Rob Potters first Camaro?..ex-Transam ex ASCAR?

Hey Guys.. just stumbled into your forum.. Maybe you can help out?

Some of you may recall that Rob Potter drove a 1967 Camaro in the 1979 ASCAR series.. The car was Silver with pale plue Z28 style stripes up the bonnet and down the boot.. He won the series that year, and then kissed the armco at Brands "big time" in 1980 and wheeled the car into a garage and then left it having bent it badly..

My question is does anyone know anything about the initial history of that car?.. Its alledged to have TransAm History, but Rob found it in a garage "in North London" where it had apparently been stored for "10 years".. a turn key car that he just changed the fluids etc, did a nut and bolt check and then went out to win its first race "straight out of the box".. All Rob remembers is somthing to do with "Curley Coachworks" (my spelling).. There's a suggestion that the car may have been imported either by Curley (who then went to Australia?), or "Green" or Jerry (?) Mahoney..

Ring any bells with anyone?..

Jeff, that sounds like an interesting car. Do you know any more of its history? Does it still exist? Would be interesting to see some pics. 'Camaroz' owns the Frank Gardner '67 Camaro which was raced in the BTCC, this was ex Trans-Am, seems many of the UK based American cars were. Do you know anything about this one Camaroz?

Jeff, does it look anything like the two '67 Camaro's on this page?

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1972%20pictures.html

He had second gen cars did'nt he I remeber seeing an old shell at the back of hiis yard for years. We had a few old bits off him years ago when building our cars if I remeber rightly. Are you thinkiing of buying it Jeff?

hi jeff,
there must be some photos around of it ?, anyone
got some pictures to jog some memories.

rob potters later shell, if it was just a shell on its side, in the yard, that was sold to a drag racer. i am informed

What a waste.

I'm with you there Al.

How many Camaro's did he have? Some pics would be good. Where are they now?

Hi Jeff and welcome,

The Sanger/Crabtree car in Frank d-j's website looks interesting. Who's was / where is that car now? There must have been as many Camaro's running in Europe as there were in the States.

Does Bill Withey have any info? Looking forward to seeing some photos of your car.

Thanks again for all your help with my car. I have been poping the "Curley" question at every opportunity. Catching up with Norris Miles next week and I will ask him.

Cheers.

Terry Sanger raced the ex Muir Malcolm Gartlan / Wiggins Teape car in 1972-73

Jeff, does it look anything like the two '67 Camaro's on this page?

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/1972%20pictures.html

Hi Steve!!.. thanks for the photos!.. I am assuming that the black and white camaro at Spa (Sanger & Crabtree) is the ex-Wiggens Teape car, which of course is an ex-Pensk camaro.. That car was found some years back and has been returned to the US and restored

The other camaro is of course the Martin Thomas "Flame out Camaro" which is not my car

I had not seen a photo of the Sanger / Crabtree car at Spa, so that was really useful.. Do you have any more??

Jeff, that sounds like an interesting car. Do you know any more of its history? Does it still exist? Would be interesting to see some pics. 'Camaroz' owns the Frank Gardner '67 Camaro which was raced in the BTCC, this was ex Trans-Am, seems many of the UK based American cars were. Do you know anything about this one Camaroz?

Hi Steve.. Yes it still exists (at least I hope so cos I own it!).. When I get home in a day or so I'll try and figure out how to post some pics.. I have some ideas on its history in the US but want to work backwards with the UK link to proove the theory but its certainly TransAm spec and build quality.. We believe it was imported into the UK in 1969 and it sat in a garage for 10 yeas before it was found again.. We have evidence to support that it did not race in the US after 1971 which ties in nicely.. I have had indirect contact with the guy who owns the ex Gardner camaro.. seems to know his stuff!!

I have some pics so will try and post a few..!!

I believe that the later car ended up as a drag car, but have no idea where it is now, or what the story was behind that car.. Anybody know??

Hi Jeff, the website is owned and run by Frank de Jong who visits this forum quite often. The photos are contributed, I assume, by visitors to the website. Its a great website. I think Frank supplied a pic for Camaroz of his car?? Contact him and see if he can help you out.

There don't seem to be enough European websites containing this sort of historical and photographic saloon car material. Its a shame really. The Americans and Australians seem to be very good at it, there are several Australian websites containing/selling old photos, and they're great places to visit.

Sorry, this is the website name:

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/

Look forward to seeing some pics. Camaroz or Bruce 302 should be able to put you in contact with someone from the Historic Trans-Am register who could help with its history.

Terry Sanger raced the ex Muir Malcolm Gartlan / Wiggins Teape car in 1972-73

Ties in with what I thought.. But must admit I never knew he had painted it white and black though Jeremy?.. I thought that Sanger raced the car in an orange or red colour scheme ..wasn't it sponsored by "Research Consultants" (I'm doing this from memory now, so bear with me.. Odd that he should paint it black and white for Spa.. unless its a different car??

Jeff, do you still own that lovely maroon '67? What happened to the Roly Nix and Dennis Leach '67s? Those were a pair of fire breathers.

Sorry, this is the website name:

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/

Look forward to seeing some pics. Camaroz or Bruce 302 should be able to put you in contact with someone from the Historic Trans-Am register who could help with its history.

Great website!..There are pics on there that I have not seen before..Thanks Steve!.. I have contacts with the HTA register, but thanks for the tip!

....This is getting embarrising!.. Nope, I sold the maroon 67 to fund the purchase of the ex-Rob Potter camaro.. Its still around though.. repainted.. even walked past it and Brands last year!.. Have not spoken with Roly for years nor Dennis Leach.. Couple of great characters.. Last time I saw Dennis was at Donnington (I think) He turned up in a 67 camaro that he had just built that looked like it had been thrown together..I recall that the front sway bar was a piece of scaffold tub.. Real trick car.. Dennis went out and wiped the floor with the ££££ ICS cars.. I don't think he was allowed to play anymore... Typical dennis!.. Not sure where Roly is!?

Hi Jeff and welcome,

The Sanger/Crabtree car in Frank d-j's website looks interesting. Who's was / where is that car now? There must have been as many Camaro's running in Europe as there were in the States.

Does Bill Withey have any info? Looking forward to seeing some photos of your car.

Thanks again for all your help with my car. I have been poping the "Curley" question at every opportunity. Catching up with Norris Miles next week and I will ask him.

Cheers.

