Lotus 35

How many of the Lotus 35's built are still in existance.

Paul Matty has one. with Lotus TC fitted
I have one, with Lotus TC
There is one fitted up as a Tasman car with FPF

Can any one add to this list ??

I suspect of the twelve originally built only twenty three remain. :rolleyes:

12? This says 22 ....

http://www.lotuscarclub.org/types.htm

:)

KDW .
This answer doesn't assist in numbers , however none ever came down to Australia or New Zealand .
Doug Nye's The Story of Lotus lists 22 off as F2,F3 FB cars.
Ron Harris ran 2 for Brian Hart and Peter Revson , ch. no's. 32-F2-3 and 32-F2-4 , and as I look while typing at F1 Register Vol. 8 1965-69 , by the end of 1965 in F2 races chassis numbers , 1,2 ,3,4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 17, and 18 had all been out and about. So that takes up 13 of your 22 cars in 1965,and as we up to ch.no. 18 it looks like 22 is reasonably correct , but this may well not mean 22 seperate cars or entities as some numbers may have been allocated to replace write offs.
Hope this assists.
Bryan.

John Dimmer has one in the US. It is 35/F/18 (or 35-F-18 I really don't know how it should be written).

Allen

KDW.
Excuse my typo , those numbers should have read 35-F-3 and-4 ,which is really interesting as it is the 1st time I had noticed that Lotus did not designate formula type in the number.
I.E. the Lotus 32-F2- whatever , or as in say Lotus 20-J-965 where the J indicated FJ.
If they had followed as previously you would have expected to see , say 35-F2-?? or even 35-FB- ??.
Lotus 35-F-18 is in F1R as being Brian Hart's car in F2 races in 1965 with a Cosworth S.C.A.
All the Lotus ch.plates and for that matter Brabhams seem to have been with a - between characters and/or numbers.
Bryan.

35-F-19 makes an appearance in 1967 driven by Piers Courage for Charlie Lucas, so we're nearly at 22.

The only 35 in my records with a prolonged traceable history is 35-F-8 which was a Parnell car for Hobbs, then went via John Coombs to Luke Duffy in Ireland [raced by Gerry Kinnane] and ends up with Ted Shanahan in 1971

Chris

Chris, anybody , if my memory is correct , did I not see a ref. many years ago to a Lotus 35 fitted with a Martin V8 ?

Bryan

Indeed, it was this car [35-F-19] that had the Martin engine. Courage did a 1.36.2 at Brands for the Race of Champions, which was a respectable time out of the box, and then did the engine, so didn't start. The car did not appear again.

I don't know enough about the Pearce Martin set up. Lucas appears to have been running a separate operation, as a customer for the engine. After the Pearce transporter was burned out in the paddock at the International Trophy did the team fold, so Lucas wasn't able to buy a new engine? If so, given that Luke wasn't exactly poor, what happened? Why didn't he order BRM V12s [like McLaren did]. Obviously the DFV wasn't available to him. Or was it that he was only interested in running his friend Courage, and Courage went off first to Parnell and then to Frank Williams.

Bryan & Chris
I have borrowed a number of Lotus 35 photos from Ted Walkers Ferret Fhotographics.
These are annotated with chassis no driver and event/date.
I will write a list and post it. Thanks for all your help.
Further to the Martin V8 there was one L35 in USA that was fitted with a Ford 289 for F5000.

Kevin Whittle

The chassis numbers that I have are :

35-F3 J Clark in F2 race Snetterton in 1965 with 6 spoke wheels
F4 M Spence Brands Aug 1965 6 spokes
F6 Boley Pittard Brands Aug 65
F8 G Hill Brands 8/65 W Webs ALSO Revson Snetterton F2 race 4/65 6 spoke
F14 B Collomb C Palace F2race 6/65
F17 Ray Parsons Brands 8/65 W Webs
F20 My car W Webs

Other sightings are
Tony Birchenough at Brands 8/68 6 spokes, & C Combe 9/8/1969 fitted with wide wheels.
Brian Hart with a 35 fitted with a normal nose 4/1965, and also with Costin nose at Snetterton 4/1966 6 spokes.
C Beckwith C Palace 6/1970

What can you guys add to this ??

Kevin.
All from F1R. vol.8

Ron Harris Team Lotus 35-F-2 Peter Revson.
''''''''''''''''''''' 35-F-3 Jim Clark
''''''''''''''''''''' 35-F-4 Michael Spence
John Willment Automobiles 35-F-6 Boley Pittard
''''''''''''''''''''''''' 35-F-7 Frank Gardner
John Coobes 35-F-8 Graham Hill
Oster A S Clun 35-F-9 Alban Schreiber at Soltitude
Jacques Maglia 35-F-11 Jacques Maglia
[Peter] Sellers Racing 35-F-12 Barry

[Peter] Sellers Racing 35-F-12 Barry Hart ???
F B Collomb 35-F-14 Bernard Collomb
John Willment Automobiles 35-F-17 Ray Parsons
B.R.Hart 35-F-18 Brian Hart.
Please note some of the cars had other pilots at various times.
Bryan.

Sorry about 2 posts , hit the wrong key.

Thanks Bryan
I have decided to create a document with a page per car and list what I have found out.
I'll let you have a copy
Kevin

Kevin.
1966 Lotus 35 trails.
2-4-66 Oulton Park.
Ron Harris Team Lotus still have 35-F-3 and -4 for Jim Clark and Peter Arundell
Same at Goodwood on 11-4-66
Same at Pau on 17-4-66
Same at Nurburgring 24-4-66, plus Bernard Collomb entered but did not start
Montjuic Park 24-4-66 Bernard Collomb still in 35-F-14.
At Zolder Ron Harris has 44-F-1 and 35-F-3 and 35-F-4 on 8-5-66 as well as 32-F2-1.
John Coombes enters his at Crystal Palace 30-5-66, however driver not available [G. Hill ??]
Thereafter no hint untill Brands 30-10-66 when John Cardwell enters 35-F-3.

In 1967 at Keimola 35-F-17 .
Entrant . Haj-Haj Racing Team , Drv. Ove Niklasson.

I think I am about to add these to my list of unloved racing cars, they all seem to have fallen off the face of the earth, best guess is this is the time of Brabham supremacy in customer cars, and as these were early monocques and Brabham still making tube frame cars nobody really desired them due to difficulty of repair etc. at this point in time.

