Changes to Reputation/Feedback system.

As followers of this forum will know, the reputation/feedback system has been a cause for concern. The idea behind it was to give an indication of the level of participation in the forum by letting users "reward" good posts and "penalise" bad posts, a sort of "reputation by peers" system if you will. Post counts are misleading, 2,000 posts saying "I agree" doesn't mean you're contributing much. It seems however that the ability to leave Negative Feedback caused concern.

Therefore some changes have been implemented:

The reputation/feedback system is STAYING.
Only moderators and administrators can leave Negative Feedback.
Positive feedback will work as before, you can only vote 10 times a day and must vote on 20 other posts before you can vote on the same user again.
"Ego Clubs" won't be tolerated, so ganging up with 20 mates to bung each others reputation up will be spotted and will get Negative Feedback.
Regarding the actual mechanics of the system:

All users have had their base reputation level re-set.
For Users, this is at a number that is considerably higher than before and high enough that no single Negative Feedback from a Moderator or Admin will drop them to 0 or lower.
Moderators have a higher base number than users (enough to start them in the next category above users)
Administrators have a higher base number than moderators (enough to start them in the next category above Moderators)
Users and Moderators "power" (the number of points that can add) is calculated based on: Number of posts, time on the forum and current reputation points. These basically average out between 5 and 10 for the majority of users and hit around 20 for the longest serving Moderators. Remember that Negative Feedback from a Moderator only subtracts "half points". Just for the record, the highest "power" that's been calculated belongs to a User and is currently 28, although this may change if a post re-count takes place and GT/PF posts are excluded from posting totals.
Administrators have a fixed "power" that's slightly higher than the highest User power, currently it's set to 30 for both Positive and Negative Feedback but may be reviewed as necessary. Negative Feedback from an Admin is a last resort but we may be more open with Positive Feedback.
All the reputation comments/scores that have been left in the last few days were also erased.
Answers to next questions:
Q: Why do Moderators get a higher base score?
A: Because they do good work and deserve an extra blob.

Q: Why do Administrators get a higher base score?
A: Because they do a generally thankless task and deserve two extra blobs.

Q: I still don't like it, what can I do?
A: Ignore it.

Here's a suggestion - If moderators and administrators can give negative feedback, shouldn't they also identify themselves in the unusual event of having to do that?

Yes, I'd presume that the mods would follow up any 'negative' rating with a PM to explain constructively their decision (and indeed moderate the post if needs be).

A worthy improvement to the system.

Much better. :)

Full Marks all Round (metaphorically only, as I can't be arsed to press the required voting buttons).

So they seemed to have listened to my suggestion in the other thread about contacting mods if you have a problem with a post. ;) :) (maybe a i'll get a few green blobs for that ;) ;) )
Btw if you do have a problem with someones post can you contact a mod to give him/her a neg marking and ask them to atleast assess the post.

Im happier with the newer system. Much Much better! i had recievd a neg blob for expressing my opinion and felt hard done by as expression of opinions freely without fear of aggravating someone and recieving neg blob is all what a forum is about!

MagnetON... I like it! :) Seems to me like you've managed to keep the system and make concessions to pretty much all the worries to avoid mis-use. :angel: Doesn't mean I'll use it much, but give me a warm cushy feeling anyway (unlike the suspension on my car!!).

One last question... exactly what function does a Secret Squirrel perform at a race meeting. Can't be the one I tried to run over on the Revitt Straight... that wasn't secretive at all :rotate:

Im happier with the newer system. Much Much better! i had recievd a neg blob for expressing my opinion and felt hard done by as expression of opinions freely without fear of aggravating someone and recieving neg blob is all what a forum is about!

Hi ralf fan, that was me who did it, but I realize you were only expressing you're view, and I regret it.

I was also surprised when I found that I received a red blob, as far as I was concerned I hadn't upset anyone. ;)

"Ego Clubs" won't be tollerated, so ganging up with 20 mates to bung each others reputation up will be spotted and will get Negative Feedback.

OK, hands up anyone with that many mates. :shrug:

I was also surprised at how many I have received.

Why you little *strangles luke like Homer Simpson* ;);)
BTW i DIDNT give you a neg blob if youre wondering.


