Chevron B25

This is going to be the first of three Chevron Atlantic threads [B29 is too long] that I'd like to keep specific. Chevron B25 seems to be the easiest to work out of all their Atlantic/F2 cars, but extension of knowledge and advice, especially on the Webb car, would be most useful.

Chevron B25 [25.73.01]-BDA
Chassis number observed on the Team Gunston car of John Love in the 1973 South African Formula 1 championship [F2 class]. Retained by the team, with Lexington sponsorship, and run for Guy Tunmer [1974] and Roy Klomfass [1975]. Sold to the Domingo brothers for the inaugural year of the South African Formula Atlantic championship along with chassis 3.

Chevron B25 [25.73.02]-BDA
Chassis number observed on the car of Tony Martin in the 1974 and 75 South African Formula 1 championship [F2 class]. Originally one of three B25s sold to Team Gunston in 1973. The car of Mike Fogg at the second round of the 1976 South African Atlantic championship is described by A/S 15.2.76 as ‘ex Martin’.

Chevron B25 [25.73.03]-BDA
Chassis number observed on the Team Gunston car of Ian Scheckter in the 1973 South African Formula 1 championship [F2 class]. Retained by the team, with Lexington sponsorship, and run for Brian van Hage [1974] and Ian Scheckter [1975]. Sold to the Domingo brothers for the inaugural year of the South African Formula Atlantic championship along with chassis 1.


Chevron B25 [25.73.04]-BDA
Sold to Ed Reeves in spring 1973 for Dave Morgan to use in the 1973 European F2 championship.
Retained 1974 and used in the British Atlantic championship, run by Harry Stiller.Sold to David Peck [A/S 2.1.75 p.3] but seemingly not used.

Chevron B25 [25.73.05]-BDA [“the Webb car”]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Webb’s car is the first to appear, so the lowest numbered. Used by Webb for the first half of the British Atlantic season but without a great deal of success. By a process of elimination the car seems to go in 1974 to Chris Skellern, who uses it in libre races, hill climbs and sprints. [For sale by Skellern A/S 16.5.74 p. 64 with Hart BDA; again 27.3.75]. A strong candidate for the Paddy Woods car that appears in Irish Atlantic races in 1975. If so, retained by Woods until 1977, then probably to David Lambe until 1979.

Chevron B25 [25.73.06]-BDA [“the Maublanc car”]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Maublanc’s car is the second to appear, so allocated the next lowest number. Used by Maublanc in the 1973 season, with a BMW engine fitted, then most likely the car sold to Alan Rivoire that appears in the European Hill Climb championship in 1974 with a BDA engine.

Chevron B25 [25.73.07]-BDA
Chassis number given for the works car for Peter Gethin in the 1973 European F2 championship. Sold to Reg Phillips for hill climbs in 1974, [described as ‘ex Gethin’ and this seems to be the only B25 Gethin used]. Retained by Phillips in 1975.

Chevron B25 [25.73.08]-BDA [‘the Lepp Atlantic car’]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Lepp’s car is the last to appear, so the highest numbered. The known history of chassis 9 suggests that Lepp ran the car in the early part of the Atlantic season because his own car was not ready, before returning it to the works F2 team.
Lepp then ran his new car through 1973, and it may have been the car he ran at the Estoril F2 round [even though this seems to have carried the plate from chassis 7]. Sold to Patsy McGarrity at the end of 1973 and used by him throughout the 1974 Irish Atlantic season, then sold on to his brother, Harold, and raced until the end of 1977.

