March 802

I thought I'd start this thread to see what we can gather about March 802s.

The Lawrence March book 25 were built and, according to the F1 Register book, chassis 4, 5, 6, 7, 12-18, 20 and 22 appeared in Europe:

At Thruxton in April, again according to the F1R, allocations were:

802-4 works/spare
802-5 works/Fabi
802-6 works/Thackwell
802-7 works/Winkelhock
802-13 Project 4/spare
802-14 Lisa Racing/Devaney
802-15 Fredy Schnarwiler
802-16 Project 4/de Cesaris
802-17 Project 4/Serra
802-18 Project 4/spare
802-22 Kim Mather

Later sightings are 802-12 (Jurg Leinhard) and 802-20 (Mike Earle/Cecotto).

Plenty reappear in 1981, again using the F1R book: 802-8, 12, 15, 17, 19, 20 and 22.

Bryan has found an ex-Can-Am March 802 in New Zealand which had been Jerry Molnar's "Invader" in 1983 and 1984. This is wearing a Chico Serra cockpit surround so will presumably turn out to be 802-13, 802-17 or 802-18 but what other 802s do we know about? There were several in hill climbs weren't there?

Allen

I tried googling.

I found one 802 on race-cars.com. It is 802-17, having been driven be de Cesaris in 1980 and then updated to 812 spec and raced by Paul Smith in the "British F2 Championship". It's now in Germany.

And 802-6 was auctioned by Brooks in June 1999.

Another is raced by Roland Perrin in historics.

Another is for sale at Jester Racing (ex "Freddie Worminger")

A couple went to South Africa for 1981 and Walter Lechner had one in Interserie in 1982. And Andy Barton had one at some point.

Allen

Allen,

Here is what the March records have on 802s :-

-1 Ron Dennis (later sold to Speedstar in Japan)
-2 Ron Dennis
-3 March Racing (works) Test Car (later sold to Le Mans Co., Japan)
-4 March Racing (works) Test Car (later lent to Le Mans Co., Japan)
-5 ICI Team (T. Fabi) (later sold to Le Mans Co., Japan)
-6 ICI Team (Thackwell) (later sold to Mr Jeff, DAW Supplies, South Africa)
-7 March racing (works) (Winkelhock) (later sold to Krottenberger, South Africa)
-8 Hotz (Studer)
-9 Le Mans Co., Japan
-10 Le Mans Co., Japan
-11 Hotz (Heini Mader)
-12 Hotz (Freddy Lienhard)
-13 Project Four Racing
-14 Hotz (Hotz)
-15 Hotz (Schnarwiler)
-16 Ron Dennis
-17 Ron Dennis (later bought back by March, updated to 812 spec & sold to Raven Accessories for Paul Smith)
-18 Ron Dennis
-19 Hotz
-20 Mike Earle Racing
-21 Le Mans Co., Japan
-22 Jack Kallay (Kim Mather)
-23 Le Mans Co., Japan
-24 Godfrey Crompton
-25 (no customer noted, but my notes say this was sold to Roy Lane)

Some more detail, including delivery dates, colours, if you need it.

There is another on race-car.com, well a tub and some other bits with 802M01 stamped on it.

Franz Konrad was still using at least one 802 in 1982 in the Euro F2 series. His team had two maybe three cars.

Roy Lane used an 802/812 in the 81 Hill climb series as well.

Werner Wenk and later Kurt Buess also used one in the Interserie between 83 & 86 given as chassis no 8 on the RSC site.

Adam, Rupert

Thanks guys. Adam, do the March record refer to a tub number 802M01? Was it the tub in 802-1?

It's interesting to see that only 15 802s remained in Europe in 1981: 802-2, 802-8, 802-11 to 802-20, 802-22, 802-24 and 802-25. If we can trace the UK cars (Smith, Mather, Crompton and Lane) as far as 1983 and spot some of the ex-Hotz cars still busy in F2 or Interserie, the options for the two Can-Am cars can be reduced significantly.

Allen

Allen

I had a look through the F1R 1981 records:

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-4 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006
802-18 Ron Dennis 1980
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981

Also in 1981, Bernd Brutschin had a second family 802, as did Franz Konrad. In 1982, just the pair of Franz Konrad cars appears regularly plus cars for Peter Sturtz and Hubert Striebig at the Nurburgring. Together with the Lechner car in Interserie and the other car that appeared later in Interserie, I think I can be fairly confident that the five ex-Hotz cars were kept busy into 1982.

