Car Liveries

This is what the South African entry is going to look like... Im not sure if this will change later?

Anyone got other pics of all the other cars...
Pictured there with the SA president no less...

More pics at http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2004&S=A1GP&E=A1_GP_South_Africa_launch#

Here's the UK car:

I like the SA car more ;)

Although it could almost pass as a Jordan...

I like the SA car more ;)



Thought you might!

Hmm, don't like our livery much...

Found a pic of Lebanon (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/crashnet/images/120943.jpg)'s entry, which I think is quite tidy.

Here's the UK car:It is a shame it isn't green.

I think it looks better like that than it might in green.

As we've seen on the Jaguar F1 cars, green just looks naff on a modern single seater (IMHO).

They could have chosen to copy a classic british team livery though, e.g. JPS/Olympus, Yardley, Martini Brabham, etc. They needn't use the actual sponser, but imagine a JPS coloured entry for the UK :rotate:

The best I've seen is that of the Bahrain (maybe it's Dubai?) entry, it has a cartoonish T-Rex livery on white background, reminds me of the ALMS 2001 "Croc" Audi of Allan McNish.

Found a pic of the pakistani livery.

Mexico and Australia are the two final countries to make up the six that have presented their liveries. I cant find any decent pics of those though :(.

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/7965/pakistanlivery6ip.th.png (http://img76.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img76&image=pakistanlivery6ip.png)
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It is a shame it isn't green.


I think the Union flag thing better sums up a British image - they're trying to get instant identification from casual viewers as well as hard core.

Well people didn't know about BRG when they first invented it. People can learn again. :)

I think it looks better like that than it might in green.

As we've seen on the Jaguar F1 cars, green just looks naff on a modern single seater (IMHO).

:rotate:

IMHO the Jaguar had the nicest paintjob on the grid. Would've looked much better somewhere near the front, s'all. ;)

Looks like there will be a lot of green on the grid anyway.Brazil & Pakistan already anounced.Most Moslem countries seem to have green on their flags.Also a lot of red,white & blue.
I too would have preferred they used the International Racing Colours.

Did any of you watch the A1 coverage on Fifth Gear last night? They had Jason Plato driving the Dubai entry car on the local track.

Yup, I saw that.
Presumably that was the only test car the Dubai entry had? Or was it a general A1GP test car?

Its a shame he wasn't allowed to put his foot down though :(.

The circuit looked rather neat though.

Yup, I saw that.
Presumably that was the only test car the Dubai entry had? Or was it a general A1GP test car?

Its a shame he wasn't allowed to put his foot down though :(.

The circuit looked rather neat though.

Yup and at the same time doubles up as the "official" show/test car which is not surprising at all. I think the Dubai circuit is better designed than that of Bahrain for sure.

It was a test car.

There is not a "Dubai" entry as such - it would be United Arab Emirates anyway - and they are not on the confirmed list just yet.

It seem the A1GP organisers would like all cars competing to wear their country's colors, what impact would this have on possible sponsors I wonder

Aussie car is also Green and Gold, There's going to be a lot of green cars out there! You can find pics of the various launches and the cars at www.******************/a1gp

It seem the A1GP organisers would like all cars competing to wear their country's colors, what impact would this have on possible sponsors I wonderAn interesting question,also who defines a countries' colours?
a, colour of flag
b, other colour associated with that country
c, official FIA colour (now defunct)
I guess they will have to find sponsors with the same colours as one of the above- like Ferrari?

I would imagine the colours recognisable to the citizens of that country as their own.

For example, both New Zealand and Australia (and other pacific islands with british ensigns for flags) have strong traditions of sportspeople competing in other colours than the flag. Black and white for NZ, green and gold for Aussie.

I thing the organizers intention is to prevent sponsors from dominating. The negotiations will be interesting...

Are there gonna be sponsors? I'm not sure...

Some of the cars do have sponsors already... mostly smaller stickers though. Not sure if a sponsor will be able to use the whole car...

China's car looks cracking - with sponsors.

The liveries are lovely...I'm just not keen on the look of the car!

The liveries are lovely...I'm just not keen on the look of the car!

Why? What need fixing exactly?

It looks wrong... not sure but its not quite a low nose indy / 1995 Ferrari or quite a high nose...

just not convinced by its looks.

It might be something to do with the fact that Sheikh Makhtoum specified a certain 'look' for the car, before serious engineering began. There's an element of mutton dressed as lamb about them, the lines have an artificial feel, rather than wind tunnel sculpted.

yeah, he stipulated certain things like fins and a futuristic look. I actually did some designs for this on behalf of "another manufacture" who was putting in to tender along with Lola. In the end both designs (they guy who did the actual styling was actually in my year at Uni - small world) were quite similar. Low profile tyres seem to have dissapeared, they were very keen on them, although knew they wouldnt work

It's a pity they didn't take a '97 F1 car (wide track/slicks) and simply aim at that look. eg Ferrari or McLaren.
Even the Nissan World Series Dallara is a better looking more balanced looking car...or the Formula Nippon Reynards from 99-2000.
I guess that wouldn't have distinguished the car enough from other series. Pity...