Chevron B25 [25.73.09]-BDA
Chassis number given for the semi-works car run for John Lepp at the F2 race at Mallory Park 11.03.73 Lepp used the same car in the supporting Atlantic race. Chassis number given by MN for Gerry Birrell’s car at Hockenheim F2, 8.4.73. Presumably Birrell’s car throughout the season up to its destruction in Birrell’s fatal accident at Rouen. This suggests the car was handed back to the works early in the 1973 season when Lepp’s ‘proper’ car [08] was ready to run in Atlantic. This is reinforced by A/S 5.4.73 p.24 report BP round at Mallory Park which says that Lepp has ‘blue bodywork this week’. Though the car had previously been described as blue in programmes, photographs suggest it may have been in the works red at Mallory. 09 is probably used by Lepp in the first two Yellow Pages races of the season and perhaps by George Silverwood, his team mate, at the first BP round at Oulton Park. A car described as ‘ex Gerry Birrell’ is now owned by Klaus Fiedler.

Chevron B25 [25.73.10]-BDA
A new B25 appears in July 1973 for Scottish Formula Libre racer Campbell Graham. On the basis of appearance dates this is likely to be chassis 10. Graham sells the car in early 1974 to Iain McLaren who also uses it in libre events. Then to Andrew Jeffrey for 1975. A candidate for the car of Charles Munro in Scottish libre races in 1977, and of Ted Dzierzek in 1978-79. A rarity in that the car seems never to have run in Atlantic.

Chevron B25 [25.73.12]-BDA
Chassis number given by MN for Brett Lunger’s new car, run by Space Racing, at the Nivelles round of the 1973 European F2 championship. Chassis number noted by Adam Ferrington on Nick May’s Wessex Finance car, 1974. Chassis number noted on John Pollock’s car by Adam Ferrington at John Player Atlantic round at Silverstone, July 19, 1975. Bill Gowdy’s car in 1976 is described as ex-Pollock and seems to have been retained in 1977. Then to Paddy Farrelly [1978 – 79] to Cyril Lynch, Paul Deveney and Seamus [Shay] Lawless. This provenance from owner Nick Overall, via Marcus Pye.

Chevron B25 [25.73.14]-Ford t/c
At Trois Rivieres 1973 Chip Mead appears with a Chevron B25 described as ‘brand new’. On the basis of build and appearance dates, and with all other cars still in use, this has to be chassis 14. Perhaps the only B25 to go to the USA/Canada in period as all the others seem to be in UK, Ireland or European hill-climbing in 1974-76. Therefore, probably the B25/27 used in FC racing by Paul Henry in 1975, and the basis of Richard Guider’s Can-Am car in 1979. A B25 with this plate was briefly for sale by New England Classics in 2003-4.

Chevron B25 [25.73.”15”]-BDA
Jim Crawford appears late in 1973 with a ‘works development’ B25 in Formula Atlantic, based on ‘a spare F2 chassis’ [AS/MN]. This might be a rebuild of the ill-fated chassis 9 [and therefore the basis of Fiedler’s current car], or else a new car. Chevron development cars did not often carry plates, so this attribution may be one of convenience. Sold to Richard Shardlow for hill-climbs [A/S 11.4.74 p. 46 ex Crawford B25'] and retained 1975. A candidate for the John Stuart hill-climb car of 1977 [along with chassis 7].

B25-73-04 , driven by my favourite driver Dave Morgan seems to have pretty quickly recieved an update kit and is entered/referred to as a B27 by 1975 .

Bryan.

Chris,

In case you haven't checked , the 2 race car sales sites I look at , one in the U.S.A. and one in G.B. the U.S.A. site in the archives has zero references to B25's and the G.B. site has only for sale one in Dec. 2003 described as ex Gerry Birrell .
Where have they all gone .??? especially B25-73-04.

Bryan.

Does anyone know if the 3 "Gunston Cars" are still in South Africa? Maybe IANHEB who posts on this site may know, being a resident in SA.

Bryan, agreed, these cars do appear to be thin on the ground. I know of the following cars.

One currently owned by Nick Overall which has already being refferred too and is or was for sale. Simon Hadfield mentioned a few years ago that he had the ex "Gethin" car but I guess he may have sold it and I saw one at the Oulton Park Gold Cup on the Chevron display but have no idea of its provenence or chasssis number.

