Brabham BT30

This is a major post for me in regard to these cars ,and a lot of assistance is due to Chris Townsend.
I will have made some mistakes , but initially will post obscure cars in order to see if we can eliminate strange entities out in to correct spec.
The major problem with these cars is it took very little for the same car to be reported as anything between a BT28 and or BT36 or anything inbetween.
For the people that may not be aware , the FIA rules in regard to cockpit widths altered and BT28-29 and 30 were not considered wide enought for save emergency exit , therefor the BT35 and BT36 had altered body panels to comply.
Naturally cars were altered to comply and a ''say '' BT30 then was reported as a BT36 in some instances.This has greatly complicated tracking of the cars.

The first cars are to seek assistance and to advise.

BT30x as a hillclimb car in 1969 at least by 23-5-69 , for Mike McDowell and shared with Rob Jennings , fitted with a Climax FWMV 2.0 V8 , always entered as seperate entity , but the same car.
This car is BT30x-1 , and is a combination of McDowells engine and Jennings chassis, car is used in this form all through 1970 and A/S reports 18-2-1971 p.25 as now being fitted with a 3.5 Litre Buick , work being carried out by Roy Lane.
Car then adv. sale 10-6-71 p.75,
Sold to David Fyfe and confirmed as BT30X-1 .
For sale again A/S 7-12-72. No further known.

Roger Hickman is out in the hills early 1969 in a 1.6 FVA engined BT30 at Loton Park.
This car changes hands to Brian Pickering and is at Barbon Manor in 1970 as a BT30 fitted with a 1.5 Lotus Twin-cam.
In 1971 this car is now shared with Nigel Woodise A/S 18-2-1971 p.25 still fitted with 1.5 Twin-cam [for class wins].
No number known by me, Chris suggests could be BT30-2 ?????

The next is what started as a BT29 FB with a Cosworth FVC , and entered by Tony Griffiths , this entity is reported as written off at Silverstone and is then replaced by a BT30 , which A/S reports as built April 1970.
Did the chassis plate get transferred and only a new chassis , BT30 , or a whole new car or what.???????????

The next is an adv. 10-2-1972 p.54 for a BT28/30 for sale as an F3 with genuine Bt30 chassis.

BT30-1 1969 Kurt Ahrens as F2 .
1970 Werner Lindeman as F2 at C/Palace 24-5-1970

Car written off , destroyed by fire in the report for Hockenheim F2 round 14-6-1970

BT30-2, reported as Peter Westbury's car at Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8 . somehow I think this is a reporting error.

BT30-3, First /Westbury at Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8 .
Major damage , to be rebuilt for the next round of the F2 series.
At Le Castellet 26-7-1970 , now with John Wingfield .
In 1971 still with Wingfield at Hockenheim 8-4-1971 p.10
For sale A/S 1-7-1971 p.60
To Jim Charnock prior August 1971 used at Oulton Park 7-10-1971.
The following is not verified .
To Christopher Mann U.K. 1983
To Ray Delaney , Australia [ verified ] 1983-88.
To Art Valdez U.S.A. 1990-1 circa.
Nothing Further.

BT30-4 , for Malcolm Guthrie , new at Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8
Frank Williams as entrant some or all of the time in1969.
By 1970 for Ecurie Ecosse for Graham Birrell at N'bring 3-5- 1970.
Thence to Jolly Club /Gagliardi, non C/ship rd. at Monza , 21-7-1970, then Salzburg F2 30-8-1970.
Then Scuderia Ala d'oro for Gian-Luigi Picchi at Hockenheim 4-4-1971.
then reported to be shared by Salvati and Picchi in 1971 , and stated to be the car used by Silvio Moser at Bogota in 1971.
Carlo Franchi for 'Gimax' at Monza 20-6-1971.
Nothing further.

BT30-5.
Frank Williams , new for Piers Courage Zolder 13-6-1969 p.8
To Albert Poon and used at Macau 16-11-1969 , report 27-11-1969 p.14 , retained into 1970 and used at Macau again A/S 3-12-1970 p.4 .
Nothing further.

Bt30-6 . Irish Racing Cars / Alan Rollison 1969,
to Bogota Sth.America F2 series , reported as very little used , in fact an uprated 1969 car.
Poss. for sale Bob Howlings Racing Cars 17-2-1972 p.42 as EX. Rollinson , winner at Bogota , also rear cover Autosport 2-3-1972 .
To Nelson Todd Ireland 1971 .
To Ken Walker/ Peter Kaye U.K. 1972 [ David McKinney]
To Bob Howlings again.????
To John Bradburn.
To James Wallis 1982-3 usedin the H.S.C.C championship.
To Bob Howlings 1985
To Tony Thompson 1986.
To Chris Farrell [Australia] retained 2003.

That's all for now .

Any fixes needed.

Bryan.

Bryan, these are a bit before my time, but I do recall Phil Guerola in a lovely 'clean' BT30 (or described as such) in UK Libre from 75-76 -ish. I think it had an 1800 cc engine, wnet pretty well too at that level.

Guerola raced BT30-11, the car that Tony Dean raced briefly in 1972( I think/hope!) Saw him beat Bev Bond's B18 in a brilliant libre race at Mallory in November 1972.

As always, hope this helps rather than hinders

BT30X/1
David Fyfe and Alex Brown 1972
Murray McGrath 1973
Peter Coleman (still with Rover V8) in HSCC events 1989

Hickman car
I have Pickering and Woodisse sharing this in 1970 as well as 1971
My notes say “BT30/3?” (ie with a question-mark)

BT30/2 and 3
I have the lower number for the Westbury/Wingfield/Charnock car. Perhaps Westbury had both cars, and the other was the Pickering/Hickman job?
Dick James was advertising “ex-Westbury BT30/3” in California 1992/3

BT30/4
I have the number of Birrell’s EE car as 14 - I wonder of your 4 for him is a misprint?

BT30/5
Poon was still campaigning a BT30 in 1971 and 1972 (sometimes with Kevin Bartlett as driver) - presumably this one

BT30/6
James Wallis was running this car in 1984 and 1985 - don’t know about earlier

BT30/11
Watson 1970 and 1971 and into 1972. Howlings then Dean in ‘72 clubbies, then Guerola. I suspect David Force might be able to throw light on this car’s present whereabouts

David.

Thank you .
BT30X-1 , noted.
BT30-2 , will allocate to Hickman/Pickering/ Woodise at the moment.
BT30-3. with Dick James /California 1992-3. Believe this will be the car ex. Australia/Ray Delaney, and I have CAMS application for this and car is called out as BT30-3, so will leave as that for the moment.
Strange that Westbury is connected with both BT30-2 and BT30-3 and also had a car that needed a rebuild after 1st. outing, scope for confusion / chassis plate swapping , whatever . More work needed .
BT30-4 , yes noted that the E.E use does not gell , and Ecurie Ecosse usual car is BT30-14.
Quite a lot of car renting went on between these guys in period , and Chris Townsend has alerted me to some , to go with others I found.
BT30-5 , Noted , I presumed that to be the case.
BT30-6, Noted , this was the call out from the Australian application to CAMS , and probably not fully accurate in regard to dates.

This takes us to ,

BT30-7. Reported in Autosport as 1969 ex. Malcolm Guthrie new.
1970 Jolly Club borrowed for Sth. American series, A/S.11-2-71 , p.32. Query ,Motoring News states BT30-4. for Silvio Moser.
No more known.

BT30-8.
Irish Racing Cars , Tommy Reid , 1969.
Used by Reid in Japanese G.P.
Alan Rollinson C/Palace 24-5-1970.
John Smith , Mondello Park 11-7-71 [F1R]
For Sale Tommy Reid BT30-8 A/S 18-11-1971p.59.
'''''''''Bob Howlings 9-12-1971 , rear cover.
Adv. 20-1-1972 , p.45 states BT30 last raced by Tommy Reid.
Chris Townsend has a note to John Smith 1972.
No more known in period .
Was owned by Andrew Fellowes in U.K. in 1980's , poss. now with Bob Baker , U.S.A.

BT30-9.
Team Brabham for Francois Mazet 1970 F2 at least at C/Palace.
Gerry Birrell at Imola 27-9-1970.
For sale Sports Motors 15-10-1970.
To Ecurie Monaco for Lionel Noghes at H'heim 4-4-1971, and also at Rouen 1971.
No more known.

BT30-10.
Team Brabham for Tim Schenken 1970 F2 .
F1R states Gerry Birrell Hockenheim 14-6-1970 F2 race.
For sale Sports Motors , 15-10-1970.
To Ian Ballock for Sth. American series , Driver Cyd. Williams A/S. 17-12-1970 p.2
For sale A/S 29-4-1971 p.56
'''''''''''' 24-6-1971 p.52
To Bill Creasy fitted with a BDA at Siverstone 7-10-1971 p26
For sale A/S 11-5-1972 p.66
'''''''''''' 7-9-1972 p.58 with a note stating run once only as an Atlantic.
No more known.

BT30-11 .
John Watson 1970 F2 .
John Watson 1971 F2 at least at H/heim , C/palace / and then Mondello 11-7-1971, now called out as a BT30/36 , updated panels????
For sale , A/S BT30/36 4-11-1971 p45.
'''''''''''''''''''''' 6-4-1972 p.51 and seemed to be being used by Bob Howlings , fitted with a Cosworth FVC.
To Tony Dean , U.K. purchased from Howlings at the Rothmans 50000 .
To Phillip Guerola in 1973 and retained into at least the end of 1976.
No more known.

BT30-12.
Irish Racing Cars , Tommy Reid , 1970 F2, also appears to have been used by Alan Rollinson 1970 and Tommy Reid 1971 at Mallory Park F2 round.
Advert., A/S 20-1-1972, as last raced by Tommy Reid 1971 / R. Vincent p.45.
Probably the car adv. / Howlings 27-4-1972 p.67.
To John Pollck , Ireland 1973 .
To Harold McGarrity Ireland .
To Paddy Heron , Ireland, above via David McKinney.
No more known.

BT30-13 , NOT BUILT.

BT30-14,
Ecurie Ecosse- Peter Gethin at Zolder F2 24-5-1970 .
Graham Birrell at C/Palace , poss. BT30-4 ????
At Monza 21-6-1970.
Richard Attwood at Mantorp Park30-8-1970.
Rented to Peter Westbury for the Sth. American series A/S . 24-12-1970 p.5 .
Sold via MRE/Ronnie Mckay .
To Chong Boon Seng/ S.E.Asia fitted with updated body panels .
To Del Schlomer 1975. S.E.Asia.
To Wybe Valkema 1980-82 S.E.Asia.
To Brian Wilson circa 1988 Australia.
To U.S.A. circa 1990-1 .
No more known.

BT30-15. A very confusing car.!!!!!!!!!

Gerrard for Peter Gaydon, Thruxton F2 1970.
26-4-1970 , Henri Pescarolo , Montjuic Park F2
24-5-1970 Crystal Palace .
14-6-1970 Brian Hart , Hockenheim .
14-3-1971 Brian Hart , Mallory Park.
4-4-1971 '''''''''''', H/heim.
July 1971 Robert Salisbury , Mondello Park.
A car for sale Oct.21-1971 p.84.
At Mallory Park A/S 28-10-1971 p48 / Salisbury called as a BT35 -Hart BDA .
At Brands Hatch now called BT30-BDA A/S 30-12-1971 p.11
At Snetterton F/Atlantic , called a BT35 6-4-1972 p.27
Poss for sale A/S. 7-12-1972 p.50.
HELP , I believe this is the same car with updated panels and the BDA .
No more known.

BT30-16.
Wheatcroft , Derek BellF2 1970.
To Paul Watson Racing Organisation./ Jeremy Richardson .
for Mallory Park , H'heim, Rouen, Mondello all in 1971.
Chris Townsend has car to Alex Seldon for F/Libre in 1972 , report Motoring News 4-1-1973 p.25

BT30-17.
John Coobes for Jackie Stewart F2, 1970.
John Coombes also for Jack Brabham at Pau and Crystal Palace F2 1970 .
For Bonnier at Mantorp Park 30-8-1970.
For U.S.A. driver in Europe Mike Goth at Imola 27-9-1970.
Paul Watson Racing Org. for Goth at H'heim 11-10-1970 ,
would also be the car ''used '' at the infamous Israel G.P.
Also Jolly Club for Silvio Moser at Jarama 16-5-1971. Renta?????

