Brabham BT36

Japan Brabham entities.

At least one is easy , Noritake Takahara in BT 36-12 in the Tasman Series early 1973.

In Japan. Japanese G.P. 3-5-1972 also has Takahara albeit with a Mitsubishi eng.
In 1973 , Japan, 3-5-1973 .
Bellco Racing Team , Kuniomu Nagamatsu BT36 , Mitsubishi R39B-11.
Bellco Racing Team , Osama Masuko BT30 , Mitsubishi R39B-11.
Noritake Takahara BT36 , Ford BDA.

At Fuji , 28-7-1974 we now have Yoshimasa Kawaguchi in BT36 BDA , being a suspicious type could be ex. Takahara BT36-12???.
At the J.A.F. G.P 3-11-1974 .
Yoshimasa Kawaguchi - BT36 Ford BDA.
Kikuo Kaira - BT36 Ford BDA.

At the Japanese G.P. 3-5-1975.
Shigeaki Asaoka - BT36-Ford BDA.note Nagamatsu now in March 742.
At Fuji 13-7-1975 , Shigeaki Asaoka BT36-12 [ F1R ].

At I Nishinihon Formula Champion Race 1-5-1977.
Kiyoshi Misaki BT36- Cosworth FVA, and also 5-6-1977 at Fuji.

Lunch Time.

Bryan.

Bryan I have 2 more for 1975 as well as Asaoka in a ISCC Team J.K BT36 I have Kenzou Muromachi in his own team with a BT36 BDG and Fumiyasa Satu in a BT36 BDA. The last 2 may be the same car, but the first?

Macau.

All references Philip Newsome from his book Colour and Noise.Except ch.no. notes.

26-11-1972.
J.McDonald BT36 - photo shows very Rondel style nose.

18-11-1973.
A. Poon Brabham F2. ??????????????
McDonald in a BT40 , BT36 to ?????????????

No more entities further.

BT36.

BT36-1 , Rondel Racing / Schenken all of 1971.
For sale large adv. by Rondel end of 1971 , all three cars.

A/S 24-2-1972 , reports all three of Rondels Brabham BT36 cars have now been sold.
Tim Schenken's car to Bob Howlings.
Car seems to have been hired to Tate of Leeds for G. Hill for early 1972 F2 rounds , untill Hills BT38 is delivered.
For sale Tate of Leeds 27-4-1972 p.65.

Re. the 3 Rondel cars , Chris Townsend has seperate reports , one stating a car with Fred Opert in the U.S.A is ex. Rondel BT36 , and a seperate adv. Athur Moore in an ex. Rondel car..
BT36-1 now with Andrew Fellowes in Australia.

BT36-2 .

Rondel Racing for G.Hill and Bob Wollek in 1971 , untill Wollek finally gets his own BT36 .
As per other cars , for sale end 1971 .
A/S report states Hills car sold to ''a gentleman in Japan.''

Now with Leif Norberg in Sweeden.

BT36-3.
Bernd Terbeck , car del. at Thruxton , but not raced untill Nurburgring 2-5-1971.
Still with Terbeck into 1972 at Hockenheim.
Nothing further.
Now reported with Willy Markwalder in Switzerland. 2003.

BT36-4 .
Eiffelland for Rolf Stommeln , at N'ring 2-5-1971.
To Roland Binder all through 1972.
retained and used into 2nd. half of 1973.
By Sept. 1973 in a March 732.
Car now reported with Sid Hoole U.K. 2003.

BT36-5 .

report just finished in time for N'ring. 2-5-1971.
Peter Westbury.
Retained into 1972 and fitted with BD series eng.and out at Mallory and Thruxton .
Chris Townsend advises to Nick Koob U.K. hillclimbs.
In 1974 to Chris Choat [ report as ex. Westbury Motoring News 28-3-1974 p.24.

BT36-6 .
Aotomobile Club Argentina .
Carlos Reutemann .

Report 20-4-1972 this car and others to go to driving school in Argentina .
Reports of some cars in museum in Argentina.

BT36-7.

Exactly same scenario as for BT36-6 .
This car for Carlos Ruesch through 1971.

BT36-8.

New to Archie Phillips Ireland at least by Kirkistown A/S 29-7-1971 p.22.
Appears to have been used by John Watson 3-8-1972 p38.A/S .
By 1973 Chris Townsend reports Bob Leckie / Eddie Regan.
1974 , Phil Barak , reported in Motoring News in ex. Leckie car 28-3-1974.

BT36-9.

Rondel Racing for Bob Wollek A/S 1-7-1971 at Rouen .
At end 1971 for sale by Rondel.
Report by Autosport 24-2-1972 on sale of the 3 cars , states this car to have gone to former F3 dicer John Kendall who will be contesting the Yellow Pages F/Atlantic Championship.
Used by Richard Scott at Mallory Pk. 12-3-1972.
Used by Kendall at Snetterton 6-4-1972 p.27.

Nothing further.

BT36-10.

John Wingfield , first event I can find is Ingliston report a/s 16-9-1971.
Then report A/S 24-2-1972 p.4 which states will continue in 1972 with an updated BT36 runby Nicoby Racing.
The BT36 has been suspension updated and Rondel nosed , and two Felday/Westbury eng. purchased.
Also seems to have been used in a Swiss hillclimb by Tim Goss 3-8-1972 .
For sale A/S 9-11-1972 p.51 by Wingfield.

Now reported with Ian Henderson , U.S.A.

BT36-11 .

Marlboro Racing for Silvio Moser 1971.
Poss. for sale MRE . adv. states very little use by a continental driver.

Now reported with Andy Newall U.K. 2003.

BT36-12.

Noritake Takahara [ Japan ].
Used in Japan , then to Aust. and N.Z. for Tasman .
By 1975 Shingeaki Asaoka.

Nothing further known.

I really didn't know where to place this .

BT30-27
Ordered by Bob Jane [ Australia ] but delayed delivery due to engine complications , and when finally ex. factory 23-3-1971 with FT200-452 seems to be a full BT36.
Autosport refers to car in Tasman report as BT30/36 .
Driven by John Harvey in Tasman 1972 , fitted with 2.0 Waggott TC/4V eng.
To Autocourse / Denis Lupton / Ian Cook , with a ford twin-cam. Alot more details , however now with Peter Johnson Sydney Australia.2003.

Bryan.

I'm not saying any of the below is right (or yours wrong) but it might add something

1
I have this with Arthur Moore in UK club events 1973

2
Macdonald Macau 1972, later to Bob Howlings UK

5
I have this still with Koob in 1974
I can’t easily find any record of what Choat raced in 1974, but he had a BT30 in 1973 and a BT35 in 1975. In 1974 John Hardesty is racing a car described as the ex-Choat BT36 (which sounds like the BT30)
For sale in Paris 1990

6
Raced in France early 1990s by Yves Bollé. He said it was ex-Ruesch though my notes, like yours, say 6 was Reutemann’s and the other car Ruesch’s

8
Eddie Regan Ireland 1973 then Leckie GB, and to Barak 1974 and 75

10
Iain McLaren in Scotland 1973, for sale by MRE Nov

David .
Thank you , all assistance appreciated.
BT36-1 , and your 1 , O.K. Chris , as I advised had a car with Athur Moore , described as ex Rondel.
So it looks like after G. Hill / Tate of Leeds , the car then may have gone to Arthur Moore.
This certainly helps , because we have the ex. Rondel BT36-9 to John Kendall , via A/S report , and if Moore has BT36-1 , then Chris Townsend advice of an ex. Rondel BT36 with Opert in the U.S.A. could be BT36-9 after Kendall, if we accept that BT36-2 stays in Japan , or at least that area for a fair while.

McDonald certainly did not keep his car very long , and perhaps he traded in when he rec'd new BT40 , and that's how car gets back to the U.K.so quickly.

Noted re.-5.

BT36-6 , argh. how does one escape out of Argentina. ????

Chris also advised re. BT36-10 to Iain McLaren , but I thought that may have been covered with somewhere else that I stiched McLaren into, guess not ,

As usual this is going to become messy the further we travel. We can only try.

Regards Bryan.

Another problem car is the adv. A/S 27-4-1972 p17.
M. Wayne / Brabham Racing Services for sale BT36 F2 FVA.

Bryan.

I don't have any problem with McLaren having two cars - BT35X/1 in 1972 and BT36/10 in 1973 (which is what my records say)

Nor am I fazed by Malcolm Wayne's car. My records say BT36/1 went to him from Tate of Leeds in 1972, then to Howlings (who didn't race it) and in 1973 to Moore

I am however (like you?) cynical about the provenance of the French BT36/6....

David.

As always , thank you.

I would like to see the trail of the French ex. Auto. Club Argentina car, BT36-6/-7.
In Australia , if the car was ex. Argentina , and ex. the museum , we would be requiring Bill of Sale at the very least.
Looks like we will have to keep an eye on that one.

I will get back to you re. BT36-1 's adverts. as I just went to check A/S and the Tate adv. is there , but not the Wayne , so I made a typo. re. date and need to check.

Bryan.

Well Roy James had a good taste in cars didn't he? Perhaps he should have stayed away from trains.

BT36-6, see www.museofangio.com/visita/fit_nivel5_auto3.html
for a photo of it now in the Fangio Museum. The list of races there is the same as I have it for that chassis, so if Ruesch never swapped cars with Reutemann then Yves Bolle's Automovile Club Argentina car might have been 7? I had assumed that 6, like Bryan,had never left Argentina but that could be quite wrong. In that case where is 36-7 and the two 30's?

BT36-2 I had understood been raced by MacDonald in SE Asia with an FVA 'till Macau where he had a twin cam. I didn't realise that Bob Howlings later had it in the UK. In which case how did it end up on a garage wall in Malaysia where Norberg found it?

Andrew.

Only problem is we do not know if that is BT36-6 do we.
My Spanish is non existent , but I cannot see anything that looks like a ch.no. in the summary.

I wonder if we can send them an email in English and ask about all 4 cars, and also ask re. ch.pl. numbers.

Bryan.

BT36/2
I didn't mention it earlier, but my notes say this car was with Mike Freeman in the UK for "many years". No dates, but some time between Howlings and Norberg (who I believe acquired it in 1993). I didn't hear any "Malaysian garage wall stories" but if they're true, they suggest the Howlings/Freeman car might have been a different ex-Rondel car

Garage wall story came direct from Leif when I spoke to him about a month ago. The son, for whom the car had been bought, died racing in the states so there it remained. What I dont know is where it went after John MacDonald in Hong Kong & before it got to the wall!! Stayed out in SE Asia?
(John MacDonald was at last weekends Macau 50th, he's won more classes there than anyone else)

David I wonder when "Fred Opert brought an ex Rondel car to the States"? because MidAm Formula Atlantic Championship winner for 1980 was Robert Willis, StL, Brabham BT36. www.midiv.org/PDF/MidamChamps.pdf I have no American publications to cross check this to see if BT36 is correct. Also I can not find any other mention of a BT36 in the States either -apart from Ian Hendersons own import and he hasn't heard of one either.
On a more positive note I hope to have another 36 chassis number accounted for very shortly.