Thanks Bryan,

Looking at paperwork with my car properly, I see that it was from today back :
Me
Swiss dealer C Grohe who bought from Widow of
Jean Paloumet of Nice, deceased in road accident
Baldini of Nice
then it say Nino Vacarella
Is that the great man, Ferrari driver in sports cars ie Targa Floria ???
Do you know if this is correct ?

KDW - yours wasn't by any chance restored by Peter Denty?

Kevin,
I too love the non-F1 monocoques, and deeply envy you. I have seen Paul Matty's with the TC engine at HSCC meetings, and there is another with a BRM 1000cc DOHC F2 engine which used to appear in HGPA events, I don't know who owned it. There was a 35 at the auction at Coys in 1999 (I think) in a horrible mustard-and-mushy-pea-green colour scheme with an Alfa 1500 engine in it (and a big lump hacked out of the monocoque to accomodate the oil filter) which had come from S. Africa. I have quite a few photos. Where and when will you be racing? Do you need a helper(unskilled!)?

Chris,
The Martin engine saga is another one of my interests, which I am trying get the definitive story on. The new biog of Piers Courage has some info in it, also there was an article in Motor Racing mag in early 1967 and one in Classic Cars in 1990 IIRC about Ted Martin. It seems Lucas had a spare 35 and Ted Martin was looking for a test-bed for the first 3L engine. It raced once in a F.Libre race at Mallory Park on Boxing Day 1966 where Roy Pike came third, non-started at Brands either due to a bent rocker or due to being tow-started with cold oil (it was bitter that day - I was there!) and snapping the cambelt, and then was crashed by Courage testing at Snetterton and caught fire. It was said to have been written-off, but in the Autosport of March 8th 1968 it is offered for sale for £3475, by J.A. Pearce Motors ironically.

Another Motor Racing article, in early 1968, says that Lucas wanted to concentrate on his F3 Titans, so the crash gave him the reason to abandon the F1.

The Ted Martin article in 1990 says that Pearce gave up racing after his team was burnt out, and Ted then was stuck for customers until John Woolf bought some and then Chris Lawrence of Lawrencetune fame ordered some for the Monica road car project. Lawrence seems to have taken over marketing as well, because he was advertising the engines for Supersaloons in July 1970 (235 bhp @ 7500 rpm, 230 lbs weight).

Bryan/Kevin/Chris, I'd love to see the final chassis history details. Do any of the 44's survive, they were the prettiest of all IMHO?

Paul Mackness

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24277&perpage=25&highlight=Kincraft%20Darlington&pagenumber=4

Forgot to mention, there's a photo of Roy Pike in the 35 at Mallory above.

Originally posted by KDW
Bryan & Chris
I have borrowed a number of Lotus 35 photos from Ted Walkers Ferret Fhotographics.
These are annotated with chassis no driver and event/date.
I will write a list and post it. Thanks for all your help.
Further to the Martin V8 there was one L35 in USA that was fitted with a Ford 289 for F5000.

Kevin Whittle Kevin

Ted gets his chassis numbers from the F1 Register books when he puts his labels on the pictures. The chassis numbers are not from contemporary notes so shouldn't be taken as confirmaton of F1R records.

Allen

Originally posted by KDW
...Further to the Martin V8 there was one L35 in USA that was fitted with a Ford 289 for F5000.

Kevin Whittle Kevin

That was the Dimmer car I mentioned above. Raced by Vernon Shields in 1968-70 period.

There was also a 35 in 1967 with a FPF 2.5 in Formula A which may or may not be the Shields car. Ed Marshall ran this at Continental Divide 14 May 1967.

Allen

Kevin/Bryan

Here's a little more, non F1R information [From contemporary journals]

1967
Harris still has two cars, run for Cardwell and Offenstadt
Ernst Maring an F3 car run in 66 by KArl von Wendt
Dieter Lanzerath an F3 run in 66 by Neerpasch
Willment still has a car, run for Juncadella in F3, but this cannot be 35-F-17 which is in Sweden run first by Kottulinsky [66] then Niklasson [67] then Kottulinsky again [68]

1968
Willie Forbes has 35-F-15
Damien Magee has 'an ex Lucas 35' ? 35-F-19?

Expat,
No mine is untouched, except for my re wire, replumb water and brakes. Paul Matty's 35 was restored by P Denty.
Kevin

Paul,
re Martin engines. There was an interesting article by Ted Martin in Autosport regarding his problems with FJ 105E engines. The next week Cosworth replied with engine component pics, to say in effect they were ahead of the game.
Kevin

Chris,
It was between a Lotus 41 and the 35 as to which car to buy!
Now I have had to remove the engine and gearbox to enable me to reach the starter motor, one can see why the F3 continental circus went for space frame cars !
I have also borrowed a load of 41 pics from Ted Walker. Lovely car, and some one needs to sort out the detail.

I must express an interest here. As part of my enthusisam I publish a bi monthly mag, "Lotus Single Seaters", which I hope will go someway to offsetting the cost of my racing !

Kevin

Lotus 35
In 1969 the ex Peter Sellers Racing 35 is being raced in F3 by Tony Birchenough.

Chris,
I have photos of Birchenough driving his car, so thats one more car / chassis no identified.
Kevin

Here's the ex-Peter Sellers car at Croft in May 66 when raced by Bill Robson. It still has Peter Sellers Racing painted on the side, but has an interesting home made nose.

Re the Mo Nunn car [F3-8]. Autosport race report for the Lombank Tr race at Mallory in March '68, says it's still his 1966 car, so it may well be that the Jennings ad was the original owner trying to sell it. after Nunn had used it for a season or so.

Re 35's: a Paul Tucomb enters the 'ex Collomb' car for the Coupe de Vitesse at Albi in '68

Do we know how long Bill Robson had the ex-Sellers Racing car?

Chris

Re 35's
Brian Hart drove a 35 fitted with a non standard nose, it looked like the Protos, so I assume it was a low drag Costin nose.

Thanks guys,
I am building up some history for the 35's but there seem to be several cars that have never been noted.
I have a pic of T Birchenough in Aug 68 at Brands

I am also interested if any more cars survive now. We still seem to only know my car + Paul Matty+ John Dimmer. Thats just 3. There must be more than that.