BT30-18.
Automobile Club Argentina / Carlos Reutemann F2 , 12-4-1970 , Hockenheim.Crystal Palace, Imola, etc.
1971 Reutemann at Mallory and H'heim .
Car retained , and at 20-4-1972 to be sent with others to Argentina to start a race drivers school, along with BT30-19 , BT36-6 and BT36-7.
Some /all still reported in museum in Argentina.

BT30-19.
Automobile Club Argentina/ Benedicto Caldarella at Hockenheim 12-4-1970, and at C'Palace.
Reutemann used at Enna 23-8-1970 .
Damaged at Imola [ not to badly] used BT30-18 in race.
1971 A/CA for Carlos Ruesch at 4-4-1971 .
Thence as per BT30-18.

Next installment soon.
Bryan.

Updates via Andrew Fellowes ,

BT30-10 , now with Jim Gathorcole , U.K.
BT30-12 , Now with James Murray , U.K.

Bryan.

Further update .

Re BT30-10 , I missed reporting Chris Townsend has car to Simon Riley U.K. hillclimbs in 1974 , report via Motoring News 18-4-1974 reported as ex Schenken. page 22.

Bryan.

Continuing.

BT30-20.
Alistair Walker Racing / Robin Widdows.
Then Alistair Walker self at Le Castellet 26-7-1970.
To Bob Howlings A/S 3-9-1970 at Mantorp Park.
Bob Howlings adv. 10-9-1970 p.50 states new April 1970 and for sale as a rolling chassis.
Team Orbist /MRE , Richard Scott 13-9-1970 , Phoenix Park.
Kevin Murphy , Ireland [ Frank Keane drv.]Mondello 11-10-1970.
Brian Cullen Racing Hockenheim 4-4-1971.
Cullen/Murphy , N'ring 5-1971.
Car for sale at the same time Brian Cullen in car at Mondello Pk.
Then Kevin Murphy [ Irish Racing Cars]for Brian Nelson and Patsy McGarrity in 1972.
TO Brian Nelson 1973.
To Bill Gowdy 1973/4. [ David McKinney].

BT30-21.
Scuderia Picchio Rossa , for Enzo Corti at H'heim 12-4-1970.
Corti demolished car at N'ring , and car rebuilt for Le Castellet 26-7-1970 for use by Tino Brambilla [Ernesto].
Name change to North Italian Race Development at Salzburgring 30-8-1970 for Tino Brambilla.
Sold to Brambilla brothers 1-4-1971 A/S p.2
Entrant now Scuderia Ala d'oro 4-4-1971.

Wrecked and writen off at Pau F2 , A/S 6-5-1971 p.10
Confirmed A/S 3-7-1971 p.3.
Australian race mechanic Noel Judd tended these 2 cars during this period and fortunately took photo's of his charges , included is one I have [ Noel lives 10 minutes away from me] of the remains of one of the 2 wrecks literally shovelled into the back of the transporter .
This photo shows a red car.

BT30-22.

Scuderia Jolly Club /Pino Pica at Montjuic Pk. 26-4-1970 F2
Andrea de Adamich C/palace 24-5-1970.
Thence to North Italian Race Developments at Salzburg 30-8-1970.
To Scuderia Ala d'oro H'heim 4-4-1971 for Vittotia Brambilla.
Car wrecked at Nurburgring [ young girl killed in accident]
A/S 20-5-1971 p.5 , confirmed A/S 3-7-1971 p.3
Both this car and BT30-21 ceased to exist.

BT30-23.
Listed as Peter Westbury Thruxton , Pau, C/palace , H'heim,Imola.
For Sale Felday Engineering 4-2-1971 p.51
Westbury at Mallory 14-3-1971 .
Recieved new BT36-5 for N'ring 2-5-1971.

Prob. to either, Osama Masaku or Kuniomi Nagamatsu in Japan, note cannot be both , as both in same race in seperate cars 1972, one reported in BT36 one reported in BT30.

BT30-24.
Team Orbrist .
At C/palace for Howden Ganley A/S 24-5-1970 .
Jean Pierre Jassaud Rouen 28-6-1970 .
Richard Scott at Mantorp Park 30-8-1970.
Team Orbrist for 1971 for Jurg Dubler A/S 17-12-1970.
At H'heim 4-4-1971 .
Then a note to say Dubler to retire to European Hillclimb C/ships untill end of 1971A/S 22-7-1971 p.8
However out again at Imola 25-7-1971 , by Jolly Club..
Car then poss. to Japan for Osama Masuko .
Nothing further.

BT30-25.

Eifelland / Rolf Stommelen at N'ring 3-5-1970 F2.
Then March Engineering for Dieter Quester 4-4-1971 at H'heim.
Back to Eifelland , Hans Stuck Jnr. N'ring 5-71 .
Poss Stommelen at Estoril 21-10-1973 as BT30/36, updated panels again????????????.

BT30-26 .

Alistair Walker new for C/palace 24-5-1970 A/s ,
hired from Gerrard Racing prior to 30-8-1970 .
A/s reports going to Sth. America .
Walker H'heim 4-4-1971 .
Poss for sale Howlings 15-7-1971 or maybe BT 30-20 .
Poss. to Martin Webb.

BT30-27 .

Bob Jane , Australia.
I will define this under BT36 cars .

Bryan.

BT30-8 was the last of the Series 1 BT30s with aluminium side tanks. Bag tanks introduced in 1970

BT30-16 ex Derek Bell, bought by Lincoln Small from Ted Walker in 1986? Still owned by him (they are joined at the hip)

Bryan

I too think that 30-4 is a misprint as far as Ec.Ecosse use is concerned.

BT30-15 some clarification is at hand. The Salisbury BT35 is a different car. Salisbury races the BT30 at the Boxing Day '71 meeting at Brands. I think that this is the car that goes to Martin Webb. The BT35 is retained by Gerard until '73 then Harry Gilbert. 1975 John Wingfield, 1976 John Thistlethwaite for Tim Wood

Have one problem BT30. Tony Griffiths is hillclimbing one in 1970 which is maybe 30-2. [The McDowell -Jennings car is BT30X-1 the 4wd car] This car passes via Spencer Elton to Woodise.

Chris

Some updating etc:

BT30/15
I too have this going to Martin Webb
Present owner: Bob Salisbury (GB)

BT30/20
Michael Baudoin, France, about ten years ago

BT30/24
Gérard Gamand, France, about ten years ago

BT30/25
apparently dismantled in 1970s by the then German owner. Offered at auction by Coys at Essen 2002

BT30/26
Present owner: Julian Majzub (GB)

I have the Griffiths hillclimb “BT30Y” going to Spencer Elton 1971-72, then David Render 1973-74

The ex-Gerard/Salisbury BT35 was regularly raced by Nick Overall in HSCC events late ‘80s/early ‘90s

Chris/David.

Many thanks , I managed to totally disregard my own notes , as I also had Griffiths car to Spencer Elton A/S 18-2-1971 P.4 and reported as fitting BDA , advert says car built April 1970.

Will do an update , where are we list in due course.
Is it to much to believe that David McKinney's report of BT30-15 as now with Bob Salisbury, is this perhaps the same Robert[Bob] Salisbury ex. Gerrard.????

Had only last night after posting , decided that the Salisbury BT30 and BT35 would be two seperate entities, purely down to the wording of one adv. in period, which I revisited. So I will seperate the BT35 out .

Thank You Bryan.

OK Bryan, one day we'll get to the 36's (cart horse before the Lord Mayors Show?)

BT30-17, Paragon USA 2003 ex Jackie Stewart
BT30-20, Paragon USA 2003 with French History

Andrew

Originally posted by Bryan Miller

Is it to much to believe that David McKinney's report of BT30-15 as now with Bob Salisbury, is this perhaps the same Robert[Bob] Salisbury ex. Gerrard.????

One and the same, I believe.
Though, as you can probably tell by the fact that my records tend to peter out about ten years ago, I am not as close to this particular racing scene as I used to was

2 Updates, thanks goes to Ian Henderson.

BT30-11, John Watson, now David McLaughlin UK
BT30-25, Rolf Stommelen, now David Worrad UK & being restored.

I owned BT35X-2 after my BT30. It ended up with a BDA engine and was used by Shaun Mooney in Euro F2. Tony Griffiths I beleive ordrered and received a BT30 but as it was to be used on the "hills" it was designated an "X" No by Brabhams. I also owned the BT30X It was basically a modified BT23 fitted with 23 Bodywork to take the 2 Litre V8 Climax. It was later fitted with a Buick and even later was "cloned" into 2 Cars.

Before I venture to BT36 territory , sorry Andrew , I needed to advise a few things.

The Mike Lawrence book , of which Ron T. was quite complimentary about to me at Eastern Creek a few weeks ago has production lists , I also have , which Mike probably used , thought Ron T. 3 very large sheets apparently commisioned by Bernie E. some time after he purchased Brabhams, and these sheets , painstakingly done in hand , give details in regard to model number , production volume , tracks , wheelbases , fuel tankage ,etc.etc.
Mostly appears the same in the Lawrence book.

If we take the production figures for the cars we are discussing , we get .

BT30 ,1969 , F2 , 26 off , which seems correct as we have numbers 1-12 and 14-27 , gives 26 off .
BT30X , 1969 .H.C. 2 off , but fuel tanks are listed as 20 galls.Both cars with Cosworth FVC according to sheets.

Bryan.

OK Bryan, back to the cart horse thing again. YeHa.

BT30-15 now with Richard Kendle UK(thanks James) and BT30-3 now with Mike Caromdy East Coast USA(thanks Ian).

That now gives 18 of the 26 BT30s reasonably well accounted for (if you accept the trashed ones have not done a Lazarus). And that in just 3 days. Recent race results suggest that there are a couple more in the States, same again in Europe and at least one in Japan. What may be more difficult is the 'who did what' bit given that BT30 drivers seem to have been very promiscous in 1970.
All very worthwhile & rewarding stuff, Andrew

David McKinney thinks I should know so...BT30 number 11 has now been added to David Brown's Brabham stable and BT 30 number 15 has been restored by its original drver Bob Salisbury this year and is owned by Richard Kendle.

1 more located;

BT30 ex Howden Ganley (30-24?) Gerard Cerny France

Other stuff, just before the BT36's, but will include some.

BT29-23 FB Cosworth FVC , entered in Tasman by Fred opert Racing for Evan Noyes as 1850cc.
At the 36th. Australian G.P. 21-11-1971 , Warwick Farm , now with Graeme Lawrence [ N.Z. ] but called a BT30 FVC 1800cc. Used by Lawrence around S.E. Asia , to David Sharp N.Z. at least before 1988 , still retained and for sale on internet.

Japan Brabham entities.

At least one is easy , Noritake Takahara in BT 36-12 in the Tasman Series early 1973.

In Japan. Japanese G.P. 3-5-1972 also has Takahara albeit with a Mitsubishi eng.
In 1973 , Japan, 3-5-1973 .
Bellco Racing Team , Kuniomu Nagamatsu BT36 , Mitsubishi R39B-11.
Bellco Racing Team , Osama Masuko BT30 , Mitsubishi R39B-11.
Noritake Takahara BT36 , Ford BDA.

At 11-11-1973 , Japan still Takahara and Nagamatsu.
By May 1974 Takahara is in his March 742 .
At Fuji , 28-7-1974 we now have Yoshimasa Kawaguchi in BT36 BDA , being a suspicious type could be ex. Takahara BT36-12???.
At the J.A.F. G.P 3-11-1974 .
Yoshimasa Kawaguchi - BT36 Ford BDA.
Kikuo Kaira - BT36 Ford BDA.

At the Japanese G.P. 3-5-1975.
Shigeaki Asaoka - BT36-Ford BDA.note Nagamatsu now in March 742.
At Fuji 13-7-1975 , Shigeaki Asaoka BT36-12 [ F1R ].

At I Nishinihon Formula Champion Race 1-5-1977.
Kiyoshi Misaki BT36- Cosworth FVA, and also 5-6-1977 at Fuji.

Lunch Time.

Bryan.

Macau.

All references Philip Newsome from his book Colour and Noise.Except ch.no. notes.