So the contenders for Can-Am in 1982 are down to 802-2, 802-13, 802-16, 802-18, 802-20, 802-22 and maybe 802-24 and 802-25. Anyone know what happened to Roy Baker's car? Was that Barton's car?

Allen

Allen,

Tub 802M01 is shown as the tub for 802-3, the works test car sold to Le Mans.
BTW 802-4 was only lent to Le Mans in Japan. According to the records it was to race once, then be returned to March in the U.K. No note as to whether this actually happened.

Further bits from my notes :-

-8 was raced by Hotz in 1981
-15 to Brutschin 1981, Hopfer/Konrad 1982
-19 to Konrad 1982
-25 to Roger Philpott 1981 & 1982

Only two 802s ever made it into the British Sprint Championship:

802-24 with Godfrey Crompton in 1981 was the first. The second was .....

Roy Woodhouse in 1992. The car was fitted with a 3.9 tubocharged Rover V8. I have no details on chassis number unfortunately.

:doh:

Thanks Steve

Any idea what became of the Crompton car after 1981? I'd be confident that it stayed in the UK spritn/hill climb world but it would be good to know for sure.

I think 802-22 can also be eliminated as I found a a quote from Dan Rear (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=782233#post782233) saying Barton built that 802 into a Special GT.

So the likely Can-Am contenders in 1982 are down to 802-2, 802-4, 802-13, 802-16, 802-18, 802-20 and maybe 802-24. That's two works spares, four Project 4 cars and a highly unlikely hillclimb car.

Maybe time to check some adverts.

Allen

Thanks Steve

Any idea what became of the Crompton car after 1981? I'd be confident that it stayed in the UK spritn/hill climb world but it would be good to know for sure.
Allen

Don't know is the short and truthful answer. Judging by GC's contacts it may have headed into Europe. I can't recollect any other 802s off hand so I suppose it will a job for tomorrow to dig through the papaerwork!

:tumble:

Just found something interesting (http://www.horag-lista-racing.com/team.html). Hotz, Horag, Lista and Leinhard are all closely linked. Hotz and Leinhard formed the Horag-Lista team in the early 1970s so 802-8, 802-11, 802-12, 802-14, 802-15 and 802-19 are more closely connected than I realised. Two of these seem to split off into the Konrad team and another one or two vanish early (crashes?) but the Horag-March that ran in Interserie was all part of the same effort. "Horag" is simply Hotz Racing AG.

Allen

Allen,

I phoned the seller in N.Z. to obtain clarification on ch. plate , which is 802-13.

Owner is Warwick Mortimer , car apparently stored in a container for a very long time hence the rust and corrosion.

Bryan.

Thanks Bryan

I found little in the ads except one on 26 Feb 1981 from Project 4 advertising just two 802s. This was before Paul Smith's deal on 802-17 so I don't understand why they'd have had only two for sale.

Did find lots of depressingly complex stuff on Barton's Marches but I'll cover that elsewhere.

Allen

A question for Ian Hebblewhite I guess,
which of chassis 6 and 7 is the Dave Hart car in 1981 and which the van Rooyen?

Chris

Allen -22 went from Kallay/Kim to Roy Baker who used it not very often in 1981 F2 races only I think, as there was no Aurora that year, and I don't think he went out in any Libre. into 82 Andy Barton bought it, and raced it as an F2 in Northern Libre, replacing his ex-Hoffman (I think...) 782/79B. As Libre was dying by then, he later made it into his AC 3000ME GT car, using that into 83 and 84 ?? Not sure after that.

A question for Ian Hebblewhite I guess,
which of chassis 6 and 7 is the Dave Hart car in 1981 and which the van Rooyen?

ChrisD. A. W. Supplies was a Van Rooyen sponsor c1984.

Allen

Chris,
802-6,Van Rooyen,Charlton,Goddard....tub used to repair 802-7 mid '1984.
802-7,Hart,Scheckter,Taylor,Baker,Critchfield,Bryan,to the UK 1987.
Hope this helps,
Ian

Excellent! Thanks Ian.

Did a third 802 ever come out to South Africa? Or did 802-6 and 802-7 just work very hard?

Allen

Allen -22 went from Kallay/Kim to Roy Baker who used it not very often in 1981 F2 races only I think, as there was no Aurora that year, and I don't think he went out in any Libre. into 82 Andy Barton bought it, and raced it as an F2 in Northern Libre, replacing his ex-Hoffman (I think...) 782/79B. As Libre was dying by then, he later made it into his AC 3000ME GT car, using that into 83 and 84 ?? Not sure after that.

He sold the "AC" to Bill Paul who raced it throughout 1985 & 1986. Now I'm not sure about that...

