Supernova 4 May 2005, 02:32 I am researching the Tui marque and am looking for any information or photos of these cars. Here is what I know so far:
Tui cars were designed by New Zealander Allan McCall who had worked as a mechanic for Jim Clark and then for McLaren in F1, CanAm and USAC. In 1970 McCall produced an F3 car the Tui AM1 (Tui is a bird native to New Zealand). The AM1 consisted of an aluminium monocoque chassis with outboard suspension. Powered by a Broadspeed engine many of the cars parts used were from the McLaren works (uprights, suspension, windscreen etc) - indeed the car was like a small McLaren M7. The car had a wheelbase of 84.5 ins. and a front track of 54 ins. and rear of 56 ins. In Formula B spec the car was very successful winning three out of 5 races and leading the other two!
This Formula 3 car was to form the basis for all the cars which were to follow.
Mcall's next car was to be the AM29 which was initially penned to be an Atlantic car but because Fred Opert (who imported Tui cars) was handling Chevron Atlantics he declined the new car. However he did need Super Vees so the new chassis was adapted with cars to be built by Leda.
In 1972 Allan McCall entered Formula 2 with the Leda-Tui AM29 however the team was devastated by the loss of Hawthorne who was killed at Hockenheim in the early spring. There after, all new cars started with the prefix BH in deference to Bert Hawthorne. The season continued with Dave Morgan and John Watson driving the second car, Morgan managed to put the Tui on pole at Albi and Watson took 5th place at Rouen. McCall was to work again with Watson when he managed the Hexagon Brabham Formula 1 team. McCall also designed the 1973 Techno F1 car.
The AM29 (which was also used in Super Vee) soon became the BH2 and this chassis was entered in the North American Formula Atlantic Championship btween 1975 - 1977. In 1976 the BH2 did moderately well and was in fact the biggest thorn in the side of March's complete dominance. McCall ran the team with Elliott Forbes-Robinson driving. EFR got a pair of seconds to Gilles Villeneuve, and a third. After a disagreement EFR left the team and was replaced by Tom Gloy who also received two seconds and a pole at Laguna Seca's end of season race. Other drivers of the BH2 were Brett Lunger, Damien Magee and John Nicholson.
The BH3 used basically the same tub and served purely as a Super Vee car. The chassis differed from the AM29 in that the rear pick up point for the lower link was moved outboard. Success came to Tui in 1973 with Bertil Roos winning the VW Gold Cup professional Super Vee championship in a Fred Opert Team BH3 car chassis 011. Roos came 2nd in the World Super Vee Championship. As far as I can determine around 1974 the marque started to use the "Supernova" name with the final cars in the series being the BH5 Super Vee of 1975-1976, also known as the SSV75 and the F3 car (SF3). Thanks to Andrew Baker and John Morrison it has been established that the cars were built in Billingshurst, West Sussex (Station Approach) in batches of six. The head technician was Stan Collier and Jerry Judd was the business manager. If anyone can add more information or supply photos please contact me.
Chassis:
AM1 ----------- F3 and FB total number unknown.
AM29 ---------- Super Vee and F2. Total production unknown. AM29/1 destroyed in accident at Hockenheim - Bert Hawthorne killed.
BH2 -------- ex F2 converted to Atlantic and raced in North America. BH2/1 and BH2/2. One BH2 survives and I think it is BH2/2. BH2/3 was to be built but came to nothing. Does anyone know which chassis John Watson drove?
BH3 ------Super Vee I own chassis 011 (Ex Roos championship car). There are a few survivors one owned by Mark Lawton and running in the classic F3 series in the UK. Andrew Baker also owns a BH3 in the UK car was under restoration but I do not know it's current disposition. Various BH3s have been butchered in the US to run in Solo events and several others await restoration. Total production unknow but something between 18 - 21.
Supernova BH4 --- New tub but utilizing much of the BH3 suspension. Pre wings car for 1974 with new bodywork. By this time McCall had nothing to do with the marque.