16-11-1969.
A Poon BT30-5 , ex. Piers Courage.
29-11-1970 .
Poon retains , but damaged in practice and uses BT21 in race.
21-11-1971.
Poon still reatains.
26-11-1972.
A Poon BT30-5 .
J.McDonald BT36 - photo shows very Rondel style nose.
R. Ohkubo , BT28.
18-11-1973.
A. Poon Brabham F2. ??????????????
McDonald in a BT40 , BT36 to ?????????????
K. Misaki , BT30 .
T.Cheng , BT30.

1-12-1974.
Poon and McDonald both now in BT40's.
T. Cheng , BT30.
K. Misaki BT30.

16-11-1975.

Misaki now in BT 40.
J. Ho , BT30.

20-11-1977.

J. Ho in a Brabham. ?????

No more entities further.

I really didn't know where to place this .

BT30-27 .

Ordered by Bob Jane [ Australia ] but delayed delivery due to engine complications , and when finally ex. factory 23-3-1971 with FT200-452 seems to be a full BT36.
Autosport refers to car in Tasman report as BT30/36 .
Driven by John Harvey in Tasman 1972 , fitted with 2.0 Waggott TC/4V eng.
To Autocourse / Denis Lupton / Ian Cook , with a ford twin-cam. Alot more details , however now with Peter Johnson Sydney Australia.2003.

Bryan.

David.

As always , thank you.

I would like to see the trail of the French ex. Auto. Club Argentina car, BT36-6/-7.
In Australia , if the car was ex. Argentina , and ex. the museum , we would be requiring Bill of Sale at the very least.
Looks like we will have to keep an eye on that one.

I will get back to you re. BT36-1 's adverts. as I just went to check A/S and the Tate adv. is there , but not the Wayne , so I made a typo. re. date and need to check.

To anybody following this thread , I just loved the F1R REASON why a certain driver did not appear in his BT35 BDA at the Nurburgring round of the F2 C/ship 29-4-1973.
Entrant R. James .. Drv. Roy James , DNS. driver in prison.

Bryan.

More updates.

In the Singapore G.P. report 26-4-1973 , Kiyoshi Misaki is reported in the ex. Kazato BT30 , fitted with a Toyota Celica T/C motor.
Misaki we already knew about , however this is the first ref. to Kazato.
Misaki still has a/some cars into 1977, but by then being called as BT36, or he has sold BT30 and purchased BT36.

Confirmed that at the virtually same time as Martin Webb in his ex. Gerrard BT30 FVA at S/stone sprints , 2-11-1972 , Robert Salisbury is offering for sale the BT35. A/S 23-11-1972.

Bryan.

BT30-3 , Jim Charnock , using car all the way up to 2-10-1975 , A/S . p.56.
Still leaves big time gap up untill Chris Mann is reported with car 1983.

Very interesting advert. by Bob Howlings/Cheshire Sports Cars A/S. 26-8-1976 , and 7-10-1976 , BT30 FVA for sale , unused for the last 4 years.

Bryan.

Further update on BT30-11, or described as ex John Watson actually.
For sale A/S. 26-1-1978 p.54.
BT30 ex. John Watson , rolling chassis , superb condition , for sale.

Can anybody advise what BT30 Jim Johnstone , fitted FVA was using in hills circa mid 1978.

Confusing advert. A/S 11-5-1978 , BT30 and BT38 , brand new rolling chassis for sale , I think the adv. refers to only the BT38 as brand new.

Bryan.

Originally posted by Bryan Miller
Can anybody advise what BT30 Jim Johnstone , fitted FVA was using in hills circa mid 1978.
No, but Chris Seaman hillclimbed it with a BDA for ten years or so from 1983

And I'm sure I don't need to provide a word of caution re Bobby Howlings. He had lots of small single-seaters at any one time, and I rather got the impression he raced whatever was in stock

The table below is taken from my files of HSCC Pre ’71 entries & results. I have attempted to list which year driver & car first appeared. (I have no results for 1984 as I took that year off).
Can anyone add the missing chassis numbers to the following for me?

1985
BT30-6 Jim Wallis, Brands Hatch (also raced a M19A McLaren that year)
BT30-? Marcus King, Thruxton, & if I remember correctly dark green & wingless
BT30-3 Chris Mann, Snetterton.

1986
BT30-8 Andrew Fellowes, Oulton Park,

1990
BT30-? Michael Baudoin at the Nuerburgring on the 9th August.

I was trotting around paddocks with my little notebook throughout the period, but can't add as much as I hoped I might:

1985
BT30-6 Jim Wallis, Brands Hatch (also raced a M19A McLaren that year)
BT30-20 Marcus King, Thruxton, & if I remember correctly dark green & wingless
BT30-3 Chris Mann, Snetterton.

1986
BT30-8 Andrew Fellowes, Oulton Park,

1990
BT30-20 Michael Baudoin at the Nuerburgring on the 9th August.

David.

I went and looked at earlier post by yourself, as you were posting.

You reported in Swiss Hillclimbs 1971, Euro F3 in 1972-3, and Small 1988-1994, thence sale by Overall in 1997 .

So we have a long trail , I will have to do a complete rebuild on all the ch.nos. in our posts etc. so I don't make the same mistake again.
So we are still back to not having a ch.no. for Salisbury/ Gerrard car , and if you did not note it easily in the paddock, maybe the plate has gone A.W.O.L.

When I started this I was aware the BT35's were going to be a nuisance, but never did I think they would be so intertwined, and it appears more so now in Historic in 2000's

Andrew, this suggests that Lincoln Small had two cars at the same time, as you reported earlier Lincoln purchased BT30-16 via Ted Walker in 1986 and retains today.
Bryan.

If it helps, I have Small in the BT35 up to 1994, and the first time I saw him with BT30-16 was May 1995.

Jeremy.

Thank you, probably racing BT35 untill BT30 ready to re-enter the fray.

Small had the BT30 in 1994, though whether he raced it that year I'm not sure
Your "probabilty" theory isn't quite right, Bryan. He was a regular competitor in HSCC events with the BT35, and bought the BT30 to compete in the FIA European F2 series (though as I remember was never a regular competitor in it)
And before someone asks, the BT35 raced (once?) by Laurence Edscer in 1994 was Small's. It was also raced that year, still in Small's ownership, by someone whose name I didn't note - John someone?

I went to see Lincoln's ex Derek Bell BT30 in 1986(?) at his house. (sensible man has a coffee machine in every room) His garage was one to die for, room to fit several cars and decorated to match. He never raced the Bell car in pre 71 in the 80's because he regarded it as too much to risk in that series.

He has just moved house and when settled will be going through his files for us. This is the car that is listed in the FORCE series, I assume the same as the one you refer to David, unless he he has more than one!!!

Time for a recap on the BT30's.

BT30-1, Written off in period.
-2, not recorded since 1970's
-3, U.S.A. 2003
-4, not recorded since 1970's
-5, S.E. Asia 1970's
-6, Australia 2003
-7, not recorded since 1970's
-8, U.S.A. 2003
-9, not recorded since 1970's
-10, U.K. 2003
-11, U.K. 2003
-12, U.K. 2003
-13, not built
-14, poss. U.S.A since circa 1992.
-15,U.K. 2003
-16, U.K. 2003
-17, U.S.A 2003
-18, Argentina ???
-19, Argentina ??? one of the 2 above poss.France.
-20, U.S.A. 2003
-21, Written off in period.
-22, Written off in period
-23, not recorded since 1970's
-24, France 2003
-25, U.K. 2003
-26, U.K. 2003.

That makes 13 def. with one in 1990's in U.S.A =14.

Have I missed anything.
I have 1 more in the U.K. at the moment , but no. ch. no. as yet.

Bryan.

Forget the ref. to BT30-18 or -19 . as poss. in France.

Agree with all that
I have a note that Fabio Montani, Italy, was offering BT30/7 for sale in September 1997, and have added “see also BT36” alongside. But I can’t find any cross-reference under my BT36 notes! Grrrrr!
Also last date I have for BT30/26 in UK (or anywhere else) is 2000

David.

Thank you very much. I will do the same for BT35 serious type cars soon, i.e. non F3 .

As we already know of BT35-44 in the U.K. , the Mickel car, which was stated to be brand new for the hills in March 1972 , we would at least in the case of BT35 series cars at least , obviously have more cars than either the Lawrence book or my Brabham sheets indicate.
In the case of the 35's , 41 cars off , and we certainly know of -44 , and I have no reason to disbelieve the -47 report , so discounting the usual -13 ch. no. we have what appears to be 46 entities at least in the BT35 series.

I wonder out aloud if we have similar in the case of the 30's and 36's , look what happened to BT30-27 in period.

As is usual some of the cars would have in some way or another been ''cloned '' in period.

For instance we have over here a BT23 [ not logbooked and very unlikely to ever be ], which an ex Brabham employee pulled out of the dead frame stack at the works , repaired and built up and returned to Australia with circa 1972.
In this case it all appears so period, because it is, but all it is, is a dead frame plus parts that to my knowledge has never been used since .

That is probably one of many of similar things that happened in period. I suppose I am just listing this sort of thing so as to alert people.

We will also have a few 'ring-ins ' via BT28's updated bodywork wise when the rules changed , the first car I can think of is the Tom Belso car, which in period was called a BT28/35 in the Atlantic series in 1971 , so if the car has lost it's ch.plate , or the subsequent owners didn't know or care , it could become a de-facto BT35 , I am not suggesting it did happen to that car , just a plausible scenario.

BT30's, some more are going to still exist , it is that we don't know where they are at this point in time.

Bryan.

BT30-5 I looked for in 1986 and gave up when I was told that it had been trashed when in Hong Kong -but this is unconfirmed.

All.

I had a look at the final results for the Euro F2 Series, and the following cars and drives are as below.

BT30 , Sepp Mayer , Denmark.
BT36 , Christian Geoffroy , France, BT36-20 ??????????
BT35 , Peter Shaw , U.K.
BT35 , Nick Read , U.K.
BT35 , Duncan Dayton , USA/UK , BT35-7 ??????????????
BT35 , Roy Walzer , ???.

Can anybody assist with identification.?

Bryan.

Nobody has a number for the Danish BT30 , ??

Bryan.

I have this ref. for a BT30 in Japan recently.
http://www.tim.hi-ho.ne.jp/tiare/SCCJ.htm
Brabham Bt30 in Green Flag F Class

Andrew. Thanks.

I did not know where to go from here , as I have been looking in 1978/9/80 etc. Autosports , and while a few cars are advertised , such as one by Amco Racing , using a Rondell Photo , to sell what they call a BT30, it is impossible to relate any of the references to a ch.no.
One car in 1979 is for sale as a BT30 , chassis , body , and other bits and pieces, sounds like it has been cannibalised, if we only knew what ch.no. it was , at least we could say , broken up or something similar, and was it really a BT30 anyway , by the time the cars get to that state the seller is probably not terribly interested in being accurate .

Where to now.
Any identity for the Danish BT30 used in this years F2 series .??????

Bryan.

Sepp Mayer's BT30? (but Germany I think), & no I don't

Ok another one to put to bed, :o

Mitsubishi has a BT30. -when did they get that I wonder? -and which one?

The Chassis No of the Tony Griffith BT29-X is BT29-37. After the crash it was re-chassied as a full BT30. It still carries its BT29 Plate,and lives in a private collection with a BT30.

BT30 .

The car I asked about that was in the hands of Jim Johnstone in 1979 , which David advised went to Chris Seaman in the 1980's , is reported still with him in Sheffield, only problem is we can't put a number to the chassis.

The Chris Seaman car is NOT a BT30,probably a BT28. Going back to BT30s. I have recorded BT30-22 (AM70-106) as being in Italy and was sitting in the Monza Museum in 1991.

So was Seaman's car not the ex-Jimmy Johnstone?
Or was Johnstone's not a BT30 after all?

David I dont think Jimmy Johnstone actually had a BT30

But Johnstone's "whatever" went to Seaman?

Reminds me of the time when the French maritime union was on strike and all the BBC reporter on the 6 o’clock news had to say was;

“French seamen are blockading the Port of Calais”.

The situation rapidly got out of hand, a small snigger turning into complete hysteria, you know the sort of laughter that grows exponentially where the original joke becomes irrelevant.

