I don't like the new Forum Layout

Am I the only person who doesn't like this new design?

I don't know. It's all a bit too flashy and cluttered. It needs to be streamlined a little bit, get rid of some of the more unnecessary boxes and graphics. Bigger isn't always better. I might get used to it, eventually. It may just be the warped color and pixelated resolution of my home computer. I'll check it out tomorrow on my laptop to make sure.

I'm sure your not alone Fish_flake, change never goes down well with 100% of the people :)

Some things are pure taste, and as such everyone will see it differently.

But the bad news mate is I hope you get used to it, because we are'nt changing it back. ;)

PS, check out the option at the bottom left of the screen, you may be able to change it to something you do like. :)

Am I the only person who doesn't like this new design?

I don't know. It's all a bit too flashy and cluttered. It needs to be streamlined a little bit, get rid of some of the more unnecessary boxes and graphics. Bigger isn't always better. I might get used to it, eventually. It may just be the warped color and pixelated resolution of my home computer. I'll check it out tomorrow on my laptop to make sure.

Its worth noting that we had similar discussions when we first saw the proposed format. It ran for aout a month in a staff area (where there's a lot of "secret squirrels" aparently) and much the same answers came back.

One of the good things with this set up is the options to change the format. Its also easier to pic a format from the list of affiliates. Each one has a different "skin" and you may find one to your liking.

Apart form anything else the site has loads of extra toys to play with.

Its also easier to pic a format from the list of affiliates. Each one has a different "skin" and you may find one to your liking.
As things stand currently each affilate 'skin' just changes the colours used and maybe adds some addition links/graphics to the header. The actual format used by the forum is exactly the same.

Fish_flake's problem was that the forum layout looks cluttered and has too many unnecessary graphics, something whihc in part I agree with. Changing to a different affiliate style isn't going to help him.

As we have a forum for comments about the new site, I'm splitting out posts dealing with this to the appropriate forum.

Fish_flake, well done! :) It's perfectly ok not to like it and I'm actually a bit relieved that someone doesn't!

We knew it was never going to be the case that everyone would like the new layout. However, the final layout is the result of a 5 week assessment and rework of the "default" vB3 template.

It's a long way from how it looked initially. There may be some changes to the layout over time in response to forum requirements, but there won't be anything drastic.

Do take a look at your control panel - there are some features than can be turned off or rejigged.

What things don't you like specifically (I'm not saying we'll change them, but we need constructive feedback! :) )

Well, you can't please everyone...
The majority of users, including me, seem to enjoy the new layout.

A lot more modern than before in any case, which is good.
A lot more choices in colourschemes, without having to wade through different codes in the taskbar, which is also good.
And a lot of other stuff, which are pretty much all good too. ( colours! :rotate: )

So you see, it's all good! ;)

As things stand currently each affilate 'skin' just changes the colours used and maybe adds some addition links/graphics to the header. The actual format used by the forum is exactly the same.

Fish_flake's problem was that the forum layout looks cluttered and has too many unnecessary graphics, something whihc in part I agree with. Changing to a different affiliate style isn't going to help him.
Can you be more specific about the "unnecessary graphics"?

Also it doesn't appear to me to be "cluttered". Again what are you and FF specifically getting at?

As things stand currently each affilate 'skin' just changes the colours used and maybe adds some addition links/graphics to the header. The actual format used by the forum is exactly the same.One of the flexibilities of vBulletin 3 is that the templates can be heavily modified and the entire look/feel of the site can be changed.

Fish_flake's problem was that the forum layout looks cluttered and has too many unnecessary graphics, something whihc in part I agree with. Changing to a different affiliate style isn't going to help him.The actual "physical" design that you see is a compromise design based on feedback from the staff who had access to the new design since roughly mid October.

You can see what kind of layout customisation we can achieve by looking at this thread as it is now and with the "10Tenths - Solid - Horizontal" style.

If anyone wants to commission their own style then they can contact me and we can discuss rates. :)

My only gripe was the layout.........

