rdjones 20 Jan 2006, 20:50 Well the WRC got underway in Monte Carlo today and the top 10 looks like this:-
Positions after stage 6:
1 M Gronholm Ford 1:09:30.8
2 C Atkinson Subaru 1:10:54.5
3 T Gardemeister Peugeot 1:10:57.9
4 G Panizzi Skoda 1:11:05.4
5 M Stohl Peugeot 1:11:09.9
6 F Duval Skoda 1:11:36.3
7 S Sarrazin Subaru 1:12:17.6
8 S Loeb Citroen 1:13:14.4
9 D Sordo Citroen 1:13:28.2
10 M Hirvonen Ford 1:13:29.6
Matt Wilson is down in 25th place, Petter Solberg retired on the after the final stage of the day when an oil leak badly damaged his Subaru's engine.
The STIG 20 Jan 2006, 22:03 Any idea why stage 3 was cancelled?
rdjones 20 Jan 2006, 22:05 Something to do with traffic problems.
The STIG 20 Jan 2006, 22:08 ooo dear... that's one of the awkward things about rallying I suppose.
Good to see Eamonn Boland doing well, 16th apparently :) also you can follow young Gareth McHales Progress at http://www.garethmachale.com/latestnews.html
mabs_nsx 21 Jan 2006, 01:08 Aussie driver Chris Atkinson is second in the Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo after stage 6 (Day 1) :) :cool:
shambles 21 Jan 2006, 01:14 Gardemeister is doing well in third, Loeb crashed out on Stage 6 - throwing away a lead of over a minute.
ozrevhead 21 Jan 2006, 10:02 Aussie driver Chris Atkinson is second in the Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo after stage 6 (Day 1) :) :cool:
nice :gogirl:
where can i see WRC stages live on the net (either timing or live footage) :Shrug:
rdjones 21 Jan 2006, 10:58 8 Stages gone now and Leob has been fastest on both of this morning's stages:-
The current top 8 is
1 M Gronholm Ford 1:41:23.1
2 T Gardemeister Peugeot 1:42:57.6
3 M Stohl Peugeot 1:43:14.2
4 C Atkinson Subaru 1:43.19.6
5 F Duval Skoda 1:43:32.3
6 G Panizzi Skoda 1:43:46.4
7 S Sarrazin Subaru 1:44:17.3
8 S Loeb Citroen 1:44:46.0
Full results can be found at www.wrc.com
The STIG 21 Jan 2006, 14:13 nice :gogirl:
where can i see WRC stages live on the net (either timing or live footage) :Shrug:
www.wrc.com
or click this link for WRC radio
http://mfile.akamai.com/13590/live/reflector:39499.asx?bkup=39500
The STIG 21 Jan 2006, 14:13 Stage 11 has been cancelled. probably due to overcrowding/traffic problems.
ozrevhead 21 Jan 2006, 14:46 www.wrc.com
or click this link for WRC radio
http://mfile.akamai.com/13590/live/reflector:39499.asx?bkup=39500
thanx
when does the next stage start
The STIG 21 Jan 2006, 14:53 thanx
when does the next stage start
Stage 10 is on now. but I don't know when stage 12 is going to start
chears im listening to wrc radio now :rofl: i want a subaru cookie :rofl:
Never was a fan of Gronholm but it's nice to see someone else lead rather than Loeb.
rdjones 21 Jan 2006, 18:43 Well Day 2 is over and the top 10 looks like this:-
1 M. GRÖNHOLM FORD 2:36:10.2
2 T. GARDEMEISTER PEUGEOT 2:38:16.1
3 M. STOHL PEUGEOT 2:38:19.0
4 S. LOEB CITROEN 2:38:51.8
5 S. SARRAZIN SUBARU 2:39:13.6
6 C. ATKINSON SUBARU 2:40:53.0
7 D. SORDO CITROEN 2:41:11.8
8 G. PANIZZI SKODA 2:41:30.2
9 M. HIRVONEN FORD 2:41:37.5
10 X. PONS CITROEN 2:42:33.1
Matt Wilson is 14th, Gareth MacHale is 17th, Emmon Boland is 21st and Austin MacHale is 22nd
Dani Filth 21 Jan 2006, 19:09 Loeb has a good chance of finishing second . bad luck for him . another stage was cancelled ..
rdjones 22 Jan 2006, 18:29 Well the final top 10 looks like this:-
1 M. GRÖNHOLM 4:11:43.9
2 S. LOEB 4:12:45.7
3 T. GARDEMEISTER 4:13:07.0
4 M. STOHL 4:13:26.2
5 S. SARRAZIN 4:15:04.1
6 C. ATKINSON 4:16:46.3
7 M. HIRVONEN 4:18:03.4
8 D. SORDO 4:18:59.1
9 X. PONS 4:19:26.8
10 G. PANIZZI 4:20:53.7
Matt Wilson was 15th. Oh yeah super rally rules suck - how can Loeb who crashed out on Stage 8 re-start on Day 2 end up 2nd that is wrong IMO.