SORRY,SORRY SORRY,
back to Johnstone's "whatever" went to Seaman? OK Ted, what’s the answer?

and Andrew, Minus 10 points for telling school boy stories on a serous forum.
:p

1.
BT30-1 destroyed Hockenheim 1970
BT30-5 Possibly scrapped Hong Kong post ’71
BT30-21 Wrecked Pau ’71 confirmed scrapped
BT30-22 Wrecked Nurburgring, scrapped.

Ted your Monza Museum 1991 for BT30-22 is interesting, I have always thought that these cars don’t disappear that easily.
How many others of the list above will develop Lazarus symptoms will be interesting to see.

2.
Am I correct that there are now 3 BT30's known to exist that we don't have number for;

BT29-27 co-habits with a BT30
BT30 in Germany,
BT30 in Japan with Mitsubishi

3.
Lastly does any one have contact details for Chris Seaman to confirm type & number & that it came from Johnstone?

Or does anyone know the answer?

(Is that enough penance for interrupting the thread with my last post?)

BT30-17 & BT36-11

This is a very interesting account by Beat Schenker (Silvio Moser's mechanic) for 1971 & how I guess they got a BT30/36.

"25th July 1971 Grandprix city of Imola (I) dns for accident in practice.
Why started practice very well with the slick tires, immediately Firestone stop us, imposing to fit normal tires otherwise no tires for the rest of season. For a wrong prevision Firestone thinks for Imola is better this solution and was without slicks for the others teams. After the tire change Silvio was started for the lancing lap, losing the car on the first corner of the timing lap (Tamburello). Only after taking of the bodywork why was able to sea the bended frame. Wee found sign from mounting tools on one rear tire, reason for tire fails and with this for the damage on the car. Firestone gives us a free tire. We have some problem to find the money for the repair. Like my, Ron Tauranac means best is change the frame and with this was used a BT36 and only the material not damage on the accident. The Swiss custom has never accepted only the dashboard number, and so also in the frame was stamped, by Brabham, the BT30 – 17 numbers and for al the rest of season the inscriptions and custom documents was with this number.

I don’t remember on how we sold the car, on the end of the season."


:rotate: Oh Yah!!!!!

BT30-17

David I see your notes suggest that 30-17 appeared after “17 years with a continental owner” for auction in 1996. That puts it back to ’79.

Quote from Beat Schenker
“I entered in England with ‘carne ATA’ and frame number BT30-17 and sort with the same number. The same in inverse order for the Swiss custom.
I have to find out where the car is going after us.”

I read that to mean that he took the bent chassis and chassis plate 30-17 to the UK & brought back the new chassis & chassis plate 30-17 & plate 36-11 to Switzerland. We also know the chassis plate stayed in Switzerland with the new chassis for the rest of ’71.
I assume that if Ron had suggested that it was not viable to repair the bent chassis there would have been no reason to keep it & it would have been junked.

So now we have 2 chassis plates & one chassis in Switzerland and one (scrapped) chassis & no plates in the UK. Correct?

So who has the chassis with BT30-17 stamped onto it by Brabham? –because the way I read it that is the only true car out of BT30-17 & BT36-11.

The only thing original to the car that does not have this number is the chassis plate its self.

Shades of BT24-3 again.

David? Ted?

Andrew. BT30-17 had a number of special features fitted to it by the John Coombes team at J.Y Stewarts request.I tracked this car down to an English owner living in Switzerland. It still had these features fitted . The car came back to the UK and the same owner had the chassis "restored" and the restorer REMOVED these parts thinking they were non original. The car was auctioned at one of the Coys Silverstones. I assume that Mosers mechanic is saying that they used the carnet from the BT30 on the BT36 ?????

Apologies for the double post, teach me not to use the back arrow. I will do this post in two parts.

Ted, what you are suggesting is entirely possible but let me go through the events, & yes, Silvio’s car carried on for the rest of ’71 as BT30-17 because all that remained of the first car was a totally bare chassis. It surely ceased to exist as a car ‘till 1996?

So to recap;

Ron Tauranac advises that it is not viable to repair the chassis & to buy a new one.

Beat removes all reusable bits from BT30-17, he travels to the UK with the bare bent chassis under the carnet for BT30-17

Beat returns to Switzerland with a new bare chassis to BT36 spec with some new parts. This chassis is stamped with BT30-17 as well as having the BT30-17 chassis plate and the new plate BT36-11 which is presumably in Beat’s pocket.

English & Swiss customs are none the wiser that Silvio has in fact bought a new chassis. The car carries the identity of BT30-17 for the rest of the season.

The original bare bent chassis, with AM number but no chassis plate is left with Ron Tauranac.

Someone then decides that the original chassis is worth souveniring . This chassis has no chassis plate, no suspension, no wheels, no body work, nothing at all.
This is the remains of BT30-17 but please remember that the chassis plate is being used on another frame in the genuine belief that the original chassis is redundant.

Sometime between 1971 & 1996 the bent chassis is taken to Switzerland.

By 1996 it is after all worth repairing.

All the parts are bought or have been bought, radiator, suspension, shocks, wheels, steering rack, instruments, bodywork , engine & gearbox.

The chassis is returned to the UK for the second time, still bent, where Coombs alterations are removed, and all the new parts assembled. The car then runs for the first time since 1971 as BT30-17 but without the chassis plate to say so.
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Now this is where I need some help. My memory of carnets is that they can list all identifying chassis marks on them. Its possible that the carnet for BT30-17 had the AM number as well. So;

1.Does the new BT36 chassis carry the same AM numbers as the first BT30 chassis?

2. What Coombs alterations are you referring to?

3. Who has the chassis plate BT30-17, Silvio Moser’s widow?

4. How did the bent frame of BT30-17 get to your friend in Switzerland?

5. Without a chassis plate, how is it possible to know that the BT30 chassis that Bob Baker now owns in the States is the bent one that Beat returned in ’71?

Another Quote from Beat that shows as far he was concerned there only ever was one car.

“Some were can help my, for the full history of the Brabham BT30 – 17 formula 2.
I have it’s retired by Brabham 1971 with a new Cosworth FVA engine.
After the Imola practise crash, for a bad tyre, we changed the bend frame always with a BT36 type (by Brabham), but still with the original number (custom).
I don’t remember on how we sold the car, on the end of the season.
Must by the car used by Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart in the 1970 season.”

So, to all those wiser than me in these things, Is the discarded frame still a car?

This is getting out of hand.BT36-11 was inspected last night by its new owner.He reported back to me with the Arch Motors No.The AM Nos on BT36s are in a totally different sequence to other cars.He was worried when he read it out as "its not the same as our BT30". The No he read out was the COrrect one for his BT36. There is no other number stamped anywhere else he could find.A lot of BT30s were called BT30/36 because of the rule change regarding cockpit widths brought for 1971. This meant that if you raced in Int F2 you had to fit a BT36 cockpit top. When I bought my BT30-16 It still had its 36 top on it.

You had more chance of an entry and you also received more start money if you turned up with a 'this years ' car. Remember the race organisers didn't checked chassis numbers in period. Other than usual scrutineering (which by the way was often unusual!!) there were no checks.

Ted

I'm baffled by this, mainly because I haven't memorised everything on the preceding five pages. So do we now have both BT36-11 and BT30-17: two separate cars owned by seprate people in 2003? And do both show physical signs of being genuine original cars? If so, are we summising that the original BT30-17 frame was repaired and sold out the back door of MRD?

Allen

Ted.
What do you mean when you say the AM no.is in a different sequence to the others ?
I know what BT35-8's AM no. is , and also BT30/36 BT30-27.

If I understand correctly , it appears that Moser's car was stuffed and they recieved on Ron T's advice a BT36 frame to rebuild their BT30-17 , however to ''assist '' in border crossing the car was retained on it's original carnet, and as the Swiss Customs people were more diligent than others , that there may have been some numbers supplied to help.

We have two scenarios available here, and the simple answer lies in finding out if the whole damaged BT30-17 returned to the works in the U.K. or if a new BT36 chassis and presumably other lesser components were dispatched to Moser in Switzerland.

If the former , there is no way the old dead chassis is going to return to Switzerland , as it would complicate customs.
AM numbers were put on by Arch Motors not Brabhams , so did Mosers mechanics add another number elsewhere to assist customs entry , because we know the AM no. on the BT30 is going to be AM70-?, and the AM no. on the 36 is going to be AM71-?, and that is not going to be helpful at the border.

As we appear to have one BT30 dead , and a BT36 , with it's own number i.e , BT36-11 , and recorded as such by F1R , which is used to rebuild the dead BT30 , really one assumes BT30 ceased to exist at that point in time, and BT36-11 took over.

Therefore at what point in time did BT30 resurface and under what circumstances.
Only two scenarios are poss. , out the back door from Brabhams in 1971 , if the car was rebuilt by them, and I for one would love to see a verifyable trail on that.
Or the BT36 new chassis was sent to Switzerland and the dead BT30 lay doggo for an indeterminate length of time and then resurfaces, surely at that point only a rusty chassis.
I would love to see a verifyable trail on that as well , but more importantly what are the AM numbers on both these cars, as I don't understand your reference to a different sequence.

In regard to the body panels , that is why at the start of this thread I expanded on that , as it was always going to complicate matters.

Andrew.
To answer your question , re. the frame , in OZ apart from one memorable stuff-up , the old dead frame is no more than another consumed component , along with wheels brake pads , uprights , and everything else that has either worn out or been crash damaged.

Beat says that after Imola the new frame was in the car , but always with the old number , not according to F1R.
Rouen 27-6-1971 , Moser has BT30-17 , and is on the grid.
Imola 25-7-1971 , Moser has BT36-11, but does not start due to crash.
Entered for Mantorp Park , but dns , car not ready, HOWEVER , car entered as BT30 .
At Tulln , dns , car not ready , but entered as BT36.

At Albi , on the grid , but did not qualify , but F1R records as BT36-11, also at Hochenheim, and at Vallelunga, 10-10-1971 and 17-10-1971.

F1R is saying at Imola Moser already had BT36-11 , is this a serious typo , or did Moser have two cars the old BT30-17 , and the BT36-11 and damaged BT30-17 , and Ron replaced that with a BT36 chassis into the BT30-17 , by the sound of it , Moser was struggling to pay for the new chassis and bits , so unlikely he had two, therefore F1R may be wrong.

Something is all wrong here.

Bryan.

F1R's Imola info must surely be wrong. Either that or Beat's story is completely wrong.

Allen

Quite right Allen as Id been trying to say. Ive seen both cars in the flesh. A BT36 Chassis is NOTHING like a BT30 frame. The 36 chassis has its correct arch motors number and so has BT30-17. The BT30 chassis when blasted showed no signs of MAJOR repair work and certainly did not have plated top tubes and provision for in board rear brakes as a BT36.

Brian the AM NO on a BT36 is not AM71- Something thats what I mean by a special sequence of numbers. Its AM SOMETHING-71 I suppose arch motors must have had a "new man" on the stamps that week !!!!!

Ok now this may go part way to an answer.

Beat has told me today that the car they bent at Imola was a BT36 but with BT30-7 chassis plate and number stamped into it.

Ted your comment that BT30-17 had no signs of damage would support this.

They took the bent BT36 frame back to the UK where Tauranac said it wasn't worth repairing and sold them another.

So, given this update it now looks as though 30-17 was retired at some point in '71 and for customs the idendity put on the new BT36. This new BT36 is then crashed and replaced with another 36 chassis, both running under the original carnet for 30-17.

Beat finishes by saying they never raced a BT36 with a BT36 plate on it. They always used the 30 plate. Thats not what the press reported, but the paperwork used for the race entry might not been the same as used for border crossing especially if there was a financial insentive to enter it as a 36.

Did chassis numbers get checked at the the race track by the race organisers to see if it matched the paperwork?

The press after all would have been given the list of entries by the race organisers.

I am well out of my depths now, can anyone add to this?

footnote, There must have been a point where 30-17 is recorded by Swiss customs with a double entry. Maybe they did not cross check such things. I know I did this once with a carnet without any resulting problems.

Hooray ,Hooray,I hate to say Itold you so.......Sanity is alive and well and living in AUSTRALIA .Whats next ????

OK, OK, :banghead:

but I am very pleased that we have revealed a bit more history that could so easily have been lost.

Whats next??? -a very large Jack Daniels & coke for me thanks

:beer:

BT30-17.

