The Track!

Can we make a track from all the best corners?

I will start with one we will all like.

Spa - Eau Rouge

(whats the last blind chincane a Magny cours?)

I think "the Corksrew" (laguna Seca) and the "Craner Curve" (Donigton) are a must for the track.

Can we make a track from all the best corners?

(whats the last blind chincane a Magny cours?)

It is called Imola. A very nice chicane indeed.

The thing is we'd end up with a lot of corners from a few tracks. Scharfer Kopf, Klostertal - Karussell - Hohe Acht, Schwalbenschwanz - Galgenkopf (all Nurburgring); La Source, Eau Rouge - Radillon, the old Les Combes, Masta Kink (all Spa); turns 1-2, the Corkscrew (both Laguna Seca); Maggotts - Becketts - Chapel (current version), Bridge (both Silverstone); Parabolica, Lesmo (before safety wrecked it) (both Monza); both hairpins and the curves leading into them at Montreal; Six Frères - Nouveau Monde, Grésil (the 1960s version) (both Rouen); Quarry, Wohlenstrasse (both Bremgarten); Acque Minerale (without the chicane), Piratella, Villeneuve (without the chicane) - Tosa, Rivazza (all Imola). This isn't to say, of course, that there aren't tracks with one great corner (although often these go un-noticed if the rest of the track is dire). Such one-offs include the Nordkurve (AVUS), the final curve at the Norisring (mainly because the straight is so wide), Members' Banking (Brooklands), Boschkurve (Oesterreichring), Tarzan (Zandvoort), Jukskei Sweep (Kyalami).

Then there's the small problem that if you put all that together, you'd probably end up with something horrendous like the Hungaroring or Magny Cours.

1 corner per track then.

I would agree on the cork screw, crazy corner!

No attempt whatsoever to be accurate here, but here's my go...

P thats a really good track !!
I like the corners you have used !!
Here is what I'd like !!
It is hand drawn "http://wooshy.m33p.be/gallery/wooshy/track" (copy and paste it into your Internet browser any trouble Pm me and ill send it anyone :) )
incase you can't read my bad handwriting the corners I have used are :-
Oustkurve - Hockenhiem (before chicane)
Eau Rouge - Spa
La Carriere - Clermont Ferrand
Karussell - Nordschleife
The Esses/The Dipper - Mount Panorama
The ninety - Watkins Glen
Bottom S/Top S - Shelsley Walsh
Indianapolis/ Arnage - Le Mans
Bridge - Silverstone
130R - Suzuka

It's funny how everybody comes to the same conclusions and ideas sometimes. Now, i, amongst others, have been around in this corner almost since the beginning, and i've found, that every once in a while this topic comes up :).

I don't really believe in the possibility of doing that, bearing in mind that many of the greatest corners are great, mostly because of the terrain, and the corners preceding and following them. But after all, this is FANTASY tracks :). So FWIW, that's a pretty sweet track there, P :).

Didn't the French have that exact thing in mind when designing Magny-Cours? Now look at how that turned out...

I don't really believe in the possibility of doing that, bearing in mind that many of the greatest corners are great, mostly because of the terrain, and the corners preceding and following them.

Of course those are factors, but some corners would be great regardless. Take, for instance, Scharfer Kopf on the old Nürburgring Südschliefe. Even if that corner were transported to a flat-as-a-pancake English airfield, it would still be great. (As an interesting aside, why oh why wasn't the Südschliefe used more? It had some of the best corners on the entire 'ring, and was a more suitable length for modern motor racing...).

There are corners that work well pretty much totally on the flat - the Maggotts-Becketts-Chapel combo at the current Silverstone and Montréal's Island Hairpin are almost completely level and still make for good challenging fun (although I do sometimes wonder if making M-B-C slightly banked would make it even better).

