for RT2-167. Also saw RT2-278 again and had a good look at it - definitely has a genuine looking Ralt plate with 278 on it. And has a totally unique rear suspension subframe.

Supper calls (she who must be obeyed)

Derek

Derek

By the way the GTO-Racing/CanAm website (including Marguey) referenced above is an excellent collection of information but be careful using it - for instance quite a few of the pics are modern ones of restored CanAm cars and some of the summary information is misleading (assuming my French is reasonably correct). For instance he queries the 2.3L YBM engine in the March 744/77B car. Obviously it was not used in the actual CanAm series. This YBM engine is used quite a lot in historic racing here simply because BDGs and 420s are unobtainium (although we do try to police it to 2.0L!)

Derek

Originally posted by dereklola
Many thx to Adam for providing the "Ralt Book" entries for the RT2 - out of interest where did that come from (or shouldn't I ask?) Did we ever really conclude why 152/153 became 167/???? From Ralt. And, no, we didn't work that out.

Originally posted by dereklola
I just phoned Richard (Dick) Guider and ask him to call me back. From previous chats with him the "3-ply" Marquey, the red/white one above, was his own design on a March chassis (may have been an 80A - don't know). I'll ask him about the earlier Marqueys and how much Cicale influence they had.
The anticipation is killing me!!! I'm not sure that there was actually more than one Marquey. And could Dick confirm once and for all whether Marquey is spelt with a 'q' or a 'g'?

Originally posted by dereklola
By the way last weekend I met Eddie Wachs and Horst Kwech (of RT2 "167" fame) for the first time. They had their Toleman TG280 out for the first time in many years (in F2 guise). This car was their 1981 CanAm replacement for RT2-167. Did you get the chassis number of the Toleman? Any idea what became of the second car that they had?

Good to have you back

Allen

I'm pretty certain it's Marquey with a Q but I'll ask Dick. He hasn't returned my call yet - maybe off hydroplane racing - his first love. To my surprise marquey is not in the dictionary (nor with a G) - it's a little furry animal in case you didn't know - Dick lives in the forests near San Francisco.

Never even thought about Toleman chassis numbers. The other TG280 is owned by Paul Flowers of Alabama and looked after by Lee Chapman - see http://leechapmanracing.com/our_race_cars2.htm
- about half way down - I'll see what I can do about chassis numbers on those two cars.

Derek

Derek, re the MacMillan 'RT2', I'm pretty sure this was in fact the ex-Leslie/Duffield RT4, NOT a proper RT2. Its early though, so I may well be getting it mixed up, did Jim Stevenson also have this car ??

Dan - thx - I looked long and hard at the pic to convince myself whether it was an RT2 or RT4 - but still can't decide. Having an early example of both I can report that the only difference (other than engine etc) is that the RT2 has a 2" longer fuel cell compartment. This translates into a 2" longer base to the rollover bar triangle in side view.

I'll accept your explanation - otherwise our previous conclusions need revisiting!

Derek

OK - here's the gen on RT1-149. Tim Evans did indeed buy the Trueman car for the 1981 season.

Personal thought on RT1-1/2 designation. Looking through some race results recently I was momentarily confused by this entry "Ralt RT 1/2L/Red Roof Inns". Obviously it was meant to read "2L class" but it sure looked a little bit like "RT 1-1/2". Could this designation have originally been just a misread, or mistype, like I just did?

Hi Derek

You say Tim bought the Trueman car for 1981 and you mention "RT1-149". Did Tim tell you it was RT1-149? Do we know for sure it was RT1-149?

Also, in 1982, Trueman drove 'his old Cicale-Ralt' for a couple of races at the start of the season as he'd sold his 1981 car (the RT2) and his 1982 wasn't yet ready. Did Tim lend it (or sell it) back to him for 1982? Either way, did Tim remember what happened to his car after 1981?

Cicale definitely called his 1979 car the Ralt RT1½ but I agree the Evans designation could have been a mis-read.

Allen

OK - herewegoagain

Conversation with Tim Evans, 26 July 04 - Tony Cicale drove his own Ralt RT1 in 1979. Made another one for Jim Trueman and they both ran under Red Roof banner for 1980. Tim bought the Jim Trueman car (not the Cicale car) in late-80/early-81 without the Hart engine. Fitted BDG engine and after losing partner/sponsor only made last three 1981 races - Riverside 4 Oct, Laguna Seca 11 Oct and Las Vegas 16 Oct. Car "sat" for most of 1982 but rented it back to Red Roof for Olivier Chandon to drive at Las Vega - but DNS. Car then sold to Kurt Roehrig but "He ran Atlantic not CanAm" - however I do see a result for Roehrig in an RT1 at Lime Rock 3 July 1983. Car eventually bought by Jim Bartel, vintage raced occasionally by son-in-law Craig Bennett, with Hart engine about 10 years ago, then sat again until bought this year by Peter McLaughlan.