Kim told me in 1980 that Kallay intended to put Geoff Lees in this car, -22, for some F2 races that year. Never happened though, in a v disappointing season for the car/driver, apparently it didn't work on the 'wooden' Aurora tyres...

There is one (1980 F2) for sale in New Zealand, as a roller, needing a resto, for NZ$45,000. Perhaps this is the one mentioned earlier. The seller says its ex Ron Dennis.

Yes, that will be the one. Identified above as 802-13.

Allen

Alan,
It is possible that a spare tub came out with 802-6 and 7,as both were purchased from works/semi works teams that would have had plenty of spares to sell on.However,there were only ever 2 complete running 802's at any time,ie a third was not built up from spares.
There were 2 822's,one new to Hekro (for Duxberry) and one used to Gunston(Scheckter).From 82 to 86 these cars are owned/driven by the usual suspects some of whom had the 802's,so there is plenty of room for programme errors!.
Cheers
Ian

Chris,
802-6,Van Rooyen,Charlton,Goddard....tub used to repair 802-7 mid '1984.
802-7,Hart,Scheckter,Taylor,Baker,Critchfield,Bryan,to the UK 1987.
Hope this helps,
Ian

Roy Woodhouse's 802 with the Turbocharged Rover V8 is quoted as being the ex-Ian Scheckter car. This would make it 802-7. The car was destroyed in a big shunt as I recall.

:)

Steve

This will interest you. Irvin Zwicker, who was chief crew on the Invaders that started this thread, told me today that:Ebby purchased both March 802's from an outfit in the U.K. who had obtained them from Ron Dennis. Both were used for hill climbs at the time. Ebby purchased them both in the late fall/early winter of 1981/1982. Any idea who this "outfit" could be? I can't see any 802s hill climbing in 1981 except the Crompton and Lane cars and we already know about them.

Allen

PS I forgot to mention that I'd found an advert for Crompton's 802 late 1982 so it can't be his car.

Steve

This will interest you. Irvin Zwicker, who was chief crew on the Invaders that started this thread, told me today that:Any idea who this "outfit" could be? I can't see any 802s hill climbing in 1981 except the Crompton and Lane cars and we already know about them.

Allen

PS I forgot to mention that I'd found an advert for Crompton's 802 late 1982 so it can't be his car.

I just wonder if Crompton bought all the 802s from Ron Dennis, kept one and sold the rest on? He was a bit of a wheeler dealer!

I just love it when this happens! Look what I found with the absolute minimum of effort:

http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/copyrighted/March802-DouglasGavin.jpg

Allen

So here's an update:

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-4 works 1980 - loaned to Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981 - Van Rooyen, Charlton, Goddard ... tub used to repair 802-7 mid '84.
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed).
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken 1982 - Lou Infante (Can-Am) 1982 - Jerry Molnar 1983-84 ... NZ 2006
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006
802-18 Ron Dennis 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken (Can-Am) 1982-83
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981 - Andy Barton 1982-1984 (as AC 3000ME GT car) - Bill Paul 1985-86
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981 - Roger Philpott 1981-82

Odd that 802-16 vanishes so early. French hillclimbs perhaps? Or a large crash in 1980 that I haven't spotted yet?

What varied lives these cars led: hillclimbs, Can-Am, South African F/Atlantic, Japanese F/Pacific, Interserie and even GTs.

Allen

So Dennis had 6 802s, blimey, I know he had de Crasheris that year, but thats a lot of cars !

Any thoughts on the likely origin of Gene Griesel's March 802 in ECAR Atlantic races in the US in 1985? It could be an 80A, but I'm surprised by the different description as there were other 80As running in that series, so identified.

chris

802-6 came back to Uk via Brannigan ( he brought back 2 832 cars as well form ZA 1 becamea GT car the other ran with mazda in libre then converted to F2 engine) hillclimbed in Uk then did 2 circuit races and sold to a road car trader in a part ex deal who then sold it to a racer who took the bmw for his sports car
chassis ended up in goodwood auction and bought by a non racer but he has fitted f2 bmw to the car

Andy Bartons 802 was the AC3000 Gt car sold to the hotelier then it went to Ron Cummins and not used since

Roy woodhouse car is 822 ian sheckter car from ZA
802-12 is in UK restored3 years ago and has empty engine gbox on it and been sold to a car owner ( may be on display in Brooklands museum? ) who had it for sale via Jester racing last year

the kiwi 802 is expensive for what it is needing full rebuild and with no real sereis to race these great cars in they are hard to justify owning ( i know a si have 1 as well ! )
UK HSCC cut off at 79 EEC F2 at 78 Oz have opened up to 85 and usa are really at 1980 cut off but do relax the rules for the odd entry to run

I've recently purchased the 802-3. I beleive it was living in Japan for the last 26 years. but I have no other history, although I beleive it was last driven by Hoshino. Does anyone have any more info on this car or photos. It would be highly appreciated.