But by this thread directing me to the bottom left, and -- 10Tenths - Liquid,

and back to normal ;)

One of the flexibilities of vBulletin 3 is that the templates can be heavily modified and the entire look/feel of the site can be changed.
Grant, I'm aware that these things can be changed, the point I was making was that it is not currently being done. In other words the stock answer of "if you don't like it use another affiliate" given by both Wrex and Peter is, at this point it time, actually of no use.

If you want specifics then I think the various icons for 'post reply', 'report bad post' etc are a good starting point. Somehow the design of add reputation and bad post icon doesn't seem to match the style of the other button. It's as if they were pulled from various sources rather than being part of a unified set, alhough I suspect that's not actually the case. Thinking back some of these may have been text links before anyhow.

I guess it's just all new and will take time to get used to but my initial impressions were that the new icons were too distracting.

Have you checked out the 'horizontal' style below?

I have and I like it even less :(

Putting the avatar and user details between each post means I have to scroll even more to read the page and breaks up the flow of the thread. Before anyone says, yes I could turn the avatars off but you'd still have a largish space for location, join date, etc.

To be honest I don't like it either but it is an option if things look too cluttered. I guess it's simply a case of giving it time to get used to the changes.

i'm already used to this type of forum software . and it's ok .

I have and I like it even less :(

Putting the avatar and user details between each post means I have to scroll even more to read the page and breaks up the flow of the thread. Before anyone says, yes I could turn the avatars off but you'd still have a largish space for location, join date, etc.So what would be your solution?

You have enough choice of skins so i can't see the problem, I just don't like Peter Mallet's font

So what would be your solution?
For starters merge Join Date, Location, Flag, Number of Posts, Reputation, AIM icon, Yahoo icon into a single horizontal line. By the time you've all of those stacked one on top of the other there's an awful lot of wasted space.

To see what I mean look at http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1171370#post1171370

Not picking on Mackmot but it illustrates my point. For a single line of text the post takes up a lot of vertical screen space (using the 'regular' styles)

For starters merge Join Date, Location, Flag, Number of Posts, Reputation, AIM icon, Yahoo icon into a single horizontal line. By the time you've all of those stacked one on top of the other there's an awful lot of wasted space.
Are we talking about the normal 2-column style or the "Horizontal" layout

The horizontal layout was simply an example of how we CAN change the templates, it's not a permanent template.

Normal 2 column style

Putting them on a single line is really naff, because it wouldn't stay on a single line, it would wrap in "unpredictable" places and makes the layout a mess.

Putting them on a single line is really naff
Weren't location, number of posts and join date on a single line in the old Ten-Tenths style style prior to the update? Seemed to work ok then.

I like this new style a lot.

I always thought forums with avatars and all sorts of icons looked cluttered but i think this is tidy and attractive. It's great that we can have a bit more of a personal touch by adding flags, a piccie etc...

Although I still hate this reputation rubbish!!! :laugh:

You have enough choice of skins so i can't see the problem, I just don't like Peter Mallet's fontActually it's not my font. I just use it cos "Comic Sans" is er humorous? ;)

Although I still hate this reputation rubbish!!! :laugh:
Don't take it seriously. Mine isn't very good either but hey ho.

Actually it's not my font. I just use it cos "Comic Sans" is er humorous? ;)


Not a reader of this website (http://www.robinjohnson.f9.co.uk/comicsans.html) then, Peter? ;)

:beer:

Cue for a thread, methinks. Thanks for the pointer (you obviously have little to do during the day).:humbug:

You have enough choice of skins so i can't see the problem, I just don't like Peter Mallet's font

And I don't like your colour. ;) Don't use light blue please.

Layout looks really neat, but like Dani Filth I'm used to it from another forum. Haven't had time to check out all the options yet, will read new FAQ and get back to you if I have any questions.