Further to the above there is the "fiedler" car which is now owned by Oskar Christen I think. No idea of the history.

I thought the 2 works cars were black with a yellow stripe not red?

James,
Yes,all 3 cars are still here,one restored and running, the other 2 "need work".
I was also confused by an Autosport advert a couple of years ago for an "ex works,ex Gethin car" that was painted in Team Gunston colours.Certainly not chassis no 1,2 or 3,as those original plates are still attached to the original tubs.
I am at ianh@ioh.co.za if you want to talk Historic F.Ford !
Regards
Ian

The Lepp atlantic car is referrred to page 161 of the Chevron book.

''Spurred on by Gethin's performance , Chevron borrowed back John Lepp's Atlantic car from its new owner , Irishman Patsy McGarrity , and put a Hart BDA in so Watson could drive alongside Gethin at Albi.''

In regard to the Jim Crawford B25 , refer page 174/5 Chevron book , car built up at the works by Neil Edwards using a spare B25 F2 tub and the rear suspension and a lot of the bits off Gerry Birrell's car. This could then be regarded by the current owner as ex Birrell to some extent .

Bryan.

Did a bit of searching on the web last night. There is a B25 advertised here www.vintageracingservices.com. Presumably an atlantic spec but there is no reference to chassis no or history.

Have realised why there is a Gethin link to Team Gunston.He drove B25-73-03 as a guest driver for its first race in Cape Town,Jan 1973.Love drove 01 and Scheckter 02.Thereafter 03 was the spare car until I.S. crashed 02 ,after which he used 03.
For 1974, 01 and 03 retained for Team Lexington and 02 to Tony Martin as per Chris's post above.All 3 cars had FG 400 Hewland boxes.
01 is currently an incomplete restoration project,02 is restored and runs occasionally in SA Historics and 03 is complete less engine in a museum.
Cheers
Ian

B25-73-07 -I still have it, I aquired it as part of a fairly convoluted deal but basically the car came from France some years ago via the offices of the good Roger Cowman, it was he who was responsible for the "Team Gunston" flag flying. The car still has its original one piece bodywork and the colours are black and yellow -amazingly still there under brown then red then blue!

Simon

I'm a bit puzzled by your chassis number. Do you have 25-07?
But with Team Gunston colour scheme underneath all the other paint jobs?

Chris

73-05 to Chris Skellern, thats interesting. I recall him in FF then 2000 in the mid-late 70s, I didn't realise he'd had an F2/FAt car before that. I rated him as pretty good in FF2000, how was he in Libre/Hillclimbs ? I wonder why he 'down-sized' to FF from a B25?

It is 07, first repaint over original black and yellow was blue followed by red then brown (then primer as I brought it). I am sure there is no connection with the Gunston cars and the confusion was caused by Roger Cowman "fishing" when he first collected the car.

This is going to be the first of three Chevron Atlantic threads [B29 is too long] that I'd like to keep specific. Chevron B25 seems to be the easiest to work out of all their Atlantic/F2 cars, but extension of knowledge and advice, especially on the Webb car, would be most useful.

Chevron B25 [25.73.08]-BDA [‘the Lepp Atlantic car’]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Lepp’s car is the last to appear, so the highest numbered. The known history of chassis 9 suggests that Lepp ran the car in the early part of the Atlantic season because his own car was not ready, before returning it to the works F2 team.
Lepp then ran his new car through 1973, and it may have been the car he ran at the Estoril F2 round [even though this seems to have carried the plate from chassis 7]. Sold to Patsy McGarrity at the end of 1973 and used by him throughout the 1974 Irish Atlantic season, then sold on to his brother, Harold, and raced until the end of 1977.

Chevron B25 [25-73-08]

The following is from the current keeper:

1973 - Classic Cars for John Lepp
1974 - Patsy McGarrity
1975 - Pat Woods
1978 - Paddy Farrelly
1985 - Jeremy Bouckley
1986/7 - Roy Lane
1989 - Mark Colton
1990 - Richard Budge
2002 - Keith Harris (the current keeper who hillclimbs & sprints the car in the UK and hillclimbs it in Europe).