Kevin et al .

Lotus 35 , in 1966 in Argentina in Jan. 3 cars appear as F3s , Jochen Neerpasch , Karl von Wendt and Walter Fluckiger.
Vallelunga 9-6-66, we have Scuderia Jolly Club for Salvatore Genovese.
Silverstone 18-6-66 as well as the already mentioned W.A Robson entry for Andy Wilkinson , we have C.Priddey in a 35.
At Rheims on 3-7-66 Neerpasch for von Wendt and Roland Binder for himself.
Apart from the above ,the 3 main users of 35s in1966 are Peter Sellers Racing for Brian Hart and Barrie Hart , and the BMW powered car of Freddy Kottulinsky.
All the above in F3 , which begs the question is Brian Hart running his last years F2 car converted to F3 specs,or is this a different car and Hart's car has gone elsewhere.

Bryan,
There were two Lotus 35's sold to Lotus Switzerland dealer in 1965.
One is thought to be Karl Foitek who entered his in 1600cc form, TC?, at Hockenheim in Spring 65 for Swiss Champ Races there.
The second car was Walter Fluckiger who entered his F3 Lotus 35 in St-Ursanne les Rangier on 22/8/65.

Both my car and Paul Matty's came from Switzerland.
Now we both have TC's.
My Hewland is marked
LC 165 Mk6 8/65
H6296 725.

so was mine the F3 Lotus 35 ??
I think you are involved with Hewland, I have tried to ask them which car/when the 'box was sold, but no response to date.
Kevin

To confuse matters more, Peter Sellers Racing seem to have had two 35s at the start of 1966, both raced by Harts!

At Snetterton, 9 April 66 Barry Hart finishes 7th in a Sellers car with Brian Hart coming home in 3rd [behind Pike and Gethin] in another Sellers entry. Same situation prevails at Barcelona, which was late April? Giving Bill Robson less than a month to buy his car and get it out and running at Croft at the end of May. And which car? Maybe Brian Hart's with the funny nose?

Chris

Kevin.
Yes ,I am the authorised Hewland distributor for OZ. and N.Z.
The LC165 mk6 8/65.
I have these sort of numbers on the Lotus 27 sales cards.

Best informed guess is that LC is Lotus Components, 165 is an internal Lotus number and 8/65 del. date
The actual gearbox number is H6-296 , meaning a MK 6 Hewland serial number 296

I don't have a clue what the 725 is for.
Generally on the VW cased boxes and others as well the Hewland plate on the back will have as in your case H6-296, and on the bearing carrier , that is the section you remove to pull out with the layshaft still losely attached is also stamped H6-296 .
Some cars I have seen have different numbers , due to accidents , when the car has been '' backed in '' and a replacement end cover with a diff. plate has been found of a discarded 'box and slipped on .
Same as sliding a diff. chassis under your orig. ch.pl.

Mk.6 is F3 gearbox , in 4 speed configuration , and all that was required for F3, given minimal torque of these engines.
But having said that , no trouble to convert to 5 speed configuration later on
With the 27 sales cards , the cars that are listed have MK6 and I think Mk.5 if you were running a 1500cc pushrod or t/c.
Given the 1000cc F2 was in use , and that allowed 5 speed and a L.S.D. the F2 cars probably had MK5s.
However we need some sales cards for the 35s to find out for sure .
Yes , Hewland have buried somewhere all the build records, the problem is somebody finding time to search them out.I had very recent experience of this , in as much as a gearbox I purchased 2 weeks ago , when they could tell me date of del. and gearsets fitted , but have'nt been able to advise at this point in time the customer.
On the face of it , it looks like your car is ex. F3 , but you don't know if it started as an F2 , and a descision was made to go F3 , and the MK5 was swapped for a MK 6 , dead simple to achieve.
Bryan.
P.S. to all . Hewland records could help solve some mysteries , I will contact Steve Clews and see what I can sort out with them.

Kevin.
Thinking about your request to Hewland , all they would ever be able to advise you , is the customer , which in your case will surely be Lotus or Lotus Components.

Bryan.

Bryan,
Just a note about the Hewland boxes in 1 Litre Formula Two. Hewland produced a Mk7 box, based on the Mk6 with a longer bearing carrier and six speeds. This box was standard wear in F2 at the time.
Roger

Roger , thank you , how stupid of me .
We just didn't ever see the Mk7 's over here,although there are a couple now.
A few months ago I was discussing these gearboxes with Peter Smith at PDS. racing and he told me that Matra did their own 6 speed version , slightly different to Hewlands version.

When I was typing little noises were happening in the brain dept. but I ignored them , and misinformation is the result.
Apologies again .
Bryan.

To all concerned parties.
Early in this thread I advised re. Lotus sales and chassis cards for the Type 27's.
Is this info. elsewhere.??
If not shall I post a new thread,or do we have enough on our plates at this point in time.
The lists may assist Kevin Whittle in solving all the 32/35/44's

over to you .
Bryan.

Kevin.
More on your gearbox,
Is the number definately 725????
I don't have a definitive knowledge of VW crown wheel and pinion options, but on the 27 sales cards they list out gearbox as say lOTUS 5 SPEED VW LC71 mk4 H 8/35.
The last number i.e. the 8/35 refers to the crown wheel and pinion fitted .
perhaps there was a 7/25 , it is just not heard of over here.
8/35 = 4.375
7/25 = 3.57

Certainly one other option that was available then and now is an 8/33=4.125
All the top FJ's use a more modern Hewland ratio which is 7/31 =4.428.
Bryan.

Bryan,
V intersting, I'll check my again. The car also came with a spare cwp. I will check that also.
Remember one of the Swiss 35's a Continental hill climb champ car.

One other point, Per Clive Chapman the chassis plate also ties up with a monocoque number. My car is stamped down at the junction of seat back and floor with 35/22.
CC said that his records indicated 35/22 was 35-F20.
Kevin
PS re the thread, keep going, this is really useful stuff !

Sorry I should have said my chassis plate is 35-F20
Kevin

Bryan
My Mk 6 is stamped 7 25
My spare CWP is only the CW which is 35 tooth.