Alwaysfirst 22 Jan 2006, 18:34 It does seem stupid to think that you can crash & still have a chance of winning the thing-I know that would take a great drive, as Loeb's was, but it isn't the point. In any other form of motorsport if you crash & wreck you car too much to finnish that stage you are out. While this result proves how good Loeb is it hasn't rewarded drivers like Gardemeister, who didn't make any major mistakes.
BertMk2 22 Jan 2006, 18:48 Super rally is so so wrong :(
That top ten is radilcally different from last season isn't it? So many of the familiar names missing. Good start for Gronholm though.
shambles 22 Jan 2006, 19:02 Did anyone else thing ITV's coverage was even worse than usual?
ss_collins 22 Jan 2006, 19:11 It was DIRE! that woman needs sacking
Matthopps 22 Jan 2006, 19:21 All she seemed to do was do as much as possible to try and glorify Loeb whilst trying as much as possible not to mention everyone else, especially the Subarus.
touringlegend 22 Jan 2006, 19:28 I think ITV are just taking the actual WRC coverage altogether now instead of having their own team ?
Well done Gronholm and Ford, thought but as I've thought Loeb is still going to be a huge challenger this year.
safc_fan89 22 Jan 2006, 19:33 Did anyone else thing ITV's coverage was even worse than usual?
Yep. I was hoping they might expand on each stage more. Stupid of me to think that really!
safc_fan89 22 Jan 2006, 19:34 Well done to Marcus Gronholm though, a good win. Well done to Sebastian Loeb as well. Second even after a 5 minute time penalty is quite special.
shambles 22 Jan 2006, 20:08 Yeah top draw from Loeb. I want to see how he fares up against Grondholm, when Marcus is driving in conditions he revels in, although i'd tip Loeb for the title. An astounding drive.
I think Matty Wilson had a good rally as well, 15th on his debut - not bad.
one word for the itv coverge :censored: :banghead: how bad was that ..could they have not got old robbie to voice over or some one who can do better than that ,
i surpose if leob had not crashed that would of put him 6 mins in front of gronholm to win !!!
once out you should stay out .
chunder 22 Jan 2006, 21:13 It was the same coverage blanket to be honest, same bloody bird on Men and Motors! Trying to over dramatise a sport that doesnt need it.
Think Superally rules are only there becuse otherwise there might be occasions when there are only a few cars left running.
Is better for the speccies, and Loeb is a special case in Monte, not many would have been able to get back that much of a penalty (maybe should be a higher pen)
shambles 22 Jan 2006, 21:35 Did anybody think that the actual rally seemed a bit morbid, a bit eerie. A bit. Bland?
redshoes 22 Jan 2006, 22:15 I thought it was duller than normal but put it down to the female voiceover. She seemed to be just reading a script with no enthusiasm, almost as if she neither knew nor cared what was going on. I've heard the shipping forecast delivered with more passion.
And what the deal with virual spectator. Yes it's a very clever system but did they have to use it all the time. If you have to combine VS with on-board footage at least put VS in the smaller picture and let us see the real footage fullscreen, not the other way round. If I want to see computer generated rallying I'll buy an X-box.
safc_fan89 22 Jan 2006, 22:19 Dunno, but the ITV coverage did little to make me want to watch every round this season. If the highlights are poor, you don't get a good insight of what actually happened.
shambles 22 Jan 2006, 22:20 Agreed totally RS.
Who used to do it, Angus Scott and Robbie "Someone"? Do you think maybe they could still be on thier "holidays"?
The commentary reminded me of two things, low budget European sports shows - like "Transworld Sport" or "Gillette World Sport" and low budget Satellite TV show coverage, like Motors TV. But probably, worse.
rdjones 22 Jan 2006, 22:50 This year ITV arn't sending their own cameras & commentators to each round, mainly due to the lack of a front line driver from the UK being in the championship. So instead they will be using the coverage which is produced by ISC. But I do agree the coverage was poor and wish they would mention more than the top 10 cars.
shambles 22 Jan 2006, 23:22 Thanks for that info rd, very interesting. Such a shame really.
The Sweeper 22 Jan 2006, 23:44 well that is me finished with following WRC. When a driver can crash out and not finish the stage yet still end up coming second partly due to great driving but mainly due to stupid rules saying you can continue and still get points. That just seems to undermine the whole idea of the competition. WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO RUIN THE SPORT?