:cool:

Steve

Brilliant! Just the sort of information that I hoped we'd get through this thread.
My ascription of some chassis numbers in the initial list was a bit of a punt based on likely delivery dates and race debuts. 05 as the Skellern car is still a hunch.
Dan: I too remember him as a very handy racer in FF2000 [Crossle 33F]. A few others downsized at the same time - Rob Cooper went from a March 722 to a Lola T580
Simon: Thanks for confirmation. I'm now puzzled about the succession of paint jobs.
We know yours was the Gethin works F2 car - and it has the right gel coat - but Reg Phillips seems to get that car and on the basis of the photo Steve Wilkinson sent me that was pretty definitively white in 1974. Did you get any trail on the car pre Cowman discovery?

Chris

Tragically little, unfortunately. However the photos I have seen of Reg Phillips driving the car it seems to have a B27 body (like that on Nick Overalls B25) the principal difference is that the B27 body is two piece unlike the somewhat unwieldy one piece B25 nose/cockpit. It is also worth noting that the overpainting was none too particular -leaving virtually all the yellow and white detailing from the original colour scheme!

Chris,
It would appear that after some digging 25-01 was the car that went to Tony Martin in 1974.It was then used by Fogg,Ivor Raasch (who put the whole back end into an Escort spaceframe type of special saloon !!) and then Alan Macdonald who put it back together with a BDG and did 1 or 2 races at the end of 1979.The current owner bought it from him.
2 and 3 were retained for 74/75 by Lexington and driven by Tunmer and Von Hage.In 76 they went to the Domingo family as Atlantic cars and John Nich. drove one in Cape Town.They were then sold to Mel Lahner.In 1980 Andrew Thompson undertook the conversion of both cars to Mazda rotary engines and the chassis numbers were recorded .Tilanus,Ziman,Lahner and others drove during 81/82.He then bought the cars from Lahner approx 1983 and semi restored 03 with a dummy engine for display in the Hiedelberg motor museum.02 was retained and fully restored in 1998 for Gary Dunkerley but has recently been sold on locally.
Hope this helps
Ian

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/swhillclimb/images/8-picture1.gif
ABOVE: Reg Phillips in B25-73-07 at Prescott, 1974.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/swhillclimb/images/8-picture2.gif
ABOVE: Richard Shardlow in B25-73-"15" at Harewood, 1974.

:cool:

Interesting, both cars have B27 bodywork. The separate nose of the B27 has raised "flares" in front of the wheels.

Interesting, both cars have B27 bodywork. The separate nose of the B27 has raised "flares" in front of the wheels.

Simon - the fitting of 'uprated' bodywork was and still is common place in Speed Events. Quiet often cars are listed as for example B25/27 - this would mean it was a B25 with some B27 bits on it! Plus there is more likelihood of a bodywork damaging shunt on the hills due to the proximity of the scenery! In these cases it might have been easier for the driver to get the B27 bodywork rather than try and patch up the old shattered fibreglass.

:)

Quite! I would suspect that both cars being "works"cars they would be sold with the latest more crashable bodywork and possibly the original bodies as spares-I would feel that was plausible!

Quite! I would suspect that both cars being "works"cars they would be sold with the latest more crashable bodywork and possibly the original bodies as spares-I would feel that was plausible!

More than likely as Hillclimbers always like a good deal! :)

Just to muddy the waters a bit, Kit Henry is advertising the Chevron B25 that he and brother Paul used to race. It's evidently been in storage for over 20 years, having raced in FC into the 1980s. Chassis number isn't mentioned but history is given as:

1973 Chevron B-25 updated to B-27. Brian Hart 1100cc fuel injected motor. Car includes bodywork for either car configuration. Has extensive SCCA history including a 6th place finish at the runoffs, and numerous Cendiv Ne Ohio Championships in Formula C. SCCA Log Book included. Includes some spares + all subframes and motor mounts for Twin Cam. Was originally an FA/F2 car, and was run by Bobby Brown in Trios Riviers and Watkins Glenn Pro Races in 1973. Car was also 2nd in the F5I national championship in 1978 driven by Kit Henry beating all F5000 cars and finishing 2nd to Paul Henry.As the Henrys still have it, this car can't have been the Dick Guider Can-Am car of late 1979 so maybe two B25s were in the US.