D Ortenburgers book on Costin states that P Sellers, prompted by driver Brian Hart got F Costin in to look at the teams Lotus 35F3 car.
BH said that it lacked aerodynamics and rad cooling. FC did a new nose cone. That is the nose on the car I have a Ferret picture of.
When the car was sold on to Bill Robson, see Page 2 of this thread, the car was with a home made nose.
Did PSR decide to remove the nose as they had paid the FC fee.
Or did FC remove the nose to fit on the first Protos, as the Protos was nearing completion and apeared with a v similar nose?
Kevin

David,
did the last two Lotus 35 owners, in your posting, M Thouleson and R Lamplough keep their cars or sell them on? Where were they advertised for sale?

Sorry Kevin, can't be much help
I suspect I saw Thoulesen's in a French race that year - certainly the Lamplough car was at the Silverstone Festival, driven by someone else.

Another trail on a Lotus 35.
Autosport 21-5-70 at Mondello reports the ex. Luke Duffy Lotus 35 changing hands to Des McCoy. Page no. 31
Bryan.

Kevin.

Two more trails for your Lotus 35 quest.

Autosport 27-8-70 page 3 , has a car with Austrian driver Richard Weber.
F1R. has Wolfgang Stumpf running at Munchen-Neubiberg 25-10-1970 in Lotus 35 , 35-F- 15.

Regards Bryan.

Bryan,
thanks, we are getting there.
I was at HSCC Castle Combe yesterday. V hot.
Classic Racing Cars is where I am headed. The Lotus 35 is over 500cc and pre 12/65.
at CC there was just one competetitor in that class, so provided I finish, even, (huh, I AM going to be slow!), if I am v slow, I shall be 2nd !!!
No Lotus entered at all, seemed mostly to be Brabhams. In other classes were some lovely cars, inc several screamer 1 litre cars. They seem to be allowed to run cut Avon slicks, so while loosing out a little on top speed, their cornering power gets them good results. They looked and sounded v nice.
Kevin

Lotus 35 F2 BRM still have it last used at Coys a few years ago where I loaned it to Jurg Dubler.
There was another similar car that I saw in Coys in the early 1980's and they told me it had been sold to Japan.

Robs,
I have a photo from Ted Walkers Ferret Emporium that shows Jaques Maglia in a F2 Snetterton race, driving his Lotus 32.
Ted's photo gives 32-F2-6 as the chassis number.
The b&w pic shows a white? car with a central darker stripe down the middle. SCA engine cover and w web wheels.
So I take it that was the car you and Frank bought.
On your 35 does the monocoque number and chassis plate tie up with same number.
When I spoke to Clive Chapman recently, he said my tub no 35/22 was F20.
Kevin

Kevin

Just a reminder - Ted's chassis numbers come from published F1 Register sources. They do not mean a contemporary, independent identification.

Allen

Kevin
Tony Barchou,who used to work with Ian Raby Racing had a Ron Harris Lotus 35 for sale in Toronto ,Canada about 20 years ago.A beautiful car ,in perfect condition,complete with a BRM ( Hope my memory is correct on the engine). He was asking $4500 at the time. I don't know where it went
Re Martin V8 engines. There were a pair of heads and numerous other parts for a 2 lire V8 engine for sale here for years.Martin used to work at GM in St Catharines ,Ontario Canada for a few years.The parts are probably still around here
John

I take your point Allen, re Teds numbers, but it's all I have got to go on. I must speak to Jaques who now lives in Greece.
The Martin 2 litre V8 interests me. What formula was that aimed at? Was it 100% Martin or was it based on some production block etc? Do you know John?
If they ever invent time travel are we going to be rich !
Kevin

Kevin

The Martin V8 of 1966-1970 was based on the heads from Ted Martin's FJ Anglia engine IIRC and the first couple made were 2-litre and ended up in the back of sportscars, at least one of which was in the USA, after Ted had got the 3-litres up and running.

Graham White who used to have a shop at Goodwood and was big in Renaults in the 1970s and '80s told me that he remembered another, later, Martin V8 2-litre, a more sophisticated engine that was used in the European 2-litre
championship in the 1970s - can anyone shed any further light on this?

Paul Mackness

Paul
The Martin FJ engine development was the subject of a article by T Martin in Jan 61 Autosport. All was not going well !
Kevin

All
In the current Formula Junior Racing Assoc magazine is an obituary for John Romanes of Edinburgh. Seems this Scottish gentleman raced a Lotus 35. It was powered by a Martin engine, that was later removed to fit a 2 litre Climax and raced at Ingleston. The obit writer Andrew Fletcher also drove the same 35 on occasions at Croft and Ingleston.
At Croft the rear suspension broke and the car ended up inverted.
John was so upset at this he cut the Lotus 35 up when he got home.
So that means 1 less to survive today, we are down to 21 cars.
Kevin

No, that probably means 23 cars. Each half will have been rebuilt back into a complete car.

So is this the Lotus 35-Martin V8?

And is this the same Andrew Fletcher who drove the Fireball-Chev F5000 hill-climb car?

Allen

Don't know about the Fireball connection, but it's surely the same Andrew Fletcher who turns out in historic sportscar races from time to time. Mate of Pipes, I think.

All,
I have been told that Freddie Kottulinski who raced in F3 with a 35 sold his car to someone who used the tub and rear suspension in a silhouette Triumph Spitfire racer.
Where is that car now ?
The front hubs and uprights are owned by the man who related the story.

Kevin

Re: Fireball.......
Visited Ingliston a couple of times in the early 70s. Was it realy Andrew Fletcher? I seem to remember him as a Brabham pilot then. Was there not an Andy ROBERTS (or similar) aboard a modified '58 or '59 Cooper with V8 power which had been renamed Fireball. It may have felt like one from the driving seat but didn't really look that way.
I remember Andrew Fletcher as a much more serious contender in those days, or maybe I'm going wobbly in the head.
It should have happened years ago.....

I had a good look at the Classic Team Lotus 32B at Oulton Park recently during the Gold Cup, and was surprised to see that the car has a proper grp upholstered seat fitted. Also the gear linkage does not use a gate as per the 25 and 35. Also that the gear change rod runs within the tub. Behind the seat the monocoque is sloped but a large aperture gives access to the modern fire extinguisher. The car is in lovely condition, freshly repaired after the Monaco shunt, Clive Chapman told me they repaired and re used the tub skins.
Kevin

Originally posted by KDW
Thanks guys,
I am also interested if any more cars survive now. We still seem to only know my car + Paul Matty+ John Dimmer. Thats just 3. There must be more than that.