Welcome to the site Nick!
We'll have plenty of photos after your first race!! :cool:

Nick,

From the March works records :-

802-3 March Racing (works) Prototype/Test Car
Sold to Le Mans Co. (March Japanese agent)
Delivered 19 Dec 1979
Colour Red/White
Monocoque No. 802 M1

Hope this helps.

I will get my man to find photos of Hoshino in the car
what livery is on the car now?
did u get it as a roller or with bimmer fitted

Driftwood,
That would be great to get a few photos. It came as a roller and we've looked but can't find a good BMW motor for a decent price so I'll put a BDG in it. If you have them in digitals you can send them to me at nickg@collisionplus.com. THis site is great, thanks everyone!

willask my man to find photos for u
putting BDG into car is sacrilege like sticking a chevy into a ferrari
They are all the same cost to buy run rebuild and maintain
The Bimmer is far better motor and it will drop straight into the car

When you go to fit the ford you will need to make new mounts brackets drill holes make new water oil lines rewire etc that will cost extra $$ and time
when you come to sell the car you will have a mongrel

These cars are not yet Hisoric but they should be -USA mono 70 and UK HSCC DBT are still stuck in the dark ages with cut off date at 1979 its been way too long at this and they should all move forward to 1985 like the Australians have done

Driftwood,
I agree with everything you said and was very concerned about the conversion and the mongrel moniker. But I have had no luck in finding a BMW engine. It seemed to me that there must be some of them around but it has not shown much promise. Suggestions? THanks for the guidance and any photos will be of great value to me.
Nick

802-16 Ron Dennis 1980

Odd that 802-16 vanishes so early. French hillclimbs perhaps? Or a large crash in 1980 that I haven't spotted yet?To satisfy my curiosity, I just scanned 1981 and 1982 French hillclimb results. No 802. Bernard Delage had a 812 in 1982, the old 792 was running way down the field and there were still a pair of 782s but no 802.

Checking the Black Books, F1R have it was the De Cesaris car, right up to his Misano win. So I'd guess it was actually wrecked by De C at some point and F1R have extrapolated.

Allen

when did de crasharis not write a car off?
there is a P4 march in NZ for sale at la la money
cant recall the number

my father has a can-am car that is believe to be a 802, it has no i.d. plate and is running a Mazda 13B rotary, we got the car from Japan in a bunch of crates and it used to be blue. the car currently resides in southern california and we know of one that is very simular in the pacific north west. Anyone have any idea of the history of this car? or perhaps the series it ran in?

I think we'll need a few more clues. Could you post some pictures? (or send them to me at allen@allenbrown.co.uk and I'll post them)

Pictures of the bodywork and of the bare chassis would be helpful.

I don't have any pictures of the old paint work handy right now, but this is how it currently looks. We run in in HSR West and Vara. From what I understand it was run in some series in Japan supposidly called The Kimono Series. Where the cars were fitted with Mazda Peripheal port race motors.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Number1DogDemon/SR-5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Number1DogDemon/SR-4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Number1DogDemon/SR-3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Number1DogDemon/marchtub10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Number1DogDemon/Marchtub1.jpg

That's a fine looking car. The bodywork is quite different to anything that I've seen in the US Can-Am series.

Quite a few 802s went to Japan. You need to find the tub number and then we can look that up in March records and find out which chassis it was. The problem is that I don't know where to find the tub number on a 802.

Anyone??

That's just the thing. The I.D. plates are missing for some odd reason. There is another car that is very much like this one, also an 802, in Washington. My father has spoken to the people over at March and it being an 802 is pretty much as far as we've narrowed it down to. What cars that went to Japan are totally unaccounted for? This car was sitting in Vallejo Califonia for several years before we bought it.

A March has two numbers, one on a chassis plate and one (tub number) stamped onto the tub. Although the chassis plate can be removed, the stamped number would have to be ground off and it is highly unusual for that to happen. So that tub number will still be on the car somewhere.

Until 1978 it was found underneath the rollover hoop but then the construction methods changed and I don't know where it is on an 802.

Also, bear in mind the numbers are different. March 802-3 was built on tub M802/1 for example. If you can find the tub number, we have to use March records to work backwards and find out the number that would have been on that missing chassis plate.