Upgrade seems to have gone like a breeze, cheers to you Grant and Terri for a job well done! :beer:

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[flag] location

Thanks Grant, much better :)

Can I make another suggestion (it's not a winge, honest). Move the reputation icon higher up to just below the stars, or maybe alongside the stars. As most of us have only got a single green square it looks odd squeezed in between the flag and Aim icon. Or maybe just lose it all together as I'm not convinced anyone actually understands what it actually means. ;)

I just want to say that the layout is much better on my laptop. I've started to play around with the skins, and I'm coming to like the Liquid and Parc Ferme styles.

I just gotta say what I think....

I have been involved in accepting a few Technical Manuals over the years and there is a thing called the Black to White ratio for printed pages...there is a good balance....the forum now has too much white

Big Fonts - man even with my aging eyes they are extravagent and wastful of screen space....again the human eyes don't like to travel too far when reading....so thats why you see columns in magazines and some books about 3-4 inches wide (7.5 to 10 cm) so it is easy to scan and read

The banners now take up half the screen...

The presentation looks like "Comic Book" style...

and finally, you get less posts per page so you haveto scroll really really fast caus eya can read really really fast and then wait to change more and more pages because you may only get four posts per page!!

I don't like it at all....solly

I just gotta say what I think....

I have been involved in accepting a few Technical Manuals over the years and there is a thing called the Black to White ratio for printed pages...there is a good balance....the forum now has too much white

Big Fonts - man even with my aging eyes they are extravagent and wastful of screen space....again the human eyes don't like to travel too far when reading....so thats why you see columns in magazines and some books about 3-4 inches wide (7.5 to 10 cm) so it is easy to scan and read

The banners now take up half the screen...

The presentation looks like "Comic Book" style...

and finally, you get less posts per page so you haveto scroll really really fast caus eya can read really really fast and then wait to change more and more pages because you may only get four posts per page!!

I don't like it at all....solly
Firstly, this thread is for constructive criticism and I don't find any constructive suggestions in this post.

So what's your suggestion to rectify the whitespace problem? Fonts/Font sizes, the site uses predominantly standard font sizes, infact the only place I can think of where we go larger than standard is the display of the username in the "postbit". Other font/size use is at the discretion of the poster and as with anything new there will be a rush to play with them for now and it'll all settle down in good time.

Banners and advertising. Sure, if you'd like to fully fund the hosting bills for the server then contact me and I'd be more than happy to take the banners off.

Comic Book style, again, in what way would you change it?

I would like to say that I actually think the forum layout is really quite good. It's clean, easy to read, and the text isn't a whole lot bigger than in a standard word processing program.

May I suggest to those who don't like the look of the layout to check that you are actually using the standard layout. Or to try one of the different affiliate layouts *points to selection box on bottom left of page*.

Perhaps your browser is causing the issue - most have an option to reduce font sizes across the board (eg you can set the fonts to be smaller, and it works relatively).

I understand that everyone isn't going to like something, but perhaps give the guys a bit more credit than they are getting. They have been testing the layout on a 'test' server, and they showed screen dumps of the layout before roll out and no complaints. They schedule the roll out of the new version on the weekend of the v8 finale, so they move it out of the way. And they finish the job a day ahead of schedule.

I think at the end of the day, we should be applauding their work. Of course, anything contstructive that can help make the place better isn't a bad idea, but the jibberish I read from 275 GTB-4 doesn't cut it.

We now return you to our regular programming...

I can think of lots of problems with this site but as I'm sure that Magneton and Wrex) wouldn't consider any of it to fall under the category "constructive", I won't say anything! However, I will recommend that you stop getting so defensive when people express concerns about the new layout :rolleyes:.

Viewing this at the moment, it just seems that *something* is not right with this forum. It's not a case of me not liking change either - I am bloody good at embracing change! However, this seems to be the work of a new senior team trying to make their mark on the forum by changing things (new Editors of journals and magazines do it all the time). But until I can pinpoint exactly WHY I think it is wrong and HOW I think it can be improved in a way that won't cause offensive and personal distress to the senior team, then I won't say any more on the subject.