I know of one other 35 in the UK but not sure of chassis number - can make enquiries. Have a feeling same person also owns a 44 but could be mistaken on that one...

Michael Oliver

Hi, I have one for you, which is not listed yet. On 21/6/1970 during international race Czech republic Prix in Jicin DNF German driver Paul Fischer with Lotus 35/F/22, engine No. MAE66006.

Thanks Michal,
I am pleased to get more information. I have not heard of Paul Fischer before, and will try to get more info.
Last night I had a call from USA. Steve Laurence has a Lotus 35, and he is starting restoration. At present he does not have an engine, the car being fitted originally with a Cosworth SCA F2 motor. So now he is looking for SCA parts.

Paul
You posted a while ago about a 35 you saw at Coys in 1999.Although many single seaters here in S.Africa ran with Alfa engines,unfortunatly none of the 27/32/35/44/48 series monocques ever came here.I might be able to identify with the help of some photos.
Regards
Ian

IANHEB,

I looked in my photo album and it was 1998 not 1999 at the Coys auction, and the only photo I took is from the rear showing the engine compartment. I will try to get hold of an auction brochure to see if there is any more information about the supposed provenance, and if I can get the photo scanned I will try to post it.

When I was standing next to it I noticed that the ex-Lotus mechanic Cedric Selzer (owner of Lotus 25/R5) was standing nearby also looking at it, so I asked him what it was and he thought it was a 35.

Paul

If you're talking about the 1998 Coys Silverstone auction, the car was 35-F-14, originally Bernard Collomb's

Paul,
It is possible that somebody dug out the 35 from somewhere like Kenya or Zambia,but i would be suprised.Brochure description will be interesting.
Ian

Christophe Pund of Les Galeries des Damiers in France had a Lotus 35 for sale a couple of years ago.
It was fitted (badly) with an Alfa Romeo motor.
I will try to find out the chassis number, but suspect this one has already been mentioned in this thread already.

Pretty sure that's the car that later turned up at the Coys sale

Peter,
Did you find out more of this French 35 ??

Kevin

Lotus 35s are getting very common place...I saw one amongst the tables at a Lotus dinner recently.....

Hmmmm !
In recent weeks I have taken my car to the Club Lotus South West meeting, I went to give a talk "Lotus Single Seaters"
Then the HLR Annual Dinner.
This last weekend, 16th Nov, I took it on stand to Club Lotus Parts Fair at Stoneleigh. To promote my magazine Lotus single seaters. Right behind me was Paul Matty owner of the 'other' Swiss Lotus 35. Now in P Denty's having suspension damage repaired after a mishap on the hills.

All
In Autosport 24-8-72 John Narcisi ran an advt
"Lotus 35 10 & 12"wheels updated rollover bar, Holbay R72 1598 Clubmans engine, 165bhp, plus Hewland mk 8 4 speed gearbox, lsd. Complete car ready to race £1400.
Spare monocoque £70, set of 8 &10" wheels £55"
With an Orpington tel number.

Does anyone know who bought this, which ch No was spare tub and ch No of the car ???

Kevin,

If my notes are correct your car had a strange number stamped or the chassis plate: 62 27 F 20.
I think it also had an incorrect aluminium engine cover.

Just found in my documents one original 2-page Lotus 35 specification sheet issued by Lotus Components in Jan. 65.
Prices: from £2600 for an F3 to £4770 for a Tasman (ex-works assembled). Pick up your choice !

You are correct in the chassis plate number, the tub is also stamped 35/22. Clive Chapman identifies from his records that tub 35/22 = chassis no 20.
The alloy engine cover was with the car when I imported it from Switzerland in early 2003.
P Denty has made me a new grp TC engine cover from original moulds
Kevin

Originally posted by KDW
Peter,
Did you find out more of this French 35 ??

Kevin

Not yet, but I see his is still advertising it (or another one).

I will see him at Retromobile in a few weeks and will check then.

Peter

Thanks Peter,
It will be interesting to find out a little more of this cars history.
Kevin

Originally posted by Michal
On 21/6/1970 during international race Czech republic Prix in Jicin DNF German driver Paul Fischer with Lotus 35/F/22, engine No. MAE66006.

Another Lotus 35 started also in the same race one year before, driven by Belgian driver Andre Willem - finished 7th. Unfortunatelly, serial No. unknown...

Michal

Wonderful, So that must be my car !
Where is Jicin, is DNF a place, or did Fischer not finish ??

Did any motor magazine or enthusiast have any photos of 35 f 22 ??

Thank you for the information.

Kevin

Originally posted by KDW
Thanks Peter,
It will be interesting to find out a little more of this cars history.
Kevin

Don't know about the history (didn't get to Retromobile) but I did find these photos I took of it.

http://users.pandora.be/peter.morley/photos/lotus35-1.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/peter.morley/photos/lotus35-2.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/peter.morley/photos/lotus35-3.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/peter.morley/photos/lotus35-4.jpg

Hi Peter, thanks for posting these photos.
I need to study them closer but interesting. Is that a Alfa TC ?
My seat is different to this, more a red pvc bag with press studs to locate.
Same position for battery cut out between drivers legs.
No Chassis plate ?
The tub number is stamped into tub at junction of seat back/floor. It will be 35/??

Looks very nice, do we know who owns this car ??

Regards
Kevin Whittle

Originally posted by KDW
Hi Peter, thanks for posting these photos.
I need to study them closer but interesting. Is that a Alfa TC ?
My seat is different to this, more a red pvc bag with press studs to locate.
Same position for battery cut out between drivers legs.
No Chassis plate ?
The tub number is stamped into tub at junction of seat back/floor. It will be 35/??

Looks very nice, do we know who owns this car ??

Regards
Kevin Whittle

Christophe Pund of Gallerie de Damiers was trying to sell the 35.
I saw it a couple of years ago (when we bought the Ligier JS3, DFV powered sportscar that Willie Green has raced so sucessfully).
I don't know if Christophe still has it, I think he knew the chassis (or at least frame) number and some history.
When I next see him I will ask for more info.
It has an Alfa Romeo GTA engine in it.
Being French the condition is pretty dreadful with lots of agricultural modifications.........
But the biggest problem was that even having the fancy version of the Alfa engine didn't bring the value of the car up to what Christophe was asking for it!