Hum. I do think it's a bit of a shame they're not using the good old "official" car colours...

Though they would probably have to invent a few for nations new to motorsport - and for new countries too. Chile's is the craziest instruction. And so is Czechoslovakia - presumably each balkanised former Czech state could have one part of their old colours! And it sounds like Half-Nelson Piquet was racing for Egypt last year. And Sweden are even sillier.

I've found this list, if anyone's interested...,
Country - Car Colours - Number Colours
Argentina - car:blue with black bonnet - numbers: red on white
Belgium - car: yellow - numbers: black
Brazil - car: light-yellow & green - numbers: black
Bulgaria - car: green with white bonnet - numbers: red on white
Chile - car: red with blue bonnet & white rear end - numbers: half blue and half red on white or entirely red
Czechoslovakia - car: white with blue and white bonnet and red rear end - numbers: blue
Egypt - car: light-lilac - numbers: red on white
Finland - car: black - numbers: blue on white (explains why Finns gravitate to McLaren)
France - car: blue - numbers: white
Germany - car: white (yes, white not silver!) - numbers: red
Great Britain - car: green - numbers: white
Hungary - car: white with red bonnet and green rear end - numbers: black
Ireland - car: green with horizontal orange stripe - numbers: white
Italy - car: red - numbers: white
Luxembourg - car: grey - numbers: white on red
Monaco - car: white with horizontal red stripe - numbers: black on white
Netherlands - car: orange - numbers: white
Poland - car: white - numbers: red
Romania - car: navy blue with red rear end - numbers: yellow
Spain - car: red with yellow bonnet - numbers: black on yellow/white on red
Sweden - car: lower part: blue, upper part: yellow with 3 yellow stripes on the bonnet - numbers: white
Switzerland - car: red with white bonnet - numbers: black
Thailand - car: light-blue with light blue wheels and horizontal yellow stripe - numbers: white on blue
USA - car: white with blue rear end - numbers: blue on white

And Sweden are even sillier.


Absolutely. How would you paint the top half 'yellow with three yellow stripes'??
:rofl:

Absolutely. How would you paint the top half 'yellow with three yellow stripes'??
:rofl:
I think this instruction got mixed up. It was LOWER part yellow(ie the chassis frame when these colours were devised in the 20s) upper part blue with yellow stripes.I remember Jo Bonnier did have a Maserati 250F blue with yellow cross stripes around 1957.
Extra colours introduced in 50s & 60s;
Australia-Green &Gold
New Zealand-Green & Silver
South Africa-Green & Buff
Canada-Green & white
Japan- White with red rising sun on bonnet.
Mexico-Gold & blue

...
Japan- White with red rising sun on bonnet.
...

Talk about a weight penalty!! :p

This is the most difinitive list I've seen:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/misc/colours.php?db=ct

Maybe an "image" column would help. There are some good pics around on the net if you search around. My favourite is without a doubt the USA colours, the blue/white NART Ferrari was an absolute classic :)

I for one would have much prefered if the national racing colours were used, opportunity missed IMO.

Is there a side-on orthographic view of the A1GP car somewhere? With that we could render it with national colours and our own ideas!

The trouble is this series is trying with it's world cup approach no doubt to get people who wouldn't normally watch racing interested. Most other sports have a world cup of some sort that has countries competing with each other, so this format is a lot closer to what people normally understand by a 'world' championship.

But these new viewers aren't going to know anything at all about national racing colours, nor will they want to have to learn them.

I think its best if they can associate the UK car for instance with an England football shirt or something.

But these new viewers aren't going to know anything at all about national racing colours, nor will they want to have to learn them.
I do see your point, but isn't it a shame that we live in the world where even that small level of intrigue is over the head of most.

I think its best if they can associate the UK car for instance with an England football shirt or something.


It would be better to associate the UK car with a Union Flag identity, rather than an English one....

I do see your point, but isn't it a shame that we live in the world where even that small level of intrigue is over the head of most.

Yes it is sad :( But nothing's going to change with that respect overnight so...

why not drap a flag over the cars, and paint it as such?
racing for holland on the other hand does wonderful liveries with the proper Colors

I think its funny that that car has been painted so many times, id hate to be the country that ends up with a 10kilo overweight car.

wait...there is only one prototype running around for all these shows?
it looks as if they are gonna need about 100 cars by the 'entry list' so far,
once again the best laid plans

wait...there is only one prototype running around for all these shows?
it looks as if they are gonna need about 100 cars by the 'entry list' so far,
once again the best laid plans

50 cars are on order and being built at Lola

there are two at the moment, one keeps being repainted and the other is testing and developing

Hmm, don't like our livery much...

Found a pic of Lebanon (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/crashnet/images/120943.jpg)'s entry, which I think is quite tidy.

I like that
:)

But these new viewers aren't going to know anything at all about national racing colours, nor will they want to have to learn them.