The Henry team can be contacted via here (http://www.caphenryracing.com/contact.asp).

Allen

Thinking about that Guider "B25", I do wonder if it was the ex-Cicale B26 instead. I checked the Monterey entry list and it appears as "Elite Enterprises Chevron B-25" but all the other U2L entries (except Cicale's of course) were sports cars, not single seater.

Allen

Chevron B25 [25.73.09]-BDA
Chassis number given for the semi-works car run for John Lepp at the F2 race at Mallory Park 11.03.73 Lepp used the same car in the supporting Atlantic race. Chassis number given by MN for Gerry Birrell’s car at Hockenheim F2, 8.4.73. Presumably Birrell’s car throughout the season up to its destruction in Birrell’s fatal accident at Rouen. This suggests the car was handed back to the works early in the 1973 season when Lepp’s ‘proper’ car [08] was ready to run in Atlantic. This is reinforced by A/S 5.4.73 p.24 report BP round at Mallory Park which says that Lepp has ‘blue bodywork this week’. Though the car had previously been described as blue in programmes, photographs suggest it may have been in the works red at Mallory. 09 is probably used by Lepp in the first two Yellow Pages races of the season and perhaps by George Silverwood, his team mate, at the first BP round at Oulton Park. A car described as ‘ex Gerry Birrell’ is now owned by Klaus Fiedler.George Silverwood wins a libre at Cadwell Park 3 Jun 1973. His car is said to be "Derek Buller-Sinfield's Chevron B25".

Allen

I've just noticed something (excuse me if I've been slow)
Chevron B25 [25.73.08]-BDA [‘the Lepp Atlantic car’]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Lepp’s car is the last to appear, so the highest numbered. The known history of chassis 9 suggests that Lepp ran the car in the early part of the Atlantic season because his own car was not ready, before returning it to the works F2 team.
Lepp then ran his new car through 1973, and it may have been the car he ran at the Estoril F2 round [even though this seems to have carried the plate from chassis 7]. Sold to Patsy McGarrity at the end of 1973 and used by him throughout the 1974 Irish Atlantic season, then sold on to his brother, Harold, and raced until the end of 1977.
Chevron B25 [25-73-08]

The following is from the current keeper:

1973 - Classic Cars for John Lepp
1974 - Patsy McGarrity
1975 - Pat Woods
1978 - Paddy Farrelly
1985 - Jeremy Bouckley
1986/7 - Roy Lane
1989 - Mark Colton
1990 - Richard Budge
2002 - Keith Harris (the current keeper who hillclimbs & sprints the car in the UK and hillclimbs it in Europe).In which case, what was the B25 that Harold McGarrity drove in Ireland in 1975 alongside Woods' car?

Allen

Allen

That bit about the Patsy McGarrity car going to Harrold McG is wrong!
08 Patsy McG then Woods and Farrelly
Harrold unknown but possibly from Skellern
Shortall B25/27 unknown but quite possibly the ex Morgan car via Peck given the extent of mods.

Chris

Chevron B25 [25-73-08]

The following is from the current keeper:

1973 - Classic Cars for John Lepp
1974 - Patsy McGarrity
1975 - Pat Woods
1978 - Paddy Farrelly
1985 - Jeremy Bouckley
1986/7 - Roy Lane
1989 - Mark Colton
1990 - Richard Budge
2002 - Keith Harris (the current keeper who hillclimbs & sprints the car in the UK and hillclimbs it in Europe).