1 . Entered for Mallory Pk. no ch. no. report as car not back from Bogota.
2 . Hockenheim , Moser reported in ex John Coombs/Mike Goth BT30 , did not appear , car not ready.
3 . Thruxton , as above.
4 . Pau , did not start , did not enter.
5 . Nurburgring , as above.
6 . Jarama , ent. reported as BT30-17 , 1.29.4 , 9th finish.
Report of above entries states, Moser in Swiss Jolly Club recently acquired ex.-John Coombs/Jackie Stewart/Jack Brabham/Mike Goth BT30-17. ''Big Silv''has acquired considerable sponsorshp from Marlboro Cigarettes and the car is now turned out in a violent shade of emerald green.
7 . London Trophy , Crystal Palace , heat 1 50.0 , Brabham-FVA BT30-71, not my typo.
Heat 1 , 1st. Moser . push started in final and finished 7th.
8 . Vallelunga , BT30-17[ F1R], BT30 Autosport.
In practice Moser lost it[ poss. gearbox lockup] at 140 mph , bounced along the Armco and came to rest with the chassis badly tweaked at the back, did not start.
9 . Monza , BT30-17 [F1R] BT30 Autosport , DNQ.
10 . Rouen , Autosport BT30/17 , FIR BT30-17, Moser in heat 2, 10th., F1R say 11th.
Strangly no report in either of Moser in final , or why he dns , he had two stops for eng. problems in his heat, so perhaps could not fix.
11 . Imola , Autosport entry , Moser in his BT36 with Novamotor mill, F1R Brabham BT36 - BT36-11.
''Moser went quite well on Friday morning at 1.39.17 , but completely lost it during the afternoon session in the long lefthander after the pits and quite wrote off the BT36 which is almost becoming a habit with him.''
12 . Mantorp Park ent. in BT30 , but car not repaired [ F1R] , no report in Autosport.
13 . Tulln-Langenlebarn.
Ent. as BT36 , car not ready F1R. Autosport report Moser did not arrive as his new BT36 is not ready yet.
14 . Albi, Autosport report Moser's transporter broke down for the final BT36[11] entered , and he missed 1st. practice. F1R report car as BT36-11 .
15 . Hockenheim , F1R Brabham BT36 , BT36-11.
Autosport , Moser bought along his Nova powered BT36, finished 4th. BT36 - Moser.
16 . Vallelunga , F1R Brabham BT36-11. Autosport reports other BT36's for Peter Westbury and Silvio Moser.
17 . Vallelunga , 1 week later , F1R Brabham BT36 , BT36-11.
Autosport say the only other BT36 was for Silvio Moser entered by Jolly Club .
18 . Interlagos , car ent. as Brabham BT36 , but car did not arrive , as driver resting.


As I said earlier somethings not right.

Bryan.

I have photographs I took of Moser at C Palace in June 71 in the BT30 with 36 Top and all the stewart Mods.

I wonder if he bent the BT30 at Rouen. Ted - do your MNs make any mention of him?

Or maybe it was just time for a new car.

Allen

Lottery GP monza June 17th ish. "Moser had stuck his ex Coombs BT30 back together after itspractice shunt at Rome due to a broken rose joint in the rear upright" M News.

So, the calander looked like this????

May 16th Jarama, BT30
May 31st Crystal Palace BT30
June 13th Vallelunga BT30 accident
June 20th Monza BT30
June 27th Rouen BT30
July 25th Imola BT36 accident
August 8th Mantrop BT30 did not arrive
August 22nd Kinnekullering -
August 30th Brands Hatch -
September 12th Tulln-Langenlebarn BT36 did not arrive
September 26th Albi BT36
October 3rd Hockenheimring BT36
October 10th Vallelunga BT36
October 17th Vallelunga BT36

BT30-17, Last race, Rouen, June 27th, 1971
5 races in total.

BT36-11 Mk1, 1st Race (& last) Imola, July 25th 1971
Imola seems late in the year to get a new car, but if money was not an issue why not. (There was only one more chassis built after 36-11.)

BT36-11 Mk2, 1st Race, Albi, September 26th 1971
(4 races)

Thats 10 races Moser went to in 71 which is only 3 less than Schenken. Have I missed any?

Andrew. Im sure they wanted it before then. Brabhams always seemed very bad on delivery of customer cars,unlike March.

A bit like 1969 & the BT30 Ted? Why were they so slow, it wasn't exactly a difficult car to build?

I think it was something to do with , you want a car you put a serious deposit down, and you pay for it before it leaves the works.
YPF had only taken del. of their 2 cars about mid season as well , apparently if people were not correct with their payments work stopped.
The previous year it was a matter of delivery of the new regulations requirement of bag tanks , and del.of these was slow.

Ted , where and when did Moser's 2 cars surface again after 1971/2.

Bryan.

BT30-21 & 22 1971
Brambilla Inc. –You build them, we bend them.


It was reported earlier that both these cars were scrapped in period. The records however show that after the accident at Pau, with Vittorio on March 25th ’71, both cars turned up at Nurburgring where Vittorio then has another go and looks like he was successful this time.

Did the same car get bent both times by Vittorio or did they swap chassis?

By Crystal Palace on May 31st they still had a BT30 and turned up plus a March 712.
(By Monza the surviving BT30 had also been replaced with a March 712. At Mantorp Tino tries a Tecno and reverts to a March at Vallelunga. )

That explains how come Ted saw BT30-22 at the Monza Museum. A very lucky car!

Nop, still wrong. Once again there was a 3rd chassis. Thats the 2nd time I have been caught out!

Tino wanted to build engines so handed his entry at Pau to Vittorio who 'bounced off armco to armco'. End of BT30-21

Vittorio then goes into the crowd at Nurburgring with his own car, end of BT30-22.
Autosport says Tino had the ex Picchi car BT30-6 but I am sure this should read BT30-4.

So what is the Monza Museum car? 22 with a new chassis? Unlikely as the chassis is last years from the AM number, but possible.
Is it BT30-4? Again wrong AM number.
I'll go with new chassis taken out of last years stock, unless someone can tell me otherwise?

The German BT30 is the car of Sepp Mayer (sitting next to a BT28).
Had a brief look at it a year ago but I cannot find any trace of a chassis number in my notes. I was told the car came from Italy. Has clear BT36 features: bodywork, inboard rear brakes, hollow A/R bars.
Fitted with Hart BDA on carbs.

Originally posted by phdm

BT36-11 : is this the car that Alain Filhol used in 92 in Euro F2 before it went to Roncchi in Italy ? [/B]

David I believe this is now in the Murray stable with BT30-12

The BT30 in Japan I hope to be able to give a chassis number to in a couple of weeks.

Andrew

phdm. Thank you very much and wellcome.

The car I am still struggling with is BT30-17 , as Ted Walker reports that no apparent accident damage when car returned to U.K. for restoration , yet Moser stuffs it into the Armco resulting in Autosport reporting severe rear frame damage .

Bryan.

I have some additional period history for BT30-8

I have long puzzled over the BT36 that appears in one Silverstone Atlantic race in 1974 with Peter Vincent at the wheel.

Then I found these adverts in Autosport

20.1.72 'BT30 raced by Reid last year' P.Vincent, Cranberry Lodge Garage, Bryn, Nr. Wigan

and

5.6.75 'BT30 with 36 suspension' P.Vincent, Wigan

So, Vincent buys 30-8 off Reid at the end of 1971, doesn't sell it, and instead puts 36 suspension on it [hence calling it a 36 in 1974] and finally disposes of it in '75

Any help to anyone?

Chris

Chris many thanks for the 30-8 update. For me of course its especially interesting as I had that car for several years.
I wonder what they up dated to 36 spec? The suspension pick up points are different on 30 to a 36 but as I never measured them I had assumed it was pure BT30. The rear frame was standard BT30 box section with out board brakes, I had the top rear cross member changed to make it detachable like the 36. The work was done by the lads that made the chassis originally.
The chassis had been wrapped around a tree hill climbing and the starter motor fouled on the near side rear upright so I had it scalloped to allow clearance. Driven near the limit it got quite twitchy unlike the 36 I now own which is very placid by comparison. Yet it all looked straight.
It must be a rare 30 in that it still retains the aluminium fuel tanks.

Chris, thanks again & I will pass that on to its owner in the States who I know will appreciate the information, -he has all my files on the car!! -I wish I had kept copies!

Andrew

Chris.

Isn't it strange , last night Andrew and I were each working away at every adv. in Autosport , Andrew 1974 , and myself 75/6 , and then emailing to Ian Henderson , so he could figure his cars history out better.

One of the adverts. was 5-6-1975 , p56.

Brabham BT30 with 36 suspension, replated , repainted, new nose , overhauled FT200, 2 sets 10s and 14s, 7 assorted Firestone B47's, set B36 wets, plus set 7 and 10 revolutions with inters , 1200.00 the lot P . Vincent , Byfleet 42266 [ bus ] , Loxwood 752315 [ home ].
Guess this is BT30-8. Another bit of the jigsaw.

BT30-14 , I checked with Brian Wilson the other day , and he did indeed sell car to Art Valdez in the U.S.A , and as far as Brian is aware Art still retains car.
Brian and I then kicked each other in penance.

Regards Bryan.

Bryan, I thought I had seen the name from one of the ads you found in A/S for Ian yesterday.

This doesn't help much but perhaps some one else can!

John Hardesty drove a BT36 in F Libre in '74, and the add you found, 10-7-75 BT36 ex John Hardesty with racing services 2.0 alloy , ft200 , will split

It could be 3, 9 or 10.

It can't be 2, 5, 8, 11 or 12.

1, 4, 6 & 7 are unlikely but possible.

74 is the same year that Jose Arauyo was racing a BT36 in Atlantic.

The options are are slowly reducing!!
Andrew

I see I'm pretty late in getting involved here. First a brief intro:

My name is David Irwin, I owned a restoration shop, Lime Rock Motors for 15 years in Connecticut. I've restored about 15 Brabhams, have owned several and have vintage raced since 1989. Recently moved to Virginia, bought some property where I'm putting up a small shop (3200 sq. ft.) while I work for ProtoType Technology Group restoring vintage racing BMW's owneds by BMW of N.A.

Here are some Brabham's I've had contact with:


BT30-7 David Irwin bought car from Fabio Montani, from ad, 1997, frame modified, but car complete, Restored frame to original specs, car restored by Lime Rock Motors, FVA/FT200. Car formerly one of the Jolly Club cars restored in period markings, I have more info on this car, just can't seem to find it. Sold to present owner Bary Marquart 1998.

BT30-20 UK to Fred Harris 1995, restored and raced by Lime Rock Motors, FVA/FT200, Sold to Mike Taradash 2001?, sold to present owner Bob Baker 2001. Crashed in 2002? restored by JR Mitchell.

Hope this helps fill in some gaps for you. Keep up the good work, this info should help many in the future. David Irwin

Arch Motors Numbers & Initials

After the Arch motor number are often initials. These were the initials of the guys who made that chassis.

Can anyone put names to the initials?

I know a couple of employees from 69 to 71 period set up on their own near Kimbolton (‘cause they did work for me) but I have long since lost their address, -indeed they may well have retired.

When I sold 30-8 I was able to supply the names to match the initials. Nice. Can anyone help?

Andrew

Have just joined this forum and am amazed and delighted to see the interest and enthusiasm here!

Just a quick thought concerning Philip Guerola's BT30. I believe that the car was cannibalised and the suspension, wheels, engine and gearbox were used in the construction of the Wimhurst FAtlantic by Len Wimhurst for Philip to race in FAt and Group 8.

Originally posted by Tim Barry
Just a quick thought concerning Philip Guerola's BT30. I believe that the car was cannibalised and the suspension, wheels, engine and gearbox were used in the construction of the Wimhurst FAtlantic by Len Wimhurst for Philip to race in FAt and Group 8.

Tim, If my notes are correct that was BT30-11. Very interesting!


BT30-2

I have been re-reading pages 1 to 101 (it feels like that) to see if I am re hashing old ground, so my apologies in advance if I am exhuming the dead & buried.

The suggestion is that the two listings by Autosport of Peter Westbury being in 30-2 at Hockenhein & Reims are possibly misprints.

Perhaps not.