Ha-Ha!!.. We "speak" at last!!.. Glad to have helped with your stuff.. Bill Withy is a real good friend of mine.. We used to race against each other and Bill was the previous owner of the Rob Potter car.. I traded him my turn key 67 camaro which he then went on to race FAR better than I did.. You know Norris!?.. Have not spoken to him for years.. Pass on my regards!?... Appreciate you bouncing the "Curley" name around.. One day it may come up in conversation..fingers crossed!!!!!!!

hi, the roly nix camaro is now owned by a racing family, bosie thurthall and his dad. (excuse the spelling). it will be in the Heritage races in the uk next year.and will be ultrs quick in their hands.

the dennis leech camaro is owned now by my mate
chaz, he is already racing it in the uk, and intends to
enter some chamionships with it , if he can get in.
the grids will be full of long unseen camaros next
year, even the camaro sold by martin thomas
recently is out next year. its enough to give me a stiff one.

Hi Guys.
how do you post pictures on this site?.the posting rules tab says, you may not post attachments.

Ties in with what I thought.. But must admit I never knew he had painted it white and black though Jeremy?.. I thought that Sanger raced the car in an orange or red colour scheme ..wasn't it sponsored by "Research Consultants" (I'm doing this from memory now, so bear with me.. Odd that he should paint it black and white for Spa.. unless its a different car??

Jeff,

Always entered by Research Consultants. It was red at Silverstone in April 1972 come to think of it. Maybe sponsor requirement at Spa? Autosport's report says it was rebuilt after a shunt at the GP support race at Brands the week before, so...

I'd forgotten the shunt... How soon after was Spa Jeremy?.. I wonder if it was a different camaro?

What car were you building Al?.. Did we race ?

Tigerbill do you have a website or web space? If so upload your picture to that resizing it to a max of 600pixels or so in the widest direction, then put a link to where the picky is and it will get displayed. I think the govner here will do it for you if you ask nicely, if not email it to me and I will do it for you no problem, especially if it is camaro stuff as I own 3 myself. Look in my profile for email address.

I'd forgotten the shunt... How soon after was Spa Jeremy?.. I wonder if it was a different camaro?

The week after. Brands race was Saturday, and Spa practice started Thurs evening, but don't know when scrutineering would have been..

Well, I must admit that Spa photo doesn't look like the usual one to me... Autosport's report said the car was rebuilt, and a 5 litre used instead of the 5.7, so I always assumed they used the usual car, but that's the first photo I've seen of it.

If you mean me Jeff we have met, I was at the meeting you called at Brooklands a few years ago with a old mate, the dreaded Ellis Bergman who showed a few of the big cars the way home at Brands at one of your meetings running on Falken road tyres, came third I think against some mpressive machinerey. I have a 1970 I am just finishing refettling, one of the original Penske racing IROC cars originally imported by Brian Rice and my Mk 3 IROC saloon racer as seen in my pcky. I started the Modified Production Saloon car championship in 89 with another guy you probably know Mr Brian Sheridan after meeting after we were both sidelined at Oulton Park when running in the Road Saloons, now I am sure you must know him .

The week after. Brands race was Saturday, and Spa practice started Thurs evening, but don't know when scrutineering would have been..

Well, I must admit that Spa photo doesn't look like the usual one to me... Autosport's report said the car was rebuilt, and a 5 litre used instead of the 5.7, so I always assumed they used the usual car, but that's the first photo I've seen of it.
Same here Jeremy.. Its obviously a 67.. but I have a growing feeling that we may be talking about two different cars.. unless the damage was repaired so quickly that they painted the car "black" to mask the repairs.. To proove I'm chatting without the benefit of my camaro notes I'm going to make what is probably a really dumb statment here.. But wasn't the Wiggens Teap car a '68 Camaro?.. Now embariss me and I'll go and hide..

I remember a Top Gear episode a few years back where Tiff Needell drove Hal Danbys big block Corvette at a HARA race at Donington. He interviewed Dennis Leech who said he'd paid sixty quid for his '67 Camaro as a pile of junk, then put sixty thousand pounds worth of parts in it! It was fast, and won that day. It sat really low, and Dennis was sitting nearly in the back seat, which was popular then in the BTCC cars, but nobody was doing that in historic racing. Great to know the car still exists.

Which class do the American V8s compete in now in the UK?

The Roly Nix car was sturring too. I read somewhere it ran a Donovan block? Don't know how correct that was.

Pete Hall also raced a nice blue '67, and Dennis Clark had a red '67.

Oh Jeez.. Ellis Bergman.. Oh my goodness... mmm..

Well I'm afraid that I have to make a confession.. I owned the other IROC that Sheriden imported.. kept it for ages and desperatly wanted to do somthing with it.. I recall that it was the sister car to your car (wasn't yours red at one point?).. please don't ask me what I did with it, but its probably now a Honda..

I don't think I ever spoke with Brian Sheriden (?) but was trying to track him down because of the Ascar connection..did speak with a few of the other guys though but names escape me for the moment..

Don't worry, it was a '68 Penske car that Peter Reinhardt brought to Europe in 1969, (wasn't it... I don't wan't to be embarrassed...)

I remember a Top Gear episode a few years back where Tiff Needell drove Hal Danbys big block Corvette at a HARA race at Donington. He interviewed Dennis Leech who said he'd paid sixty quid for his '67 Camaro as a pile of junk, then put sixty thousand pounds worth of parts in it! It was fast, and won that day. It sat really low, and Dennis was sitting nearly in the back seat, which was popular then in the BTCC cars, but nobody was doing that in historic racing. Great to know the car still exists.

Which class do the American V8s compete in now in the UK?

The Roly Nix car was sturring too. I read somewhere it ran a Donovan block? Don't know how correct that was.

Pete Hall also raced a nice blue '67, and Dennis Clark had a red '67.

Hal Danby was (and is!) a lovely guy... worst thing he did was to drop a big block in his vette cos he was convinced that was the only way to beat Aiden Mills-Thomas's Cobra.. I don't think he did, but I had the small block "Linenfelter" motor for my Maroon Camaro..

Pete hall was quick..very quick.. car always immaculate, and Dennis the same.. Knew Dennis quite well..hope he's still around? .. Had a great mechanic but names gone.. must be getting old..

Don't worry, it was a '68 Penske car that Peter Reinhardt brought to Europe in 1969, (wasn't it... I don't wan't to be embarrassed...)

Phew !!.. Yes it was... So who's car is Sanger racing at Spa??