BT36-10 History

I bought BT36-10 as a rolling chassis in Dec 76 from Mike Gue (dealer) in London. Was previously raced by Nick Overall in FA in UK (1975 season).I would like to confirm the ownership between 73 and 74. Did Iain McClaren have this BT36-10 for two years competing in hillclimb events. Appreciate any A/S references or other articles

Ian

Ian.

Wellcome.

As I expected , to sort these cars out as best we can , I am now in the middle of trolling through every A/S that I have , and recording every item in relation to a car that sounds like one of ''ours ''.
I am basically at the end of 1974 , as I type , and a lot of strange entities are arrising , as the cars are now being used in sprints etc. and not a lot of good info. is forthcoming.
Therefore I am about to do a month by month grid of known cars , and will then end up with cars not able to be ident. at that time , or cars whose whereabouts are unknown.

Mike Gue , did his business have a trading name????

At the moment , the last I have , and I am trying month by month ,is an advert.
David McKinney , noted your report re . later by MaClaren.

Autosport , Nov. 9th. 1972.

BT36 , Chassis no.10 , believed last space frame Brabham F2 car. Fitted with all latest tweaks : Rondel nose , 15" rear wheels, Brabham modified front suspension for latest front tyres.Very competitive ( 8th Albi G.P.) but much easier to repair and maintain than a monocoque car. With wet and dry tyres on wheels, complete set spare suspension links, dampers, drive shafts,nose,radiator. Fitted battery, BD4 exhaust, graviner, is absolutely complete less engine. 3000.00 pds.
Contact John Wingfield or Roger Tolson. Ascot 20040.

I will need a few days to collate all this info into a better chrono. order , and then will return with lots of really obscure owners trying to sort them into ch.no. cars.

Bryan.

Hi Bryan,
Mike Gue did have a business trading name, I believe he was tied in with a F3 Engine supplier, Nelson Racing Engines. My car was advertised in A/S Dec. 76 under a private number, but was sold to Mike Gue before I could respond to the advert. Nick Overall sold the BT36-10 in late 75 to someone? (did not race in 76) that placed an advert in A/S in Dec 76.

Ian

Originally posted by Bryan Miller

David McKinney , noted your report re . later by MaClaren.
I would have made the note at the time. If an ad appeared in Autosport I usually noted the exact date, or if one of the monthlies just the month. Although my McLaren notes just said "Nov" I checked the five November 1973 issues of Autosport last night (because they were easiest) with no success, then Motor Sport with the same negative result. Can only think the ad must have been in one of the other monthlies, which are not so easy for me to check...

David.

Badly worded by myself, what I was attempting to say, was that I knew you had later input , and was aknoledging same.

Sorry Bryan.

Yes I realised that Bryan
Just trying to bring you up to date with my attempts at confirmation

David,

Autosport 8/11/73, ex Ian MacLaren BT36, for sale by MRE (Racing Services)

Bryan,

Don't know what Mike Gue's business name might have been back then in London, but today he is in Atlanta area and either owns or is associated with Essex. I'll get you an email contact next week when I'm back in the office if that is something you wish.

Roger

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
David,
Autosport 8/11/73, ex Ian MacLaren BT36, for sale by MRE (Racing Services)
Thanks Jeremy
I see it now
Must be getting blind as well as stupid

Thanks Jeremy for the Iain McClaren/MRE ad ref.
Does anyone know about BT36-10 history in 1974. My understanding was that Nick Overall raced BT36-10 in FA only in 1975.

Other BT36 info. I did see BT36-1 several times in 1977. Once with FVC in F/Libre, and once with FVA at Thruxton Aug 77, entered in G8 event as F2 car. Car had been bought from Bob Howlings in late 76.

Ian

Who had BT36-1 in 1977 Ian?

Peter Kaye's car was BT35X/1

Roger and Ian.

Mike Gue's trading name in U.K. at least at the time we are talking about was Road and Track.
Found it yesterday whilst trolling.
Roger , I don't really need his contact in the U.S. thanks anyway.

Bryan.

Ian.

If you can bear with it for a while , I have 9 foolscap pages of BT30/5/6 references up to the end of 1975.
At the moment I am trying to make some sense of it , before I post , and then I will be asking some serious questions of our learned English contributors , as some may ring bells , that don't ring in OZ.

Bryan.

Hi Bryan, David
I do not recall the name of the owner/driver for the BT36-1 in 77 in the F/Libre UK events.

I was interested in the Felthams Glassworks BT30 Nov 75 ad ref. A friend of mine in UK said that he had seen a BT36 very similar to mine (#10) being run in F/Libre by the Felthams Glassworks in the 73/74 timeframe. I am wondering if that could have been BT36-10 ownership in 1974.
Ian

BT36-10 , ex Wingfield/ Nicoby Racing , small update.

For sale by Wingfield and called as BT36-10 ,25-1-1973, A/S. p.46.
For sale Wingfield BT36 A/S. 15-2-1973 , all modifications , streamlined nose etc.

At Doune , Scotland 10-5-1973 A/S. p. 48.
At Doune again , and report ''Iain Mclaren very happy in his ex. Wingfield BT36.
8TH. in the leaders runs, A/S. 21-6-1973.

IIRC he was in to a Rondel M1 for 1974 , I can't find any report of Overall in car , again quite a few adverts. that could be car , but nothing definate.

Bryan.

No, I have nothing on Overall in this car in 1975 either, though he did race the ex-Salisbury BT35 about ten years later.

Here is one of the 2 that I have been waiting for, "Please Explain?" as a certain Queensland politician once said.

(For those outside OZ an interviewer used a long word that was way beyond one of our politicians.)

Bryan if you have the answer I would prefer an explanation that does not lead to you & I being sued for defamation!!!!!
Andrew


via email this morning from France;
"Christian Geoffroy Have BT36-20

Bests Regards
Remy Née"

-Remy is a very quick driver in a BT28 and races in the Euro F2 as does Christian.

Andrew.

Sooner or later this sort of thing was going to emerge.

First and only guess is, somebody can't read.

David McKinney advised earlier in this thread that Michael Baudoin had BT30-20 in France about 10 years ago , perhaps it is BT30-20 , and not 36-20, some of the ch.pl. have had a hard time.

Also , while not a direct answer , Formula 1 Register [ F1R ] reports at Estoril 21-10-1973 that Fina enter Rolf Stommelen in BT30-36 , and he was on the grid and finished 3rd. on the day. Stommelen used BT30-25 in 1970 and BT36-4 in 1971 , but BT30-36 is out of left field.

Can you enquire of Remy Nee the history of the car.????

Bryan.

David (McKinney) any chance Christian Geoffroy was at Zolder when you spoke to Bo or that you have seen his car since? -Andrew

Bryan, if David can't add to this one I will contact Remy again in a couple of days.

BT36's only.

To try to advance these cars , as there is less of them than BT30's, and they should therefore be easier !!!

BT36-1 , current Andrew Fellowes / Australia.

Rondel/ Schenken ,1971 including Brasil end of year.
For sale Rondel 9-12-1971 A/S.
To Tate of Leeds , via Bob Howlings and leased ??to Graham Hill for early 1972 F2 2.0 Litre , until Hills BT38 del.
Through Malcolm Wayne /Brabham Racing Services , Bob Howlings [ dealer ] and apparently to Arthur Moore , reported in ex. Rondel/Howlings BT36 A/S. 21-6-1973.
Problems ?? No def. ch.no. report for Moore only ex Howlings , so could be ch.no.-2 or -9.
-2 unlikely , -9 more likely of the two.

BT36-2, Current Leif Norberg / Sweeden.
Rondel , for Graham Hill and Bob Wollek , Hill in Brasil in late 1971, for sale Rondel 9-12-1971, Autosport report Hills car sold to ''a gentleman in Japan ''.
Is this poss. a gentleman in S.E.Asia by the name of John Macdonald , who certainly had what appears to be an ex. Rondel car for Macau Nov.1972.
Equally it may have gone to Japan to Kuniomu Nagamatsu , F1R report -3-5-1973 for Bellco Racing with a Mitsbishi eng.
If it is Macdonald , what did he do with car.??? sell or retain???
If Nagamatsu , car to one of the other teams ,e.g Kairo. ??

BT36-3 , current with Willy Markwalder in Switzerland.
1971 , Bernt Terbeck , who used car all through 1971 and retained into 1972 until crash at Hockenheim 16-4-1972 , accident involving New Zealand Driver Bert Hawthorne [ fatal ] , Autosport report Terbecks car badly damaged in accident. No furthur period reports of this chassis no.
What happened to car ?? returned to factory for rebuild ??
repaired in Europe , sold as is ????

BT36-4 , Current Sid Hoole U.K.

New to Roland Binder and used all through 1971 , 1972 and into 1973 until last appearance at Misano 22-7-1973.
No furthur period reports.

BT36-5 , current ??? poss. report in Paris circa 1990 for sale.

New for Peter Westbury 1971 and retained into early 1972 and last used by Westbury at Thruxton F2 rd. 3-4-1972 , into U.K. hillclimbs with Nick Koob , thence to Chris Choat , reported in ex. Westbury car 28-3-1974 p.35.
Still with car at Aintree 13-6-1974 p.29.
Still with car 26-9-1974 .
No advert. by Choat found by me , 1975 Choat now reported at least twice in a BT35 , poss. mix-up ????
Poss. to John ? Hardesty .

BT36-6 , Now ??poss. in France , or -7 .
Automobile Club Argentina for Carlos Reutemann F2 series in 1971 and car in Brasil , did car return to U.K. ??unlikely , given report in Autosport that the 2 x BT30's and the 2 x BT36's were to be used in a race driving school in Argentina , along with 9 x FVA's to service them.
One car reported to be ch. -6 , but ex Ruesch in France.

BT36-7 , same scenario as BT36-6 , except Carlos Ruesch as driver.
At least one BT 36 resides in the Museum in Argentina 2003.

BT36-8 , Current unknown .

New to Ireland for Archie Phillips 1971 and 1972.
1973 to Eddie Regan , Autosport 1-2-1973 p.6.
retained untill Bob Leckie reported as having just acquired the ex. Eddie Regan BT36 Autosport 31-5-1973 p.31.
A car for sale by Leckie but called a BT35 Autosport 29-8-1974 , p60.
In the meantime BT36-8 poss. to Phil Barak 14-3-1974 , and this car retained , and for sale 31-10-1974 p.55.
No further def. details , but many advert. could be this car. Seems to have gone to ground.

BT36-9 , Current unknown.
Rondel for Bob Wollek 1971 after sharing Hills car earlier in season , first record of appearance Rouen , 27-6-1971 , for sale at 9-12-1971 , and sold to Uniacke Chemicals/Richard Scott for F2 at Mallory Park 12-3-1972 , could be the car to Arthur Moore , also equally could have gone to Japan , or more likely to John Macdonald for Macau Nov.1972. Current Ian Henderson ,Tucson Arisona since late 1976 .