A/S June 18th 1970 John Wingfield has tested Peter Westbury’s car “that he used all last season” with a view to doing a full season next year and doing a couple of races this year.
In fact he is out the next month at La Castellet and does 4 more races after that. So I assume that J W has bought BT30-3 by July 1970.

A/S Nov 5th 1970 Felday Engineering, For sale, Peter Westbury’s BT30 chassis number 2.

This cannot be a typo for BT30-3 because its already been sold!!

Andrew

BT29X

A/S Oct 15th, 1970 p.15
Tony Griffiths has an ad for BT29X to full BT30 spec. for sale.
Did he drive a BT29 & a BT30 in 1970?

Annnnd…, how many Brabhams did he have please?

BT29X and BT30X2 and BT35X2, or have I made a real stuff up on my notes?


Andrew

Bryan I have a b & w photo of Tony Griffiths in his FVC BT30, looks like series one fuel tanks. Does a 29 have the same engine cover and fuel tanks as a 30? -I am wondering if the caption for the photo is wrong.

As regards BT30 2 and 3 I guess a phone call would solve that one!!

Tim Barry, I assume you're the chap who raced at Brands/Lydden etc in the 80s and 90s ? Any good tales to tell of your racing, in a F5000, FF and F Talbot IIRC. On the BT30/Wimhurst issue, I saw Philip in this in Atlantic quite a bit. Does the car still exist, I wonder how it would go in contemporary historic racing ??

Andrew,

The BT29 and BT30 share the same engine cover. The BT29 has a fiberglass undertray (no side bulge) with the fuel cell behind the seat. The BT30 has fiberglass sidepods with fuel cells located inside. BT30 side pods are the same as BT36. Most BT35's had aluminum side tanks with fiberglass contoured ends, fore and aft.

David Irwin

Dan Rear

Yes I am the chap who raced the F5000, etc, etc, at Brands, Lydden and just about everywhere in the 80's and 90's and into the 2000's! Will be out in the Derek Bell Trophy and FORCE with the March this year.
Don't know if the Wimhurst still exists; Richard Piper raced it in Atlantic then Roger Fullager raced it as the "RJF" at Lydden

Originally posted by Ted Walker
. I later owned this car when it had a Rover engine installed and sold it to Shaun Mooney,who had it fitted witha BDA by Simon Hadfield.

Ah! some memory cells are awakening, -thank you Ted!

So who was BT30X2?

& this was the car that was cloned,

Andrew

Originally posted by David Irwin
BT30 side pods are the same as BT36.

David Irwin

David & Bryan thank you for the details.

There is one exception to the BT30 side pods and that is the 1969 BT 30's came with metal tanks as on BT30-8 which is now in the States. Most would have been upgraded in 1970 so this must be a very rare car now. I think if I still owned it I would put them away because they made the cockpit very tight -apart from the safety issue!

Andrew

Andrew,

I would not know if all early BT30's had 'metal' tanks. I restored BT30-7, which came from Italy, I received it with, what I assumed by the condition (beat-up), the original Fiberglass side pods.

When you say 'metal' I assume you mean aluminum?

Just trying to muddle the waters. David

Only the first 8 BT30s had the ally side tanks.

David as Ted says, aluminium and very easy to dent but what lovely craftmanship shaped around the chassis rails like some of the earlier cars.

Andrew

Mike Freemans BT30 is the car now owned by Roger Murray and currently for sale (BT30-12)This car lived in Barbados for a long time.

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Mike Freemans BT30 is the car now owned by Roger Murray and currently for sale (BT30-12)This car lived in Barbados for a long time.
Thanks Ted (and Andrew)
I must have read the chassis-plate before I got my new glasses!

BT30-2

Peter Westbury is certain he did not own this chassis but there again he admits he can't recall BT30-23 either at the moment! However he did own 4 Brabhams.

He does have all his records and intends to go through them in due course with his mechanic.

Up date in two months!!

Michael.

Thank you, no wonder we all tear our hair out trying to sort out what happened to some of these cars.
As Cirrus has advised , not a BT30 or a BT23/C series.
The engine has me thinking, not Cosworth / BMW , inlet on wrong side , what is it , maybe Schnitzer BMW as I believe these altered the head and had inlet and exhaust opposite std. BMW. But it also appears to have strange restrictor type ram tubes.
I wonder what the chassis number is/was.
Is it the same BT15/MAE car updated over the years with diff. body panels, the BT30? photo looks like about 1974 or so , as two tier rear wings had not come in to use on small bore cars till about then.
Fascinating.
Bryan.

David , thank you .

Ted and all ,

Autosport May 23-1969 , at Wiscombe reports Roger Hickman having to be cut out of his BT29 FVA .
I have Hickman in a BT30 FVA ,on page 1 of this thread , was the BT29 replaced by a BT30 , and the BT29 your missing BT29-20. Time frame is correct .

We have sort of allocated BT30-2 to this , although David McKinney has notes saying BT30-3 , maybe this is the replacement for the BT29 , or is the Autosport article incorrect in calling it a BT29.??

Bryan.

Hickman had BT30-3.29-20 was only delivered new to MRE in SEPT69. It was going to be the 2nd team car with Matchets . Both cars were painted Black.

gentlemen,

Iam a new member of the forum to day.

As i want to add my touch, there is the knowledge

i can transmit.

As i goes to MONTHLERY coupes de l'age d'or in 1993

i note :BRABHAM BT 36:BT 36/20:Thierry de MORTIER.

BRABHAM BT 30:BT30/20:Michel BAUDOUIN.

BT30/24:Gerard GAMAND.

and more about MARCH 702/01:Jean-Pierre GRAVE.

Salutations.

barathieu,

Thank you and wellcome to the forum.

Bryan.

I've been working through this thread identifying Sprint BT30s.

The ones I can't identify are:

Brabham-Ford/Vegantune TC BT21/30 () - Spencer Elton once in 1973
Brabham-Ford BDA BT30 (1.6) - Peter Bull twice in 1974

Thanks

Allen

A quick check on my database of British Sprint Championship cars has thrown up the following:
In 1973 David Render competed in a 1.6 Brabham-Ford BDA BT30 from 10/06
In 1974 Peter Bull competed in a similar car from 27/05 - could even be the same car!
Finally in 1977 Bob Penzer competed in a 1.6 BT30 (engine unknown) starting on 31/07.

If anyone could help in identifying the chassis numbers it would be appreciated.

Welcome Steve - that didn't take you long!

By way of introduction, Steve is the man who put together all the British Sprint results on BritishSprint.org. When he described how he'd gone about it, I knew he'd fit in real well here!

Allen

When he described how he'd gone about it, I knew he'd fit in real well here!

Allen

There is a fine line between a hobby and insanity, :) I think I flipped the line a long time ago.

Ok back to the question, I dont have a clue but I can reduced it to 8 likely candidates; 6,8,9,10,12,15,16 or 26.

There, that was a big help wasn't it?

Wellcome Steve,

Back on page 5 of this thread I summarised the goings on of David Render and his 2 Brabhams , one was the ex BT29x/BT30 hillclimb car and the other a BT35 , both of which could be candidates for your enquiry , however alas we don't seem to have come up with chassis numbers for either as yet.

Also I asked who knew anything about Peter Bull and his car , but that also drew a blank, but that car seemed to be a BT30.

Does everybody realise that this thread now has more pages than Chris's beloved Chevron B29 thread.

Bryan .

The following is a list of Brabham drivers in the aforementioned championship:

1970
Gray & Agness Mickel in the ex-Hawley BT23B
Alan Napier in a BT18

1971 David Fyfe in the BT30X

1972
Gray & Agnes Mickel in BT35-44
Iain McLaren in a BT35X
Ted Dzierzek in a BT21
John Barr in a BT28

1973
Iain McLaren in a BT36 and for the June Doune only a BT30
Gray and Agnes Mickel in BT35-44
Bob Snelson in a BT23C
Murray McGrath in a BT30X
Peter Varley in a BT21C
Bob Leckie in a BT36 with FVC engine

1974
Bob Snelson in a BT35
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

1975/1976/1977
Jim Campbell in BT35-44

1978
Jim Campbell in BT35-44
Olly Ross in a BT21C

1979
Jimmy Johnstone in a BT30
Ron Cumming in a BT??

1985/1986/1987
Peter Speakman in a BT18

1988/1989
Peter Speakman in a BT21C

:Santa: :Santa: :Santa: :Santa: :Santa:

Steve, interesting indeed. I speculate that Ian McLaren might have been a BT30 all along. They were sometimes confused by reporters.I wonder which chassis number?

Bob Leckie was BT36-8 but I didn't have the FVC bit in my notes, (and this car is very sadly still missing).

ANDREW - the information comes from the reviews of the Scottish Championship. The first volume was done as a retrospective in the late 80s and it may well have lifted details from the programmes and club entry lists - hence the BT30 for McLaren and the FVC in Bob Leckie's BT36.

:happyny3:

Shock and horror I have to delve all the way back to page 8 to retrieve this thread, can't have it die from lack of use.

Over on the other place , it appears as though one of the A.C.A. BT30's has surfaced in the museum , it will either be BT30-18 or BT30-19 , looks very original with correct rear wing and long tail engine cover.

Bryan.

Just had word that the other one is alive & well too, but I'll leave that to James to post.

Bryan its so good to see that these cars have both survived.

Now for the missing BT36's.........

With all the talk I have read about with in this thread which car was the true Peter Westbury BT30, has there been any resolution?
I have recently purchased Mike Carmody's BT-30/3, ex Dick James, Ray Delaney, Chris Mann, John Wigfield?, ex Peter Westbury.
The car has undergone a complete restoration including an authentic Felday livery, and is a very fast fun car to drive.
Is there any question this was not Peter Westbury's 69,70 F-2 car?

No I dont think there is any issue with 30-3. Lovely to hear thats its back in original livery. Chris Mann didn't drive it very hard, somewhere I have a photo & I recall it was a darkish blue and was handicapped with ancient hard tyres.

No, more is the problem with 30-2, Austosport lists Westbury in it twice but I guess that this is a typo. However Peter Westbury has promised to look through his records (which are extensive) as he cant remember having BT30-23 either. Aghhh!

Can our resident experts add anything?

Thanks Andrew, the car was extensively driven this past summer through out the U.S., that is when the FVA's were running properly.

TM I've sent a pm but I'll see if I can dig out that photo.

OK, I'll put a post here to mark the point at which this thread was split out from the giant Brabham 28-29-30-35-36 thread. Much gratitude to John Turner.

Do we now need a summary of the BT30s we understand - and a list of the ones we don't?

Allen

What a good idea!

Going back to the ACA BT30s Interesting to hear that the second car has been "discovered".There was a rumour a couple of years ago that a dealer had discovered the remains of one but it was not available to view.

BT30-23 First Outing Thruxton Easter Monday 1970. It could be that Tommy Reid could have been involved somewhere along the line ???.Westbury drove it that day.

Ted what was really frustrating was the the photo of the ACA BT30 must have been taken in the last 12 months and posted on TNF by one of the guys from Sth.America, but I couldn't get diddly squat out of him. So near but so far! It looked stunning too.
I am now in indirect contact with the Fangio museum in the hope that we can establish which cars survive.

I am collating the BT30's results the we have cleaned so far and will post in the next day or so, then you can all have a bit of target practice shooting holes in it!
Ditto the BT36's

Andrew

BT30X1 FVC
1969 Mike McDowell 1969 Climax 2ltr FWMV ClimaxV8
18-2-1971 3.5ltr Buick fitted work done by Roy Lane (A/S)
For sale 10-6-71 and sold to David Fyfe.
1972 7th Dec for sale Autosport.
1973 David Fyfe and Alex Brown
Nothing further till 1989 David Coleman in HSCC with Rover V8

BT30X2 FVC (BT30Y -?)
1970 Tony Griffiths then to Spencer Elton 18-2-1971.
1971 David Render
Was also owned by Ted Walker
Subsequently this car may have been cloned into 2 cars.