FYI.. The camaro that Reinhardt imported HAD been finished in the US (Despite what the mags say)..it was actually driven by Sam Posey in at least one T/A race, but I don't recall where..

FYI I have an original Penske cowl induction hood that came off that car.. still has the Wiggens Teap Paperchase decals with lots of "red" and "Penske Blue paint".. You can still make out the "CAB" number plate decal...looks nice on my garage wall!!!

Wow, what a lot of information I have found out after reading this thread!
I too have been puzzled about Terry Sangers Camaro at Spa in 1972, but the 5 litre engine is surely not too much of a mystery, it was probably used for longevity rather than risk the bigger, more "fragile" unit.
Hopefully I will get back up into the attic by the weekend to look out race reports etc and add more info to this fascinating thread.
BTW, what happened to the 1970 Camaros', of Pierpoint (sold to Martin Thomas?) and Prophet (owned by Pierre du Plessis)?
Glyn

Glyn,

Wasn't doubting the engine change, just the fact that it doesn't look like the same car!!

Was the Reinhardt car the Penske lightweight car of 1967? Posey raced this car, with '68 sheetwork updates, for most of '68. He kept one of the Penske cars as part of his driving deal. Purchased it off Penske at seasons end, and GM bought it back in 1970 to stick in a museum.

The lightweight car still had the '67 quarter windows for the first couple of races in '68.

Jeff my car is car #11, it s now a horrible red orange colour but stripping through layers of paint it was originally beige, I actually have a bit of video footage of the car on a crash video where Mario Andretti looses it in the black car annd takes out half the field. The other car #10 I believe is owned by a member here thatorangething (named after the old car I think) so presumably they both ended up orangey red. When you had the car did it have the steel rear quarters on it?

I honestly don't remember..The car was in a terrible shape.. I want to say that the rear fenders were off the car.. I did identify who the IROC driver was, and when I get home I'll check what I have and let you know!

I didn't know that it ended up in a museum (?) but the Reinhardt camaro is definitly not the "Lightweight".. You're right that it ran with quater lights for the first part of '68.. There is the famous incident of race numbers being swopped at one of the races with the "heavier" team car being put through "tech" twice because the Lightweight would have failed the weight test.. Hee Hee!!

Someone may correct me on this, but my understanding is Penske built two '67s, and one '68? The first '67 is that which Donohue campaigned for much of that season before he built the lightweight car. That car was updated to '68 sheetmetal at seasons end, and a new car also built for the 68 season.

Sam Posey did a deal with Penske whereby he would pay Penske four grand per race to drive the second Camaro, and then buy one of the two team cars at the end of the season. This he did, but he didn't race it in 1969. Then Penske came back to him and asked to buy it back as GM wanted a Camaro race car to put in their museum.

So which car did Posey end up with? And were there three '67/68 Penske Camaros built, or was there a fourth?

Hi All,

Jeff thanks for the PM. Looking forward to catching up with Norris.

Glyn, when my car (1967 Camaro) ran in Europe (Germany) in 1972 it to was fitted with a 5 litre, something to do with the German (and maybe Belgium) rules that didn't recognise the 5.7 in the first gen cars.

Steve, for what I believe to be the full story on the 'lightweight' car, try the following;

http://www.ashcom.homestead.com/LightweightCamaro.html

Cheers.

Apparently Jeff the last IROC driver of my car was Buddy Baker the all time NASCAR record holder in a Superbird. All the cars were driven by different drivers on the day who pulled out of a hat what car they were to drive, the cars were not assigned specifcally to any one driver which was the whole basis of the Championship to ascertain who was the worlds best driver so all the cars had to be identically prepared.

So far have managed to get one of the original front spoilers made and have bought all the original fitted drysump gear including a period Mooneyes tank from ebay. All the running gear is intact, the gearbox cooler and pump are missing but I can match them with the axle cooler and I have to do a an engine but apart from the rear quarters which were non original fibre glass when I got the car (unfortunately) it is basically all there and as soon as I finish my 2nd gen car I will be back on it.

Actually can I add to that. This particular car has probably been driven by more different famous drivers than any other car you could ever mention thus was the nature of the championship which is why I feel rightly or wrongly it deserves renovating

I remember a Top Gear episode a few years back where Tiff Needell drove Hal Danbys big block Corvette at a HARA race at Donington. He interviewed Dennis Leech who said he'd paid sixty quid for his '67 Camaro as a pile of junk, then put sixty thousand pounds worth of parts in it! It was fast, and won that day. It sat really low, and Dennis was sitting nearly in the back seat, which was popular then in the BTCC cars, but nobody was doing that in historic racing. Great to know the car still exists.

Which class do the American V8s compete in now in the UK?

The Roly Nix car was sturring too. I read somewhere it ran a Donovan block? Don't know how correct that was.

Pete Hall also raced a nice blue '67, and Dennis Clark had a red '67..

tiff drove the black shelby hertz mustang at donnington that day.i was in the red 67 camaro.

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tiff drove the black shelby hertz mustang at donnington that day.i was in the red 67 camaro.
dennis clarkes camaro is for sale , has been for some time now.
the ex pete halls camaro is being used by andy rouse in the heritage series.i think its his car.

some names that were racing camaros in the ETCC.
1970.
duvignead
hoffman 6494 cc

chris tuerlinckx 6994 cc ecuri rizla car

1971.
hoffman
ivo grauls 7400cc

piro outmans
edoaurd duvinead 7000cc


marie- claude beaumont
gabriele koning 5700cc


roger lomoral
sylvain garant 7000cc

jean sage
jp hanriond

urs eberthardt
cox kocher
kolb

franz albert

1973
crabtree
jonathon buncombe 5700cc
reserch consultants

james hunt
richard lloyd
ag rivers racing ltd, z28

sanger
gardener
sca 7000cc.

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tiff drove the black shelby hertz mustang at donnington that day.i was in the red 67 camaro.

That's right, my mistake. It was Tony Dron in the Vette, for Thoroughbred and Classic Car mag.