I must go through this listing to see just how many of the 22 built have survived.
Its a nice car to drive and in the right hands would be pretty competitive in historic motor sport.
HSCC have now introduced a 1600cc limit for Classis Racing Car series, and they have classes for F2 and F3 1 litre cars.
Kevin

That's the car I saw at the Coys auction in 1998, which David McKinney identified as 35-F-14, ex-Bernard Collomb, earlier in this thread.


PWM

Excellent - thanks PWM

Allen NOT ALWAYS. I have been around a long time . KDW if you want to put some of my images up you can with a credit.

I am trying to trace the history of a Volpini Formula junior which came from France a few years ago from a Pierre de Siebenthal, whose son is a Porsche dealer. He also had a Lotus 35 which eventually went to Coys. His son Marc is on Email at mail@mecacomponents.com and may be able to give some history.

thanks Ted

Kevin

Just digging around for something else unrelated and found a few more Lotus 35titbits...

Ernst Maring also raced his 35 at Roskilde, colour described as white.

Also - don't know if this is of interest/relevance but one of the cars involved in the Caserta F3 race tragedy in June 1967 was described as a Lotus 32 driven by Franco Foresti. My understanding was that the 32 was a F2/Tasman car, so perhaps this was a 35?

Finally there is a nice picture of Willie Forbes driving his 2 litre Lotus 35 BMW to victory in a hillclimb at Fintray House in the June 30th 1967 edition of Autosport, p1077. The car is a light colour.

Michael

Hi Kevin

Was that you at Donington the other week? How did you get on?

Paul

Yes it was me, and racing excuses number 103 in my book is " New unscrubbed Dunlops", The ride hight was way out as they were 60mm taller at front and 22mm taller at rear. Very little size choice on 13M section CR65 in 204 compound as demanded by Classic Racing Cars series.
Car went well, 1st time at Donnington and I liked the circuit, just need more car time, plus adjustable spring seats on Armstrongs, shorter springs.
Still have signed on at the gym so am getting more serious ! At 73", 101kgs and 59 years of age I don't quite fit the Jim Clark mould.
Do I love it - you bet !
Kevin
PS: its true you do meet a nicer class of person at my end of the grid !

Kevin,

What sizes are the wheels generally found on 32s and 35s. I would suspect there is a range of widths, but maybe not?

Roger

A lot of the Lotus 35 were fitted with the 6 spoke alloys. Early cars had wobbly webs.
My car, the last tub built was, (I assume because they were on the car when bought, and it was very original in all details), was supplied with 6 and 7" W Webs.
In period as the cars grew older they were fitted with wider wheels and tyres, keeping up with the then current trends.
As to 32's I would need to check Wm Taylors book, as that is a fairly reliable source of info.
You have to remember with the 35, it could have had the 1 litre screamer from Cosworth or Holbay, the 1600cc or 1500cc Cosworth Lotus TC, The BRM or SCA 1 litre F2 engine, or the 2.5 FPF C Climax engines fitted, so the was certainly a selection of rims fitted to suit that lot.

In the Lotus Book, the 35 is listed as having 6 x 13/8 x 13 tyres on 13 x 7/13 x 9 rims (the 32 had 5 x 13/6 x 13 tyres from another book), the 41 had 5 x 13/6 x 13 tyres on 13 x 7/13 x 9 rims (probably the 1966 F3 version) and the 44 had 5.5 x 13/9 x 13 tyres on 13 x 7/13 x 10 rims.

Paul

I wonder what the FIA papers in period said rergarding rim width.
Sounds as if I should buy new wider wheels and tyres !!
Kevin

Michal Velebný has asked me to post this photo of Freddy Kottulinsky before he went out to practice for the International F3 Brno Grand Prix, 18.8.1968. Freddy finished 2nd behind Reine Wissel's Tecno. An excellent rare colour pic.

Interesting pic. If I remember correctly didn't Freddy at one stage buy a replacement (newer) car, and then reverted back to the 35.
Was is a 41 then went back to the 35 ??

Clive Chapman tells me the FIA papers in period specified 7 and 9" rims. That's what the photo seems to show?

Kevin

Does anyone have a photo of the Lotus 35 fitted with the Martin 3 litre V8 ??
Kevin

It's here:

http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24277&perpage=25&highlight=Kincraft%20Darlington&pagenumber=4

I also have a photo of the car in that race (Mallory, Boxing Day 1966, driver Roy Pike), a rather poor b&w that I picked up at some show. Ted 'Ferret' sold me a nice pic of Piers Courage in practise for the 1967 RoC at Brands, and another similar shot was in one of Doug Nye's Lotus books (the two-part one from about 1972 which is very expensive nowadays).

Are you going to Silverstone next month, BTW?

Paul

Talking to Ian Gordon of California at Classic Team Lotus 50 Year celebrations Dinner.
He tells me he is restoring 35 F4. Have asked for more details.
Note new email address
vintage-marine@tiscali.co.uk

http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/alfa/770/index.htm

Some pics of Tasman 35-Climax 2.5 litre.


http://www.photos.freeserve.com/shared/photo.html?c_album=12886&photo=149599&page=&group=

Willie Forbes' 35-BMW 2-litre, 1968.


Can someone ask Robs why his 33 at the Revival ran 15" wobblies at the back and 13" six-spoke at the front?


Paul M

I'm having a few e-mail problems at the moment, but I'll try to get that Lotus-Martin picture posted, though I'll have to lighten it first.

Paul M

Does anyone know the c/n of Robs' 35-BRM (apart from Robs himself; are you there, sir? :unworthy:)

Was that the car that was in the BRM display pavilion at Coys at (IIRC) 1999 - or is there another one with a BRM engine? I've found a couple more pictures from HSCC meetings too.


Paul M

http://img95.exs.cx/img95/9407/Lucasmallorylightened.jpg

That link was the pic of Roy Pike in the Lucas Martin V8 3L-powered 35, c/n 19, at Mallory on Boxing Day 1966.


Looking at my pics and programmes, in 1999 John Tweedale had a t/c powered 35 in CRC at the HSCC meeting at Mallory, don't know the c/n.