Maget ON... is "extreamly funny" a valid reason to give someone a positive review? :)

Maget ON... is "extreamly funny" a valid reason to give someone a positive review? :)Sure, any reason is valid, as long as it's not part of an "Ego Club" ;)

I noticed earlier i had 1 green tab (yay :) ) and 1 red tab (own up ya b******s, who did it ;) ), but now they have gone, just wondered if they stayed up as a temporary measure, or someone decided that they had made a mistake :rotate:

I noticed earlier i had 1 green tab (yay :) ) and 1 red tab (own up ya b******s, who did it ;) ), but now they have gone, just wondered if they stayed up as a temporary measure, or someone decided that they had made a mistake :rotate:
Did you actually READ the first post of this thread? Specifically Point 7?

7. All the reputation comments/scores that have been left in the last few days were also erased.

Think everyone was reset when the changes were made, Mr V.

Thanks Grant and co. Glad to see common sense prevail in the end.
:beer:

Ah rats, I just lost a load of positive feedback!

Nah, good job magneton. never let it be said that you're not trying your best! :)

I noticed earlier i had 1 green tab (yay :) ) and 1 red tab (own up ya b******s, who did it ;) ), but now they have gone, just wondered if they stayed up as a temporary measure, or someone decided that they had made a mistake :rotate:
FWIW I know how you got the positive. ;)

Great stuff, and a much improved version :beer:

Here it is folks, like or not we are keeping it for a while to assess it properly. As MagnetOn said, if you dont like it, just ignore it.

BTW, if you get negative feedback without comment, let me know and I will look into it. Negative feedback will result in a 'bad' (thread/post that needed pulling etc) and is normally something we would warn you about anyway.

Did you actually READ the first post of this thread? Specifically Point 7?

I did after my last post and tried editing my post, but the site had a spaz out on me and i couldn't edit post, humble apologies :(

How do i look at the comments about my reputation?

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/faq.php?faq=whats_new_reputations#faq_new_what_reps

Could I ask you to read the FAQ's please?

Apologies. Does this mean i'll get bad reputation for that stupid post?

I think we can let you off this once ;)

Huge, huge improvement over what it originally was. This is after all a discussion forum, not a popularity contest. Feedback is not necessarily a bad idea, but the original format would have been - probably already was - abused. It's human nature. The fact that someone could anonymously vote negatively for you is comparable to receiving anonymous hate letters or someone breathing heavily at the other end of your telephone without identifying themselves. So top marks for removing that option and leaving it only with moderators who have to identify themselves if they give someone a negative vote.

I'm also particularly happy that you removed the text which said you could vote negatively for someone if you "disagreed with their post". To me, such a reason to vote kind of goes against the idea of having a discussion forum in the first place. Disagreeing with someone is no reason for giving them a negative rating, neither is it a reason to not give them a positive rating. So I'm particularly happy that you in the FAQ included the line "You don't necessarily have to agree with the actual content" [in order to vote]. The new format should rule out abuse all together, but we'll only see if the system is of any value after it's been in use for a while.

I guess I have missed something but what the heck is the Reputation/Feedback system?

A pm to me is fine if going over the details would be redundant.

Thanks!

John,

You've missed the fun!

Have a look at the "scales" on your panel then the green block under your name. Then have a look at the FAQ's for reputations. ;)

Well, the current system is apparantly being abused as well, one newbie gave me a negative vote because i dared to disagree with his statements... :rolleyes: (the Most Successful Driver 2004 thread (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1176876))

I cant' even give him a negative vote in return for his whining, only a positive vote!

I know it doesn't mean anything but it get's on my nerves that any slackjawed yokel can degrade me for nothing at all!

From the FAQ's


User Reputations are used to indicate the general opinion of someone's posts. Reputations can be good, mediocre or bad. Your reputation is based on two kinds of vote - positive and negative.

Positive votes may be cast by all users. Negative votes may only be cast by forum moderators.


One for Grant to check methinks.

Response sent by PM as public discussion of individual feedback is against forum policy.

Suffice to say that the reputation system is working as it should and negative feedback can only be given by moderators.

I think Wrex said before - if you are getting 'negative rep' and not getting PM feedback from a mod of that forum/admin you should bring it to his attention to investigate. The intention is, I believe, only to use it on 'bad' posts where moderating is needed...

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1173943#post1173943 is Wrex's post.

I left you the feedback, ASCII, along with a note of explanation. Feel free to PM me if you don't understand. As EP has stated it is not a subject to get into in public.

The system looks more democratic now....

I must admit, when the system first came about, I was very worried. You see, I visit the Sims2 bbs and they have a similar system of rating posts beneficial or not, and this gave the user a 'rank'. Well, they have had to restructure their system due to people begging to be rated, offering to rate if they were rated etc. However, I am very pleased with the current system and must congratulate everyone for making it work so well. :beer: It takes everyone's effort for something like this to work, and I think it is working very well, so keep it up everyone!