I have a pic of Peter Reinhart in his Camaro in Germany and it is a '67 judging by the grill and window quarter vents. It was easy to update for Brian Muir by changing those two things.
The lightweight car went to Terry Godsell in Canada after it's initial racing days, on the condition that it wasn't used (Penske is no fool) and accordingly it wasn't, despite it being said by some that the car was the basis for the Craig Fisher '68 Firebird. Again, Penske retrieved the car at a later date, like he did with the Posey car.
However, having said that, it has been suggested to me that the lightweight's body and rollcage did go seperate ways, at least for a while. I can't expand on that unfortunately as my contact, as good as he is, has gone cold.
So it has to be 3 '67 Camaro's, The Reinhart/Muir car, the lightweight, and the one wrecked in the desert while being towed by Craig Fisher and Bob Johnson, though that was rebuilt, wasn't it.

i have read you post, and sounds like a puzzle for jeff.

I have a pic of Peter Reinhart in his Camaro in Germany and it is a '67 judging by the grill and window quarter vents. It was easy to update for Brian Muir by changing those two things.
The lightweight car went to Terry Godsell in Canada after it's initial racing days, on the condition that it wasn't used (Penske is no fool) and accordingly it wasn't, despite it being said by some that the car was the basis for the Craig Fisher '68 Firebird. Again, Penske retrieved the car at a later date, like he did with the Posey car.
However, having said that, it has been suggested to me that the lightweight's body and rollcage did go seperate ways, at least for a while. I can't expand on that unfortunately as my contact, as good as he is, has gone cold.
So it has to be 3 '67 Camaro's, The Reinhart/Muir car, the lightweight, and the one wrecked in the desert while being towed by Craig Fisher and Bob Johnson, though that was rebuilt, wasn't it.

Looks like it survived the crash, as Donohue decided the rollcage in it must be super strong. That's kind of what got him thinking of doing the lightweight isn't it? The first '67 was heavy and robust, so he chose to go the other way and do everything as light as it could possibly be. Did the fist car survive to this day?

Pat Ryan has an ex Penske '67 Camaro that seems to be the lightweight. But as far as I know, that is the only '67, There are two '68 Penske Camaro's, one with Tom McIntyre, the other with Tom Armstrong. Remember that with Roger Penske, all was not always what it seemed.
Jeff, Is there a VIN or body number that cam be traced, even a partial hidden VIN can help, and what are the chances of going through the paint layers to get an idea of what the car may have looked like colour wise. And did it realy sit in that shop for 10 years, or is that anecdotal ?
I'm mentally going through all the old Camaro snippets i've seen/read/heard and it really is a minefield of facts.
I think the colour thing is the best move now.

Bruce

Pat Ryan has an ex Penske '67 Camaro that seems to be the lightweight. But as far as I know, that is the only '67, There are two '68 Penske Camaro's, one with Tom McIntyre, the other with Tom Armstrong. Remember that with Roger Penske, all was not always what it seemed.
Jeff, Is there a VIN or body number that cam be traced, even a partial hidden VIN can help, and what are the chances of going through the paint layers to get an idea of what the car may have looked like colour wise. And did it realy sit in that shop for 10 years, or is that anecdotal ?
I'm mentally going through all the old Camaro snippets i've seen/read/heard and it really is a minefield of facts.
I think the colour thing is the best move now.

Bruce
what do know of the lightweight, what mods made it a light weight,
i know that the 67 jeff has was fitted with acid dipped
panels. doors / boot / wings / bonnet / front panels. etc
i have seen his car it is truly a superbly built car.
the roll cage is a sight to behold , gussets etc.
all period and well done.
it ran a 302 prior to 1981, later exchanged for a 350 stroker.
and it was in a lock up garage for 10 years.
since 1969.
ps, it has a M22 trans/ 12 bolt lsd rear

I must confess that I have seen some pics of Jeff's car, but not close enough to see the detail you describe. The things that were lightened on Jeff's, and the manner (acid) in which they were done sound almost identical. And I would expect that it could only be one of the top teams, or someone well connected.
The Penske car also had a sectioned radiator support that effectively lowered the front sheetmetal for more forward rake.
I have seen the difference too between chrome-moly roll cages and the steam pipe used by some of the lesser teams.
I'd still love to get some numbers.

Bruce.

Is'nt that the one that had the vinyl roof that raised suspision, was'nt the roof outlawed or something, I have info in some old Camaro books that will look up next time I am having a root. I recollect in the article on the car they 'jokingly' reffered as 'over enthusiastic rubbing down of the sheet metalwork when preparing for paint'.

Edit: I should add they were reffering to the how they got the weight down.

Hi All,

Jon Mello from HTA and Camaro Research Group has verified that there were 2 x 67's, 2 x 68's and 2 x 69 Penske Camaros. The original '67 has not as yet been found. All the other cars have been accounted for including one of the 69's that was destroyed in an Earthquake in Mexico.

When I was doing the 'search' on my car I was also asking questions re cars in Germany through Peter Reinhart as Frank Gardner often refered to racing in Germany (now verified as the SCA/Jagermeister campaign in 1972). There has been some speculation that Peter Reinhart also got the missing '67 (as well as the '68 Donohue - Daytona, Posey lease deal car that ended up with Yogi Muir).

The reason there were many Camaro's running in Europe around this time was explained to me by Frank Gardner. Vince Piggins was aware that of the thousands of US Nato forces in Europe could by US cars tax free and he wanted (subsidised) Camaro's to have track success (or at least visability) to encourage sales in Europe.

Bruce, I will forward JM's email that spells it all out.

Cheers.

The vinyl roof cover was on the '69 car, but it was used to cover a way too flimsy roof. And they (Penske) weren't the only team to over-cook the bodies. Sam Posey's Dodge had to have a new roof added after John Timanus leaned against it. The replacement was hacked from a showroom car at a local dealership.
By the way Al, "root" has a slightly different meaning down here.

Bruce.

Al,

I was woundering how you were going to find that info while having a....... 'ahem'.

I would only get to the index!!!