BT36-10 , New for John Wingfield , 1971 , 1972 Nicoby Racing for Wingfield , for sale by Wingfield 15-2-1973 , with streamlined nose and updates etc.
To Iain McLaren by 10-5-1973 and used for rest of hillclimb season , no definate report of sale and many adverts. could be car , via Mike Gue/Road and Track [ dealer ] to current.

BT36-11 , curent reported as Andy Newall U.K.

New to Silvio Moser 1971/Marlboro Racing at Imola 25-7-1971.In 1972 finally takes delivery of new BT38 after some no shows .
Very likely candidate for car for sale by MRE 14-9-1972 , reported as very little use by continental driver.
No more known.

BT36-12 , current unknown.

New to Noritake Takahara and retained into 11-11-1973 , before taking del. of new March 742 for 1974.
Poss. to Kawaguchi , for 1974, by 1975 F1R report BT36-12 with Asoaka .
No further known.

Plenty of owners with unidentifyable cars during period 1973-1976 , can anybody put chassis to any of these names.

Ted Payne BT36 at Cadwell Park August 1974, and Croft March 1975.
BT36 BDA for sale , Newcastle on Tyne 1850 cc, April 1975.
BT36 ex. Rondel , less eng. only Oct. 1975 , Cheshire Sports Cars, and again into Jan. 1976.
BT36 for sale as a rolling chassis for about 4 months in East Horsley , owner finally stating previous cheque ''rubber ''.
Bob Howlings own car after he retires BT36 FVC , and ex Rondel.April 1976.
Finally BT36, rolling chassis , good order , 600.00 pds. Godalming ph.no.

Bryan , pardon the mistakes I am sure to have made.

'nother one. Quote,
BT36X Mich McDowel Kun hill climb repco 5.0 lt motor
Ole Sommer Museum

www.hms.dk/formel/register.htm

Andrew

Originally posted by Andrew Fellowes
David (McKinney) any chance Christian Geoffroy was at Zolder when you spoke to Bo or that you have seen his car since?.
Yes, Geoffroy and his car were at that Zolder. I noted the number but didn't speak to the man. I haven't seen man or beast since.

The computer has made a few mistakes.

1 , it merged Ian Henderson into the bottom of BT36-9.
2 , totally ignored the item reported by Chris Townsend in regard to the fact that an ex Rondell BT36 was in the U.S.A circa 1973.
3 , Totally forgot to print out BT36X , new as hillclimb car for Mike Macdowell , 5.0 litre Repco , retained untill A/S 14-11-1974 , when advert. for sale, to Tony Brown, advert. for sale by Brown,14-10-1976 A/S p61.

The computer offers apologies.

Noted the computer apology, Remarkable because computers being female don’t usually apologise.

Racing Car News 1973? (photo copy missing last line).

"The strongest ever Australian attack on the Manilla Grand Prix, run in the capital of the Philippines at the end of January …..met defeat. …. Two other Australians appeared in Manilla, running in the F Libre 50-lapper the day after the GP. They were John MacDonald, now resident of Hong Kong, who drives a Brabham Ford."

What I don’t have is the results or evidence it was a BT36. I will borrow the mag again.

Shellsport G8
16th April 1976 Oulton Park. Bob Howlings BT36 BDA 10th

27th June 1976 Mallory Park John Tait BT36 BDA & Philip Guerola BT30 BDA both did not start.

2nd October 1977 John Tait BT36 BDA 31 laps not classified

Was John Tait in Bob Howlings' car or his own? - if Howlings had an ex Rondel in '76 was this the same car?

David thanks for the note, reply sent.

McDonald was racing a BT40 by 1973

Re Bryan's last run-down:

BT36-3
appeared fairly regularly in European historic racing from 1984 (or perhaps even earlier) until 1998

BT36-8
Barak raced in 1975 as well. I have a vague recollection of hearing he still owned the car in the late 1980s

BT36-11
in European historic racing early 1990s

Thanks for the updates .

BT36X, Mike Macdowell hillclimb car , is in a museum in Europe, how long has that been there??????
All I am trying to achieve is finding out what these cars have been up to , if anything.

Bryan.

Hi Bryan,
A few comments on the BT36 updated listing and misc ads. Two of the misc. ads are for BT36-10.The first one is East Horsley/4 months (Nick Overall ad) and the second ad (Goldaming)is the one I responded to in Dec 76 and then bought my brabham from Mike Gue.
Also, BT36-1 was up for sale in 76 and bought from Bob Howlings by ? owner in late 76.I saw the car eraly in 77 and verified #1 chassis no.
Ian

Ian .
Thats great , when dealers are also drivers , we can't discern if they have their own ''pet '' car , or keep demonstrating stock , and turning them over.
So Howlings was BT36-1 from ??????? to mid 1976 , when he announces retirement , and car for sale,and looks like it goes to Tait.
This means the advert. 1-1-1976 , is BT36-1 as well.

This then gives us a pretty full trail for BT36-10 , up to purchase by yourself, apart from a bit of a light time 1974-6 , with Overall appearing to do very little if anything with car.

Bryan.

Thanks ,David , that is why I had not called out anything in regard to him, except in this case from start of 1976 , with his adv. and incl. a photo at the G8 race in April 76 of the car with it's Rondel nose, pretty much devines it at that date as BT36-1.
What I really should have said was from at least start of 1976 , and poss. earlier.

Bryan.

From mid 76 John Tait owner/raced BT36-1. That was the name I was trying to remember. I met John in UK and confirm that he had bought BT36-1 and had rondel nose and FVC engine. Later changed to FVA for G8 event at Thruxton Aug. 77. The race report for G8 'not classified' 31 laps is correct, the car was not v.competitive against much more modern entries.
The other Ad for a BT36/BDA in Newcastle,March 75 could be for BT36-10, that is the timeframe that Nick Overall acquired my car. Ian

Very interesting on 36-1 as I had been told it was in France from ’74 to 86. Clearly not so!

The table below is taken from my files of HSCC Pre ’71 entries & results. I have attempted to list which year driver & car first appeared. (I have no results for 1984 as I took that year off).
Can anyone add the missing chassis numbers to the following for me?

1988
BT36-1 John Harper, Thruxton


1989
BT36-1 Peter Williams, Donington

1990
BT36-? Fredy Kumschick entered Hans Peter at Brands Hatch on the 2nd June.

I was trotting around paddocks with my little notebook throughout the period, but can't add as much as I hoped I might:

1988
BT36-1 John Harper, Thruxton

1989
BT36-1 Peter Williams, Donington

1990
BT36-3 Fredy Kumschick entered Hans Peter at Brands Hatch on the 2nd June.

BT36-5 Owner Abba Kogan, car raced last year in New Zealand with BDA

This seems to fill a gap in my records
I have Kogan in 1999 in a car which had been campaigned since 1993 by John Beasley (and a slew of guest drivers), but whose number I never did discover. This car had been owned by John Harper in 1992.
Last note I have under BT36/5 is it being for sale in Paris in 1990.
It all ties in...

All.

I had a look at the final results for the Euro F2 Series, and the following car and drive is as below.

BT36 , Christian Geoffroy , France, BT36-20 ??????????

Can anybody assist with identification.?

Bryan.

A little update on BT36s from Rondel

Motoring News also reports the sale of the three cars

Schenken to Howlings; Hill's to Hong Kong [hey Autosport could easily get it wrong, they're nearby!]; Wolleck's to Kendall, with the proviso that Richard Scott was going to race it in F2 until his BT38 was delivered.

Howlings is reported by MN as racing the ex Schenken car at Croft Libre race in March, car then goes to Tate of Leeds for Hill until the BT38 arrives.
The Hong Kong car is indeed MacDonalds. Vern Schuppan does a report for MN on the Singapore GP and remarks that MacDonald's car is the ex Hill car. I guess this goes to Japan soon after for Nagamatsu

This more or less means, I think that 36-9 is the Opert car. But can someone tell me what Jose Arauyo's car was in 1974 British Atlantic. The most likely one is 10 in between MacLaren and Overall.

Chris

Chris,

I was at that Libre race at Croft in March 72, and Howlings did drive BT36-1

Hi Chris,
I just noted your ref. to Jose Arauyo's BT36 in 74 FA. Do you have a report ref. and any details. I am trying to trace BT36-10 history for that year. Trying to contact Nick Overall to find out who he bought BT36-10 from and when. Also,to find out the Salisbury/Gerrard BT35 chassis number.
Ian

What year did Opert import the 36 into the States?

Chris and Ian.

Chris, thanks for that, which is what I proposed earlier , that the gentleman in Japan , was actually a gentleman in S.E.Asia, back then the level of knowledge of the various countries ''up there '' if you were Australian , or ''down there '' if you were English was hardly as it is today.

That really looks like BT36-9 has to be the suspect to go to Opert, and then as we have still no reports of the car , possibly became Andrews 1980's Can-Am BT36 and Ian Henderson can go and find it and have a matched pair.

Bryan.

The second Japanese BT36 first appears at Fuji on the 3rd May 1973.
It could easily be 36-2 & I am waiting for information on when & where this car went to after MacDonald. It could also be a number of other cars. It would be nice to eliminate 36-9 by tying a date to it.

I have this ref. for a BT30 in Japan recently.
http://www.tim.hi-ho.ne.jp/tiare/SCCJ.htm
Brabham Bt30 in Green Flag F Class

The MidAm 1980 trail has proved incorrect it was in fact a BT38. Many thanks to the MidAm guys for digging into their records for me.

I am unable to find any evidence of a BT36 in the states.
so did Fred Opert pass his "ex Rondel BT36" on to Japan?

Lets wake this thread up again.

Two of the 36’s that have gone to ground. #8 & 9 –last heard of in:-

BT36-9 29 June ’72 John Kendall, Brands Hatch. rtd.
BT36-8. 31 Oct ’74 FOR SALE. Phil Barak ,Whitley Bay, Tyne & Wear

Does anyone know the whereabouts of John Kendall or Phil Barak ?

Ok another one to put to bed, :o

BT36-12 Noritake Takahara, confirmed still in Japan

Finally contacted Nick Overall and confirmed that BT35-28 is with Peter Shaw in UK. Also, BT35-? (ex Salisbury/Gerrad)is still with Nick Buttress, UK. Nick is looking for the chassis number.
Also, confirmed that Nick Overall raced BT36-#10 in the UK J-Brands F/Libre series for 75 season.Ian

Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, I for one will be at the beach or in the swimming pool. All the best for the New Year to all those in the cold north!

Hi Andrew . Im spending my Xmas Printing some photos for an ex-pat english guy living in Australia, and on boxing day going to look at an old BT36 thats been sitting in a shed for 20 years(but you dont want to know that do you )

He means "allegedly been sitting in a shed for 20 years"

Seriously Ted, those funny cigarettes aren’t good for you, However JUST IN CASE the "alleged" BT36 in the "alleged" barn is not a figment of some intergalactic trip, I have booked a ticket with Qantas to arrive Heathrow Saturday morning UK time.