Ok just to clarify:

Firstly, there is no point in people just coming in here and saying "I don't like it but I don't know why". What exactly are we supposed to do about that? If you don't like something, then fine. Tell us what it is. We may not agree and we may not change it but without the benefit of a crystal ball "I don't like it" doesn't cut it. As far as I can see, if we don't agree with someone's comments or wave some magic wand to deal with amorphous problems, we're considered to be "over-sensitive".

To use your analagy with journalism, if I was your editor and you submitted an article and the feedback from me was "don't like it" with no feedback or suggestions, would you consider that helpful?

Secondly, this is not change for the sake of change or change to put some kind of territorial mark on the site as you appear to believe. May I refer you to the FAQ which addresses the reasons for the upgrade.

Sorry Suzy but the upgrade would have come anyway whoever was running the site. Over and above that all of the staff were involved in the amendments to the design so how you can blame it on 'a new senior team trying to make their mark' is beyond me.

People don't like change - that is a fact. But sometimes it's not just change for changes sake - sometimes it's genuinely a change to try and improve things for the users. And that is what we have in this case. Now, as you will have seen, Grant has been quite reactive to the positive feedback that he has received but when it is whining for whinings sake then he has every right to ignore it if he sees fit.

haha and I think the fact that one of the 'new senior team' and one of the old were posting the same thing at the same time goes to prove that it's not some newcomer trying to impose their mark on things.

I made my points on the other thread - I don't know if its the layout or not but I keep missing stuff out.

I really don'tlike the new layout at all. There is too much white on the page, too much going on in the wrong places - everything leads your eye away from the postings - which also do not flow well. Its just not easy on the eye, though I do like the idea of avatars (mainly because mine is by far the coolest - shame its 2 years out of date!)

The old style 10-10ths was a far better layout

Sam, may I direct you to this page:

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/faq.php?faq=upgrade_issues_faq#faq_upgrade_issues_why

If you have anything constructive to add then please feel free otherwise there's little we can do for you. To those who complain of too much white - where? If you mean that the post table is too long then try turning off the avatar display in your options section.

Ok just to clarify:

To use your analagy with journalism, if I was your editor and you submitted an article and the feedback from me was "don't like it" with no feedback or suggestions, would you consider that helpful?

Well, that's how the Autosport topic has been dealt with for months now! Anyway, that's how the company I work for deals with things so I couldn't really care less.

But, if you want me to tell you what my half-brain cell thinks is wrong then I will.

1) The layout is central in the middle of the page. Can you widen it a bit so that it takes up the width of the page rather than appears as a box in the centre? Spread it out a bit - make it a bit wider. What page size has this site been designed for?

2) The grey is a bit drab for me. I'm not switching to an affiliate colour scheme. I want to view Ten-Tenths directly rather than having to go via an affliliate.

3) I don't think one or two staff can judge the new layout of the forum - it needs to be tested by regular users instead of just Moderators who have access to additional forums and features. What works for you lot may not work for the peasants like us.

4) I have already removed the avatar and signature functions and it's still displaying in an odd manner. In fact, I've removed as many of the special features as I can in an attempt to get it to download effectively using both IE and Firefox. Each post seems to be too large for what it actually is.

5) I've queried the feedback function in another thread - you may want to check if the Act in question covers Bulletin Boards.

Those are my comments so far.

To answer 1) Go to the drop down menu in the bottom left hand corner and select the 10 Tenths - Liquid option.

1) The layout is central in the middle of the page. Can you widen it a bit so that it takes up the width of the page rather than appears as a box in the centre? Spread it out a bit - make it a bit wider. What page size has this site been designed for?
Try the "Liquid Layout".