Supernova BH5 (SSV75) Same tub as BH4 with same bodywork but now with front and rear wings - still air cooled. Good looking car! I own a tub and a few parts to #004. Richard Wilkinson in California owns #007 where it is run in vintage events. Very quick car.
Supernova SF3 : Formula 3 car - 1 only. Little known. Does anyone know what happened to this car?
Thank You,
Mike Short,
Austin Tx.
Bryan Miller 4 May 2005, 03:14 Mike,
A gentleman in the U.S. by the name of Rob. Laverty was enquiring re. Tui's a few years ago on the Brabham site in the open forum.
www.nvo.com/brabhams, you may be able to contact him as he has/had a Tui.
Bryan Miller.
Pete Brennan 4 May 2005, 04:06 I have Allans email if you need it
Supernova 4 May 2005, 15:32 Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the information. I have been in touch with Rob in the past and he knew little about the marque (as do most people). As I dig more I am finding tidbits of information, some good and some conjecture. For instance just today I was browsing the OldRacingCars.com site and I noticed that the Mcrae GM1 F5000 car has almost exactly the same nose piece as the Tui F2 car and the Supernova F3 car. This makes sense because both were built by Len Terry's Leda cars. What is interesting is that the Supernova nose even looks as though the moulding is set up for a wider chord front wing like that which would be used in F5000. Maybe I will restore my Supernovea at some point!
Mike Short,
Austin Tx.
Mike,
A gentleman in the U.S. by the name of Rob. Laverty was enquiring re. Tui's a few years ago on the Brabham site in the open forum.
www.nvo.com/brabhams, you may be able to contact him as he has/had a Tui.
Bryan Miller.
Supernova 4 May 2005, 15:40 Hello Pete,
I would be grateful for Allan's e-mail --- Thanks. I have been in touch with Allan in the past but he did not add too much to what I already know. I am sure there are many stories lurking. Sometimes I think he is a little reluctant to rekindle memories, some of which are painful (regarding Bert Hawthorne's death). I think this is why I am somewhat hesitant in contacting him.
Mike Short,
Austin Tx.
I have Allans email if you need it
Pete Brennan 4 May 2005, 23:54 Mike,it's on its way .Good luck
One of the Super V cars is owned by John Hafner from Vancouver Canada who uses it for Autocross and Hillcblimbs. I believe that he shortened the car/wheelbase. The thing has big horsepower (turbo'd) and is increadibly fast.
I'll try and get the chassis number.
A picture of it can be viewed at http://www.caccautosport.org/gallery/album07/P5230123
Jim Keller
I think I can help you there Mike - I drove for Ian William's Supernova SuperVWs 73/4 and 5 including a couple of visits Stateside with Opert, the UK Silver Cup and Euro Gold Cup series those years. A great few seasons. PM me if you will.
It was Ian who bought the Tui thing from Malcolm Bridgelands Malaya Garage at the end of 72.
allenbrown 5 May 2005, 23:17 ... just today I was browsing the OldRacingCars.com site ...Mike
I was hoping I could help in some way with this research but am quite surprised that I already have! I have some Tui results on the site, for example US 1971 FB (http://www.oldracingcars.com/results/racelist.asp?CategoryID=LP), but I have little understanding of those early cars. Presumably that 1971 FB car was the Tui AM1, not a BH2?
Allen
Supernova 6 May 2005, 00:02 Hi Allen,
I was just looking at those results today and already have a correction to make (to my original message). I noticed that in 1971 there was a total of 6 FB races and it appears that the Tui was entered in 5 of the six winning Mexico City, Edmonton and Brainerd. You are right to say that this was the Tui AM1 F3/FB car. Here is a link to a photo of Hawthorne in the AM1 car.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/142213135/339116781ebBeDv
Mike.
I was hoping I could help in some way with this research but am quite surprised that I already have! I have some Tui results on the site, for example US 1971 FB (http://www.oldracingcars.com/results/racelist.asp?CategoryID=LP), but I have little understanding of those early cars. Presumably that 1971 FB car was the Tui AM1, not a BH2?
Allen
allenbrown 13 May 2005, 18:55 I'm too interested in Tuis to let this thread fade away. We need more information, folks!