(That Pom in Oz will be so pleased, photos, what photos?)

My wife and I are going on holidays to Queensland , and I will visit Andrew , and we will be dismantling small components off BT35-8 and BT36-1 , enought to enable a new discovery to be achievable and found in a disused barn on a property , somewhere approx. 20 miles East/ Southeast of Cloncurry Queensland, the main problem as I see it will be coming up with a creditable trail to support the FIND.

Well we ARE going to Queensland and calling on Andrew.

All the best to everyone.

Bryan.

Trip to the UK cancelled,

McCafferty bus booked to Cloncurry,

Andrew

Bryan
That will no doubt be the car Bob Jane imported as a spare, and which was raced once or twice in period without anyone knowing (we all assumed if was the regular car as it was painted up the same). It was subsequently passed through various owners before, I believe, ending up with someone in Queensland.
Merry Christmas!

Damn , there just are no secrets anymore.
Merry Christmas!

Now I am in a muddle as to how many have been found, are we talking the 1st chassis or the 2nd chassis?

Bryan & David, I thought there had been one found by that famous Irish Brabham hunter Paddy O’Walker, or was it his cousin from Scotland, Innes McWalker? Anyway it was in a barn somewhere near a pub I think.

Now, where did I leave that cigarette?

Andrew , David has unfortunately let the cat out of the bag.
The car at Cloncurry is actually Jack,s T car from Monaco 1971, with the experimental Cosworth FVP 2140cc eng and even more experimental Hewland FT235.5 , so experimental that Cosworth and Hewland don't know about them.
Via a long and hazardous [ nearly unbelievable ] trail , involving a reclusive billionare American collector , a mutiny , customs imperfections , and other events, the car arrived in Cloncurry , and has been gathering red dust ever since.Now we have to collect both cars before someone else ''discovers '' them,

Have another glass of red , thanks don't mind if I do.

BT36-11 : is this the car that Alain Filhol used in 92 in Euro F2 before it went to Roncchi in Italy ?

Originally posted by phdm
BT36-11 : is this the car that Alain Filhol used in 92 in Euro F2 before it went to Roncchi in Italy ?
Yes
Now back in the UK with Andy Newall, I believe

Originally posted by phdm

BT36-11 : is this the car that Alain Filhol used in 92 in Euro F2 before it went to Roncchi in Italy ? [/B]

David I believe this is now in the Murray stable with BT30-12

phdm it would be useful to identify Sepps’ car wouldn’t it? I had not appreciated that it was to 36 spec. Very interesting.
By chance do you have any info on Christian Geoffroy’s BT36? I have been advised that this is chassis number 20 but I don’t understand that.

Andrew

BT36-11 it seems indeed that the car was recently sold by Newall.

No info the the car raced Geoffroy car but by looking at old posts you had some info from Remy Nee who I think builds the engine for him.

I am wondering what happened to the yellow BT36 that Thierry Demortier raced a few years ago. The car was sold but I don't know where it went and I don't know what the chassis number was.

I have long puzzled over the BT36 that appears in one Silverstone Atlantic race in 1974 with Peter Vincent at the wheel.

Then I found these adverts in Autosport

20.1.72 'BT30 raced by Reid last year' P.Vincent, Cranberry Lodge Garage, Bryn, Nr. Wigan

and

5.6.75 'BT30 with 36 suspension' P.Vincent, Wigan

So, Vincent buys 30-8 off Reid at the end of 1971, doesn't sell it, and instead puts 36 suspension on it [hence calling it a 36 in 1974] and finally disposes of it in '75

Any help to anyone?

Chris

Chris many thanks for the 30-8 update. For me of course its especially interesting as I had that car for several years.
I wonder what they up dated to 36 spec? The suspension pick up points are different on 30 to a 36 but as I never measured them I had assumed it was pure BT30. The rear frame was standard BT30 box section with out board brakes, I had the top rear cross member changed to make it detachable like the 36. The work was done by the lads that made the chassis originally.
The chassis had been wrapped around a tree hill climbing and the starter motor fouled on the near side rear upright so I had it scalloped to allow clearance. Driven near the limit it got quite twitchy unlike the 36 I now own which is very placid by comparison. Yet it all looked straight.
It must be a rare 30 in that it still retains the aluminium fuel tanks.

Chris, thanks again & I will pass that on to its owner in the States who I know will appreciate the information, -he has all my files on the car!! -I wish I had kept copies!

Andrew

Originally posted by phdm

Trevor Needham now resides in France. Read he recently drove a G4.


Thanks for the info, explains why I couldn't get him at his old address!

Thierry Demortier, I have not come across this name in any results sheets, what time frame do you recall? -I will talk to Remy again!!

I have Thierry de Mortier racing his BT36 in 1999. Can't help beyond that though

Bryan, I thought I had seen the name from one of the ads you found in A/S for Ian yesterday.

This doesn't help much but perhaps some one else can!

John Hardesty drove a BT36 in F Libre in '74, and the add you found, 10-7-75 BT36 ex John Hardesty with racing services 2.0 alloy , ft200 , will split

It could be 3, 9 or 10.

It can't be 2, 5, 8, 11 or 12.

1, 4, 6 & 7 are unlikely but possible.

74 is the same year that Jose Arauyo was racing a BT36 in Atlantic.

The options are are slowly reducing!!
Andrew

Originally posted by phdm

I am wondering what happened to the yellow BT36 that Thierry Demortier raced a few years ago. The car was sold but I don't know where it went and I don't know what the chassis number was.

phdm, I have just had confirmation that this was BT36-20, the chassis that Christian Geoffroy now has, for how long Thierry de Mortier (thanks David!) owned the car I am not sure, -I am none the wiser as to its history.

Many thanks Remy for your help yet again!

Thierry De Mortier was racing the car in 1995. He still had it in 1999. He probably sold it in 2000.

Originally posted by phdm
Thierry De Mortier was racing the car in 1995. He still had it in 1999. He probably sold it in 2000.
I too have de Mortier in the car in 1999, but Geoffroy had it at Zolder the same year

Originally posted by David McKinney
I too have de Mortier in the car in 1999, but Geoffroy had it at Zolder the same year

David,
Do you mean in the same race ?
De Mortier still had the BT36 in March 1999. I have a note of that. By the time he started racing the BT23 the BT36 had been sold. I thought it was in 2000 but it could be in 1999.

BT36-20, as we have no record of production of any more than 12 cars , is it possible that this car is not BT36-20 , but actually BT35-20 converted to BT36 specifications , from we know not what, F3 ???

Bryan.

Thanks Bryan - clears things up

phdm - no, not the same race. My note for de Mortier just says '1999', so it could mean no later than the March you mentioned. Can't remember specifically where I saw it (or of it). It was in Geoffroy's hands by Zolder, which IIRC was late August 1999

Dave I may be a Rookie on this forum but I would like to say a Warm Welcome!

& what a sensational first post!

Bryan where are you?

BT36-8 I have a tiny bit more on, last known owner I now have as Bob Howlings in 75(?). My thanks to Phil Barak for a very enjoyable half hour on the phone last night!!

Andrew

Originally posted by Andrew Fellowes
BT36-5 Owner Abba Kogan, car raced last year in New Zealand with BDA


Just to confirm this number.

Checked Kogan's car at Manfeild last weekend.

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
Just to confirm this number.

Checked Kogan's car at Manfeild last weekend.

Milan it appears to have side mounted oil cooler in the photo that Warbirds have on their site, am I correct?

Andrew

That's certainly what it looks like in the photo. I'm sure I took a photo of the car so I'll be able to confirm that when I get them developed.

Welcome to our two newest contributors.

Andrew, I will have to go and recap on that question.

Bryan.

Andrew,

The BT29 and BT30 share the same engine cover. The BT29 has a fiberglass undertray (no side bulge) with the fuel cell behind the seat. The BT30 has fiberglass sidepods with fuel cells located inside. BT30 side pods are the same as BT36. Most BT35's had aluminum side tanks with fiberglass contoured ends, fore and aft.

David Irwin

David as Ted says, aluminium and very easy to dent but what lovely craftmanship shaped around the chassis rails like some of the earlier cars.


Originally posted by David McKinney
BT36/2
I didn't mention it earlier, but my notes say this car was with Mike Freeman in the UK for "many years".


Spoke to Mike last night, and sadly David the answer is no. He did own a BT30 which is still in the UK.

The only remaining question I have on the BT36 story is who was John Tait who raced one in '77?

Andrew

ISTR that John Tait who had the BT36 later raced in the British Saloon Car series with a Toyota. Was he an airline pilot or similar, vaguely rings a bell ??

Dan and Andrew,
I can confirm that John Tait was an airline pilot in the 1977 timeframe, when he owned/raced BT36#-1 in UK F/Libre series. I met him several times to see his BT36.

Bryan,
Reference the 1972 MRD letter on BT35's up to #52. My BT36-10 has an updated rollover bar with horizontal head rest barand support plate. I assume that is the new FIA reg. arcticle 297 that was required in 72. I am wondering if these BT35's (#48-#52)would be F3 cars req. FIA compliance?

Does anyone have confirmation that John Hardesty was racing BT36-10 in 1974 in Uk Libre series, a previous post suggested that John Hardesty may have raced BT36-#5 in 74.

gentlemen,

Iam a new member of the forum to day.

As i want to add my touch, there is the knowledge

i can transmit.

As i goes to MONTHLERY coupes de l'age d'or in 1993

i note :BRABHAM BT 36:BT 36/20:Thierry de MORTIER.

Salutations.

David I have found the answer to what happened to BT36-2 that we talked about way, way back!

After John MacDonald it went to Manilla in 1973 to;-

Eddie Macello
Rado Campo
Louis Camus

As yet I dont have the sale dates!

So that was the Rado Campo BT36. I had always wondered.

Only kidding. Never heard of him either.

Pity Queen are not still writing songs, fits one of theirs quite well!!!!

Aha!
Thanks for that
Probably the bloke whose name I know as Rod Ocampo

David I think your versions sounds much more plausible, Leif's note to me may be wrong but I will have more details by November.

I know nothing of any of these drivers!

I think that Eddie Macello would be Eduardo Marcello - later owner of an ex Opert Chevron B34

Chris

Did we ever solve this one from Bryan? I have done a search but couldn't find the answer if we did.

Ted Payne BT36 at Cadwell Park August 1974, and Croft March 1975.
I also have a Motoring News report of Payne with a Vegantune BT36 in August of that year.

The likely cars are 3 or 4.

In 1974 Howlings had 36-1, 36-2 was in SE Asia, 36-5 was Koob/Choat, 36-6 & 7 were in Argentian, Barak had 36-8, Araujo had 36-9, Hardesty had 36-10, 11 was in Switzerland? and 12 was in Japan.

Chris, Marcello had friends in high places I am told. Financial service industry for ex presidents.