2) The grey is a bit drab for me. I'm not switching to an affiliate colour scheme. I want to view Ten-Tenths directly rather than having to go via an affliliate.
Oops. Mind you, I believe the "Mallett Racing" skin is very nice. ;)

3) I don't think one or two staff can judge the new layout of the forum - it needs to be tested by regular users instead of just Moderators who have access to additional forums and features. What works for you lot may not work for the peasants like us.
Bit unfair to us Suzy. We all (about 20 of us) had the opportunity to view, play and comment. It would be a bit extreme to expect a respnse from 13000 posters and sift through all those comments.

4) I have already removed the avatar and signature functions and it's still displaying in an odd manner. In fact, I've removed as many of the special features as I can in an attempt to get it to download effectively using both IE and Firefox. Each post seems to be too large for what it actually is.
I use IE6 and its working perfectly. Maybe its an ISP problem? I'm also running dial up.

5) I've queried the feedback function in another thread - you may want to check if the Act in question covers Bulletin Boards.
Yes, very valid point and I'm sure Grant or Terri will review it.

1) The layout is central in the middle of the page. Can you widen it a bit so that it takes up the width of the page rather than appears as a box in the centre? Spread it out a bit - make it a bit wider. What page size has this site been designed for?


Please see this section (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/faq.php?faq=whats_new_faq#faq_whats_new_layout) in the FAQ.


2) The grey is a bit drab for me. I'm not switching to an affiliate colour scheme. I want to view Ten-Tenths directly rather than having to go via an affliliate.

This was the closest we could get to the original colour scheme. We tried it with other colours, but the staff voted this colour scheme as the preferred one.


3) I don't think one or two staff can judge the new layout of the forum - it needs to be tested by regular users instead of just Moderators who have access to additional forums and features. What works for you lot may not work for the peasants like us.

It was tested by all staff - of which there are currently over 30. It is standard with any upgrade for the testing to be done by a selected beta group. There are over 14,000 registered users on this site - it's simply not feasible to deal with them all for testing.


4) I have already removed the avatar and signature functions and it's still displaying in an odd manner. In fact, I've removed as many of the special features as I can in an attempt to get it to download effectively using both IE and Firefox. Each post seems to be too large for what it actually is.

Please see this section (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/faq.php?faq=upgrade_issues_faq#faq_upgrade_issues_slow) in the FAQ for details on how to report problems.


5) I've queried the feedback function in another thread - you may want to check if the Act in question covers Bulletin Boards.

Act?

1) The layout is central in the middle of the page. Can you widen it a bit so that it takes up the width of the page rather than appears as a box in the centre? Spread it out a bit - make it a bit wider. What page size has this site been designed for?The original Ten Tenths design used a fixed width box in the middle of the screen of exactly the same width as the present "Solid" style. If you look to the style drop-down at the bottom left and select "10Tenths - Liquid" you'll get a style that flows across the whole width of the browsers.

2) The grey is a bit drab for me. I'm not switching to an affiliate colour scheme. I want to view Ten-Tenths directly rather than having to go via an affliliate.The colour scheme is very similar to the old scheme but with a little more blue to reflect the colour scheme of the Bentley header banner.

3) I don't think one or two staff can judge the new layout of the forum - it needs to be tested by regular users instead of just Moderators who have access to additional forums and features. What works for you lot may not work for the peasants like us.All the forum staff, moderators and affiliate partners were given access to a demonstration board for five weeks before the changeover and the current design is based on extensive feedback.

4) I have already removed the avatar and signature functions and it's still displaying in an odd manner. In fact, I've removed as many of the special features as I can in an attempt to get it to download effectively using both IE and Firefox. Each post seems to be too large for what it actually is.There are one or two things that we're looking at to change slightly the layout of the user information column of the "postbit"

I'll try my best to answer your questions:

1) Try using the '10 Tenths - Liquid' style which you can select by using the little box selector at the bottom left of your screen.

2) I don't have a saved copy of the old layout but I'm pretty certain that there was an equal amount of grey cells on the page?

3) I don't see you as a peasant, Suzy, far from it. However this is why Grant is requesting constructive feedback on the new site. As has been said it is no good saying that you don't like something unless you tell us why and how it can be improved. I am sure that Grant is grateful your second post was coming from the right direction in that regard.