Pretty certain this was car 149 - but will see if this can be confirmed.

re Jim Trueman driving the first two 1982 races in "his old Cicale Ralt" because his RT2 car was not ready - Tim is certain that this was not the car he bought so it must have been the original Cicale car.

I asked Tim if he knew what happened to this car - did it possibly go to Tom Foster and Chuck Billington out west in Oregan/Washington. He said he didn't think so - thinks they built their own car.

Now to Dick Guider - conversation 26 July 04 - Firstly it is MarGuay - with a G not a Q - and with a U - not sure why since the South American cat is spelled Margay. He bought the original blue 1978/79 body from Tony Cicale and mounted it on a March 782 chassis which he bought from Toleman after the Dougal/Henton 1979 F2 season. This means Cicale made new bodies for the two Red Roof cars for 1980. Dick drove the car in 1980 and 81; then was approached by Bertil Roos who drove it starting with Mid Ohio in 1982.

At this stage questions and answers got a bit confused so I'm going to share some pics with Dick on his later "pod" bodies. Seems there was a March based Marguay "pod" car and either same or similar body used on Bill Blackledge's RT2. Will report back later.

Derek

Derek,

I was at mid-Ohio Canam race in '82 and i may have some photos, if you're interested. It will take some digging and no guarantee they'd be of the Cicale. I do remember Danny Sulivan spinning on 1st turn of 1st lap and jumping back into the fray against the marshalls direction and in front of the rest of the field.

It was also my introduction to SVRA, running a support race. How times have changed!

Roger

Correction - sorry - my correction was wrong! Derek

Derek

Great detective work. Let's hope Peter McLaughlan can confirm the chassis number of this Trueman-Evans-Roehrig car.

The Guider car is also most interesting as it explains rather neatly why the car had a Cicale body but also places another ex-Toleman 782 in the US in 1980. Looks like Toleman got rid of all their old stock to the Can-Am circus every year.

I wonder if "Marguey" is "Mar" for March and "Gu" for Guider with the "ey" to make it pronouncable. Did you mean "Margu[b]a[.b]y" or should that 'a' have been a 'e'?

Having gone through photographs of "the later pod cars", as you call them, on Racing Sports Cars I can only see the Blackledge RT2 looking like that. Unless I'm missing something, there is just the Cicale-bodied car and the RT2 ever entered as Margueys. Have you spotted a second one anywhere?

Allen

Allen

Just sending several emails with pics attached to Dick Guider - have date to talk with him in three hours - will respond again then.

Derek

The sales document from Trueman to Evans quotes RT1-149. Not sure if serial tag is still on car or not - have asked.

Spelling - it is Marguey with the second vowel an E. Confirmed this with Dick Guider just now - confusion last night because he is a better talker than listener!

Interesting follow up on the original Marguey. He did indeed start with the body he bought from Tony Cicale. But later on modfied the nose to a shovel nose a la Frisbee - look carefully at the 1984 pic of him spinning at Mid Ohio. He also stated he went back to a small gearbox mounted wing - big improvement in drag he said. (Well he would wouldn't he!)

One more Cicale bodied car you might have missed is the Ralt RT4 of Peter Greenfield in 1984. See pic on racingsportscars.com. Note how extensions were added to cover the wider track. He bought this body directly from Tony. They are and were good friends - both live on Long Island.

Now to the Blackledge car - RT2-172. In 1980 this had the ugly body installed before shipment from UK - by a Cyril Mayhem - anyone know him? Old tel nos were (0)202871102 (work) and (0)42546339. The replacement body shown in 1981/82 was built by Blackledge's crew chief Dave Briedenback, whom he stole from Guider and who now works for Chip Ganassi's Target Indy car team. The car was still RT2-172 even though it is labelled a Marguey in some cases. Dick and Bill were friends by now and operating together as Elite Racing.

Finally, guess we're off Cicale by now, the white 6/82 Trueman car is a March (822?) with side pods made from the Gove/Trueman/later-Wachs car. These same pods, probably from second generation molds, were used for the 1984 March based Marquey driven by both Guider and Blackledge and entered by Elite Racing.

Over and out. Flame away. Derek

I'm a little surprised by the RT1-149 identity but let's see how that might have worked. It's fairly clear that Cicale's 1978 car was RT1-94 and I would presume that his 1979 car was RT1-149. So, if Trueman has RT1-149 in 1980, then we must assume Cicale built his own 1980 car out of the older RT1-94. That's not what I would have expected.

An alternative possibility is that Cicale used RT1-149 in 1980 and allocated the older RT1-94 to Trueman but then Trueman actually sold his teammate's car to Evans, not his own RT1-149. But that doesn't really ring true.

Trueman's early 1982 car must logically have been Cicale's own 1980 car - so RT1-94. That implies RT1-94 wasn't raced through 1981.