Chris,

Interesting you have FL-1-65 against the U.K. hillclimb car , I noted this in an Autosport circa 1970.

The BT14 sold new to Bib Stillwell in 1965 has always had this same number , I wonder what the story is.????

Young Andrew , when are you going to enlighten the world as to your recent Brabham BTxxxxx acquisition.???????????

Bryan.

ahhhhhh!

Phillip Island, Feb 26th, is my indend date to debut Rondel Racings' BT36-1 and BT36-2 together for the first time in 33 years.

After a talk with Neil Trundle both are being repainted in original colours with original style logos.

36-2 still has its original dash and body work. It also has the modified front roll bar brackets done in order to raise the steering wheel for Graham Hill.

I can be found these days, sitting in my garage, with a glazed look, and stupid grin. Sometimes I manage to lift a spanner, and do a bit more work.

Should be track testing around Christmas time, if its not too hot. Oh the hardships of living in the sub tropics!

Andrew complete with "big engine" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Ted , that will be most usefull in the eligibility inspection , will it not Andrew.???

Bryan.

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Andrew complete with "big engine" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pst! -sush, don't tell anyone.
;)

Ted, its lucky Mr Harper does not post here!!

36-9 continues to avoid dection but I am considerably closer to the last known owner. Only problem is there are hundreds with the same surname in the phone book!

36-8 on the other hand has gone stone dead cold, ending with Bob Howlings in '75. Phil Barak never saw it again nor can I find any reports in Autosport.

As Andrew Fellowes now owns BT36-1 and BT36-2 , there would appear to be serious scope for cloning , and a spare will be produced over Xmas , chassis plated BT36-1 1/2. which we all know was the much used spare car for Schenken/Hill/ Wollek. We need a serious trail on this Andrew, via Argentina would seem a safe bet , as nobody seems to have any contacts over there, no publications , nobody can read Spanish/ Portugese , etc.etc.
Alternatively , you could actually FIND over there the long lost BT36-9.

Bryan as you know we have a very good ex-F1 fabricator living in the hills here. I thought a full production run of BT 35/36's given the new FIA rules that are going to be used in European Historic Races.
I haven't thought how the chassis' should be numbered. Instead of BT how about BE as a gesture to thank little Bernie?

The following is a list of Brabham drivers in the aforementioned championship:

1973
Iain McLaren in a BT36 and for the June Doune only a BT30
Bob Leckie in a BT36 with FVC engine

:Santa: :Santa: :Santa: :Santa: :Santa:

Steve, interesting indeed. I speculate that Ian McLaren might have been a BT30 all along. They were sometimes confused by reporters.I wonder which chassis number?

Bob Leckie was BT36-8 but I didn't have the FVC bit in my notes, (and this car is very sadly still missing).

I have McLaren in the ex-Winfield BT36-10 in 1973

ANDREW - the information comes from the reviews of the Scottish Championship. The first volume was done as a retrospective in the late 80s and it may well have lifted details from the programmes and club entry lists - hence the BT30 for McLaren and the FVC in Bob Leckie's BT36.

:happyny3:

oh David thank you, & I see advertised for sale in Autosport on the 27th Sept 1973 p.58 and 4th Oct p.57

BT36-1 , Rondel Racing / Schenken all of 1971.
For sale large adv. by Rondel end of 1971 , all three cars.

A/S 24-2-1972 , reports all three of Rondels Brabham BT36 cars have now been sold.
Tim Schenken's car to Bob Howlings.
Car seems to have been hired to Tate of Leeds for G. Hill for early 1972 F2 rounds , untill Hills BT38 is delivered.
For sale Tate of Leeds 27-4-1972 p.65.

Re. the 3 Rondel cars , Chris Townsend has seperate reports , one stating a car with Fred Opert in the U.S.A is ex. Rondel BT36 , and a seperate adv. Athur Moore in an ex. Rondel car..
BT36-1 now with Andrew Fellowes in Australia.

Did we get any further with this car? I've got a story of an ex-Hill Brabham in the US being used as the basis of the Osprey Can-Am car in 1977/78. Could this be the car reported above as being ex-Rondel and with Opert? The story I have is that it was with someone in Chicago before becoming the Osprey.

If not BT36/1 then maybe BT36/2? Or maybe BT36/1.5? ;)

Allen

Allen 36-1 & 2 are in my garage,
No.2 was found by Leif Norberg in 88 in Manila, all there except engine. The gearbox he had to dig up out of the mud but its restored and back in the car. The steering column is as per the mods done for Hill shorter, and set under the front anti-roll bar. I think the dash is 100% as it was in 71. A very original bit of kit.
the 3rd car No.9 I will p m you about later today.
Regards Andrew

oh & Fred Opert says he didn't have a BT36. Charlie Lucas rang him for me as 'Freddy' used to be the Titan importer.

Andrew

Please can you check your PMs!

Chris

Monza, June 26th 1973

There were 4 BT36's entered (F2R). Is this possible?

Bob Marsland/Bob Marsland with Hart power was a NC
Alfred Amweg CH/Alfred Amweg -DNA (BT36-11?)
Roland Binder D/Roland Binder (BT36-4)DNA
Dave Morgan GB/Edward Reeves DNA


Who was Bob Marsland? Was this really a BT36 & if so which one, was Edward Reeves' car a BT36?

The earlier Reeves/Morgan car was #8 (which doesn't mean this was the same car)

Yes indeed, -I was expecting Bryan to have his two penny worth!!

By the by David, Bryan will be out in the A1GP support race at Eastern Creek, the car looks stunning in full Dave Morgan spec. -except it might have 14's & not 12's on the rears-!!! It will be a touch warmer than Mallory was in March 1972.

Bob Marsland was a hill climber and ran a Reliant Sabre ex works rally car before owning the Brabham.Not sure about the Monza thing though !!!!

Bob M also did some 2-litre G6 racing, with a Chevron B26 (??). Backed by a company called 'Hayseech Grey Iron Castings' at one point. They don't make em like that anymore !

Ted/Dan thank you for the Bob info,

I guess I thought I had a full list of BT36 owners for 1973, except perhaps for BT36-9 which I have as John Kendall sold to Jose Araujo with a ? (Jose was a very wealthy Argentinean, F Atlantic & some rally driving from the little I can find)

Any ideas which chassis number Bob's car could have been?

Andrew,

Marsland is also quoted in F2R 3 races earlier at Nivelles as racing a BT35, so the BT36 may not necessarily be so (or vice versa or course)

Andrew,

I can only think that the entry for Dave Morgan is either a typo. or he was to drive someone else's car , as up to that point Ed Reeves/ Dave Morgan had been running their Chevron B25-73-04 , which he carried over into the U.K. Atlantic series in 1974 as a team mate to Alan Jones in my March , in the Custom Made/ Harry Stiller Team.

It certainly can't be BT35-8 as that left the U.K. in April 1972 to come over here.

Bryan.

Thanks Bryan, I just couldn't remember when your car arrived in Australia, but I thought it was here by '73.
So Amweg most likely in 36-11, Dave Morgan quite simply unlikely, Binder in the ex Stommelen car, that just leaves Marsland, what was he in I wonder?

Andrew,

As I mentioned above, Marsland's quoted in a BT35 at Nivelles, this may be more likley as I think he drove a BT35 in the 1972 Phoenix Park race, but I haven't got a report to hand to comfirm..

Jeremy I am sure you are right, sorry I didn't mean to ignore your suggestion!! -with such a plethora of ancient BT36’s it all highly unlikely, Autosport lists the reason that Marsland was at Monza was because he was on his way to a hill climb in with his “BT36”

What was the attraction of Monza? Was there good start money that attracted so many?

One of our other contributors here with good Swiss contacts has offered to find out about Amweg, or is this a name that means anything to anyone?

Andrew,

Amweg did 3 F2 races in 1973 in the ex-Moser BT38-21, according to F1R, so is this BT36 at Monza another typo / error?

Well thats just what has been suggested to me by the owner of Moser's BT36!! -many thanks James it looks as though you and Jeremy must be right! It's the logical answer.

To recap,

Marsland is in a BT35
Amweg is in a BT38
Binder is flogging around in 36-4 and
Dave Morgan and Ed Reeves are in Cloud Cuckoo Land

Excellent.

New personal record as I don’t think I’ve set so many hares or wild geese running around 10 tenths in one hit before.

Many thanks to everyone for helping straighten this one out.

BT30-27
1970
Prototype BT36. Delivered to Bob Jane, Australia. Denis Luton reports that the new drive shafts & donuts arrived in the docks December 26th 1970. (this does not match delivery date?)
Ex factory 23-3-71 with FT200-452.
1971
1972 Driven by John Harvey
then to Denis Lupton, Ian Cook now with Peter Johnson, Sydney, Australia

BT36X
1971 Mike McDowel with 5ltr Repco
1974 for sale Mike McDowel 14th November, then sold to Tony Brown
1976 14th October for sale Tony Brown
now in Ole Sommer Museum as of 2003

BT36-1 Rondel Racing
1971
Hockenheim Tim Schenken 5th
Thruxton Tim Schenken 5th
Pau Tim Schenken 8th
Nurburgring Tim Schenken 28th
Jarama Tim Schenken 12th
Crystal Palace Tim Schenken 2nd
Rouen Tim Schenken 6th
Mantorp Tim Schenken 2nd
Kinnekullering Tim Schenken 3rd
Brands Hatch Tim Schenken 18th
Tullen-Langlebarn Tim Schenken 2nd
Albi Tim Schenken 16th
Vallelunga Tim Schenken 21st
Vallelunga Tim Schenken dna
Interlagos Tim Schenken 14th
Interlagos Tim Schenken 9th
Taruma Tim Schenken 7th
Cordoba Tim Schenken 1st
1972
Thruxton Graham Hill 8th
Hockenheim Graham Hill 13th
1972 Tait of Leeds
1972 Malcom Wayne
and sold to Bob Howlings
1973 Arthur Moore, nothing more ‘till
1976 Bob Howlings sold to
1976-8 John Tait
1978-9 Bill Ness sold to;
1979-86? Anthony Mayman
1986-9 bought by John Harper (via Ted Walker) sold to;
1989-2000 Peter Williams sold to;
2000- Andrew Fellowes Australia

BT36-2 Rondel Racing
1971
Hockenheim Graham Hill 2nd
Thruxton Graham Hill 1st
Pau Graham Hill 10th
Nurburgring Graham Hill 5th
Jarama Bob Wollek dnq
Crystal Palace Graham Hill dnq
Rouen Graham Hill 3rd
Mantorp Reine Wisell 21st
Kinnekullering Graham Hill 13th
Brands Hatch Graham Hill 2nd
Albi Graham Hill 5th
Vallelunga Graham Hill ?
Vallelunga Graham Hill dna
Interlagos Graham Hill 6th
Interlagos Graham Hill 5th
Taruma Graham Hill 6th
Cordoba Graham Hill 10th
1972-3 John MacDonald Hong Kong, Hart 416B
1973 sold to Eddie Marcello Philippines Hart 416B and then sold to
1975 Rod Ocampo and last raced in 1976, mechanic Bambi Hernandez.
1977 Romy David bought the car from Ocampo, engine failed in practice and was never raced again.
Car was later given to Louis Camus, (Information from Pocholo Ramires)
1988 Leif Norberg bought from Camus, restored 1996 Peter Denty, retains original gearbox and bodywork.
2004 Andrew Fellowes, Australia