Four 802s went to Japan in 1980 and another three followed in 1981.

The car is a car that raced in the Grand champion series
they where F2 cars with mooncraft bodies
the fact that this now has mazda fitted may mean it later ran in another domestic series
I will end the fotos and info to my japanese race fan

It would be useful to know who bought the car from japan and took to usa a sthat may tie back i will warn u it is hard to get minor details form these guys unless u have exact names team names etc
They are not intereste din old race cars and info is hard to come by
If 1 man ha sanswers they willnot call a team or mechanic to ask if they do not know them
Very strict cultural thing- we are probably too informal hence these threads i doubt the japanese will have threads like this

In usa there was 1 can am 802 car
1 822 allegedly a 2nd 822 car but i think its not true then i recall
2 832 cars
am i correct allen?

In US Can-Am there were two or three 802s, one 812, one or two 822s, about 2 832s, etc, etc.

Were any of these cars sold to the US from new as 2-Litre CanAms, or imported after a season or 2 of F2 over here. I seem to recall about 1981 there was some talk of March and Toleman/Lola selling 'new' F2s as such to the States.

All the Marches were second hand as far as I've been able to tell. A Ralt RT1 was bought new by Cicale but even Trueman's "822" in 1982 was a 812.

u are not quite correct Mr Brown 1 822 was soldnew direct in 83 for can am
1 802 car is actually the march 77st car
maybe we need to create the exact true list

toleman did sell some ex f2 race cars to usa i beleive the tolemans rt2`s went
i dont think new lola (nee toleman) cars went

Does anyone know where the stampped number would be found on the tub because we've had this tub completely torn apart by one of the best shops in the western U.S. and they were unable to find any identifying marks. Is it possible that at some point the car was in a wreck that the section of the tub with the I.D. marks had to be replaced?

Does anyone know where the stampped number would be found on the tub because we've had this tub completely torn apart by one of the best shops in the western U.S. and they were unable to find any identifying marks. Is it possible that at some point the car was in a wreck that the section of the tub with the I.D. marks had to be replaced?

It is quiet likely that this might have happened. Especially if the tub number is somewhere round the front bulkhead.

:)

I googled.

There's a description here of where the tub number is found:

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/march/802m01/802m01ss.htm

I just checked all over the car and there are no identifying marks on it at all.

Another update, additions in red:

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981 ... 'Nickgoj' 2006
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980 - Unknown in 1981 - Norimasa Sakamoto (Japan) 1982 - Hitoshi Ogawa (Japan) 1983
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-4 works 1980 - loaned to Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981 - Van Rooyen, Charlton, Goddard ... tub used to repair 802-7 mid '84.
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed).
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken 1982 - Lou Infante (Can-Am) 1982 - Jerry Molnar 1983-84 ... NZ 2006
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980 (almost certainly written off by de Cesaris during the season)
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006
802-18 Ron Dennis 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken (Can-Am) 1982-83
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981 - Andy Barton 1982-1984 (as AC 3000ME GT car) - Bill Paul 1985-86 to Ron Cummins and retained?
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981 - Roger Philpott 1981-82

I have heard some info on teh project 4 802 cars going to usa to race in can am 802-13 & 18 Lunken etc
will sort out this later tonight

802-7 i think still around ( i thought he had 822 sheckter car)
802-6 info wrong -car raced in 93 94 was hillclimb sprint car that came back to Uk from ZA
sold in 1999 to a man who does not race

also the Japan cars could have raced in f2 or Grand Champion races with can am bodies

more info March 802/ 812 # 17 car with BDG sold last year? see info
This F2 car had the same monocoque and layout as the 792 but with chisel nose, front aerofoils, side radiators, and venturi sidepods though without sliding skirts. it was another superb customer car, one of the best Marches ever made, but in the Championship it was beaten by the well-funded Toleman-Hart team. March still took three victories and Teo Fabi was third in the Championship behind the Tolemans of Henton and Warwick.
This car was raced by Andrea de Cesaris, with the Team Project Four (Ron Dennis) in the European F2 Championship in 1980. It then was upgraded by the March factory to 1981 specs and was raced in the British F2 Championship by Paul Smith (BMTR).

Paul S raced the car in a few Euro F2 races in 81, NOT the British F2 series. The latter didn't exist after 1972, other than the renamed BF3000 series in 1992-93 or so.

Shame really, I reckon after AFX died in 1980, they should have introduced a F2/FAt series, rather than FAt alone. At that time, there were a good number of half-decent 'national-level' F2 drivers/teams in Britain that could have supported such a series. After 1980, these F2 cars/drivers had nowhere to go. Then again Webby never rated F2 did he?