I think its best if they can associate the UK car for instance with an England football shirt or something.

I do see your point, but isn't it a shame that we live in the world where even that small level of intrigue is over the head of most.

I don't see Pirenzo's point. People are happy to come to terms with the different colours that football teams play in when compared to say the same nation's rugby, hockey or even cricket colours, and then their away strips and the strips they wear when their colours are too similar to the opposing team. People learn when a football team changes its colours for no apparent reason.

At least the national motor-racing colours are recognised by someone!

And I bet you any money that the Italian entry is red.

I'm not sure football teams are a good analogy - they seem to use one of 4 different strips depending on the manager's mood on the day.
I remember the Scottish Rugby Union tried some different reverse strips a few years ago but very quickly reverted back to white. The orange one especially was awful - and not in the least bit Scottish!
I know down here at least there'd be a lynch mob of some sort set up if our car was not black. Likewise the Aussie car just wouldn't look Aussie enough if it wasn't green & gold.
England is probably one of the few countries that could get away with using racing colours, because British Racing Green is such a well know colour. And we are ultimately after quick recognition in terms of liveries.

And I bet you any money that the Italian entry is red.
That'll be an interesting one:
Flag = green/white/red
National Sports Teams = Blue (hence the 'Azzuri')
National Racing Colours = Red
I'd go for red too though, at the risk of offending Ferrari ;)

I'd go for red too though, at the risk of offending Ferrari ;)

I'm always in favour of offending Ferrari! :p

Here is where you can check out the various picture galleries
from the A1 Grand Prix team launches.

http://www.pitpass.com/src/a1gp/a1gp_index.php

Team China is the best looking so far IMO. That dragon is :cool: !

Followed by Lebanon. Mainly for the font they used to write 'Lebanon' ;)

The British one...urrr...I don't know...looks a bit...yeah, no, 'ugly' is the word I'm looking for.

The British one...urrr...I don't know...looks a bit...yeah, no, 'ugly' is the word I'm looking for.

I think the British entry will end up being Racing Green

Cos - what makes you say that? Do you know something we don't, or are you expressing a preference?

T'was on a press release somewhere I think

See, that'd be much better.
The union jack look reminds me of football supporters singlets, or the Goodies, guys with hankerchief sunhats. I'm not disrespecting your cultural icons, but it's just not a racy look - more Pomp & Circumstance than Chemical Brothers
:)

British Racing Green is :cool:

I am excited there is going to be a street race in San Antonio TX...Where you do suggest I go to look at all the current liveries? The English car I agree with all of you should be BRG.

Jeremy

Here is where you can check out the various picture galleries
from the A1 Grand Prix team launches.

http://www.pitpass.com/src/a1gp/a1gp_index.php

Here's where I went Jeremy :)

Here's where I went Jeremy :)

Brilliant thank you so much Jester!
:)

I am excited there is going to be a street race in San Antonio TX...Where you do suggest I go to look at all the current liveries? The English car I agree with all of you should be BRG.

Jeremy


The British car, please - rather than English!

The British car, please - rather than English!

Pardon me I apologise, that really is what I meant and you are quite right to correct me KB.
:innocent:

Portugal will be launching there car on the 30th of May 2005.

Zero informations about Portuguese launch by now.

Heres the irish a1gp entry

http://img225.exs.cx/img225/1541/untitled22bf.jpg

are those colurs true? I mean, accurate shades?

Looks good, might be confused with the aussie car at speed.

Ireland don't have an entry as yet - that's a (fairly unconvincing!) photoshop job

Yes VERY unconvincing! Not even the correct Irish colours.Maybe a drive for Sarah Kavanagh now that Danica has proved that women can do it at the highest level?

Hi guys. New around here, so if this sounds weird, take it with a grain of salt. :)
According to http://www.a1gp.com and http://www.a1gpdrivers.com, the official sites, there isn't and there will not be a Irish entrance. All 30 places have been allocated, as you can see on that site. Sorry Go-Jordan :( And guys, remembering it is the british car and not the english car, it's Subsaharan Afrika car, and not South Afrikan car ;)

Cheers :)

there never was an Irish Entry !

Hi guys. New around here, so if this sounds weird, take it with a grain of salt. :)
According to http://www.a1gp.com and http://www.a1gpdrivers.com, the official sites, there isn't and there will not be a Irish entrance. All 30 places have been allocated, as you can see on that site. Sorry Go-Jordan :( And guys, remembering it is the british car and not the english car, it's Subsaharan Afrika car, and not South Afrikan car ;)

Cheers :)Yes,I think it was meant to be a joke Alban! BTW;what is 'subsaharanAfrica'? Can anyone name a race driver from any country south of the Sahara,besides SA or the former Rhodesia?

I think they just just didn't want to upset all of Afrika so they stick with SA's colors but representing the continent. Just a thought :)

Still woundering if the Dutch car will be Orange, Checkered or Red/white/blue.

Orange would be nice, remember the old F1 porsche of Carel Godin de Beaufort!