BT36-3
1971
April 4th Hockenheim Bernd Terbeck dna
April 12th Thruxton Bernd Terbeck dna
May 4th Nurburgring Bernd Terbeck 11th
May 16th Jarama Bernd Terbeck dna
May 31st Crystal Palace Bernd Terbeck dnq
June 20th Monza Bernd Terbeck 26th
August 29th Mendig Bernd Terbeck dna
October 3rd Hockenheim Bernd Terbeck 12th
October 10th Vallelunga Bernd Terbeck dna
October 17th Vallelunga Bernd Terbeck dna
1972
April 16th Hockenheim Bernd Terbeck dns
The car was badly damaged at Hockenheim 16th April in an accident in which Bert Hawthorne was killed.
1972 August 10th A/S car for sale by Kaydon Racing at Cobham
nothing further ‘till
1984 when it appeared in European Historic racing.
1990 car entered by in Historics by Fredy Kumschick and driven by Hans Peter. B/H
2003 Willy Markwalder

BT36-4
1971
May 4th Nurburgring Rolf Stommelen 34th
May 31st Crystal Palace Rolf Stommelen dnq
August 8th Mantorp Rolf Stommelen 25th
August 29th Mendig Rolf Stommelen 1st
1972
April 16th Hockenheim Rolander Binder dnq
April 30th Nurburgring Rolander Binder 7th
June 11th Hockenheim Roland Binder 18th
October 1st Hockenheim Roland Binder dns
1973 22nd July raced at Misano by Binder
nothing further ‘till
seen in 2003 with Sid Hoole and then
2005 with Joseph Meyer

BT36-5 F.I.R.S.T.
1971
May 4th Nurburgring Peter Westbury 4th
May 31st Crystal Palace Peter Westbury 14th
June 20th Monza Peter Westbury 3rd
June 27th Rouen Peter Westbury 18th
July 11th Mondello Peter Westbury 2nd
August 8th Mantorp Peter Westbury dna
August 22nd Kinnekullering Peter Westbury 11th
August 30th Brands Hatch Peter Westbury 4th
September 12th Tullen-Langlebarn Peter Westbury 8th
September 26th Albi Peter Westbury 8th
October 3rd Hockenheim Peter Westbury 8th
October 10th Vallelunga Peter Westbury 15th
October 17th Vallelunga Peter Westbury dna
October 31st Interlagos Peter Westbury 25th
November 7th Interlagos Peter Westbury dns
November 14th Taruma Peter Westbury 5th
November 21st Cordoba Peter Westbury 4th
1972
March 12th Mallory Peter Westbury 12th
March 31st Oulton Peter Westbury dna
April 3rd Thruxton Peter Westbury 11th
April 30th Nurburgring Peter Westbury 17th
1972 A/S 2nd Nov p.53 Nick Koob and used in Hill Climbs
1974 A/S 5th Sept Chris Choat & retained in 1975?
Nothing further ‘till
1990 Paris ?
1992 John Harper
1993 John Beasley
1999 Abba Kogan
note: I have Westbury’s mechanics listed as Jim Charman & Willy Le Bougeois ???

BT36-6 Automovil Club Argentina
1971
July 25th Imola Carlos Reutemann 21st
August 8th Mantorp Carlos Reutemann 3rd
August 22nd Kinnekullering Carlos Reutemann 2nd
August 30th Brands Hatch Carlos Reutemann 3rd
September 12th Tullen-Langlebarn Carlos Reutemann 19th
September 26th Albi Carlos Reutemann 2nd
October 3rd Hockenheim Carlos Reutemann 1st
October 10th Vallelunga Carlos Reutemann 3rd
October 17th Vallelunga Carlos Reutemann 10th
October 31st Interlagos Carlos Reutemann 4th
November 7th Interlagos Carlos Reutemann 2nd
November 14th Taruma Carlos Reutemann 1st
November 21st Cordoba Carlos Reutemann 2nd
April 20th 1972 A/S reports sent to Argentina as a race school car.
Now in the Fangio Museum
Note: Report with Yves Bolle, France, 1990 who claimed the car was ex Ruesch.

BT36-7 Automovil Club Argentina
1971
August 8th Mantorp Carlos Ruesch 16th
August 22nd Kinnekullering Carlos Ruesch 19th
August 30th Brands Hatch Carlos Ruesch dnq
September 12th Tullen-Langlebarn Carlos Ruesch 12th
September 26th Albi Carlos Ruesch 20th
October 3rd Hockenheim Carlos Ruesch 11th
October 10th Vallelunga Carlos Ruesch 9th
October 17th Vallelunga Carlos Ruesch 4th
October 31st Interlagos Carlos Ruesch 17th
November 7th Interlagos Carlos Ruesch 6th
November 14th Taruma Carlos Ruesch 11th
November 21st Cordoba Carlos Ruesch 3rd
April 20th 1972 A/S reports sent to Argentina as a race school car.
Race photographs have been posted on TNF from the early to mid 70’s that include a BT36 in ACA colours in Argentina but nothing else known. Assumed still in Argentina.

BT36-8
1971
July 11th Mondello Park .
1973 A/S Aug.2nd Bob Leckie. Nov15th for sale & Jan 3rd & 24th 1974
1974 Phil Barak.
Phil confirms that he subsequently exchanged 36-8 for a Vauxhall with Bob Howlings.
Nothing further known.
Note. Unconfirmed report used in 1972 by John Watson.

BT36-9 Rondel Racing
1971
June 27th Rouen Bob Wollek dns
August 8th Mantorp Bob Wollek 8th
August 22nd Kinnekullering Bob Wollek 11th
August 30th Brands Hatch Bob Wollek 10th
September 12th Tullen-Langlebarn Bob Wollek 6th
September 26th Albi Bob Wollek dnq
October 31st Interlagos Bob Wollek 7th
November 7th Interlagos Bob Wollek 11th
November 14th Taruma Bob Wollek 13th
November 21st Cordoba Bob Wollek 8th
1972
March 12th Mallory Richard Scott 7th
1972 purchased by John Kendall & leased to Richard Scott. (John then ordered a F5000 Leda but never took delivery hiring a Kitchner instead that frequently shed its wheels.)
John Kendall confirms (2004) 36-9 sold to Jose Araujo (or Arauyo) to be used in F Atlantic.
Nothing further known.

Note. Autosport addvert 13th July 1972 F Atlantic BT36 for sale, High Wycombe 881409. Possibly same car.

BT36-10
1972
March 12th Mallory John Wingfield 12th
March 31st Oulton John Wingfield 5th
April 3rd Thruxton John Wingfield dns
April 16th Hockenheim John Wingfield 6th
April 30th Nurburgring John Wingfield 14th
May 7th Pau John Wingfield dnq
June 11th Hockenheim John Wingfield dna
September 16th Oulton John Wingfield dnf
September 24th Albi John Wingfield 8th
October 1st Hockenheim John Wingfield dnf
1973 Feb 15th A/S for sale Ascot 20040
1975 Nick Overall F Libre BDG
1976 Mike Gue sold to Ian Henderson who still owns 2006

BT36-11
July 25th Imola Silvio Moser dns
August 30th Brands Hatch
September 12th Tullen-Langlebarn Silvio Moser dna
September 26th Albi Silvio Moser dnq
October 3rd Hockenheim Silvio Moser 4th
October 10th Vallelunga Silvio Moser 14th
October 17th Vallelunga Silvio Moser 6th
Nothing known ‘till reported with Alain Filhol in France 1992 then to Emanual Ronchi, Italy. Failed to seel at Brooks auction 2000.
2003 purchased by Andy Newall sold to James Murray.

BT36-12
1972
May 3rd Fujii Noritake Takahara d.n.f (pole position)
1973
Jan 6th Pukekohe 7th
Jan 13th Levin 7th
Jan 20th Lady Wigram 10th
Jan 28th Teretonga 5th
Feb 4th Surfers Paradise 8th
August 12th Suzuka 1st
Sept 9th Suzuka 1st
Nov 11th Suzuka 2nd
Nothing more ‘till
2004 Still in Japan with BDG

Missing 2006
BT36-7 believed Argentina
BT36-8
BT36-9 possibly Argentina

Misc.
1973 24th May, BT36 2ltr for sale Alan Smith
1973 Possibly 2 BT36’s in Japan
1973 Ian Mclaren, #8 for sale 2th Sept, 4th October. 8th Nov. for sale MRE
(BT30-?)
1974 For Sale BT36 rolling chassis 0224 24170
1974 Ted Payne, Cadwell Park BT36
1975 BT36 for sale Newcastle (BT36-8?)
1975 BT36 ex Rondel for sale, Cheshire Sports Cars
1995-9 Thierry de Mortier BT36-20, now with Christian Geoffroy

I have spoken to Tait of Leeds re 36-1, who don’t know, don’t want to know and certainly don’t care.
As far as BT36-9 goes;
Ruben Daray, presenter of Argentina Canal 7 ‘a Todo Motor’ suggests Jose Araujo lives near the Fangio Museum. So far nothing more. John Kendal would very much like to know where 36-9 is, –wouldn’t we all!

Andrew,

I don't think we can consider the Bob Jane BT30-27 , BT30/36 if you like the prototype , more correctly a very late delivery BT30 built to BT36 specifications. Autosport in it's Tasman report even called it a BT30/36 when driven by John Harvey for Bob Jane team.
Bryan.

I have the BT36X-01 chassis fitted with a Judd tuned 5 litre Repco V8 running in the British Sprint Championship in 1977.

07/05/77 Dave Bishop driving and finished ninth in the run-off.

:)

Point taken re #30-27 because I know that the rear discs, drive shafts etc. came over as a seperate 'up date package'. What would be interesting to know is if the suspension pick up points are BT30 or 36.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/swphotographic/images/6-picture2.gif

Tony Brown in the Brabham BT36X with Repco V8 power.

:photo:

The two Argentinian BT36s raced against the MAF1 regulars in March 1974. Results and pictures here (http://foro-gratis.latin-foros.com/show-12522-autohistoria.html%2312522).

Having just acquired the Japanese F2 results 1972-1980, I can add a little on BT36 movements out there.

Noritake Takahara's BT36 appears at the 1972 Japanese GP, as has already been mentioned. Also at that was Hiroshi Fushida's Colt-powered car, described in some places as a BT36 but described by RCN as a BT30. This could be BT30/23.