Can anyone post the 1970 F3 Tui results? Maybe from the F1 Register book to start with?
Bert Hawthorne's 1971 FB results are:
R2 Monterrey - retired, mechanical (18th)
R3 Mexico City - WON
R4 Edmonton - WON
R5 Brainerd - WON
R6 Elkhart Lake - crashed (32nd)
In 1972, the Leda-Tui appears in European F2 and in US FSV. We have covered the two cars used in F2 but I can add some details of the 1972 FSV season:
Fred Philips "Leda Tui" (from R2 Watkins Glen) - 8 races, 2nd at R3 Road Atlanta
Fred Van Beuren "Leda Tui" (from R2 Watkins Glen) - 7 races
Jon Woodner "Tui" (from R3 Road Atlanta) - 6 races, won at R7 Laguna Seca
Peter Schuster "Leda Tui" (from R4 Donnybrook) - 3 races
Mike Eyerley "Leda Tui" (R6 Portland only) - may have driven Van Beuren's car.
Scooter Patrick "Leda Tui" (from R7 Laguna Seca) - 2 races, could have taken over Schuster's car
So that's at least four FSV cars, more likely five. Presumably these are AM29s, like the F2 cars. Vercoe says Opert ordered eight AM29s for 1972 and that McCall used chassis AM29/7 for F2. I don't know where he got that information from but the number of eight AM29s seems highly plausible.
In 1973, FSV was full of Tui BH3s, run by Roos, Philips, Dave McMillan, Van Beuren, Tom Reddy, Dick Cooney, Bert Everett, Jack Rabold, Eyerley (again just a single guest drive), John Benton, Bill Collins and John Morrison with Steve Griswold (yes, him!) in a Tui AM29. Who built the BH3s? Leda again?
In 1974, the Supernova Tuis appear but the marque was eclipsed in FSV.
Allen
Supernova 13 May 2005, 21:31 Allen,
Thanks for your contribution. The information about AM29s is interesting and could be accurate. I always wondered which chassis became the F2 car. I have a few more names to add to your list:
Below information comes from 1976 and 1977 Road Racing Annuals:
1975 Season:
1) Bob Lazier who finnished 4th in the VW Gold Cup. He is listed as driving a Lola T324 however photo shows him to be in a BH5 with rear wing and F3 Chevron or March nose with intake tapped off. Competed all races that season. (I have photo of this car)
2) Billy McConnell BH5. Finnished season in 8th place. Sponsored by Essex Chemical. Competed full season. (I have photo)
3) K. K. Ross? According to Fred Opert this is Keke Rosberg. Competed at Watkins (05-10-75) only - 6th place finish.
4) Stu Moore Tui AM29 Competed one race only - Mosport (21-09-75) - finished 7th.
There other drivers in 1975 but chassis are not listed.
1976 Season:
1) Francisco Romero Opert Racing Tui BH5 - Competed 6 races (8th 10th 7th and 8th 2 DNFs).
2) Stuart Moore still using AM29! 7 races (5th 13th 13th 12th 3 DNFs)
3) Bobby Rahal Opert Racing Supernova Tui BH5 - first race of the season only (Daytona Jan 31 1976) Finished 5th. Sposored by Red Roof Inns. (I have photo of Rahal in cockpit).
I also have a photo of Hurley Haywood in a BH3 (Zeitler Team). Appears to be around 1973. Paul Pfanner the current President of "Racer" magazine also had a BH3 but I am not sure of details.
Another little point of interest. Allan McCall told me that one can tell the differance between the AM29 and BH3 by the shape of the side of the monocoque. AM29 has a slightly rounded side to the monocoque where as the BH3 is flat.
Mike Short.
I'm too interested in Tuis to let this thread fade away. We need more information, folks!
Can anyone post the 1970 F3 Tui results? Maybe from the F1 Register book to start with?