Paul M

Pete Lovely, ex-Lotus GP driver, has a 35 - see www.elcc.org under photos -but no c/n given.

Paul M

In Classic Cars for March 1987, Innes Ireland reported on the Angouleme classic event (which he won) where there were two Lotus-35-BRMs; Robs Lamplough which he recorded as c/n 4, and Tony Hildebrand of Straight-Six Racing in c/n 3.

S-SR had their car advertised for sale in various mags for many months, listed as ex-Revson, Hart, Bondurant, Hermann & Fenning, with six-spoke wheels on it in the picture.

Paul M

Hi Paul,

Good to have a few more chassis numbers.
Thanks
KDW

I've just seen that Bonhams have a Lotus 35 in their Monaco auction this year.
It is listed in the publicity flyer that they have just mailed, but there are no further details either in the flyer or on their website yet.

Peter
That sounds interesting.
Which one I wonder ??
Peter Denty showed me a photo, fresh in from Japan, last year that showed a 35 san any chassis plate or number.
Only identifier for me was the rear anti roll bar had long drop links down to bottom of upright. Wheras most, mine inc, have a small pair of rose joints, 1 female, one male mounted back to back at top of upright.
Kevin Whittle

It has just been listed on their website - wrong engine (SCC not SCA) can't help, estimate is 45-50,000 euros.

1965 Lotus-Cosworth Ford Type 35
FORMULA 2/ 3/ C RACING SINGLE-SEATER
Chassis no. 35/F/21
Here we offer one of the most glamorous, slim and slender single-seater racing cars of all time – the monocoque-chassised Lotus Type 35 which was a developed version of the successful Type 32, the model which had introduced the Lotus theme of twin-boom ‘bath-tub’ monocoque stressed-skin construction to Formula 2 racing in 1964.

The vendor informs us that this particular car, in contemporary Formula 2 trim with a 1-litre Cosworth SCA engine, was owned in 1966 by one Carl von Neute. It passed to Ake Ekold in 1967 and by 1971 was with Martin Steffle in Cosworth –Ford MAE-engined Formula 3 guise. Subsequent owners have included Michel Piol in France from 1989, Vintage Automobiles of Monte Carlo, 1991, Jean-Jacques Gravier, 1992, and the current owner in France, 1995.

For Formula 2 racing under the 1-litre category the Cosworth Engineering company in England produced a Ford-based single overhead camshaft fuel-injected racing engine known as the Cosworth SCA (‘single camshaft series A’) which was capable of developing around 130bhp reliably. Lotus mounted this power unit in a logical evolution of the Type 27 monocoque Formula Junior chassis nacelle which took the Type 32 classification. Twelve of these cars seem to have been built, the most successful of them being the quasi-works team cars run by Ron Harris-Team Lotus for drivers including Formula 1 stars Jim Clark, Peter Arundell and Mike Spence.

Some 22 of these Type 35 cars were produced in period, and they were used and updated variously to run in Formula 2, Formula 3, American Formula B and C and even – with a Martin V8 engine installed – briefly in Formula 1.

We understand that this particular example is currently equipped with an 1100cc Cosworth SCC version of the SCA Formula 2 power unit. It has been restored to perfect running order by Thierry Argenson, Sixty Racing Service, and promises some highly enjoyable and exciting historic motor sporting action.

Anyone recall 'The Streaker' in a Lotus 35 in mid70s. Who was he ??

The Streaker was a guy called Carl Jeanes? or something similar.
Came from Hants/Wilts area I think.
I remember him from F.Ford in the later 70s.

Chris

Peter
The SCC was a enlarged SCA to sut USA sport cars formula of the period. sold kits, and I believe that the cam was chain drive
Kevin
Any pictures of this 35 that's for sale??

I know that an SCC is a variant of an SCA, but what use is a 1,000cc F2 car with an 1,100cc engine in it?

Converting the engine to 1,000cc is quite likely to be a fairly expensive operation (will need a different block, that hasn't been bored out, presumably - and if the cam drive is different, you might as well start again), but unless you do so the car is hardly going to be acceptable anywhere - that must really limit its value.

Check Bonhams website for photos.

Peter
Did the Lotus 35 sell ?
What did it fetch?

Kevin

Kevin

Thanks for reminding me, just checked their website and it looks like the Lotus 35 was one of the items that didn't sell - seems like most the star lots sold (1.1 million euros for the Matra sports car).

Peter

Peter
The Lotus 35 was sold subsequently and the new owner has big plans for the car
Kevin

More on the US Lotus 35. Lotus SouthWest sold a 35 to Wayne Jones with sponsorrship from 'Cromwell X3'. The car was fitted with "Clark's spare" 2.5-litre Climax. It was first raced at a Santa Barbara Regional around the beginning of October 1965. I'd guess this is the one that raced in the pro series in 1967 (still with a Climax) and then got a 289 Ford later. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a second 35 in the US.

(CP&A 6 Nov 1965 pWest-G)

Allen

That link was the pic of Roy Pike in the Lucas Martin V8 3L-powered 35, c/n 19, at Mallory on Boxing Day 1966.

Just spoke to Roy about the race-as he says shame that Piers wrote it off at Snetterton , till then they were going F1 with it.Roy also tested it at Goodwood-says it was the first time he realised Fordwater was a corner

I saw Dave Ogilvy on the weekend...he used to live in Vancouver...from the 2006 Greater Vancouver Motorsport Pioneers Society Yearbook:

"For 1966, he acquired (from Fred Opert) the former Graham Hill Lotus 27/35 formula 2 car and fitted a Ford Twin Cam motor for Formula B. Dave had quite a few successes with the car including nearly taking an overall victory at the 1969 Harewood, Ontario round of the Formula A, B, and C Gulf Canada National Championship Series. Dave also ran the car in a number of US Formula Continental events on the west coast..." (He ran at Laguna Seca, plus Brainerd back east).

Any ideas which chassis this would be, and where it is now?

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada

Vince

I have some ideas, but it rather depends on how many 35s John Coombs ran in 1965. Coombs bought 35-8 from Parnell at some point in the season and Hill drove this car. However, in 1967 Luke Duffy in Ireland has a 35 that's said to be ex Coombs so there has to be more than one in the team

Chris

Vince

I have some ideas, but it rather depends on how many 35s John Coombs ran in 1965. Coombs bought 35-8 from Parnell at some point in the season and Hill drove this car. However, in 1967 Luke Duffy in Ireland has a 35 that's said to be ex Coombs so there has to be more than one in the team

Chris

Sept 1965 and John Coombs had entered a Brabham-BRM for Graham Hill which is switched to a Lotus 35 on the day.