BT30-1
1969
April 7th Thruxton Kurt Ahrens 23rd
April 13th Hockenheim Kurt Ahrens 4th
April 27th Nurburgring Kurt Ahrens 20th
May 11th Jarama Kurt Ahrens dna
June 22nd Monza Kurt Ahrens dna
June 29th Reims Kurt Ahrens 17th
July13th Tulln Langlebarn Kurt Ahrens 16th
September 14th Albi Kurt Ahrens dna
1970
March 30th Thruxton Werner Linderman 17th
April 12th Hockenheim Werner Linderman 17th
May 3rd Nurburgring Werner Linderman 26th
June 14th Hockenehim destroyed
14/6/1970 Car written off , destroyed by fire,

BT30-2
Reported as Westbury’s car at Zolder. and additional 4 races. A/S also reports the car for sale 5th Nov. 1970 by Westbury. Believed incorrect as Westbury (2004) is certain that he did not own it.

BT30-3
1969
April 7th Thruxton Peter Westbury 16th
April 13th Hockenheim Peter Westbury 11th
April 20th Pau Peter Westbury 13th
April 27th Nurburgring Peter Westbury 10th
May 11th Jarama Peter Westbury 7th
June 8th Zolder Peter Westbury dns
June 15th Hockenheim Peter Westbury 3rd
June 22nd Monza Peter Westbury 2nd
June 29th Reims Peter Westbury 12th
July13th Tulln Langlebarn Peter Westbury 9th
August 3rd Nurburgring Peter Westbury 5th
August 24th Enna Peter Westbury 9th
September 14th Albi Peter Westbury 8th
October 12th Vallelunga Peter Westbury 2nd
October 26th Munchen Peter Westbury 1st
1970
July 26th La Castellet John Wingfield 14th
August 2nd Nurburgring John Wingfield 14th
August 30th Mantorp John Wingfield 20th
September 13th Phoenix Park John Wingfield dna
October 11th Hockenheim John Wingfield 10th
1971
April 4th Hockenheim Alastair Waker dns
April 12th Thruxton John Wingfield dnq
May 4th Nurburgring John Wingfield 16th
May 31st Crystal Palace John Wingfield dnq
June 20th Monza John Wingfield 17th
July 11th Mondello John Wingfield 6th
August 30th Brands Hatch John Wingfield dna
1971 1st July for sale in Autosport
1971 7th October Jim Charnock at Oulton Park
nothing futher ‘till
1983 Chris Mann, raced in UK historics.
1983-8 Ray Delaney, Australia (confirmed)
1990/1 Art Valdez USA
1993 Dick James, California for sale
2003 Mike Carmody for sale with stuffed fva
2005 P Lee, restored with FVA

BT30-4
1969
June 8th Zolder Malcom Guthrie 4th
June 22nd Monza Malcom Guthrie 4th
August 3rd Nurburgring Richard Attwood 2nd
1970 Suderia Picchio Rossa
June 21st Monza Giancarlo Gagliardi 6th
July 26th La Castellet Giancarlo Gagliardi 12th
August 23rd Enna Giancarlo Gagliardi 14th
August 30th Salzburg Giancarlo Gagliardi 8th
September 27th Imola Giancarlo Gagliardi 18th
1971
April 4th Hockenheim Gian-Luigi Picchi 18th
April 12th Thruxton Gian-Luigi Picchi dna
May 4th Nurburgring Tino Brambilla 12th
May 31st Crystal Palace Gian-Luigi Picchi dns
June 20th Monza Gimax dnq
June 27th Rouen (Carlo Franchi)

BT30-5 Frank Williams
1969
June 8th Zolder Piers Courage 3rd
June 22nd Monza Mike Hailwood dna
June 29th Reims Piers Courage 3rd
August 3rd Nurburgring Brian Redman dna
August 24th Enna Piers Courage 1st
September 14th Albi Piers Courage 9th
October 12th Vallelunga Derek Bell 4th
1969 16th November, Albert Poon, Macau
1970 3rd December, Macau
confirmed destroyed

BT30-6 Irish Racing Cars
1969
April 7th Thruxton Alan Rollinson
June 29th Reims Alan Rollinson
August 24th Enna Alan Rollinson
September 14th Albi Alan Rollinson
October 12th Vallelunga Alan Rollinson
1970
1971
February 14th Bogota Alan Rollinson
February 21st Bogota Alan Rollinson
1971 Nelson Todd
1972 17th Feb, Bob Howlings for sale ex Rollinson
1972 Ken Walker/Peter Kaye
19?? Next recorded Jon Bradburn
1982-5 Jim Wallis raced in Historics
1985 Bob Howlings
1986 Tony Thompson
to Chris Farrell, Australia.
2005 restoration nearing completion.


BT30-7
1969
February 14th Bogota Silvio Moser 8th
February 21st Bogota Silvio Moser 17th
nothing more 'till
1997 Fabio Montani, Italy, for sale
1998 David Irwin
1999 Barry Marquart

BT30-8 Irish Racing Cars
1969
April 7th Thruxton Tommy Reid dna
October 12th Vallelunga Tommy Reid 20th
1970
May 25th Crystal Palace Alan Rollinson 10th
September 13th Phoenix Park Tommy Reid dna
November 22nd Israel Tommy Reid 6
1971 11th July, Mondello Park, John Smith
1971 Bob Howlings, for sale 18-11-1971 p. 59
1972 possibly John Smith but no more till Simon Hadfield early 80’s
1986 Andrew Fellowes, restored & raced in HSCC with FVA
1990 George Nuse. Aluminium tanks retained but now with BT36 bag tanks
1992 Jordan Harris
2005 for sale

BT30-9 Sports Motors
1969
March 30th Thruxton Francois Mazet 27th
April 5th Pau Francois Mazet 5th
April 12th Hockenheim Francois Mazet 18th
May 3rd Nurburgring Francois Mazet 29th
May 25th Crystal Palace Francois Mazet dnq
June 14th Hockenehim Francois Mazet 9th
June 28th Rouen Francois Mazet 11th
July 26th La Castellet Francois Mazet 27th
August 2nd Nurburgring Francois Mazet 10th
August 30th Mantorp Francois Mazet 13th
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Francois Mazet 16th
September 27th Imola Gerry Birrell 8th
1971
April 12th Thruxton Lionel Noges 16th
May 16th Jarama Lionel Noges dnq
May 31st Crystal Palace Lionel Noges dna
June 13th Vallelunga Lionel Noges 18th
June 20th Monza Lionel Noges dnq
June 27th Rouen Lionel Noges dnq
July 25th Imola Lionel Noges 13th
August 30th Brands Hatch Lionel Noges dnq
October 10th Vallelunga Lionel Noges dna
October 17th Vallelunga Lionel Noges 18th
Nothing known since

BT30-10 Sports Motors
1970
March 30th Thruxton Tim Schenken 14th
April 5th Pau Tim Schenken 3rd
April 12th Hockenheim Tim Schenken 16th
April 26th Barcelona Tim Schenken 15th
May 3rd Nurburgring Tim Schenken 12th
May 25th Crystal Palace Tim Schenken dnq
June 14th Hockenehim Gerry Birrell 12th
June 28th Rouen Tim Schenken 5th
July 26th La Castellet Tim Schenken 2nd
August 2nd Nurburgring Tim Schenken 8th
August 30th Mantorp Tim Schenken 3rd
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Tim Schenken 19th
September 27th Imola Tim Schenken 9th
1971
February 14th Bogota Cyd Williams 12th
February 21st Bogota Cyd Williams 11th
1971 29th April for sale Autosport
1971 Bill Cressey Silverstone, 7th Ocotober with BDA
1972 for sale 11th May Autosport,
1972 7th Sept. with note ‘run once as Atlantic’
1974 Simon Riley, hill climb. Nothing more till;
2003 Jim Gathercole UK

BT30-11
1970
March 30th Thruxton John Watson 23rd
April 12th Hockenheim John Watson dnq
April 26th Barcelona John Watson 13th
May 3rd Nurburgring John Watson 9th
May 24th Zolder John Watson 12th
May 25th Crystal Palace John Watson dnq
June 14th Hockenehim John Watson 13th
June 28th Rouen John Watson dns
1971
March 14th Mallory John Watson 13th
April 4th Hockenheim John Watson 22nd
May 4th Nurburgring John Watson 12th
May 16th Jarama John Watson 11th
May 31st Crystal Palace John Watson dnq
June 13th Vallelunga John Watson 8th
June 27th Rouen John Watson dnq
July 11th Mondello John Watson 1st
August 8th Mantorp John Watson 5th
August 22nd Kinnekullering John Watson 6th
August 30th Brands Hatch John Watson 8th
September 12th Tullen-Langlebarn John Watson 5th
1971 for sale 4th Nov, to BT36 spec.
1972 Bob Howlings Croft with FVC
1972 Tony Dean
1973 Alex Seldon
1973-6 Phillip Guerola
1978 26th Jan. advertised as for sale in Autosport
nothing more ‘till
2003 David McLaughlin
2003 David Brown
2004 Ian Gray
Note. Reported parts used in 1973 for Wimhurst F Atlantic

BT30-12 Irish Racing Cars
1970
March 30th Thruxton Tommy Reid 9th
July 26th La Castellet Tommy Reid 19th
September 13th Phoenix Park Allan Rollinson 1st
1971
March 14th Mallory Tommy Reid 9th
April 12th Thruxton Tommy Reid dnq
July 11th Mondello Tommy Reid 9th
August 30th Brands Hatch Tommy Reid dna
1972 20th Jan. for sale Bob Howlings
1973 John Pollock,
then to Harold McGarrity
1975 Paddy Heron
understood to have gone to Barbados and subsequently owned by Mike Freeman
2003 James Murray
2006 new owner?

BT30-14
1970
April 12th Hockenheim Graham Birrell dna
May 3rd Nurburgring Graham Birrell 10th
May 25th Crystal Palace Graham Birrell 11th
June 14th Hockenehim Graham Birrell 15th
June 21st Monza Graham Birrell 2nd
June 28th Rouen Graham Birrell dnq
July 26th La Castellet Graham Birrell 13th
August 2nd Nurburgring Graham Birrell 5th
August 30th Mantorp Richard Attwood 16th
September 13th Phoenix Park Richard Attwood 8th
September 27th Imola Richard Attwood 15th
1971
February 14th Bogota Peter Westbury 3rd
February 21st Bogota Peter Westbury 4th
April 4th Hockenheim Dieter Quester 27th
April 12th Thruxton Peter Westbury dnf
Rented by Peter Westbury for Sth American series
Sold via MRE/Ronnie McKay
To Chong Boon Seng S.E.Asia with up rated body panels
1975 Del Schlomer
1980-82 Wybe Valkema
To USA approx 1990 & believed still there with Art Valdez

BT30-15
1970
March 30th Thruxton Peter Gaydon 12th
April 5th Pau Henri Pescarolo 2nd
April 12th Hockenheim Peter Gaydon 7th
April 26th Barcelona Henri Pescarolo 2nd
May 3rd Nurburgring Peter Gaydon 18th
May 25th Crystal Palace Henri Pescarolo 5th
June 28th Rouen Henri Pescarolo 18th
1971
March 14th Mallory Brian Hart 3rd
April 4th Hockenheim Brian Hart 7th
April 12th Thruxton Brian Hart dnq
May 31st Crystal Palace Brian Hart dnq
June 20th Monza Brian Hart 7th
1971 Robert Salisbury, Mondello Park
1971 for sale Oct 21st A/S
19?? Martin Webb
nothing more ‘till
2003 Bob Salisbury
2003 Richard Kendle

BT30-16 Wheatcroft
1970
March 30th Thruxton Derek Bell 3rd
April 5th Pau Derek Bell 4th
April 12th Hockenheim Derek Bell 3rd
April 26th Barcelona Derek Bell 1st
May 3rd Nurburgring Derek Bell 2nd
May 24th Zolder Derek Bell 2nd
May 25th Crystal Palace Derek Bell 8th
June 28th Rouen Derek Bell 7th
July 26th La Castellet Derek Bell 21st
August 2nd Nurburgring Derek Bell 6th
August 23rd Enna Derek Bell 7th
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Derek Bell 4th
September 27th Imola Derek Bell 3rd
October 11th Hockenheim Derek Bell 6th
November 22nd Isreal Derek Bell 6
1971
March 14th Mallory Jeremy Richardson 6th
April 4th Hockenheim Jeremy Richardson 19th
April 12th Thruxton Jeremy Richardson 15th
May 4th Nurburgring Jeremy Richardson 17th
May 31st Crystal Palace Jeremy Richardson dnq
June 20th Monza Jeremy Richardson 19th
June 27th Rouen Jeremy Richardson 12th
July 11th Mondello Jeremy Richardson 4th
August 30th Brands Hatch Jeremy Richardson dnq
September 26th Albi Jeremy Richardson dna
October 3rd Hockenheim Jeremy Richardson dna
October 10th Vallelunga Jeremy Richardson dna
October 17th Vallelunga Jeremy Richardson dna
1972 Alex Seldon
nothing more ‘till
1986 Lincoln Small and retained.