:cool:Steve

How sure are that this is the car Martin Chittenden sprinted in 1988?

Allen

Chris,
It would appear that after some digging 25-01 was the car that went to Tony Martin in 1974.It was then used by Fogg,Ivor Raasch (who put the whole back end into an Escort spaceframe type of special saloon !!) and then Alan Macdonald who put it back together with a BDG and did 1 or 2 races at the end of 1979.The current owner bought it from him.
2 and 3 were retained for 74/75 by Lexington and driven by Tunmer and Von Hage.In 76 they went to the Domingo family as Atlantic cars and John Nich. drove one in Cape Town.They were then sold to Mel Lahner.In 1980 Andrew Thompson undertook the conversion of both cars to Mazda rotary engines and the chassis numbers were recorded .Tilanus,Ziman,Lahner and others drove during 81/82.He then bought the cars from Lahner approx 1983 and semi restored 03 with a dummy engine for display in the Hiedelberg motor museum.02 was retained and fully restored in 1998 for Gary Dunkerley but has recently been sold on locally.
Hope this helps
Ian
Ian

Belated thanks for this. I've updated OldRacingCars.com records accordingly. I now have Tunmer in 02 for 1974, Klomfass in 02 for 1975 and Hage in 03 for 1974. Is that right or isn't it possible to know who drove what in 1974/75?

Thanks

Allen

Steve

How sure are that this is the car Martin Chittenden sprinted in 1988?

Allen

YES:)

Chevron B25 [25.73.”15”]-BDA
Jim Crawford appears late in 1973 with a ‘works development’ B25 in Formula Atlantic, based on ‘a spare F2 chassis’ [AS/MN]. This might be a rebuild of the ill-fated chassis 9 [and therefore the basis of Fiedler’s current car], or else a new car. Chevron development cars did not often carry plates, so this attribution may be one of convenience. Sold to Richard Shardlow for hill-climbs [A/S 11.4.74 p. 46 ex Crawford B25'] and retained 1975. A candidate for the John Stuart hill-climb car of 1977 [along with chassis 7].And also 1978. Stuart runs the "white" Chevron B25 at Loton (AS 22 Jun 1978 p57).

Edit: just spotted the pictures above. Reg Phillips' B25-73-07 was white but Richard Shardlow's B25-73-"15" was blue. So does that make 07 the favourite for Stuart's car?

Chevron B25 [25.73.06]-BDA [“the Maublanc car”]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Maublanc’s car is the second to appear, so allocated the next lowest number. Used by Maublanc in the 1973 season, with a BMW engine fitted, then most likely the car sold to Alan Rivoire that appears in the European Hill Climb championship in 1974 with a BDA engine.Roger Damaisin, who ran a B20 on the French hills in 1974, has a B25-ROC in 1975 which appears to be described (Echappement May 1975 p125) as the car of Maublanc and Rivoire. Damaisin était également là avec sa Chevron B25 dans laquelle it étrennait un moteur ROC tout nouvellement homologué en F2, on notait une certaine désaffection des autres pilotes de monoplace comme Maublanc et Rivoire.To save you looking it up (I had to), étrenner is to use for the first time.

However, the very same day (16 March) at Montmarquet, Roger Riviore wins in a Chevron B25-Ford.

Sorry, I'm not helping am I? :)

Allen

At least I can confirm one thing. At Ampus in 1974, Rivoire is said to have "la March [sic] 73 de Maublanc". This 'March' is correctly listed in the results as a Chevron F2.

Allen

Allen,

I think that what Echappement is saying is that Damaisan is using an ROC motor for the first time, not the B25, and the reference to Rivoire and Maublanc is to their regarding the ROC engine with distrust or suspicion.

Chris

I got lost in the sub-clauses in that sentence (which is actually a sub-clause in an even longer sentence). I think you're right about the reference to Riviore and Maublanc but the coincidence was so great I didn't read it as carefully as I should.