You have never heard the expression 'To have a root around' i.e. a good look, a rummage about, god knows what you guys have in mind.

other items on jeffs car,
the cooler was a harrison and the catch tank.just like ones ihave seen in books.
the shock towers were altered , you would not notice this at first glance.
the top a arms were shortened, almost invisible .
there was something good about the front brakes, forget now, ( jeff will fill us in i hope ). the rears were L88 i have been told.
also that the car had wide wheels on it ,the question by the owner and my source was this, how could it with the standard arches. the answer was the wings had metal let in to increase the width, again almost invisible to most.and very clever.
the rear panel had the fuel filler properly filled in , not just a pop rivet job.
the fuel tank was a steel surround and a looked like rubber tank inside.dont remember the make . ( come on jeff fill in the gaps ). does this all mean anything to anyone out there.
the car was silver and blue Z28 stripes.
it is a late 1966 shell .supplied in white. i unerstand this was the racer usual.

other items on jeffs car,
the cooler was a harrison and the catch tank.just like ones ihave seen in books.
the shock towers were altered , you would not notice this at first glance.
the top a arms were shortened, almost invisible .
there was something good about the front brakes, forget now, ( jeff will fill us in i hope ). the rears were L88 i have been told.
also that the car had wide wheels on it ,the question by the owner and my source was this, how could it with the standard arches. the answer was the wings had metal let in to increase the width, again almost invisible to most.and very clever.
the rear panel had the fuel filler properly filled in , not just a pop rivet job.
the fuel tank was a steel surround and a looked like rubber tank inside.dont remember the make . ( come on jeff fill in the gaps ). does this all mean anything to anyone out there.
the car was silver and blue Z28 stripes.
it is a late 1966 shell .supplied in white. i unerstand this was the racer usual..

just remembered something.
the boot had a pull release on set in on the drivers b post. a properly thought out item. has to be a
very important fingerprint of this car.

because i have seen this car, it is very special, you just know it looking around.
This has to be an important car, its no clone , its
just missing the link thats tells about its early racing
history. was it a spare car ? by a team . who knows,
it would be great if we all could help find that link.
guys check your attic info , etc

Yes Al, 'to have a root around' is a known phrase down this way too. But your wife might not appreciate it, if she finds out!

Invisably shortening the top A arms, seems a lot of effort can think of easier ways to find a bit more camber. Funny all this talk of lightweight cars and things were any of them legal?

You're right about shortening the top A arms Al. That would be difficult, but I think the aim would be for camber 'gain' in cornering. Another more popular mod was the "Guldstrand" one where the mounting points for the top arm were moved downwards. I think this particular mod was outlawed, but not very stringently enforced. There were all manner of instances of "rule interpretation" and pushing the limits.
But Jeff's car has all the hall marks of a very well thought out and built car. I'm sure that it will be easier to trace because of that than a 'run of the mill' privateer car.

Bruce

I suppose it is like the one make challenge cars when they are meant to be 'equal' just that some are more 'equal' than others. The only true genuine 'equal' series I think there has ever been is what my car was prepared for The International Race Of Champions' where all the cars were owned, prepared, and set up by Penske and the drvers drew lots o the day for what car they would run, they were also all set up and pre-race tested by one man (Dave Marquis I think), that way there was a true level playing field.

I will try to post a picture from Daytona of the 2001 25th anniversary of the championship with their restored 2nd gen car alongside their latest (at the time) Fiirebird offering.

On the arm shortening unless it was a bg move which would be easy to spot ssurely it woul be easier to move the top joint which is basically a bolt on part when replaced. Would this not simply achieve the same thing?

I remember the IROC series, one of my favourites, since they first started with the Porsche's. The Camaro's like yours were great looking cars. It amazed me that the 3rd Gen cars would still pull 180mph with a 390 Holley.
Lowering the inner A arm mount gave a different roll centre and provided the camber gain needed on the inside wheel.
I have a Titus built '69 Firebird that used a taller front spindle with raised stub axle to achieve the same thing, and lower the car at the same time. Supposedly it worked.
I'll look forward to seeing you car.

Bruce.

Ooops, Outside wheel.

My IROC race car (here it gets confusing) the genuine IROC race car, is a 76 2nd gen, the car shown on my avatar is my 3rd gen IROC Camaro but that is a modifiied IROC road car (are you still with me here?) in out and out performace terms that is probably a bit quicker than a genuine IROC as it is fitted with a full roller 580bhp (approx) engine and weighs 1300kgs, good fun on Falken road tyres. Finally I am finishing preparing another 2nd gen car which I have rebuilt to 1970 spec for historic racing. I was just finishing off the engine installation at the weekend and am going to have a good crack at it over the holiday break. Just a minor bit of bodywork to do after that as I sprayed it about 6 years ago and a couple of areas need refettling, after that she is more or less ready to thunder.

Hi Jeff, at last I have had a look in the attic (and had a quick google!) and have found the following information.
Autosport do indeed say that the Sanger Camaro had problems in practice and didn't last too long in the race. The photo on Franks site must surely be of the Sanger car (I cannot confirm the start number unfortunately) but a look at www.thegaffer.com came up with a photo of what appears to be the same car with its regular driver on a track somewhere in Europe.
So, did Terry do a deal with Duvignead (whose car is portrayed) before or during the meeting instead of using his own injured car or is the photo wrongly accredited for year etc on one or other site?
To find the photo of the car go to thegaffer.com, then Motorsport, then List A-Z, then Chevrolet, then approximately the sixth entry (Camaro 1972 5.0). There are errors on the site in terms of naming photos, so it could be a case of mistaken identity.
Glyn

another reason the a arms might be cut , could be
because if you put spacers in to get 2 degrees neg and over
the a arms become very close at static ride height,. and bind when the car at full roll. on the headers.
if you move A Arm inboard it hits the headers, hope thats clear

I have 17/8" Hooker competition headers on my 2nd gen and they do actually touch the top arm inner fasteners on one side, the 1st gen may be even tighter, I don't know.

Sorry Guys.. Now back.. My father has had some bad problems since last week and I had to drop everything.. I'll go back over the postings and fill in some gaps.. Really appreciate you all keeping this going whilst I have been awol..
Jeff

Pat Ryan has an ex Penske '67 Camaro that seems to be the lightweight. But as far as I know, that is the only '67, There are two '68 Penske Camaro's, one with Tom McIntyre, the other with Tom Armstrong. Remember that with Roger Penske, all was not always what it seemed.
Jeff, Is there a VIN or body number that cam be traced, even a partial hidden VIN can help, and what are the chances of going through the paint layers to get an idea of what the car may have looked like colour wise. And did it realy sit in that shop for 10 years, or is that anecdotal ?
I'm mentally going through all the old Camaro snippets i've seen/read/heard and it really is a minefield of facts.
I think the colour thing is the best move now.