In 1973, the Japanese Formula 2000 series starts and there are two "BT36" Brabhams racing: Takahara in BT36/12 with a 2-litre Hart BDA and Kuniomi Nagamatsu in a BT36 with a 2-litre Mitsubishi R39B engine. This can't be the ex-Fushida BT30 as that also appears for Bellco teammate Osamu Masuko at one race. Nagamatsu and Masuko had been Mitsubishi works drivers until Mitsubishi's withdrawal at the end of 1971.

In 1974, two BT36s appears, both with BDAs: Yoshimasa Kawaguchi in one and Tomohiko Tsutsumi in the other.

In 1975, Shigeki Asaoka has one of the BT36-BDAs for "ISCC Team J.K" and Kenzou Muromachi has the other with a BDG but does not appear. At one race, Jun'ichirou Kasuya appears in a Brabham BT30 with a Isuzu PR91W engine. At the final race of the season, Fumiyasu Sato is entered in a BT36-BDA but does not arrive.

In 1976 and 1977, Muromachi makes the odd appearance in his BDG-powered BT36 but is mainly seen on entry lists. Kiyoshi Misaki appears to have the other one but also rarely races. Yasumasa Kubodera also enters a BT36-BMW once in 1976.

So it looks like there were just two BT36s out there (plus a BT30) but I wonder if the second one could have been part of the Mitsubishi works program in 1971. Mitsubishi raced cars of their own manufacture but it was not uncommon for Japanese firms to buy English production cars to study. Could this be what happened to BT36/2?

Allen

I know that the Colt was a Brabham copy,Brabhams also made a Batch of BT8 Kits that were sent out there for a series for Mitsubishi.

Ted didn't Mitsubishi also buy a BT30 for their Colt programme?

Allen two things, Bellco Racing still exists but no reply to my email sent 23/11/03 and I have Fushida in 1972 in a car called a ‘Flying Onward’ that’s BT30, but I guess you have that too.


I can account for nearly all the BT36’s in ’73 save just two.
I have spoken to John McDonald and he sold BT36-2 straight to Eddie Marcello so that one is out.

So it’s not 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 or 11.

That leaves 3, 4 or 9

BT36-3 I have to August 10th ’72 for sale Kaydon Racing Cobham 4633
BT36-4 Roland Binder, Misano, 22/7/73
BT36-9 John Kendall, B-H, 29/6/72 rtd.

4 is out for ’73 so that just leaves 3 or 9 as a possibility.

BT36-3 is back now in Germany, can anyone add to where it went to?

That leaves BT36-9.
The next owner was Jose Araujo who intended to use it in F Atlantic.
I can find no results for Jose but I don’t have any programmes or M/N for ’72 or 73.

Nice photo here in April ‘72
http://www.f3history.co.uk/Racingpics/bh_1000km_72/1000km_72supp.htm

Allen do you have Jose in any Atlantic races in ‘72 or ‘73?

I have nothing on 3 between 1973 and 1983, or on 9 after 1974
4 reputedly went to Switzerland after Binder and until 1992

David where do you have #9 in 1974?

I haven't looked at this Japanese site for 3 years. There are BT36's every year to '77.

http://fndc.hp.infoseek.co.jp/1973JF2E.htm

Ok one is BT36-12, but......?

Andrew I have 9 in 73 richard Scott at F2 Mallory Pk painted black. Hans Peter from Switzerland was racing 3 in Euro F2 in 88.

David where do you have #9 in 1974?
With the aforementioned Jose Araujo
I have "FAt" alongside his name 1973, suggesting that he at least entered Atlantic races that year, but nothing apart from his name for 1974

BT36-8 , Current unknown .

New to Ireland for Archie Phillips 1971 and 1972.
1973 to Eddie Regan , Autosport 1-2-1973 p.6.
retained untill Bob Leckie reported as having just acquired the ex. Eddie Regan BT36 Autosport 31-5-1973 p.31.
A car for sale by Leckie but called a BT35 Autosport 29-8-1974 , p60.
In the meantime BT36-8 poss. to Phil Barak 14-3-1974 , and this car retained , and for sale 31-10-1974 p.55.
No further def. details , but many advert. could be this car. Seems to have gone to ground.Sorry to start unpicking histories but I do have some concerns with this car. I can see a Brabham going from Phillips to Regan to Leckie and probably then to Barak and I can see Philips racing a "BT36" as early as Sep 1971 but how do we know this is BT36-8? Any chance this is an upgraded BT30 - of which there would have been several by Sep 1971 - or a BT35 with a FVA? What's the earliest note anyone has of this car in 1971? And have we definitely made the connection between Leckie and Barak?

Allen

PS I did see a report of Watson racing this at Kirkistown late 1972 and winning comfortably. There's a good picture of it in the report.

Just to let you know Allen, that Bryan's away at the GP in Melbourne, back after the weekend.

As to Phil Barak, I spoke to him 18 months ago, he confirmed that he had owned a BT36 but he hadn't a clue what the chassis number was.


David thank you re: Jose, so, it makes #9 more unlikely as a 2nd Japanese car. I do question if it was indeed 2 BT36's there or have we another 30 to 36 spec?

Andrew

Did Phil confirm to you that he bought the car from Leckie?

Allen

No, and what I said to him was "Do you remember the BT36 you had?" and the reply was "yes" which I have assumed (oh dear) was confirmation that it was not a 30 to 36 spec.
I better look for his phone number again!

Another data base, the Bridgstone Japanese one, also agrees that Bellco had a BT30 and and a BT36, both cars and Takahara Noritake's BT36 are all out at Fuji 3/5/73.
But it does not happen again.

Arajuo entered Atlantic races in his BT36 from mid 1973 but only showed up a few times. Does not seem to appear in 1974. [Have checked almost all 1973 programmes] Would suggest the car goes back into play sometime in 74.

Chris

Andrew - all the Japanese results databases, mine included, are derived from the JAF website so there's no surprise they all agree. If JAF transcribed a 0 for a 6 or a 5 for a 6, then we're all wrong together. I've added information from RCN (via Bryan or Milan IIRC) to mine for 1972 but I think everyone takes their 1973 data from the JAF site.

Chris thank you so much, because that means that 36-9 did not go to Japan -at least for 1973 anyway and I imagine it's unlikely it would have gone later.

Allen so one typo by JAF and we are all in the poo!

Andrew

It would have to be more than one typo. The second BT36 appears consistently for several seasons. The appearance of three Brabhams at Fuji May 1973 is the key point. One of those BT36s could have been an upgraded BT30 but we don't have enough missing BT30s either. I don't yet know enough to speculate whether the Japanese changed the descriptions of their cars after an update the way Croft libre racers did but it's possible.

Given this extra BT36, I think we need to re-examine all the BT36 histories to see if one of the identifications is fragile. Tom my initial read through, Archie Philips car seemed the weakest which is why I asked about it. Was its chassis number mentioned in a race report? How did we work out its number?

Allen

Allen

Phillips chassis number given MN 8.7.71 p.5

Chris

Thanks Chris. In that case, I can't understand that second BT36 in Japan.

Anyone know if there's an active historic racing scene in Japan? Have any of these cars resurfaced?

Allen

I haven't taken the time to go back through this entire thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating what we already know...
The only BT36 in European historic racing whose origins I know nothing about is a car used in recent years by Christian Geoffroy and before that by Thierry de Mortier. I think it's BT36-20, which perhaps tells us all we need to know!
Takahara's #12 was owned by Mike Freeman in the UK for many years but is now back in Japanese ownership
The Mitsubishi company reportedly owned a BT36 in 2003

so forgive me if I'm repeating what we already know...
I post with trepidation these days just waiting for some one to tell me ‘Hey old boy that’s the third time’ Fingers crossed.

I think you can put a question mark against Mike Freeman, I did ring him and he said no, he hasn’t owned a BT36. I can’t confirm that as I have only 1 of my note books with me this morning but I am as close to being positive as there is.

I have one more,

BT36-3 as we know was advertised by Kaydon Racing, 10/8/72 and a month later there is an ad for a BT36 described in an almost identical fashion that would suggest that it is the same car.
A/S Sept.14th p.58 BT36, Continental driver, very little use etc., MRE.



p.s. I now have an address for Noritake Takahara

I now have an address for Noritake Takahara
I hope is English is better than it was when he did the Tasman (I don't think he could even say "hello")

I hope is English is better than it was when he did the Tasman (I don't think he could even say "hello")
Just 22 years old at the time I think, what a lucky lad to be able to do something like that. I trust his driving was better than his English?

I trust his driving was better than his English?
Frankly, no-one took much notice. It was an F5000 series, and no F2 car was going to make much impression.
However, a check of practice times shows he did not disgrace himself against the other F2 cars in the series:

Pukekohe
Dave McConnell (Surtees TS15) 1m 11.4
Ken Smith (March 722) 1m 12.1
Kelvin Cameron (Brabham BT23C) 1m 16.8
Takahara 1m 18.2
Levin
McConnell 45.0
Smith 45.1
Takahara 46.6
Cameron 47.2
Baron Robertson (March 722) 47.4
Wigram
McConnell DNA
Smith DNA
Takahara 1m 14.1
Robertson 1m 15.2
Doug Heney (McLaren M4A) 1m 18.0
Teretonga
Takahara was the only F2 entrant to practise
Surfers Paradise
Graeme Lawrence (Surtees TS15) 1m 12.1
Takahara 1m 15.1

after which he returned to Japan

So is this a Brabham BT30 or a BT36?

http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/copyrighted/somesortofbrabham-400x.jpg (http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/copyrighted/somesortofbrabham.jpg)

I'm tempted to say "No", but I don't think that's the answer you're looking for

Interesting start to the morning in Oz with that photo!! David sadly I would have to agree.
This is a bit long but says it all. (BT30 style rear wing, -suspension umm who knows!)


The "Colt F2000" that was entered in the 1971 Japanese GP was the last original Mitsubishi formula machine, and it was also the final product of a period of race activities that stretched back to the beginning of the 1960's. The Colt F2000 was based on F2D chassis, and employed the side radiators used in the previous model, but included refinements in aerodynamics. The engine was still based on the R39B, but was now bored-out to a capacity of 2000 cc. This four valve DOHC, in-line, water-cooled unit was the first 2 litre engine that Mitsubishi had ever manufactured and it produced 280 horsepower, which enabled the F2000 to record a top speed of 290 km/h.
The 1971 Japan GP was the first time that the GP title had been held for formula cars and, in addition, the regular meeting date in October was changed to May, swapping with the JAF Grand Prix. It was this year that the Japan GP became the biggest race of the season, in reality as well as in name, when a record race crowd of 75,000 spectators attended the event. So it was an unbelievably proud day for Mitsubishi and Japan when the Colt F2000's entrusted to Kuniomi Nagamatsu and Osamu Masuko left all their rivals, including the touring teams from overseas, in their wake as they scored a 1-2 victory before the passionately excited record crowd. This was Mitsubishi's first ever GP title.

In which case it shouldn't be on this thread! So is it actually a 'Mitsubishi Colt F2000', Andrew? l'll make it a new thread, probably in the main forum, at this stage!