So that 'B25'-ROC is more likely to be the ex-Maublanc 1972 B20 uprated and the real B25 is still with Rivoire.

Allen

As I read more Eschappement, it's getting harder and harder to believe that there was only one B25 on the French hills. Away from the results sections, I've just spotted a profile of Roger Damaisin (Echappement Dec 1977 p133) which says that he bought the ex-Maublanc B20 for 1973 (with a 2-litre Ford) but the ex-Mieusset B25-Hart in 1974. He then put a 2-litre ROC into the B25 for 1975 before buying Maublanc's March 752-BMW for 1976.

So we have one B25-BMW with Maublanc in 1973, going to Rivoire for 1974 and 1975; and one B25-Ford driven by Mieusset in 1973 as part of the Maublanc team which then goes to Damaisin for 1974 and 1975.

I seem to be only person posting here but I've found a couple more B25 snippets that don't seem to help :)

Pat Woods comprehensively wrecks his B25 at Phoenix Park 18 Sep 1977 (AS 29 Sep 1977 p45) and Jimmy Jack is driving a 1.9-litre B25/B29 at Longridge on 25 Sep 1977 (AS 29 Sep 1977 p49 and MN 29 Sep 1977 p23). Given the 1.9-litre engine, I'd fancy Jack's car as the ex-Campbell Graham car which always featured a 1.9 FVC. It's possible he's borrowed Munro's car for the day.

Allen

Allen

So you don't feel like you are talking to yourself...
I totally agree with you about Jack's car being the ex Graham, ex McLaren ex Jeffrey B25. Probably the basis of the car of Ted Dzierzek described as 25/27 [f.s AS 23.3.78 p. 62 but run into 1979]

Woods's car was chassis 8

Chris

Alan,

I may not be talking , however I am watching.

Bryan.

I later found a reference (that I failed to note down) at a hillclimb to Munro's can being sponsored by Jack Crane Hire or some such thing and mechanic Jimmy Jack fixing Munro's car in time for the final run. So there's a very strong possibility that Munro and Jack were sharing a car in which case the ex-Graham/McLaren/Jeffrey B25-FVC must be odds-on favourite.

Edit: That will be this chap then: http://www.james-jack.co.uk/public/aboutusfrms.htm. Another phone call to add to my To-do list.

Dumb request I know but I am looking for someone who can help with a (several) photos of where the front subframe attaches to the tub, espesialy in the center and the pedal mounts. any of the B24 B25 B29 cars should do. Thanks Dazza67

www.vintageracingservices.com have some photo's of their B25 which may assist you. For sale section.

Bryan .

I said I'd find where Mieusset's Chevron B25 first appears in 1973. It's at Glouneux (23 Jun 1973) where he appears with a Maublanc team Chevron-BMW-Hart. Echappement calls it a Chevron BMW but unhelpfully says:

Mieusset était venu avec une Chevron-BMW de l'écurie Maublanc, celui-ci disposant du modèle à moteur Brian Hart.So a Chevron-BMW but with a Hart engine!?!

Maublanc is at the same event in his B25 which is presumably still motivated by its 2-litre Hart.

Mieusset is next out at Mont Dore (1 Jul 1973) where he is said to have swaped his March 722 for a Chevron B25. The livery of the car is subtly but distinctly different to Maublanc's B25 which is winning at Vuillaffans the same day.

I think Allen the quote translates as, VERY roughly (!!), Mieusset brought a Chevron BMW from the Maublanc team, the latter using the same car with Hart motor.
V willing to be corrected, I used to be fluent in French... albeit that was late 1981 !

'Of' or 'from' Maublanc? I took it to mean 'of', so one of the Maublanc team's B25s, not a car bought from Maublanc. As Maublanc and Mieusset then appear in B25s at different events on the same day, it has to mean two distinct cars. The B25 that Jean Lachaud drives later in 1973 may be the same car Mieusset drives.

Allen

Allen, sorry, I meant Mieusset brought along a B25 owned by the Maublanc team, the latter had his own car with a Hart. So yes, 2 distinct cars.