Bruce
Hi Bruce!.. I agree with your comments concerning the Penske cars.. In addition I think we can place a little too much emphasis on the written word.. memories fade and important details (like cages being cut out of one car and then being fitted into another) are easily forgotten.. I have the Vin Number on my car and this has been traced back to a dealership in California.. As we know there were only a few teams building T/A or A-sedan camaros on the west coast, but it has still been impossible to identify the car (There were a surprising number of Camaros that competed in National and Regional races apart from the transAm. I have seen most of the 67 camaros that ran that year, but the best clue is the roll cage...most other things will change but the cage and dash seem to remain fairly contant and should be regarded as the "fingerprint" of the car.. Screen clips etc are another clue
The "10 year" storage of my car is "word of mouth" I have heard that it could be as early as 1969 or as late as the "early 70's" when it was first imported.. The guy who first stripped the car after Rob Potter crashed it did not keep a note of the paint layers .. aaarrrgggghhh!!... The Cowl tag however decodes to a White camaro, but not to be confused with "body in white" ie pulled off the GM production line as a bare shell

what do know of the lightweight, what mods made it a light weight,
i know that the 67 jeff has was fitted with acid dipped
panels. doors / boot / wings / bonnet / front panels. etc
i have seen his car it is truly a superbly built car.
the roll cage is a sight to behold , gussets etc.
all period and well done.
it ran a 302 prior to 1981, later exchanged for a 350 stroker.
and it was in a lock up garage for 10 years.
since 1969.
ps, it has a M22 trans/ 12 bolt lsd rear

Correct description Tigerbill65!!.. I'm told the 302 motor was a Traco or Bartz unit but it ran with a single carb when it first reappeared.. The cros ram was added here in the UK (I am told!!)

.

just remembered something.
the boot had a pull release on set in on the drivers b post. a properly thought out item. has to be a
very important fingerprint of this car.

because i have seen this car, it is very special, you just know it looking around.
This has to be an important car, its no clone , its
just missing the link thats tells about its early racing
history. was it a spare car ? by a team . who knows,
it would be great if we all could help find that link.
guys check your attic info , etc

The fuel filler assemby is Holman Moody with Monza cap... The trunk lid was relaeased by a "D-Handle pull ring" that was fitted inside the drivers door opening so that the trunk could be released quickly at a fuel stop...Many of the other T/A cars had the fillers extended thro the trunk lid (as you will all know)

You're right about shortening the top A arms Al. That would be difficult, but I think the aim would be for camber 'gain' in cornering. Another more popular mod was the "Guldstrand" one where the mounting points for the top arm were moved downwards. I think this particular mod was outlawed, but not very stringently enforced. There were all manner of instances of "rule interpretation" and pushing the limits.
But Jeff's car has all the hall marks of a very well thought out and built car. I'm sure that it will be easier to trace because of that than a 'run of the mill' privateer car.

Bruce

Bruce is correct...the shortening of the upper A-arms was a regular trick as was relocating the upper A-am mounting points.. Ala Guldstrand details

Hi Jeff, at last I have had a look in the attic (and had a quick google!) and have found the following information.
Autosport do indeed say that the Sanger Camaro had problems in practice and didn't last too long in the race. The photo on Franks site must surely be of the Sanger car (I cannot confirm the start number unfortunately) but a look at www.thegaffer.com came up with a photo of what appears to be the same car with its regular driver on a track somewhere in Europe.
So, did Terry do a deal with Duvignead (whose car is portrayed) before or during the meeting instead of using his own injured car or is the photo wrongly accredited for year etc on one or other site?
To find the photo of the car go to thegaffer.com, then Motorsport, then List A-Z, then Chevrolet, then approximately the sixth entry (Camaro 1972 5.0). There are errors on the site in terms of naming photos, so it could be a case of mistaken identity.
Glyn
Glyn I have no idea.. the trouble is I have been set off on so may false trails bcause of mis-information or photos being incorrectly acredited to the wrong driver or even the wrong year.. You really need to get the info direct from the source and so far th most reliable are the guys who worked on th cars rather than those who drove them.. I guess our memories fade as we get older.. Its also too easy to prompt the answer that you want, especially if the person you are talikng to is keen to help...

..... The photo on Franks site must surely be of the Sanger car (I cannot confirm the start number unfortunately) but a look at www.thegaffer.com came up with a photo of what appears to be the same car with its regular driver on a track somewhere in Europe.
So, did Terry do a deal with Duvignead (whose car is portrayed) before or during the meeting instead of using his own injured car or is the photo wrongly accredited for year etc on one or other site?
To find the photo of the car go to thegaffer.com, then Motorsport, then List A-Z, then Chevrolet, then approximately the sixth entry (Camaro 1972 5.0). There are errors on the site in terms of naming photos, so it could be a case of mistaken identity.
Glyn

The car on thegaffer.com is Eberhardt's, which he shared with Grauls occasionally (That photo is also at Spa). This is the car which was reserve at Spa 1972, so ran in practice (see Frank's results), and is, as Glyn says, the same car as on Frank's site; Eberhardt's name is on the front wing in the same script. So did he loan it, or is that a practice phot of Eberhardt... race number check betwen nos. 21 & 31 is required...

Al, clear as mud on the IROC situation. I'd love to have either of those that you have.
In fact if I could find a nice 350 IROC for a daily driver I would jump at it.

Jeff, Never a truer word spoken when it comes to (not) believing everything that is written, regardless of who and when it was written. I have come across the same problem so many times when researching my car and it's "sisters".

My Firebird has a Holman/Moody top plate on the "Don W Allen" fuel cell (cure date 2/69) but I haven't been able to find any significance to that, despite trying to contact H/M.

I think we have made some progress here, and Jeff has some excellent background on the car, and we will find more if we keep digging. I feel the roll cage configuration holds the most potential as far as builder is concerned.

Re the front suspension on my car, I took a small block chev with headers out of a '68 Camaro where it was a perfect (factory) fit, but in my car the headers hit the top A arm at the #2 pipe. And no, I didn't "adjust" it with a hammer. Pro pipe altered.

Bruce.

Jeff.
Sorry not to have been able to help clear the muddy waters, but one thing is true, you can never rely on the drivers to help out, they simply cannot remember enough about the cars they raced.

Jeremy.
Thanks for correcting me on the driver of the Spa Camaro, I simply could not tell which of the two to choose from and got it wrong.

Anyone out there got a September issue of L'Automobile as that may well have the clue to which numbers Sanger and Eberhardt were given at Spa. I only have 1964 to 1971 and I suspect that the magazine went bust before the September issue. If anyone knows better I would love to hear from you as I would like to add this to my collection.

Frank, can you remember where you got the info for 1972 from, as it may well go a long way to resolving this mystery.