Yes it is, but I have a note somewhere that Mitsibishi bought a BT30, hence the hope that perhaps it was a Brabham. I assume it was a space frame chassis but oil & water very different. The year makes it almost impossible for a BT36 replica but it could have a lot of BT30 in it.

The roll-over bar is too square at the top , and short of cutting the whole roll bar out and doing another at about the same height , for no apparent reason makes me believe it is not Brabham based.

John

Please don't move it. I've put it here deliberately as part of the discussion of the "extra" Japanese BT36. It has been suggested that the Colt was Brabham-based so could itself have been the basis of the later "BT36".

Allen

Brabham did supply Mitsubishi with kits of parts(no chassis Nos) so please keep these together as its part of the story.

I'll leave it here for now, and await developments, with interest!

As to Phil Barak, I spoke to him 18 months ago, he confirmed that he had owned a BT36 but he hadn't a clue what the chassis number was.
& now I can't find him, 2 years ago he ran his Elan from his business at Silverstone but I can't find that either! Sorry Allen I was going to see if he could remember who he bought his car from so we could verify that it was 36-8.

The 2nd BT36 in Japan is so very odd, I can't see that it can be a mistake, typo or otherwise.

The 2nd BT36 in Japan is so very odd, I can't see that it can be a mistake, typo or otherwise.I agree. I can see three possibilities: that it was a set of unnumbered parts acquired by Colt as part of their F2 program and later sold on as a complete car, that it was an updated BT30 or that we have been overzealous in filling gaps in our BT36 histories and got a BT35 or a BT30 in there by mistake.

Finding sources in Japan would help a lot. Our good friend driftwood seems to have Japanese contacts; I wonder if he can help.

Allen

Out of the blue I found this;

http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foro1201qi.jpg
Agosto de 1975 - Ricardo Zunino arriba del Brabham BT36 ex Carlos Reutemann.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7012/hill9yp.jpg
BT36-2 ex Graham Hill, 2005

footnote to above photo. Colour scheme of the Rondel Brabhams was by Barry Foley of Catchpole fame.

BT36-5 F.I.R.S.T.
Peter Westbury etc.,
1974 A/S 5th Sept. p32 Chris Choat & retained in 1975?
1975 M/N April 19th Chris Choat, Aintree, Race 4, 2nd place, Brabham Racing Services BT36
Nothing further ‘till
1990 Paris ?
1992 John Harper
1993 John Beasley
1999 Abba Kogan

Silverstone, 20 May 2006, and James Murray, looking suspiciously at this photographer who failed to introduce himself (I have apologised!):-
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6958/silverstonehscc40th20may200601.th.jpg (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silverstonehscc40th20may200601.jpg)

The following day-Luffield 2! An inadequate zoom and adverse weather conditions combine to create a hazy image!:-
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8458/silverstonehscc40th21may200607.th.jpg (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silverstonehscc40th21may200607.jpg)

Thanks for the photos! Not being sucpicious, just about to fall asleep! Had 2 hours sleep the night before having had to change a clutch.

BT36-10
1972
March 12th Mallory John Wingfield 12th
March 31st Oulton John Wingfield 5th
April 3rd Thruxton John Wingfield dns
April 16th Hockenheim John Wingfield 6th
April 30th Nurburgring John Wingfield 14th
May 7th Pau John Wingfield dnq
June 11th Hockenheim John Wingfield dna
September 16th Oulton John Wingfield dnf
September 24th Albi John Wingfield 8th
October 1st Hockenheim John Wingfield dnf
1973 Feb 15th A/S for sale Ascot 20040
1975 Nick Overall F Libre BDG
1976 Mike Gue sold to Ian Henderson who still owns 2006

Misc.
1973 Ian Mclaren, #8 for sale 2th Sept, 4th October. 8th Nov. for sale MRE
(BT30-?)
I thought David had cleared this one up once before but in case I imagined it:

Autosport 21 Jun 1973 p33 (Doune) - and also in the reports of two Ingliston libres earlier in the season - say McLaren has the ex-Wingfield BT36. Unfortunately, I can't see what engine he had in the car.

Allen

Unfortunately, I can't see what engine he had in the car.

Allen

1973 A/S Sept 27th p.5 Ian Mclaren, 3,500, FVC

I question my notebook entry of p.5, but my computer lives at work and my Autosports at home.

Wingfield seems to have sold it as a roller,
1973 A/S Feb 8th p.55 1,950 John Wingfield, Ascot 20040
(one day I'll find a pound sign, guess it hiding somewhere on this machine)

McLaren had a 1.8 FVC in the BT35X so it makes sense if he transferred it across.

Allen

Autosport 21 Jun 1973 p33 (Doune) - and also in the reports of two Ingliston libres earlier in the season - say McLaren has the ex-Wingfield BT36.

Hi,
McLaren did own BT36-#10 for 1973 season, then the car seems to go to John Hardesty for UK F/Libre in 74, and Nick Overall for F/Libre UK in 75. Nick Overall advertises BT36-10 in July 75 as the ex John Hardesty car.
I bought the car (from Overall) in Dec 1976.
The last add placed by Iain McClaren in late 73 states that he had an Alan Smith 1.8L FVC in BT36-10.
Regards
Ian

That leaves BT36-9.
The next owner was Jose Araujo who intended to use it in F Atlantic.
I can find no results for Jose but I don’t have any programmes or M/N for ’72 or 73.

Allen do you have Jose in any Atlantic races in ‘72 or ‘73?Better late than never - I just spotted him in the YP round supporting the GP (Silverstone 14 Jul 1973) starting 25th out of 29 with an actual practice time so he must have been there.

Allen, very pleased to hear that and if it was typical of his performance then it explains why we don't hear much about him! That the car slips quietly off the radar screen I hope means that at least it didn't get destroyed.

Arajuo entered Atlantic races in his BT36 from mid 1973 but only showed up a few times. Does not seem to appear in 1974. [Have checked almost all 1973 programmes] Would suggest the car goes back into play sometime in 74.
Chris

I don't know quite what I am doing wrong but my latest Argentine contact has vanished on me, that's the third one. argh! Maybe I shouldn't have voted for Margaret Thatcher -its the karma coming to get me.

Better late than never - I just spotted him in the YP round supporting the GP (Silverstone 14 Jul 1973) starting 25th out of 29 with an actual practice time so he must have been there.

Allen, I had him as 24th fastest and he did take part in the race but not sure if he finished or not!

;)

footnote to above photo. Colour scheme of the Rondel Brabhams was by Barry Foley of Catchpole fame.

BT36-5 F.I.R.S.T.
Peter Westbury etc.,
1974 A/S 5th Sept. p32 Chris Choat & retained in 1975?
1975 M/N April 19th Chris Choat, Aintree, Race 4, 2nd place, Brabham Racing Services BT36
Nothing further ‘till
1990 Paris ?
1992 John Harper
1993 John Beasley
1999 Abba Kogan

Over on the BT30 thread (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1627696#post1627696), we've established John Hardesty shared Chris Choat's BT36-5 in 1974 (and presumably 1975 but I haven't got that far yet).

Allen

Interesting new information on BT36-#5 and John Hardetsy.
I have an A/S add refernce (August 75) for the ex. J.Hardesty BT36 with an East Horsley number. I believe that this was advertised by Nick Overall. I am contacting Nick Overall to try and confirm which BT36 chassis# this add related too.

Is it possible there were two BT36's entered in 1974/75 UK F/Libre series?
BT36-5 and BT36-10.

Ian

Did we ever solve this one from Bryan? I have done a search but couldn't find the answer if we did.

Ted Payne BT36 at Cadwell Park August 1974, and Croft March 1975.
I also have a Motoring News report of Payne with a Vegantune BT36 in August of that year.I just spotted this while trying to find the last summary. Payne drove a BT38 in 1974; six times from July to November as far as I was able to see. It was called a BT38C at one race so may have been an ex-F3 car but it was also called a BT35 once. I think we can cross it off the list of BT36 mysteries and add it to the BT38 list instead.

Allen

Are there any reports of either John Hardesty or Nick Overall in BT36's for any of the UK F/Libre events in 75? I don't have any relevant magazines for that period.

Ian

Ted Payne's car was indeed a BT38C the ex Kim Mather chassis 19 entered by DR Taylor earlier in 1974 [before July...]

Chris

I think it's time to (try to) clear up the muddle of BT36-5 and BT36-10. Ian's car can be traced back to Overall and from him to Choat and Hardesty and as it has a very convincing BT36/10 chassis plate, I think the evidence that Choat and Hardesty drove BT36/10 is compelling.

We originally thought the Choat/Hardesty car was BT36/5 because it was said to be ex-Westbury. This attribution could be explained by the close relationship with Felday and the use of Felday engines. However, compared with Ian's evidence, I don't believe this is a strong enough reason to believe it was BT36/5.

So I think the histories should be:

BT36-5
1971 F.I.R.S.T. for Peter Westbury, F2
1972 Peter Westbury, F2
1972 A/S 2nd Nov p.53 Nick "Koob" and used in Hill Climbs
Nothing further ‘till
1990 Paris ?
1992 John Harper
1993 John Beasley
1999 Abba Kogan

BT36-10
1971 (late) John Wingfield, libre - 1.7-litre Felday BDA
1972 John Wingfield, F2 and libre - 2-litre BDA
1973 Feb 15th A/S for sale Ascot 20040
1973 Iain McLaren, hillclimbs and libre - 1.8-litre FVC
1973 (Oct/Nov) MRE
1974 Chris Choat & John Hardesty, libre - 2-litre Racing Services BDA
1975 (to June) Chris Choat & John Hardesty, libre - 2-litre Racing Services BDA
1975 (from August) Nick Overall, libre - 2-litre Racing Services BDA
1976 Mike Gue
1976 Ian Henderson
2006 Ian Henderson retained

Any comments/arguements?

Allen

Did John Wingfield have a BT35, 36 and 40 then ?

You missed the BT21A and the BT30. He had BT30/3, BT36/10, BT21A/2 (for libre only), BT40/14 and finally BT35/43 (for libre again). He liked his Brabhams.

Update on BT36#12/BDG, the new owner is Tom Smith in California, acquired from previous owner in Japan. Now the second BT36 in US (besides BT36-10).

I think it's time to (try to) clear up the muddle of BT36-5 and BT36-10. Ian's car can be traced back to Overall and from him to Choat and Hardesty and as it has a very convincing BT36/10 chassis plate, I think the evidence that Choat and Hardesty drove BT36/10 is compelling.

We originally thought the Choat/Hardesty car was BT36/5 because it was said to be ex-Westbury. This attribution could be explained by the close relationship with Felday and the use of Felday engines. However, compared with Ian's evidence, I don't believe this is a strong enough reason to believe it was BT36/5.

So I think the histories should be:

BT36-5
1971 F.I.R.S.T. for Peter Westbury, F2
1972 Peter Westbury, F2
1972 A/S 2nd Nov p.53 Nick "Koob" and used in Hil