So then we get our next puzzle. John Graham first appears in his Midland Racing Cicale-Ralt at Laguna Seca and Caesars Palace in October 1981. Evans drives in the same race so Graham can't have RT1-149 and as he also drove at Mosport in June 1982 alongside RT1-94, this implies he didn't have RT1-94 either. So Graham's car appears to be a third Cicale-Ralt. Maybe bodywork bought from Cicale (as per Greenfield) or maybe I've got RT1-94 wrong.

And then the David Locke Cicale-March turns up at Mid-Ohio later on in June 1982. The Cicale bodywork seems to be multiplying!

Cyril Malem was a fabricator in Dorset building Formula Fords and trying his hand at bigger stuff - usually without huge success. It was Malem that built the BRM P230.

I'll think I'll take a closer look at the Mosport 1982 pictures. And the pictures of the 1984 Marguey.

Allen

Here's the 1984 Marguey, driven here by Blackledge at Mosport I 1984.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1984/TN_Mosport-1984-06-10-068.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1984/Mosport-1984-06-10-068.jpg)

And to prove it's a different car, here's the "Marguey" Ralt RT2 at Mosport I 1982:

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1982/TN_Mosport-1982-06-06-068.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1982/Mosport-1982-06-06-068.jpg)

So I'll add a Marguey (Cicale-March) 1984 to my list. Can anyone tell me what sort of March that is? 822? 832? Derek - did Dick say where that 1984 car came from? I thought they might have acquired Roos' 1983 "Scandia B3", a March 822 I think, but the sidepods are quite different.

Here is that "Scandia":

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1983/TN_Mosport-1983-09-11-069.jpg (http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1983/Mosport-1983-09-11-069.jpg)

But as I look at it again, the cockpit surround and mirrors are not standard March yet look quite similar between Marguey and Scandia. Same car with new sidepods?

Allen

PS All pictures borrowed from racingsportscars.com with gratitude.

Nice to see this thread again. Irvin Zwicker, Tim Evans chief crew from 1981, emailed me today to remind me that Evans Ralt RT1-1/2 had a Ford BDG, not a Hart. I had failed to update that after Derek's research.

Allen

Further to the Trueman car, this was one of three RT-1 Atlantic cars that Chip Mead and I ran in '78 with Pierre Phillips racing in the Labatts Atlantic series. Jim sponsored Chip in 1979/80 and then bought one of the RT-1s for his own use. Converted from Atlantic to Cicale body by Clay Filson who worked for me until now heading the F/BMW series here in the US. Clay fitted a Hart 420-S for Jim. Jim did sell car to Tim Evans as previously stated.

Hi Bobby

Thanks for that. Since I last posted on this thread the Trueman car had been located and found to be chassis 106, which we knew to be one of your team cars. I wasn't at all clear on how that had become a Can-Am car but your story makes everything fit into place.

Do you recall who had used that car? Was it your, Chip's or the spare? Or did the cars get swapped around?

Allen

I wished I could remember which chassis numbers I used in '78. We know 109 was my main car, but at Like Rock that year I was forced into the backup car after a huge shunt in practice. I ended up winning the race and can only surmise that since Chip used one car all year that 106 was my car for that race.

I went back to 109? for the rest of the year if I remember correctly. I will keep digging!

Good story about Tony Cicale: Tony and his wife during the early years had a VW which was stolen......they were devistated....until it was returned with a note that read "You need this car more than I do" I was there on Long Island and have first hand knowledge that this is true.......RJ Nelkin

Hey Bobby...............A Long time since.........RJ Nelkin
ps. Sometimes folks ask me about the Black Lola T-530 that was for Herb Caplan but Carl sold to us and why it was not our Colors...All the best to you and your family.

I wished I could remember which chassis numbers I used in '78. We know 109 was my main car, but at Like Rock that year I was forced into the backup car after a huge shunt in practice. I ended up winning the race and can only surmise that since Chip used one car all year that 106 was my car for that race.

I went back to 109? for the rest of the year if I remember correctly. I will keep digging!

Bobby, according to the Ralt records the three RT1s sold to Phillips for 1978 were 106 [marked as blue with white cockpit] then 109 marked in records as dark blue/light blue, which is how your car shows up in pics, and then 129 [blue/white] delivered 18 May - which I guess was the spare car you ran at Lime Rock.
Bill Wagenblatt of Seattle has sent me quite a lot of photos from that Lime Rock race and it is clear that you have two different sets of bodywork, so I guess two cars.

I think that your two cars were sold to a dodgy organisation called BTG Racing 'Beat the Government' which quickly folded. Tim Fortner inherited the cars and ran them for a few years in California. I think one was sold to Ted and Nancy James and the other to Wyatt Gerrells [both in 1982] but have nothing on them after that.

Chris

Ted and nancy james ran their RT1 in C sports races for many years