Bert Hawthorne's 1971 FB results are:
R2 Monterrey - retired, mechanical (18th)
R3 Mexico City - WON
R4 Edmonton - WON
R5 Brainerd - WON
R6 Elkhart Lake - crashed (32nd)
In 1972, the Leda-Tui appears in European F2 and in US FSV. We have covered the two cars used in F2 but I can add some details of the 1972 FSV season:
Fred Philips "Leda Tui" (from R2 Watkins Glen) - 8 races, 2nd at R3 Road Atlanta
Fred Van Beuren "Leda Tui" (from R2 Watkins Glen) - 7 races
Jon Woodner "Tui" (from R3 Road Atlanta) - 6 races, won at R7 Laguna Seca
Peter Schuster "Leda Tui" (from R4 Donnybrook) - 3 races
Mike Eyerley "Leda Tui" (R6 Portland only) - may have driven Van Beuren's car.
Scooter Patrick "Leda Tui" (from R7 Laguna Seca) - 2 races, could have taken over Schuster's car
So that's at least four FSV cars, more likely five. Presumably these are AM29s, like the F2 cars. Vercoe says Opert ordered eight AM29s for 1972 and that McCall used chassis AM29/7 for F2. I don't know where he got that information from but the number of eight AM29s seems highly plausible.
In 1973, FSV was full of Tui BH3s, run by Roos, Philips, Dave McMillan, Van Beuren, Tom Reddy, Dick Cooney, Bert Everett, Jack Rabold, Eyerley (again just a single guest drive), John Benton, Bill Collins and John Morrison with Steve Griswold (yes, him!) in a Tui AM29. Who built the BH3s? Leda again?
In 1974, the Supernova Tuis appear but the marque was eclipsed in FSV.
Allen
I've just emailed Mike as this is quite a large subject for me. I've suggested finding Ian Williams and Fred Opert who were the king pins behind the Supanova side of things, 73 onwards.
I do not have any lists of chassis numbers or stuff, but remember the period vividly. For example, at the end of 73, having won the UK Silver Cup and Coming 4th in the Euro Gold series, Toby St George Matthews who was my team mate, and I ran at Riverside and Laguna Seca, the final two rounds of the US series. The stories are endless . . . I think we left both cars with Fred at the end of the year, came home to build new season's cars.
I can't remember when Rosberg tested with us, probably in 73 at Goodwood. He was driving for Kaimann of course and we beat him in Sweden - he beat us at Silverstone, Zolder and somewhere else. Fantastic racing with Kottulinsky who I later teamed up with at Daytona, he in ATS Lola, me in BH4 where we shared the front row, Brorson, Persson, Nillson, Schurti etc.
allenbrown 14 May 2005, 16:21 In 1973, FSV was full of Tui BH3s, run by Roos, Philips, Dave McMillan, Van Beuren, Tom Reddy, Dick Cooney, Bert Everett, Jack Rabold, Eyerley (again just a single guest drive), John Benton, Bill Collins and John Morrison with Steve Griswold (yes, him!) in a Tui AM29. Sorry John, I was transcribing so quickly I failed to make the connection.
Was your BH3 rented from Opert or had you brought it from Europe?
Allen
Yes Hi Allan, we took our own BH3 cars from Europe but left them with Opert.
Supernova 15 May 2005, 22:54 I have just dug out some press releases which detail the then current standings in the 1974 VW Gold Cup Championship. I have confirmed that Hurley Haywood did in fact drive the Zeitler Racing Tui BH3. Bror Jaktlund drove the Opert Racing BH3. Peter Moody in the Import restorations Tui (no model specified). Bill Alsup in Zeitler Tui. Tom Reddy in Zeitler Tui. Michael Jordain in Opert Tui. Ed Mulford, Scott Pembroke and Ron Light also listed as Tui drivers.
I realize this is an old post but I just stumbled across it. I have a BH3, chassis number 14. My progress on its restoration has been a little slow but is moving forward. Based on the SCCA logbook, the car first ran in the US at Laguna Seca in 1973. It also ran at Riverside in 1973. In 1974, it was run as a Fred Opert car with Chris Gleason driving it for the first half or so of the season. It appears that some others ran it as a rental in the latter part of 1974. In 1974, the car was light blue with a white nose and ran number 72. I wonder if this was one of the cars brought over from the UK by John Morrison. Does anyone have an idea of how to determine if that is the case? I don't know who ran the car at the two 1973 races but would be interested in knowing.