Did anyone else thing ITV's coverage was even worse than usual?
missed the woman....by that point was asleep on sofa! bit i saw was alright though, shame i fell asleep really....
well that is me finished with following WRC. When a driver can crash out and not finish the stage yet still end up coming second partly due to great driving but mainly due to stupid rules saying you can continue and still get points. That just seems to undermine the whole idea of the competition. WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO RUIN THE SPORT?
you really think that's not right? yes he crashed out and didn't finish the stage and lost a great lead, but i think it's a testament to his driving that he managed to claw back time, finish second and still score points.
redshoes 23 Jan 2006, 00:13 Think Superally rules are only there becuse otherwise there might be occasions when there are only a few cars left running.
Is better for the speccies, and Loeb is a special case in Monte, not many would have been able to get back that much of a penalty (maybe should be a higher pen)
Well said. I can undertand the reason for allowing cars back in, although I don't necessarily agree with it. The 5 min penalty doesn't seem enough, especially when the top 10 were only covered 10 mins. Drivers have been known to lose more than that with a simple puncture.
Are we going to see a situation where a driver with any sort of mechanical problem on day one will 'retire' rather than press on simply because he'll lose less time?
Roundy Mooney 23 Jan 2006, 09:01 Should be behind last car in class plus maximum lateness at least. Which on most events would be 15 to 20 mins.
safc_fan89 23 Jan 2006, 09:47 you really think that's not right? yes he crashed out and didn't finish the stage and lost a great lead, but i think it's a testament to his driving that he managed to claw back time, finish second and still score points.
Only a select few rally drivers could recover like that. But what if someone crashes 'out' twice. Are they still allowed back in?
GTRMagic 23 Jan 2006, 10:08 Loeb is still pretty damned good to get a 5 minute penalty down to a minute and a bit... yes Gronholm wasnt flat chat for the last day, but it was still a magic effort
Citroen will win this season.... for sure :D
ss_collins 23 Jan 2006, 11:18 S4C Ralio in Welsh with English subbies
Only a select few rally drivers could recover like that. But what if someone crashes 'out' twice. Are they still allowed back in?
yes - only a select few are capable of doing that, so i think it's testament to their driving....if someone crashes out twice you won't see them up in second, i don't think somehow.
safc_fan89 23 Jan 2006, 17:06 No, but if a rally driver crashes out twice, they don't really deserve to still be in the rally. I don't think that if they crash at all they should be allowed back in, but that's the rule so...
crashing out twice is not the quickest way to complete a stage! but if they do crash out twice, does it matter if they come back? reality is they ain't gonna be that high up the finishing order....
safc_fan89 23 Jan 2006, 22:32 Not high up the order, but someone of Loeb's ability would probably be able to get a point or two. But if it's the same rule for everyone, then it's fine.
exactly - "someone of Loeb's ability" - not exactly many (if any) of those around....
well that is me finished with following WRC. When a driver can crash out and not finish the stage yet still end up coming second partly due to great driving but mainly due to stupid rules saying you can continue and still get points. That just seems to undermine the whole idea of the competition. WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO RUIN THE SPORT?
Totally agree Sweeper - makes the whole thing a farce - - what was the old saying - "To win - first you have to finish" well if he didnt finish a stage then he should be out
Yes let them run to keep the crowd entertained but surely not for points!!! - If they want to play that game - lets have the Grand Prix lads having a spare car ready to jump into mid race (I am joking)
But if they didn't have a chance of scoring points by rejoining, then they most likely wouldn't rejoin, bad for spectators.
I'm yet to see the highlights show....The woman last year wasn't that great either, possibly the same one, but as I said, I havn't seen the show yet, the Virtual Spectator can get pretty irritating too.
Having less cars isn't the end of the world anyway, 1997 only had 3 factory teams.
The Sweeper 24 Jan 2006, 23:23 [QUOTE=gtr69]But if they didn't have a chance of scoring points by rejoining, then they most likely wouldn't rejoin, bad for spectators.
Chances are that they would rejoin. they did last year. It gives the teams vital information via telemetry ect for next year and simmilar events.
At least if ther are going to let them rejoin for points and I still disagree with it make the penalty a "penalty". Leob is a pro and a bloody good driver, if the penalty was such that he had a chance of getting a point he would go for it.
Like 924nut says "to finish first, first you have to finish". With these kind of rules being implemented it just like playing my playstation.........ooops crashed.......press restart.
ss_collins 24 Jan 2006, 23:32 Trophy rallies are good for clubmen
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