Smiffy raced the car in Aurora as well ( i think that is what they meant by UK F2) i think yr right F2 FA series made more sense plus some f2 cars where made into FA cars for uk series
as it was the car owners either went F Libre or made GT cars with their machines
Interserie was there to run in but crossing the water and borders was not easy thing for privateers to want to do with Carnets cash deposit bonds etc

DW, Smiffy did NOT race the 802 in AFX. He didn't get it 'til 81, when AFX was dead. He did race his 782 in AFX from mid-80 on, as we know that car(s) is a can of worms ain't it !!

A couple of good 802 pics on 'The Other Place'. The Roy Baker (ex-Kim) car and 1 of the Brutschin ones. I've never seen any pics of the Baker car, OTOH he only ever raced it once or twice I reckon??

yes Smiffy did have 802 i think he did euro F2 with it

Paul Smith had 802-17 [ex Serra] in 1981.
Uprated to 1981 spec

Chris

The problem is that I don't know where to find the tub number on a 802.
Anyone??

Allen: Tub number is on driver's left below the top body work and stamped into the top of the tub.

Here are photos of March 802-3, the F2 car owned by Nick Gjomeric of Belleville, Illinois, USA and the former Hoshino car (and then painted in black and some red) and before that the works test mule, painted as seen with BMW engines. Restored from a dusty relic by the very talented John Rogers Engineering of Connecticut, USA

Weekend of 7-21/22/2007, my son 11 y.o. Noah Graham Hutson trying it out for size. He's about as big as Ricardo Rodriguez was when he was 15 y.o. and beat all those California hotshoes in a Ferrari at Riverside eons ago...

Best,
David

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/davhut/March810tubnumber-sm.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/davhut/Nicks_number_sm.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/davhut/NGH_802_01sm.jpg

The number stamped on the chassis- is this your chassis dave?

The foto of white car is 802# 3 WITH 812 BODYWORK FITTED
Note slanting rear wing never sure if this happens with age or people lean on the wing with their elbow bragging how they won their last race
My car has slanting wing and ive learnt to lean on the other side to level it oput while i tell my last race story !!

Note slanting rear wing never sure if this happens with age or people lean on the wing with their elbow bragging how they won their last race
My car has slanting wing and ive learnt to lean on the other side to level it oput while i tell my last race story !!

A common problem easily solved by a couple of lengths of wire. Fix one end to the lower part of the end plate then stetch it over and afix on the undertray on the opposite side (i.e. left end plate to right side of undertray). The repeat for the other side. This effectively braces the wing underload and makes it a far more stable tray on which to have your lunch!

;)

The number stamped on the chassis- is this your chassis dave?

The foto of white car is 802# 3 WITH 812 BODYWORK FITTED
Note slanting rear wing never sure if this happens with age or people lean on the wing with their elbow bragging how they won their last race
My car has slanting wing and ive learnt to lean on the other side to level it oput while i tell my last race story !!

Which one is your car Drifty, and its history?

i dont have a march f2 car i have something more unusual and rare !!
my father has 2 march F2 cars

i did race 802 # 6 car once

i dont have a march f2 car i have something more unusual and rare !!

Let me guess driftwood: a Maurer:rotate: ?

Regarding the March 802, a dutch guy offered me a march 802 with a ford YB engine. Alledgedly ex-Serra and DeCesaris, project four racing.

Don't know which chassis number though, here's a pic:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1021/887190360_0a5bbdaed8.jpg

Not a Maurer- it was my 1st choice as i did not want another March in the family ( a bit like having 3 ford sierras when i want to be different ) 15 years ago i could not find race cars like you can today

the 802 YB car is this a german owned car? this car is also 801 with 812 body
i had the man send me foto less nose and wing maybe the new owner

Just for the record it was a certain Mr droogsma that emailed me 2 months ago I believe, so yes perhaps it has been sold to a german.

March 812 - 8 has been found ! Still in mostly original condition, with new bodywork, it will be recomissioned that year. A friend of mine bought the car recently and received documents, telling its history as team car of Franz Konrad (1982), Karl Hasenbichler (Interserie with Audi turbo engine and closed bodywork, 1984 - 1995), private colection in Germany (restoration with orignal BMW engine, 1996 - 2007).
At the forum it was told Franz Konrad used 802's for the 1982 season. Can anyone help with that chassis ? I desperately tried to enclose pictures to my mesage ?! kind regards MB-AC

812-8 was with Joachim Ryschka after HSB had the car then it was sold to reigl who never used the car
i have the hsb 822 for sale less can am body

Don't think we've done 812s yet have we chaps?? Any lists, Allen or Chris?