4) Not seen your other post yet will go look.

Don't like it either :( Lots of other forums use this same software/layout and I've never liked it.

The forum home pages:
Gripe: waaaaay too liberal use of the "title" attribute on the "td" tag on forum pages. A tooltip when you hover over a table cell? Arrgghh, what were they thinking? I hate that. And if you look at the source, it takes up quite a lot of bytes over the course of a forum home page. Think of the people on icky modems.
Gripe: avatars. Makes the page look like a PS2 discussion forum for 12 year olds. First thing I did was turn 'em off.
Gripe: the table cells in the list of messages look wrong. Like the spacing is wrong or something. They're too big for the content that they hold.
Gripe: the status icons for threads are too big. I think they should be a couple of pixels smaller. Actually, maybe that's causing the previous gripe.

The thread view:
Gripe: clutter everywhere!
Gripe: the flag for the user's country is clutter.
Gripe: the "quote" and "reply" images are big and dumb looking.
Gripe: the repuation thing is unnecessary competition. "Number of posts" is a cool way of distinguishing ourselves and I think it should be all that's needed.
Gripe: the "#8" post-in-thread counter is unnecessary clutter. Maybe that was there before, I can't remember...
Gripe: the icons in the cell above each message (online, reputation, report post, etc.) are too big.


Ah, heck, I could go on forever. Probably some of those are just things that I'd already gotten used to in the old view, but the new layout makes me notice them more. I think it's looks nasty, like a forum for tennage gamers. Sorry to be negative. I'll get used to it, but I have to be honest: I don't like it.

Blimey I never thought I'd hear anyone complain about the tooltip thing - I LOVE that!! :)

I guess I can see what you're saying about the 'icons' on the forum list page however. I know when we upgraded to vB2.0 the first thing we did was to ditch the standard icons and put our own on it - maybe something for Grant to consider? In my view perhaps the new ones aren't as clear as the old - that's something I have noticed since we 'went live'

The link to this post was there previously. However it was linked in to the on/off gifs that denote whether or not the post was written since your last forum visit.

I, along with the majority of users like the avatars and flags. However they are something that can be easily disabled in the user options so I don't really think they're worth discussing - if you don't like them switch them off like you have done.

Try using the '10 Tenths - Liquid' style which you can select by using the little box selector at the bottom left of your screen.


Switching to 'liquid' sorted out my major gripes :) the amount of white space is reduced, the posts appear less 'pinched' on the screen and the banners at the top take up less of the screen height. Switching off avatars helps too.

I have to admit though I did prefer the old version of the software (although I fully understand why continuing on that version isn't an option), it just seemed to be a simpler, more straightforward layout.

All in all though good work! Glad the upgrade went relatively smoothly, congrats to the team and thanks :beer:

On the liquid thing, it works better on this computer than my home (widescreen) laptop - where solid works better. I guess because the average post is 'deeper' now, it also needs to be 'wider' in proportion to be easy on the eye.

I must be looking at a different forum to some people, because I can't for the life of me see half these "problems"!

I'm using a widescreen laptop and the Ten Tenths Solid template works absolutely fine - and the look and feel of the site just looks like an up-to-date version of the traditional ten tenths.

The only tiny thing I've noticed - and this is since the tweak to the layout of the user information panel is that it doesn't look as good as it did yesterday.

Some people's star rating has gone immediately after where it says "Veteran" or "Racer" - eg Veteran ***, whereas some people's has gone underneath the rank title. That variance looks a wee bit messy, but I guess it's impossible to please all the people all the time. Also the stars for Craig and Wrex seem to have disappeared, which is a shame, as it added a nice bit of consistency to the site that everyone had a star rank.

But that's just a minor foible - on the whole it's looking great. The search function is much MUCH faster than on the old site too!

The only problem I am having is with slow running in IE6 but I am sure I will sort that myself.
To be honest I can't remember what the old layout was like but then I am old and have been eating aluminium.