B25.73.14 is advertised for sale as a roller on www.race-cars.com

Located in Stratford CT, so hasn't moved far from New England Classics if at all.

Allen

Just had a read thru this thread again. The above car advertised B25-14- 73 was the car which was originally allocated to the Henry family but as the Henry family recently advertised their car which has been in storage for so long, where does that leave us. Clearly B25's in USA for quite a while but only 1 confirmed identity!

I suspect that only one B25 was sold new to the USA - appearing with Price Cobb late on in the 1973 FB season. This might well have become the Henry car which does not appear before 1975.

14 suggests a later season car.

Numbering for B25s is a bit hypothetical since like B25s production seems to have outstripped the build record

1: Gunston: John Love
2: Gunston: Brian von Hage
3: Gunston: Ian Scheckter
4: Ed Reeves: Dave Morgan
5: Eris Tondelli sold later in year to Lachaud or Damaisan [this is speculative based on car being tested as early as late Feb 73]
6: Pierre Maublanc [HC] [BMW] [speculative based on appearance]
7: Works: Peter Gethin
8: John Lepp
9: Works: Gerry Birrell destroyed at Rouen maybe basis of the works development car for Crawford late season
10: Martin Webb [speculative]
12: Space Racing: Brett Lunger/John Watson
14: Chip Mead [speculative]
15: Campbell Graham [FL] [Speculative]
16: Whichever of Lachaud or Damaisan doesn't buy Tondelli's car

Chris

South African cars.

No 3 car: Heidleberg museum is now is closed. Most of the stock including the above is now at Mr Rupert's new Franschhoek Motor Museum. (BTW a wonderful place if you find yourself in the Cape)

Peter Lindenberg and Anthony Corin own an ex Ian Schecter car, so presumably that is No2.

I've got contact details for all of the above parties if required.

John

Welcome John

Photo of Lindenberg/Corin B25 taken by me in Jan 2006 at Wesbank.

http://www.zahistorics.com/images/forums/chevron_b25.jpg

Based upon a detailed re-evaluation of who has what when I think that we can conclude the following about B25s, even if we can't yet put chassis numbers to them
The Webb car [which I now think was either chassis 6 or chassis 10 based on delivery dates and appearances for other cars] has to be the Skellern car in 1974 and sold spring 75 to Harrold McGarrity.

The Graham car has to be chassis 17 or 18 something as high as that!

The big question is the Lachaud B25 that appears at Chamrousse 29 July 73. Is this a new car or the Tondelli car?
Tondelli tests a B25 at Misano late Feb 73, Autosprint picture 26 Feb-5 Mar p. And then uses one at Fleron h/c 11.3.73 Autosprint 12-19 Mar p. 24 'con la sua Chevron F2' and Condroz 18.3 Autosprint 19-26 Mar p. 24; by 19 August Herbeumont is using B21 again
Given the known histories of the Mieusset and Maublanc cars this is either new [chassis 17 or 18]

Allen what else do you have on B25/27s in French hillclimbs?

Chris

I have three B25s in French hillclimbs in 1973. I don't have first appearance dates in my notes but I think I posted somethig on that above. It's worth noting that the one B18 and one B20 that appeared in previous years can be tracked as well so none of these B25s is that B18 or B20 updated.

1. Pierre Maublanc 1973 - Roger Rivoire 1974,1975 - 'Genillon' and J-C Dutrey 1976 (as 1600) ...
2. Jimmy Mieusset 1973 - Roger Damaisin 1974,1975 - missing in 1976 ...
3. Jean Lachaud 1973,1975,1975,1976 then moved to a B29-ROC later in 1976

No cars appear described as B27s.

Allen

The Maublanc car had a Hart, Mieusset's a BMW and Lachaud's a 'Ford'.

Just came back from South Africa.

Chassis No1 is currently owned by Mike Budd in Johannesburg

PM me if you need contact details