For Dan!

812-1 Unknown
812-2 Works: Boutsen
812-3 Works: Corrado Fabi
812-4 Unknown
812-5 Earle: Paletti
812-6 Merzario: Trombetti
812-7 Merzario: Necchi
812-8 Marcus Hotz??
812-9 Works: Danner

Unknown in 1981
Works spare
Speed Star: Fujita [all season]
I&I Racing Devt: Nakajima, late March
KK Super Sport Team, late March
Racing Mate Project Team, June

Chris

March book shows 11 March 812 cars made u list 9 cars
so lets assume
#1 japan
#4 japan
#10 japan
#11 japan
i will guess the early chassis number cars will be the 1st 2 teams to get cars
so assume1 & 4
for Speed Star: Fujita [all season]
I&I Racing Devt: Nakajima, late March
#10 KK Super Sport Team, late March
#11 for Racing Mate Project Team, June

anyone have 822 car list?

March 812 - 8 has been found ! Still in mostly original condition, with new bodywork, it will be recomissioned that year. A friend of mine bought the car recently and received documents, telling its history as team car of Franz Konrad (1982), Karl Hasenbichler (Interserie with Audi turbo engine and closed bodywork, 1984 - 1995), private colection in Germany (restoration with orignal BMW engine, 1996 - 2007).
At the forum it was told Franz Konrad used 802's for the 1982 season. Can anyone help with that chassis ? I desperately tried to enclose pictures to my mesage ?! kind regards MB-AC

http://rupert8766.fotopic.net/p3042886.html

The Konrad racing cars taken at Thruxton in 82 by me.

those pics show 802 the 812 was driven by
Harald Brutschin, D Franz Konrad Racing March 812 - BMW/Mader

Interserie results march 812 audi HSB car raced by karl hasenbichler to win Div2 twice then later car is raced by jochiam Ryshka

http://www.wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/interserie/tableinterserie.html

Dear guys from ten-tenths, thanks for all this detailed information!!!:) Although there ist still a ? about chassis 8. Did Hotz sell it to Konrad in 1981 or 1982 ? :Shrug:

you can ask Marcus Hotz directly www.horag.com
I would sugest a fax or email then follow it up with a phone call

i tried to ask Marcus some car history question in February he replied that he cannot remember all the cars and has some records but he was busy with current programme:banghead:

you can also ask Franz Konrad directly www.konradmotorsport.com
I think you will find it easy to get info as they all speak german!:rotate:

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981 ... 'Nickgoj' 2006/COLOR]
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980 - Unknown in 1981 - Norimasa Sakamoto (Japan) 1982 - Hitoshi Ogawa (Japan) 1983
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981 [COLOR="Red"]now in usa
802-4 works 1980 - loaned to Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981 - Van Rooyen, Charlton, Goddard ... tub used to repair 802-7 mid '84.i cant se ethis working car was sold to uk raced in sprints libres then sold to non racer in 1999
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed).he later has 822 ex sheckter car any confusion here over cars?
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken 1982 - Lou Infante (Can-Am) 1982 - Jerry Molnar 1983-84 ... NZ 2006with bdg fitted
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982was in Uk sold to germany being rebuilt with bmw power
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980 (almost certainly written off by de Cesaris during the season)
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006
802-18 Ron Dennis 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken (Can-Am) 1982-83
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981 - Andy Barton 1982-1984 (as AC 3000ME GT car) - Bill Paul 1985-86 to Ron Cummins and retained?
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981 - Roger Philpott 1981-82

[Amendments/COLOR]
Adam F said-Tub 802M01 is shown as the tub for
802-3, the works test car sold to Le Mans.
BTW 802-4 was only lent to Le Mans in Japan. According to the records it was to race once, then be returned to March in the U.K. No note as to whether this actually happened.
another car in usa is the 802 from seanloh with no id markings has can am body fitted and 13mb mazda motor 9 car went to japan in 80 & 81 -#3 is accounted for Davhut also mentioned another car in Washington any news on this car?-the 802 cars that raced in usa 2litre can am are accounted for and 1 802 is actually the march 77ST car with a different body- the 802 cars now in usa are all imported over the last 10 years but i think 1 of the project 4 EB Lunken cars is still in usa maybe this is the washington car?