I have full results from the first 11 Gold Cup races in 1974. These show all of the drivers, sponsors, qualifying positions and finishing positions. The car number is also listed in the results for the IMSA-sponsored races. It also gives the pole time, etc. It's too much to post here but if there are questions about specific drivers or sponsors, I'll post what I can.
Bryan Fritzler
allenbrown 19 Feb 2006, 17:26 Hi Bryan
Thanks for your details on your Tui BH3.
The only Tui BH3s that I know for sure at Laguna Seca were Roos, McMillan, Van Beuren, Tom Reddy, Dick Cooney, Bert Everett, John Benton and John Morrison but I only know the points scorers so there may have been others. All except Everett and Morrison had run in earlier races.
Any chance I could get a copy of those 1974 Gold Cup results? We (OldRacingCars.com (http://www.oldracingcars.com/)) are documenting F5000 and Formula Atlantic at the moment but trying to include some information on FSV in the mid-1970s. Those results would be very useful.
Thanks
Allen
I only have the results on paper. I'll see if I can find a way to get them scanned. They're 8 1/2" x 14" and I don't have a scanner that can take that size. I'll see what I can do.
It looks like telling which model Tui is which from the results is risky. Although the Tuis were listed as Tui BH3s in the results I've seen for 1973, my car is listed as a Supernova Tui in all the results from 1974. Yet it was built in 1973, ran Gold Cup in 1973 and the number plate shows "FSV-73-BH" - which I believe makes it a BH3. I guess history requires some detective work.
Bryan
allenbrown 20 Feb 2006, 15:11 Hi Bryan
8 1/2" x 14" is the US 'Legal' size. It was pretty common in the 1970s.
The 8 1/2" width is standard so could you scan it in two parts and I'll stitch it back together in Photoshop?
Allen
I reduced the sheets to 8 1/2 x 11 and then scanned them. I'm sending them to your address from your website. Let me know if they make it through.
Also, it turns out I only have 10 races. Somehow the Charlotte race is missing.
Bryan
allenbrown 21 Feb 2006, 10:59 Hi Bryan
Yes, I received all of those. Many thanks.
Allen
Howard Wood 23 Feb 2006, 09:05 Allan McCall also ran Tom Gloy in a BH2 for the first year of Formula Atlantic in New Zealand,January 1977.
The car was a front runner, winning at Wigram and probably finishing second overall in the series behind Rosberg in Fred Opert's Chevron which was much more of a big budget operation.
I dont believe the car remained in NZ after the series,possibly David McKinney
has more information on Chassis no and history.
David McKinney 23 Feb 2006, 10:41 BH2/3 I think (from memory) - the 1976 works North American Atlantic car
It did stay in NZ after the 1977 Peter Stuyvesant series, and was driven by David Oxton in a Manfeild National, before he took it back to North America for the Canadian series
Chris Townsend 23 Feb 2006, 11:07 Fred Greenfield has two [both] the F.Atlantic Tuis in the USA series in 1978.
One is raced, but he advertises two cars at the end of the season. Presume
one of these to be BH2/3 [That suggests 3 Atlantic Tuis built] Only one appears
at any one time before 1976 season in USA.
Time to go and look at the history!
allenbrown 23 Feb 2006, 11:10 Could BH2/1 have been the original F2 car wrecked in Hawthorne's accident and BH2/2 and BH2/3 the later (well-used) Atlantic cars?
Allen
David McKinney 23 Feb 2006, 13:22 ISTR that Fred Greenfield bought both works cars from Alan McCall before the 1978 season
Chris Townsend 24 Feb 2006, 11:08 Further to David's point about Greenfield buying both pre 1978 season
Greenfield advertises two Tuis in Formula at the end of the 1978 season.
Appears at Long Beach with one of these cars.
BUT. Greenfield also appears with a Tui at the second IMSA Atlantic round
in 1976 [Laguna Seca]. Does this mean he acquired one of the 1975 cars
at that point [BH2/2?] and then went back for another one in late 1977? Or
was this a one off drive in a McCall car?