Glyn

Jeff,
when dick Guldstrand and john coster saw your car pictures
they both thought they had seen this car before,but did they give you the correct lead on the roll cage man , or perhaps
if they had remembered incorrectly, this avenue should be retraced. cant have been to many guys with that sort of skill
in such a small circle of cars,
ps rob potter says he sold the 302 from your car in early 8os , for the large sum of 2ooo pounds. a huge amount then.sold to a f5000 guy. must have been special i think.
also that he had a spare trans in a crate.

Jeff,
another point.
my mate who knew the car when rob first bought it says,
there where no stickers or decals on it , just silver and blue stripes. i wonder if it had been painted before it left the us, or if it had beed painted here, after 1969. what are your thoughts.
did trans am cars have decals to speak of,
last thing was the car seam welded.

another last thing. you say the boot pull was in the car, this i would imagine would only be needed for quick filling , ie long distance races,

Don't forget that the early Trans Am races were very long affairs, several hours in fact, and it was at these races that Roger Penske first bought out his 30' high refueling rig and huge hoses.
Later they even cooled the fuel with dry ice which I believe made it possible to fit a few more gallons into the tank.
But I bet there weren't many cars with remote openers in the B pillar.
Many had the Monza type filler opening through a hole in the trunk lid.

Bruce.

Actually can I add to that. This particular car has probably been driven by more different famous drivers than any other car you could ever mention thus was the nature of the championship which is why I feel rightly or wrongly it deserves renovating

Hi Al... Was you looking for some photos of Iroc's?.. Not sure if it was you or another guy, but I have a few good shots that I can email, but not sure what year/ season they're from.. Let me know?

That would be great Jeff, the car is the 76/77 model which is when they started using the spaceframe/tubular chassis, proir to that they were basically modified road cars. Funny enough there are a few pictures about of the earlier ones with the big chrome bumer but not so many of the Banjo Matthews chassis jobs like mine. As I said before I do have some video footage on a Havoc movie but it is a bit grainy and what I really would like is some good shots of the rear of the car including the rear spoiler. My work email which has a large fle capability is allan@cadart.com

That would be great Jeff, the car is the 76/77 model which is when they started using the spaceframe/tubular chassis, proir to that they were basically modified road cars. Funny enough there are a few pictures about of the earlier ones with the big chrome bumer but not so many of the Banjo Matthews chassis jobs like mine. As I said before I do have some video footage on a Havoc movie but it is a bit grainy and what I really would like is some good shots of the rear of the car including the rear spoiler. My work email which has a large fle capability is allan@cadart.com
Check your email tomorrow Al.. I'll send them over.. If anyone else wants a few then let me know and I'll duplicate..

Thanks Jeff I appreciate that.

Jeff,
another point.
my mate who knew the car when rob first bought it says,
there where no stickers or decals on it , just silver and blue stripes. i wonder if it had been painted before it left the us, or if it had beed painted here, after 1969. what are your thoughts.
did trans am cars have decals to speak of,
last thing was the car seam welded.

another last thing. you say the boot pull was in the car, this i would imagine would only be needed for quick filling , ie long distance races,

From what I understand the car looked like it had been "repainted" before it was stored..probably in the US, but no way of knowing for sure .. The remote trunk release was a neat detail, and I think it was a US mod.. Wish I could be sure!!

Jeff,
when dick Guldstrand and john coster saw your car pictures
they both thought they had seen this car before,but did they give you the correct lead on the roll cage man , or perhaps
if they had remembered incorrectly, this avenue should be retraced. cant have been to many guys with that sort of skill
in such a small circle of cars,
ps rob potter says he sold the 302 from your car in early 8os , for the large sum of 2ooo pounds. a huge amount then.sold to a f5000 guy. must have been special i think.
also that he had a spare trans in a crate.

Good memory call !!..Guldstrand thought the car & cage was built by McDonald (ex-Dana)..I contacted him, but he was pretty sure that it wasn't one of his..plus he built the Guldstrand T/A camaro which would therefore have been the sister car (and cage) to mine..When I checked that out it was clear that the cage was too different.. BTW..McDonald died last year.
Potter also sold the axle for "big bucks" as well as the engine, but the M22 gearbox ("Rock-crusher") is still in the car..The engine was alleged to be either a Bartz or Traco unit, and the axle possibly a Pontiac "full size"..

Hi Jeff,
is there any way to check imports ie with customs,
as there would have been duty paid.on the car.
also are there any missing 67 s from europe, or are you sure it came in straight from the usa.
we could do with some extra help, ie some yanks on board to help solve this car,would be fantastic if we
could track it down.
did you speak to Rob potters mechanic yet

Jeff,
any chance there would car a listing in the scca / trans am
register. of the period, or have you tried this .

I have found a mention of a Camaro racing at Silverstone in 1967! It is in a support race for the British Grand Prix meeting and the driver is listed as visiting Californian Tom Lynch. Does any one know any more about this car/driver?

Camaroz, there's this thread off ten-tenths, from a couple of years ago. Or maybe this is what you were referring to?

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32580

According to the thread poster, they say they have one of the Rob Potter Camaros in the USA.

Steve,

Just when I thought I could solve the mystery!

Sounds like Jeff Barleys car and the car in the US may be one and the same. Interesting to see that reference is made to 'Casey's Coachworks', Jeff's info is 'Curleys Coachworks! Maybe Jeff could check out his rear panels for evidence of a fuel filler!

Any info on Red Dawson?

Sorry about that. Had to make it more challenging for you!

Did you not get my email from yesterday?

Do we know how many Camaro's Rob Potter campaigned?
Re: e-mail, not on my MEM address. Is your FWDG computer up and running again?

Just re-sent it. Let me know if you don't have it in the next couple of minutes. Have re-sent it to both your addresses. FWDG and other are both on same pc, just with different sender name options......if that makes sense? Pc is up and running now. Was using a laptop during the week while the pc was getting fixed. Then the laptop dropped dead too!

Sounds like Jeff Barleys car and the car in the US may be one and the same. Interesting to see that reference is made to 'Casey's Coachworks', Jeff's info is 'Curleys Coachworks! Maybe Jeff could check out his rear panels for evidence of a fuel filler!

Any info on Red Dawson?