BT30-17
1970
March 30th Thruxton Jackie Stewart 2nd
April 5th Pau Jack Brabham 13th
May 3rd Japan Jackie Stewart 1st
May 25th Crystal Palace Jackie Stewart 1st
June 28th Rouen Jack Brabham 8th
July 26th La Castellet Jackie Stewart 24th
August 30th Mantorp Jo Bonnier 6th
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Jack Brabham 2nd
September 27th Imola Mike Goth 6th
October 11th Hockenheim Mike Goth 19th
November 22nd Isreal Mike Goth 10
1971
April 4th Hockenheim Silvio Moser dna
May 16th Jarama Silvio Moser 9th
May 31st Crystal Palace Silvio Moser 7th
June 13th Vallelunga Silvio Moser dns
June 20th Monza Silvio Moser dnq
June 27th Rouen Silvio Moser dnq
Moser reports car destroyed and buys a BT36

BT30-18 Automovil Club Argentina
1970
April 12th Hockenheim Carlos Reutemann 8th
April 26th Barcelona Carlos Reutemann 6th
May 3rd Nurburgring Carlos Reutemann 16th
May 25th Crystal Palace Carlos Reutemann 12th
June 14th Hockenehim Carlos Reutemann 6th
June 28th Rouen Carlos Reutemann 12th
July 26th La Castellet Carlos Reutemann 9th
August 2nd Nurburgring Carlos Reutemann 12th
August 23rd Enna Carlos Reutemann 11th
August 30th Salzburg Carlos Reutemann 16th
September 27th Imola (new chassis)
October 11th Hockenheim Carlos Reutemann 5th
October 25th Munchen Carlos Reutemann 4th
1971
March 14th Mallory Carlos Reutemann 11th
April 4th Hockenheim Carlos Reutemann 3rd
April 12th Thruxton Carlos Reutemann 8th
May 4th Nurburgring Carlos Reutemann 3rd
May 16th Jarama Carlos Reutemann 3rd
May 31st Crystal Palace Carlos Reutemann 5th
June 13th Vallelunga Carlos Reutemann 6th
June 20th Monza Carlos Reutemann 13th
June 27th Rouen Carlos Reutemann 6th
July 11th Mondello
July 25th Imola Carlos Reutemann dnf
1972 sent to Argentina as a race school car
27/7/05 photo posted on TNF either 18 or 19.

BT30-19 Automovil Club Argentina
1970
April 12th Hockenheim Benedicto Calderella dnq
April 26th Barcelona Benedicto Calderella 17th
May 3rd Nurburgring Benedicto Calderella dna
May 25th Crystal Palace Benedicto Calderella dnq
June 14th Hockenehim Benedicto Calderalla 16th
June 21st Monza
June 28th Rouen Benedicto Calderalla dnq
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Carlos Reutemann 17th
September 27th Imola Carlos Reutemann 13th
1971
March 14th Mallory Carlos Reusch dna
April 4th Hockenheim Carlos Reusch dnq
April 12th Thruxton Carlos Reusch 21st
May 4th Nurburgring Carlos Reusch 35th
May 16th Jarama Carlos Reusch dnq
May 31st Crystal Palace Carlos Reusch dnq
June 13th Vallelunga Carlos Reusch 17th
June 20th Monza Carlos Reusch dnq
June 27th Rouen Carlos Reusch dnq
July 25th Imola Carlos Reusch 8th

1972 sent to Argentina
27/7/05 (see above)

1970 BT30-20
1970
March 30th Thruxton Robin Widdows 4th
April 5th Pau
April 12th Hockenheim Robin Widdows 9th
April 26th Barcelona
May 3rd Nurburgring Robin Widdows 6th
May 25th Crystal Palace Robin Widdows 15th
July 26th La Castellet Alistair Walker 22nd
August 2nd Nurburgring Alistair Walker 3rd
1971
April 4th Hockenheim Brian Cullen 16th
April 12th Thruxton Brian Cullen dnq
May 4th Nurburgring Brian Cullen 23rd
June 20th Monza Brian Cullen dnq
July 11th Mondello Brian Cullen 5th
1970 Sept 3rd A/S Bob Howlings Mantorp Park
1970 13th Sept. Richard Scott/Team Obrist Phoenix Park
1970 11th Oct. Frank Keans/Kevin Murphy, Mondello Park
1972 Kevin Murphy I.R.C. for Brian Nelson & Patsy McGarrity
1973 Brian Nelson
Nothing more ‘till
1985 Marcus King, IHCC historics
1990 Michael Baudoin, France
1995 sold to Fred Harris USA
2001? Mike Taradash and sold on to Bob Baker 2001
2002 car badly damaged in crash restored by JR Mitchell
2006 Bob Baker retains

BT30-21 Scuderia Piccio Rossa
1970
April 12th Hockenheim Enzo Corti dns
April 26th Barcelona Enzo Corti 19th
June 14th Hockenehim Vittorio Brambilla 22nd
June 21st Monza Enzo Corti dna
June 28th Rouen Tino Brambilla dna
July 26th La Castellet Tino Brambilla 33rd
August 23rd Enna Tino Brambilla 13th
August 30th Salzburg Tino Brambilla 12th
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Tino Brambilla 10th
September 27th Imola Tino Brambilla 19th
October 11th Hockenheim Tino Brambilla 14th
October 25th Munchen Tino Brambilla 10th
November 22nd Isreal Tino Brambilla 1

1971
April 4th Hockenheim Tino Brambilla 12th
April 12th Thruxton Tino Brambilla 26th
April 25th Pau Vittorio Brambilla 12th
May 3rd Japanese GP wrecked Pau
Nothing more ‘till
2002 Sepp Meyer, Germany

BT30-22
1970
April 26th Barcelona Pino Pica dnq
May 3rd Nurburgring Enzo Corti 24th
May 25th Crystal Palace Andrea de Adamich 4th
June 21st Monza Pino Pica
June 28th Rouen Andrea de Adamich 14th
July 26th La Castellet Andrea de Adamich 10th
August 2nd Nurburgring
August 23rd Enna Vittorio Brambilla 9th
August 30th Salzburg Vittorio Brambilla 2nd
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Vittorio Brambilla 6th
September 27th Imola Vittorio Brambilla 22nd
October 11th Hockenheim Vittorio Brambilla 8th
October 25th Munchen Vittorio Brambilla 2nd
November 22nd Isreal Vittorio Brambilla 2
1971
April 4th Hockenheim Vittorio Brambilla 12th
April 12th Thruxton Vittorio Brambilla 22nd
May 4th Nurburgring Vittorio Brambilla 32nd
May 16th Jarama wreck Nurburgring
Nothing more ‘till spotted by Ted Walker in Monza Museum 1991

BT30-23
1970
March 30th Thruxton Peter Westbury 22nd
April 5th Pau Peter Westbury 14th
April 12th Hockenheim Peter Westbury 21st
April 26th Barcelona Peter Westbury 9th
May 3rd Nurburgring Peter Westbury 5th
May 24th Zolder Peter Westbury 13th
May 25th Crystal Palace Peter Westbury 16th
June 14th Hockenehim Peter Westbury 3rd
June 28th Rouen Peter Westbury 10th
July 26th La Castellet Peter Westbury 4th
August 2nd Nurburgring Peter Westbury 11th
August 23rd Enna Peter Westbury 4th
August 30th Mantorp Peter Westbury 5th
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Peter Westbury 12th
September 27th Imola Peter Westbury 14th
October 11th Hockenheim Peter Westbury 28th
October 25th Munchen Peter Westbury 3rd
November 22nd Isreal Peter Westbury 7
1971
February 14th Bogota Peter Westbury 3rd
February 21st Bogota Peter Westbury 4th
March 14th Mallory Peter Westbury 4th
April 4th Hockenheim sold to Japan
April 12th Thruxton Peter Westbury 25th
1972 possibly sold to Japan and driven by Osama Masaku or Kuiomi Nagamatsu
I assume this to be the BT30 now owned by Mitsubishi

BT30-24
1970
May 24th Zolder Howden Ganley 14th
May 25th Crystal Palace Howden Ganley dns
June 14th Hockenehim Howden Ganley 18th
July 26th La Castellet Howden Ganley 28th
August 30th Mantorp Richard Scott 10th
September 13th Phoenix Park Richard Scott 2nd
September 27th Imola Richard Scott dnq
October 11th Hockenheim Richard Scott 17th
1971
February 14th Bogota Jurg Dubler 11th
February 21st Bogota Jurg Dubler 14th
April 4th Hockenheim Jurg Dubler dns
April 12th Thruxton Jurg Dubler dnq
May 4th Nurburgring Jurg Dubler 13th
May 16th Jarama Jurg Dubler dnq
June 13th Vallelunga Jurg Dubler 15th
June 20th Monza Jurg Dubler 8th
June 27th Rouen Jurg Dubler dnq
July 25th Imola Jurg Dubler 17th
August 8th Mantorp Jurg Dubler 24th
August 30th Brands Hatch Jurg Dubler dna
Nothing more ‘till
1990 Gerard Gamand, France and then reported 2003 Gerard Cerny, France

BT30-25 Eifelland
1970
May 3rd Nurburgring Rolf Stommelen 3rd
August 23rd Enna Rolf Stommelen 6th
August 30th Mantorp Rolf Stommelen 2nd
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Rolf Stommelen 15th
September 27th Imola Rolf Stommelen 5th
October 11th Hockenheim Hermann Unold 10th
October 25th Munchen Willi Duetsch 5th
1971
February 14th Bogota Rolf Stommelen 5th
February 21st Bogota Rolf Stommelen 2nd
May 4th Nurburgring Hans Stuck 31st
Poss. Stommelen at Estoril 21-10-1973 up-rated BT36 panels
Reported as stored in 1974 retaining original Ft200 and FVA
Bought post Coys auction at Essen by Steve Worrad
2005 new owner.

BT30-26
1970
April 5th Pau Henri Pescarolo 2nd
May 24th Zolder Henri Pescarolo 3rd
May 25th Crystal Palace Alistair Walker 7th
June 14th Hockenehim Brian Hart 2nd
July 26th La Castellet Henri Pescarolo 18th
August 2nd Nurburgring Brian Hart dna
August 30th Mantorp Alistair Walker 9th
September 13th Tulln Langlebarn Alistair Walker 8th
September 27th Imola Alistair Walker 12th
October 11th Hockenheim Alistair Walker 27th
1971
February 14th Bogota Alistair Walker 4th
February 21st Bogota Alistair Walker 10th
March 14th Mallory Brian Hart 3rd
April 4th Hockenheim see 30-3 Check
April 12th Thruxton Alistair Walker 7th
April 25th Pau Alistair Walker 7th
May 4th Nurburgring Alistair Walker 36th
May 31st Crystal Palace Alistair Walker dnq
August 30th Brands Hatch Brian Hart dnq
October 3rd Hockenheim Brian Hart 6th
Nothing futher ‘till see in 2003 with Julian Majzub UK, understood to be very original.

BT30/27
See BT36

Missing chassis.
BT30-2 no history
BT30-4 last recorded 1971
BT30-9 last recorded 1971
BT30-19 believed Argentina
BT30-20 believed Argentina
BT30-23 believed Japan

Misc;
1974 Peter Bull races a BT30 1.6 ltr twice.
1976 26th August Bob Howlings BT30 for sale unused for 4 years.
1977 Bob Penzer competed in a BT30 1.6 ltr
At one stage in the 70's there were 2 BT30's in Japan, one is #23 but the other?

The formatting hasn't quite turned out as I expected, I work an Apple so its gone from Excel to Word to 10 Tenths via copy & paste. In the process things like BT30/9 has Japan May 3rd but no result, this should have been deleted altogether but I missed it. Sorry for any confusion.

The usual caveats apply, and its posted here for any corrections that you can add so I dont view it as a definative list by any means.

It would be very helpful if someone in the UK could see if the owners of #15 and #26 can supply any info on the missing years

Andrew