We still have much to learn about the Players' series of 1976 where there
were sometimes huge entries and people we've never heard of before were
running in qualifiers. It may be that Greenfield ran more pro races in 76 with
a Tui but the detail of that is currently below the radar.
Also, there are two Atlantic Tuis in existence from 1973 British GP. Murdoch appears
in his regular "BH2" which is often described in the press, from its first Atlantic appearance in late summer 72 as the ex John Watson car. Alongside him is "BH3"
as it is described, driven by one Tom Walkinshaw and described in press as 'brand new'. However, the next time the cars appear together is 1975 when McCall fields
Nicholson and Lunger in the Canadian series.
Chris
Chris Townsend 26 Feb 2006, 11:38 Now it gets really confusing. There seem to be two F2/Atlantic cars in 1972 after Hawthorne’s accident!
I’d always thought that Murdoch’s 1972 Atlantic car was the same as used by Watson and Dave Morgan in F2 that season. But… There are two occasions [Imola 22.7.72 and Hockenheim 30.9.72] when the car would be simultaneously practising for F2 and racing in Atlantic as Murdoch appears at Oulton Park races on both those dates.
So what is this extra car?
At the start of the season Bert Hawthorne is entered in Atlantic races in a “Leda 2E”, though the car doesn’t appear. I don’t think this is the same as the “Leda-Tui AM29” in which Hawthorne is killed at Hockenheim in April.
It might however be the basis for the first replacement car driven by Watson in F2 at Crystal Palace and Hockenheim [June 11] with the plate given by F1R as “Leda Tui AM29-BH2”. At Rouen June 25 Watson appears with a car bearing a different plate [BH2-2]. Does this mean that Watson now has a new car, with the old one being handed over to Murdoch – and explaining why his car in 1973 is described as ex Watson F2?
Or, does Watson just have one car and Murdoch the original Leda 2E?
If so, in what way is Murdoch’s 1973 car ‘ex Watson’?
If this is the case, what happens to Watson’s BH2 [2] because that chassis number crops up again in 1976 on Elliott Forbes-Robinson’s McCall entered car.
Chris
David McKinney 26 Feb 2006, 21:53 There might be a clue in the fact that "Tui" and "2E" are pronounced the same...
allenbrown 6 Mar 2006, 10:20 I've received an email indirectly from Allan McCall which says the original Tui was converted to Atlantic with a Hart BDA and was the car then loaned to Jim Murdoch, an old friend from NZ.
So it would appear that the Hawthorne F/Atl non-appearing "Leda 2E" was an intention to run the original Tui as an Atlantic and then Murdoch's appearances from late summer 1972 onwards are also the original Tui. So not ex-Watson at all.
The original Tui then headed off to Switzerland less engine in 1974 for a hill climb project that never happened.
Allen
allenbrown 20 Aug 2006, 21:25 Things you find when you're looking for something else, part 214 in a series:
Autosport 2 Nov 1989 p86: "Race of my Life" with Allan McCall recalling Tom Gloy's win in the 1977 Lady Wigram Trophy. It includes this:
"This was with the Tui, one of the Formula 2 cars which I converted to Formula Atlantic spec. There were four of them originally, but one was written off when Bert Hawthorne crashed and was killed at Hockenheim back in '72. One of the cars was kept as spare parts, which I never assembled, and one we ran for John Watson in F2. The car we took to New Zealand was the second car, which we never raced in Europe".
Interesting that Watson's car was not the second car. I wish someone the best of luck making sense of that. I'm sure there's sense in there, but it doesn't immediately leap out at me.
martyn donn 17 Sep 2006, 20:02 Hello everyone, my name is Martyn Donn from the UK. I have aquired a 1973 Supernova BH3 from Mark Lawton. It has the SCCA stamp on the roll bar 33 555. It is one of the 2 cars shipped over in 1973 to support the the Can Am races at Laguna and Riverside that year. John Morrison drove the other car and we believe that this car was driven by Toby St John Matthews. It originally ran in the works colours which we believe was white. The car is complete and we are currently rebuilding the engine to original spec and intend to run it in various championship races next year (2007) here in England and Northern Europe. We would like to put the car back into its orginal colours but cant find any photographs which seems a bit strange. If anyone has a long memory and remembers this car and by some chance knows of any photographs from 1973 we would be extremely gratefull to hear from you along with any more information we can source on the car etc.
cheers all
Andrew Fellowes 19 Jan 2007, 05:02 I am well outside my comfort zone here but I've just found this that may or may not be of interest.