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981 ... earlier list had nickgoj incorrectly listed
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980 - Unknown in 1981 - Norimasa Sakamoto (Japan) 1982 - Hitoshi Ogawa (Japan) 1983
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981 probably Hoshino team car-now in usa'Nickgoj' 2006/COLOR]

802-4 works 1980 - loaned to Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981 - Van Rooyen, Charlton, Goddard ... tub used to repair 802-7 mid '84.i cant see this working car was sold to uk raced in sprints libres then sold to non racer in 1999
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed).he later has 822 ex sheckter car any confusion here over cars?
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken 1982 - Lou Infante (Can-Am) 1982 - Jerry Molnar 1983-84 ... NZ 2006with bdg fitted COLOR="darkorchid"]has BDG fitted- i wonder if the car pictured earlier with YB motor is this car its a simple swap over car is describe das ex serra de crasharis but he had#16 and allegedly written off did serra drive car #13?
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982was in Uk sold to germany being rebuilt with bmw power
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980 (almost certainly written off by de Cesaris during the season)
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006COLOR="darkorchid"]has BDG fitted- i wonder if the car pictured earlier with YB motor is this car its a simple swap over car is describe das ex serra de crasharis but he had#16 and allegedly written off did serra drive car #13?
[802-18 Ron Dennis 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken (Can-Am) 1982-83maybe washington car?
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981 - Andy Barton 1982-1984 (as AC 3000ME GT car) - Bill Paul 1985-86 to Ron Cummins and retained?
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981 - Roger Philpott 1981-82

802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed).he later has 822 ex sheckter car any confusion here over cars?


Drifty, no confusion. :)

Roy did destroy the 802 and then came out with the ex-Schecter car. :cool:

Ok had to check unusual 1 man has 2 ex ZA sheckter cars in quick succession

Ok had to check unusual 1 man has 2 ex ZA sheckter cars in quick succession

I don't think it was in "quick succession"; I believe he bought the two cars at the same time!

:cool:

WELL ITS THE NEXT BEST THING!!
i guess he bought from Brannigan as he brought in 3 or 4 march cars from ZA
i know he did the 802#6 car ex thackwell and 1 832 in pieces that was made into lancia GT car and when i think of it he did the 832 with mazda motor that was raced at lydden by peter thurston
he sold car to cummins who then fitted bmw to it did libre
makes 3 832 cars that went to ZA for sigma series 2x 802 1x 822

i have 822 832 list to host in a short while

i have 822 832 list to host in a short while

822 for auction: http://www.coys.co.uk/auctions/lot.php?auction=64&id=47434

It might be a quite succesfull car, but the estimate seems a bit, well very funny actually:rofl: who's going to pay 120,000 euros for a car there isn't even a proper series for!?

i saw this car at essen motorshow looked like it was restored but the price is la la land more like 45-50k
danners 83 car is for sale in usa with bda motor
i have 822 roller to sell at £11k and 1 822 with bmw all fresh
im on the scent of these cars getting somehwer to run heard a story today that opens the doors

Something new for the mix
Remains of the real prototype 802 after Fabi crashed it during a test in Italy in January 1980
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5106/802ne8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

802-15 for sale here in Germany today (http://www.racecarsdirect.com/viewlisting.php?view=16886)

I own the March you refer to...call me 916-765-2934

so u bought car from jochen and took to usa will u fit bmw m12?

That's just the thing. The I.D. plates are missing for some odd reason. There is another car that is very much like this one, also an 802, in Washington. My father has spoken to the people over at March and it being an 802 is pretty much as far as we've narrowed it down to. What cars that went to Japan are totally unaccounted for? This car was sitting in Vallejo Califonia for several years before we bought it.

Please contact me 916-765-2934....the 802 you refer to in Washington is now in Sacramento. I have many questions you may be able to answer.

ask the questions here

British Driver Kim Mather's Aycliffe Newton / Theodore Racing March 802 - Hart at Thruxton for the 1st round of the 1980 European F2 Championship.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2299/2660991454_a6789c9209.jpg


F2 Thruxton Easter 1980 Project Four Racing March 802-BMW's

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2056/2660943478_559c2a62f4.jpg


ICI Roloil Racing Team (March Engineering) March 802 (Spare Chassis) of Italian Teo Fabi being wheeled back to the awning at Thruxton April 1980.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2660187183_dffafd2280.jpg

neat photos do you have any more? or different years?
or do you have a website where they can be viewed

neat photos do you have any more? or different years?
or do you have a website where they can be viewed

:) Just in the process of uploading some of my old photos to my Flickr site listed below:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/forestphoto1/

I had a look at your stuff on Flickr PaddockMan earlier this morning, some of the best shots I've seen of the late 80s F3000 era... amazing stuff. Can't wait to see more of them.