Must say that I'm runniing IE6 at home (on my laptop) and here (at what I laughingly call "work") and its fast for me. I don't suppose you've got an ISP problem have you Falc?

Right - things are improving now I have changed to the liquid style. The problem is that it keeps reverting back to the old style when I log-out and log-in again. Is there something in the Control Panel that will keep it on liquid style? Or is this likely to be an Internet Explorer "issue" due to settings?

Yes you can set it to default.

Go to Contol Panel and find the necessary link in your profile (I believe).

I think it is great, well done you all.

One thing to bear in mind is that the attraction of 10 Tenths is the content, the members, and the standards of the forum. They will not change.

I'm the biggest stick in the mud you will find, my first reaction to the new look was 'where is' and 'how do I'. Now I've found my way around I have to say the functions are much easier and the look is actually cleaner. Stuff like being able to use bold and italic type in the quick reply box are a real bonus.

I'm sure it will 'bed in' for those not yet used to it, and become 'part of the furniture' again.

ST

Tip: Change to 'liquid' style and lower the text size (View menu->text size) down by a notch - much easier to read IMHO, unless you're partially sighted.

Minor point but worth noting - in "1,000 Posts since January 2000" or whatever, I think the P should be lowercase.

I'm the biggest stick in the mud you will find, my first reaction to the new look was 'where is' and 'how do I'. Now I've found my way around I have to say the functions are much easier and the look is actually cleaner. Stuff like being able to use bold and italic type in the quick reply box are a real bonus.

I'm sure it will 'bed in' for those not yet used to it, and become 'part of the furniture' again.

ST

ST

You are correct, on first visit it was confusing to navigate, however I very quickly found that the fuctions are actully easier (and, dare I say it) more logical to use.

From a new boy, thanks to all the team for carrying out a thankless task so efficiently.

Some people's star rating has gone immediately after where it says "Veteran" or "Racer" - eg Veteran ***, whereas some people's has gone underneath the rank title. That variance looks a wee bit messy, but I guess it's impossible to please all the people all the time. Also the stars for Craig and Wrex seem to have disappeared, which is a shame, as it added a nice bit of consistency to the site that everyone had a star rank.The stars are related only to the "title" and don't indicate anything else, as an experiment to check layout the first 1500 users or so had theirs changed to show beside the text rather than below. It takes about 4 seconds for the system to change each persons profile to display in this way, and as there are around 15,000 users, do the math.... 20 hours to process everyone! :( So there will be a difference for now

Administrators get to choose their title and it looks like Wrex & Craig have decided not to go with the stars graphic for personal choice.

Right - things are improving now I have changed to the liquid style. The problem is that it keeps reverting back to the old style when I log-out and log-in again. Is there something in the Control Panel that will keep it on liquid style? Or is this likely to be an Internet Explorer "issue" due to settings?It's in Control Panel / Edit Options at the bottom - "Forum Skin" If you're still logged in and using cookies then in general it should stay at the last skin you choose. But if you set it in Control Panel then generally that's what it will stick to for the forum (except for where the style is fixed, like Parc Ferme)

Thanks for the explaination! :)

Just a general point folks, PLEASE start a new thread for different issues. Makes it a bit easier for us to deal with.

I think some people are being really unfair here.

Magneton and EP gave up a good deal of time to update the site and make it faster, more user friendly and therefore even more enjoyable. This has taken some time and has required some down time, but it has been worth it IMO.

The old format had all sorts of problems, which were becoming amplified as the site became more popular.

So what we have now is a fresh look, yes, but it is the basically the same thing, but a hell of a lot better to use.

I think some people should stop coming out with some pretty stupid and insulting comments and should appreciate the fact that the people who run the site are trying to make it better for us all. They emphatically have done that, but there will always be a minority who don't approve. This minority should simply offer suggestions instead of acting like spoilt children. Some have done this of course. As for the others.......