Hey Guys!!...sorry to dissapoint you!!.. Just checked that old thread.. That was posted by a friend of mine who actually used to work on my race cars for me.. We were working on the theory that my car might have been the Tom Lynch camaro.. Tom Lynch had a T/A camaro built by Dana Chevrolet in CA..He entered it for the '67 Sebring race but DNF'd..didn't even get in one lap because he'd used normal split pins to secure the hurst shift instead of the hardened clips.. TL then bought the car to the Uk to run a few races in Europe because he was over here helping Dick Guldstrand at Le Mans.. He raced the camaro a few times over here but then we discovered that it was returned to the US.. The car has since been found (in the US) and i assisted in its rightful documentation and authentification.. You guys had me going then!!.. Nice try though!!!

Anyone know a "Jerry Mahoney" with a connection to "Fibreglass"?.. was in buisness in London in the early 70's "repairing race car bodywork"?

Name rings a bell, not loud enough at the moment unfortunately.

Hello Again Jeff,

I've have recently been made aware of a facility to trace (some) ownership details via VIN numbers. I'm checking a car through California and it is probably a very long shot but worth a try. I would guess that if it's available in CA, then other States will have it too, though perhaps in a different configuration.
I believe that details on file are available, but privacy issues may come into play.
If you have a VIN, give it a try. You will need someone with CA residency and a licence I think. See how you go. If you have no contacts, let me know and i'll see what I can swing. Like I said, a very long shot, but it has to be worth a try.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/inf/inf70.pdf

Bruce.

Was anyone at Brands for the first race of the 1980 Ascar series?..

Apparently Rob lost his camaro going into Paddock and went backwards into the armco REAL bad.. Anyone remember the incident or maybe had any photos of the accident?..

Robs camaro was silver with twin blue stripes in the 79 Ascar series but repainted it black and white for the 1980 series...Any pictures available from either year?

Jeff,

If Rob bum-punched the Camaro "real bad" at Brands, could this mean that any evidence of a Tom Lynch fuel filler location was replaced in the repair? I know you have 'found' Lynch's car in the states but does it have an iron tight lineage?

Yes I'm afraid that the ex-Lynch camaro does have a "tight" lineage and they found the evidence of the fuel filler etc on the shell during the research..

Unfortunatly for my car, the Potter crash ended up with the replacement of most of the bodywork at the rear of the car, plus the doors were also "misplaced" at the bodyshop when the car was being stripped and repainted..

What I do have is a Holman Moody fuel filler "sytem" that is apparently very unusual on a Camaro (HM obviously being normally associated with Ford)

Jeff,

Any News?

Hi Camaroz!...sorry..havn't been checking the forum too regular recently.. whoops!!..
Making slow but steady progress into the history of my car.. currently following the trail that it might have had some connection with the Canadian scene from 68-70, possibly either at St Jovite in the T/A or in the Canadian Touring car championship.. maybe a link to the Titus Firebird T/A programme of 1969, where its alleged that at least one (or two?) camaros were re-shelled as Firebirds...but its VERY slow..!!

Jeff

Hey....a novice here....but can you give me a short version of the authentication stuff of the T. Lynch 1967 Camaro for a guy who knows nothing about it? I remember that car while growing up, and knew that it went to Europe and raced and heard it came back....but who has it and how do they know it? Wasn't it built just like one other Dana Chevrolet Camaro? Did it change hands, or just remain in one guys possession?
I read where you helped in its history. Could you lend some light on where it went from Europe and sounds like it was in a wreck or something? Any pictures of it? Is it still white? THank you so much for your time Jeff.....I just enjoy those old stories of "Histories of where all the racecars went!

Hi !.. Tom Lynch's camaro was indeed built by Bobby Joe McDonald, who sadly passed away a year or so ago..I did get the chance to speak and correspond with BJMcD a few years back.. The Lynch car was one of 4 that Bobby prepared at Dana.. I believe all 4 were taken literally off the Dana forecourt and turned into race cars.. One was raced by Dick Guldstrand and has been found and restored.. Two of the other cars were lost in a trailoring accident leaving Tom's car.. None of the 4 cars were Z28's by the way..

Toms car was built as an identical twin to the Guldstrand car and i believe were built "side by side"..The only differences between the two that I am aware of is that the rear seat was left in Toms car because the regs in Europe required it, plus Tom wanted a different steering wheel.. Tom was taking a sabatical and was off to Europe to help Dick Guldstrand at Le Mans in '67 and then intended to enter some saloon events here in Europe whilst he was over here.. Toms car was plain white..

Tom entered the car at Sebring in '67 and DNF's before completing the first lap.. They had used the wrong pins on the shifter connection .. The car was then shipped to the UK where in entered a few races including a couple in Europe. (I have the details on file)..

I am not sure when Tom returned to the US or whether the car went straight back with him, but it does re-appear in the US in the early 70's.. It was thought that my car was the ex-Lynch car until I was able to proove otherwise.. Hence my knowledge of the details..

I am not sure what happened to the car after that, except that it resurfaced a couple of years ago in the US, where it was prooven to be the ex-Lynch car.. I supported the documentation evidence and endorsed the certification.. I also sent the then owner ("Mike") the original race programmes that I had aquired in the UK to add to the cars documentation..At that time the car was a rolling shell, and not much else.. It was then offered for sale, but I am not sure that it sold.

I have some photos of the Lynch car but have never figured out how to post pics on the forum.. If you want to email me @ jeffbarley@aol.com (or anyone else does for that matter) then I'd be pleased to send you a couple..

Curious why there is a particular interest in the Lynch car?.. Have you found somthing or is this just an old itch that you are scratching?

Jeff

Just that it seems like every other Vintage Trans-Am car has been found is all.
I didn't know that the Lynch car had also been found. My love of vintage Trans-Am cars goes back to when I saw them run at Seattle International Raceway in Kent Washington-back when I was a young pup! I Always wished I could race in that event! So I keep up on the events, and have noticed that it seemed that the Lynch car had never been found and restored is all.
I would truly love any pictures you have that you could send. Wow, that would be great. alswartz@gte.net Thank you so much for your time Jeff.

If anyone is interested in seeing a really nice Camaro racing have a look at Dave Edward's example that I parked my Camaro next to at Snetterton for the Classic Touring Car Race. The car is beautifuly prepared and a real credit to the owner and crew and put my home prepared job a bit in the shade (I do me best though honest :) ).

Thanks for your email address..I'll forward you some pics of the Lynch camaro later this evening.. FYi there are still a reasonable number of early T/A camaros that are still unaccounted for.. Oh, and you're very fortunate to have seen them "in period" !!