This was the only Coombs entry in the programme.

:)

I saw Dave Ogilvy on the weekend...he used to live in Vancouver...from the 2006 Greater Vancouver Motorsport Pioneers Society Yearbook:

"For 1966, he acquired (from Fred Opert) the former Graham Hill Lotus 27/35 formula 2 car and fitted a Ford Twin Cam motor for Formula B. Dave had quite a few successes with the car including nearly taking an overall victory at the 1969 Harewood, Ontario round of the Formula A, B, and C Gulf Canada National Championship Series. Dave also ran the car in a number of US Formula Continental events on the west coast..." (He ran at Laguna Seca, plus Brainerd back east).

Any ideas which chassis this would be, and where it is now?

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., CanadaIn early 1966 Opert advertises a Lotus 27 that has been upgraded to Lotus 32 spec. This is one for the Lotus 27 thread rather than here.

Allen

All
In the current Formula Junior Racing Assoc magazine is an obituary for John Romanes of Edinburgh. Seems this Scottish gentleman raced a Lotus 35. It was powered by a Martin engine, that was later removed to fit a 2 litre Climax and raced at Ingleston. The obit writer Andrew Fletcher also drove the same 35 on occasions at Croft and Ingleston.
At Croft the rear suspension broke and the car ended up inverted.
John was so upset at this he cut the Lotus 35 up when he got home.
So that means 1 less to survive today, we are down to 21 cars.
KevinI think I just found this event. Sunday 14 Sep 1969 at Croft, Fletcher overturned Romanes' 2.5 Lotus 35-Climax on the warm-up lap after the steering broke and was lucky to be uninjured. MN 18 Sep 1969 p18.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a second 35 in the US.Two Lotus 35s are advertised in the same issue of CP&A (23 Jul 1965 p13). One is the 35-Climax advertised by Skip Horney (Burbank, CA) and Ed Tucker, Lotus SouthWest (Dallas, TX) and the other is ex-Team Lotus and apparantly less engine from Fred Opert in NJ.

Horney and Tucker wanted a 'sacrifice' $12,500 for theirs! Opert was looking for $2995 and with Haas advertising a brand new complete McLaren Elva Mk 2 (McLaren M1B) at $13,200, they have to be joking don't they?

Allen

[quote=macca]That link was the pic of Roy Pike in the Lucas Martin V8 3L-powered 35, c/n 19, at Mallory on Boxing Day 1966.

Just spoke to Roy about the race-as he says shame that Piers wrote it off at Snetterton , till then they were going F1 with it.Roy also tested it at Goodwood-says it was the first time he realised Fordwater was a corner

Just spotted in November 1966 Motor Racing magazine ....

"Piers Courage was due to drive the new Lotus-Martin V8, a modified momocoque single seater powered by Ted Martin's new GP engine, at the Snetterton Autosport Trophy meeting on October 16. The car is being sponsored by Charles Lucas."

:cool:

Hello All.
I have just read all the comments of this great forum.
My old friend has one at his garage.
He bought it about 10 years ago from the previous owner who
import this 35 from England in mid 80's.

This single seater Lotus has the chassis number 35-F-2
& engine number 8003

Hewland transmission has 6speed no reverse.
BRM engine has ?0451-A&M-801 number.

He & me would like to know more detailed history of this
beautiful racing car.
We believe this was Ron Harris team spare car for Peter Revson.

We would appreciate to have any information of this car from you.

Thank you.

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/P1000995.JPG

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/P1000971.JPG

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/P1000968.JPG

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/P1000958.JPG

Very nice car indeed.
Not many Lotus 35 were fitted with the BRM, most had the SCA Cosworth.
I am very interested to know the tub number.
If you remove the seat there will be a tub number stamped into the metal at the base of the seat back.

Kevin Whittle
L35 owner

Kevin,

A guess , however given the totally un-disturbed car and paint and BRM Type 80 engine , I suggest this is ex Graham Hill/ John Coombs car

Hello, Kevin & Bryan.

Thank you for your informations.
We will take some more photos of this 35s tub &
will post those here in next few days.

Thank you.

Kevin

I post some more photographs.
This 35 tub has the number 35/3.
I am little confused about these numbers.
Tub has 35/3 but plate on the dashboard has 35 F2.
Why ?

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/DSC00039.JPG

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/DSC00037.JPG

http://img07.shop-pro.jp/PA01026/727/etc/P1000993.JPG

Numbers on chassis plates and numbers on tubs or chassis frames rarely line up with each other , my Brabham has frame #7 but plate # 8.

Bryan,

Thank you for your advice.
My friend will ask to this 35s previous owner for any more information.
Will post here if we can get any news.

stepONit / Makoto

Hi
My information is the Coombs Lotus 35BRM driven by G Hill was F8.

In the large advert selling all the Ron Harris cars and engines in Nov 1966 it lists Lotus 35 /3 as being a SCA powered car with engine number 50303 and 6 speed Hewland.
They listed 35/2 and 35/5 as being long stroke BRM powered, and 35/5 as being SCA pwered.

The Picture I have of G Hill in F8 had w /web wheels fitted.

A low chassis number such as 35/3 must mean its a car with a good history ie ex Works.
Kevin Whittle

F1R gives F3 as the F2 car used by Clark and Hart in 1965.
It's the only chassis number they ascribe to Clark so probably the car for sale by Robs Lamplough in Autoweek 18 Nov 1967 described as 'Jim Clark's personal mount, winner 1965 European championship'

Chris

Kevin, Chris,

Thank you very much for your posts. These are great information for us.
I would like to know the records of the races , lap times etc
that this 35 competed in.

Any small details would be welcome.

stepONit / Makoto F

Gents,

The reason for my '' guess'' that the car was ex G.Hill was based on the grey paintwork which seems to have always been a John Coombs colour scheme .
If the car has in fact been restored , grey is a very unusual colour to utilise.
Bryan.

Bryan
Yes, I can see where you are coming from.
Kevin