Gradients are probably best considered as corners in the third dimension. As such, they can be great in themselves, or great in combination with the other two dimensions. Eau Rouge (Spa), the Corkscrew (Laguna Seca), and the Quarry (Bremgarten) are probably the best examples of three-dimensional corners in practice. (Another aside: why did the Swiss have to go and ban motor-racing, depriving us of Bremgarten?)

As for other corners being close enough to affect the greatness of the corner in question, clearly what is being considered is a corner-complex. Karussell on the Nürburgring Nordschliefe works particularly well because of the particular right-handers before and after it. If transplanted in a fantasy track, they should be taken as a unit.

Of course, not only corners should be considered as features in a corner-complex. Imagine Signes (Le Castellet) at some boring modern circuit with no real straights. You simply wouldn't think anything of it. Signes only becomes particularly fun because the Mistral Straight leading into it is so long.

Indeed, I would argue that straights can be great in themselves. The slightly curved straights at Hockenheim before Herr Tilke wrecked it were always admired. And although no-one likes why the amazing wide start/finish straight at the Norisring was created, it is still the highlight of that track.

Didn't the French have that exact thing in mind when designing Magny-Cours? Now look at how that turned out...

Magny-Cours is a circuit of two halves. I like the half from the start to the Adelaide Hairpin. I don't like the rest of it. Maybe I should do an edit :)

This is a cool track

1.Tarzan (Zandvoort)
2.Eau Rouge (Spa) OF COURSE!
3.The Corkscrew (Laguna Seca) OF COURSE!
4.130 R (Suzuka)
5.Parabolica (Monza)
6.Acque Minerale (Imola)
7.Turn 12/13 (Road Atlanta)
8.The Ninety (Watkins Glen)
9.Turn 8 (Istanbul)

Magny-Cours is a circuit of two halves. I like the half from the start to the Adelaide Hairpin. I don't like the rest of it. Maybe I should do an edit :)

Yo Jam i disagree yes magny-cours boring to watch but in the f1 games its so fun to drive on except its needs a high speed corner

It's got a high speed corner. Estoril's fast and there's two flat out chicanes.

1 corner per track then.

I would agree on the cork screw, crazy corner!

Yo richard wot is your top 15 favourite corners

Here is a mixed track , which consists of 9 F1 tracks.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7666/mixedcircuitta2.th.gif (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mixedcircuitta2.gif)

I posted it , even though it's not a track from best corners.Although it has some good corners.

I'm guessing that this would be pretty long then.

Here is a mixed track , which consists of 9 F1 tracks.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7666/mixedcircuitta2.th.gif (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mixedcircuitta2.gif)

I posted it , even though it's not a track from best corners.Although it has some good corners.

yo man wot are the corners on the track you've posted man i can't read dat

Click the thumbnail, it'll open it up to show it full size. :)

yo man wot are the corners on the track you've posted man i can't read dat

The first section is from Hungaroring.Then is the the Remus Kurve from A1-ring.Then La Caixa from Circuit da Catalunya.7th , 8th curve from Istanbul.Parabolica from Monza.Next turn isn't taken from real tracks.Then comes the Esses section to Degner from Suzuka.After that Last curve from Sakhir.Then the straights from Istanbul.S do Senna from Interlagos and oval turn from Indianapolis.

@pirenzo: Your track has a very nice blot shape. Turning right into Lesmo 1 at the end of Kemmel straight would be quite an experience, I think.
I'm not so sure on the combination from The Mountain towards Karrussell, though. That's where the one thing that they tried to do at Magny-Cours comes to mind, since the two are both slow corners.

@Mike_Wooshy: Unfortunately, your track remains invisible when accessing the link you posted.

Hang on, I believe that there was a similar article about a 'fantasy track' in the F1 Racing magazine, which was updated in the 'Best of which came with is (the mini mag with Bernie giving the middle finger). I'll post the image (created by Tilke) tomorrow.

If you make a track with the worlds best corners, what would the corners be. Give me your oponions on what they would be. Try and use a number of 17 to 25 corners and also try and use a minimum of 3 corners per real racing circuit.
Good Luck

It's being done already, go here...

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71334

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