I really don't see how we can ask for a better service! :beer:

too much white? eh? there's less white now then there was to start with!

It is quite different, but hay that's good. Still getting used to some of the bits n pieces but so far, so good. Only thing i'd liked to have seen was a spell checker, 'cos i REALLY need one!

btw, i suggest people turning on the full enhanced version of editing, it rocks! :#1:

I think what a lot of people may be referring to is the amount of empty white space in the postbit table. Grant is trying a few little tweaks right now to improve things.

Ok, the main bone of contention seemed to be the space that the user information was taking up in the left hand column of each post. This is now down to around 5 lines worth of information (if Avatars are turned off) which is about as small as it can go and still be useful.

It's down to half the size it was initially, which is a huge improvement.

Well it means that if Avatars are turned off and the user is using the "Solid" style a post of this length is actually pushing the size of the "postbit" vertically.

Firstly, this thread is for constructive criticism and I don't find any constructive suggestions in this post.

So what's your suggestion to rectify the whitespace problem? Fonts/Font sizes, the site uses predominantly standard font sizes, infact the only place I can think of where we go larger than standard is the display of the username in the "postbit". Other font/size use is at the discretion of the poster and as with anything new there will be a rush to play with them for now and it'll all settle down in good time.

Banners and advertising. Sure, if you'd like to fully fund the hosting bills for the server then contact me and I'd be more than happy to take the banners off.

Comic Book style, again, in what way would you change it?

You win....shout loud enough with a crushing tone and people really sit up and tak notice!! WOW I am obviously just one negative *******....what would I know anyway....only a dum sonofa***** user :)

At the risk of getting another kicking (ducks!) it would be really good if 10/10ths had a "Go to Last Read Post" feature al la Atlas F1.......it is just more time efficient than scrolling down or selecting pages in a multi page thread.

Thanks :)

Just look at the top of this page. It says "View First Unread"

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1189195#post1189195

You can also click on "View New Posts"

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/search.php?do=getnew

Just look at the top of this page. It says "View First Unread"

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1189195#post1189195

You can also click on "View New Posts"

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/search.php?do=getnew

Peter, Happy New Year!

The examples you provided seem fine except I am saying "last post viewed by a particular user" (me). For the life od me, I cannot see the options you say are provided.

I normally enter "View new Posts".

I went in through the discussion forum as a test, no joy.

Signed confused....

If you are looking at in a thread going to the last post you read in that thread, then it is the "View First Unread" function that you want - which will take you to this first post made in that thread since you last logged out.
I think that's what you mean, although I'll be honest, I'm slightly baffled myself! :s

If you are looking at in a thread going to the last post you read in that thread, then it is the "View First Unread" function that you want - which will take you to this first post made in that thread since you last logged out.
I think that's what you mean, although I'll be honest, I'm slightly baffled myself! :s

Thank you for speaking very slowly and in words of one syllable or less....it is the least I would expect from a communications officer! :rofl:

YES!! that is the problem......I cannot find such an option in the view I'm using....I have a shortcut that brings me straight into the discussion forum but I don't think that could be the problem

YES!! that is the problem......I cannot find such an option in the view I'm using....
It should be at the top left immediately before the first thread in a page - highlighted here:
http://home.graffiti.net/10-tenths/forum_photos/FirstUnread.jpg
Hope that explains it :)

Got it! You're using the threaded or the hybrid mode. In which case the "View First Unread" option isn't available. ;)

I have to say I don't like it either. It is to bright, plus getting where I want to go takes an age.

You'll get used to it, Queen.

The forum runs much quicker than it used to - and has much more user friendly options.

Try a different skin if you feel it is too bright - there are loads to choose from.

I don't mind it, there's a certain feeling of Dejá Vu because nearly every forum running VB3 looks like this, but I did prefer the old in terms of looks.
VB3 is probably the most cluttered looking of all forum software, but it runs well, and has lots of cool options.
I've found the forums get their feel back when you turn off avatars in your profile.