Powerside Dezember 1974 p.42
Tui Formel-2-Rennenwagen
1972/3 ex-John-Watson
rollendes Chassis mit viel Zubehor. Preisbasis sFr 23 000.-
Telefon 064/41 19 20
It was actually Toby St. George Matthews. I may have one or two photos of the car but while the basic colour scheme was white, Toby elected to run a huge 'traveler’s sun' on the nose of the car, a very large intricate design that came from a guy that did travelers caravans ...
One of the races we supported was the first round of the IROC series where they used those fantastic RSR Porsches. I maybe repeating myself here but I was walking the circuit just previous to the Riverside race as Donohue was setting each of the 12 race cars up for Penske.
After the championship winning Silver Cup UK series, the two SVees were flown out to LA for the final two rounds of the US Gold Cup series. Good money to be earnt as IIRC. I had to put them together under the wing of the plane that took them over LA International, get all the kit into a hire van and borrow a trailer to get to Riverside and Laguna Seca the week afterwards. Fred Opert broke the back of the trip and a very memorable adventure it was. Can't quite recall the results; 10th I think at Riverside for me, and better maybe 8th at Laguna. Toby didn't have such a good trip; no misdemeanors don't recall his placing. Will look for results again.
allenbrown 23 Jan 2007, 10:37 The original Tui then headed off to Switzerland less engine in 1974 for a hill climb project that never happened.
I am well outside my comfort zone here but I've just found this that may or may not be of interest.
Powerside Dezember 1974 p.42
Tui Formel-2-Rennenwagen
1972/3 ex-John-Watson
rollendes Chassis mit viel Zubehor. Preisbasis sFr 23 000.-
Telefon 064/41 19 20Nice one Andrew! Interesting they call it ex-Watson when Allan McCall advised that it was the original ex-Hawthorne/Murdoch car. Then again, it was said to be ex-Watson when Murdoch had it so maybe there is a Watson race in this car's past that we haven't found yet.
Allen
PS Google doesn't translate Zubehor but my English-German dictionary says it means accessories. So rolling chassis with many spares.
Andrew Fellowes 28 Mar 2007, 05:45 Sport Auto No.127 August 1972
John Watson in Tui BH 2/2 at Rouen. 5th place 55'01"6
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5021/img085uc8.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img085uc8.jpg)
Chris Townsend 15 May 2007, 14:12 I think that I have worked out the saga of the 1972 Tuis in F2 and Atlantic
According to MN 27.7.72 p.18 Murdoch used the original Hawthorne FB car AM29 from 1971 in UK Atlantic in 1972. Watson is using the BH2 with an additional car completed but not yet built up.
So in 1972 McCall has
AM29 1971 car for Atlantic, loaned to Murdoch in late June, having first been used by Watson in F2 until the new car is built up [at least at Crystal Palace].
"BH1" retrospective appelation for the car in which Hawthorne is killed at Hockenheim
BH2 [later BH2-2] Watson's 'proper' F2 car
BH3 [later BH2-3] parts car
In 1973
the AM29 car sits in the garage and is eventually sold off to Switzerland
BH2-2 becomes Murdoch's Atlantic car [all the descriptions of it as ex Watson are in 1973]
BH3 [later BH2-3] appears as a brand new car for Tom Walkinshaw at the British GP support race
BH2-3 and BH2-3 are then taken to Canada 1975, with EFR using chassis 2 in 1976 and Gloy chassis 3
Chris
allenbrown 23 May 2007, 15:55 Good work Chris, this looks very solid.
Where does the 1970 F3 car fit in. Is that the same car as the 1971 FB car?
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