Chevron B40

Did Andy B use a B40 for a time in 1978, and destroy it too, or am I dreaming things?? If he did, was it the one Harper got later, ie -08 ?


(Added in from B34-39 thread - JT)

We don't seem to have any major discussion of B40s on any of the multi-topic threads so I'm starting this thread so we can talk about Andy Barton's B40 and see where that takes us.

Andy bought a B40 in time for the 1978 Bank Holiday Monday Croft meeting (see Autosport 8 June 1978 p51 and p57) but put it over the bank in practice. He never raced it again so presumably it was too bent even for Barton.

To place this in Barton context, he'd been running the Sana and later ran the ex-Scheckter March 77B. I have no idea which car it was but we may be able to figure it out as the B40s were still pretty new.

Fred Opert advertised the ex-Laffite/Merzario B40 four weeks after the crash(AS 29 Jun 1978 p67) so that rules that one out. It had run at Pau a month before with "a novice".

Chevron book says 11 built.

F1R says:
B40-77-01 Ardmore/ICI [Hart] Silv 3/77 onwards (Mallock, Edwards, Tambay, Regazzoni, Daly, Henton).
B40-77-02 Trivellato Vallelunga 5/77 onwards (Patrese); Suzuka 11/77; Roloil 1978 (Cinotti)
[b]B40-77-03 ?
B40-77-04 ROC [Chrysler] Rouen 6/77 onwards (Jaussaud, Ferrier); Scuderia Everest [Ferrari] Don Pk 10/77 (de Angelis)!!; Everest all 1978 (Brancatelli, Martini, etc)
[b]B40-77-05 Opert [Hart] Silv 3/77 onwards (Wink Bancroft, Hans Royer)
B40-77-06 Opert [Hart] Thruxton 4/77 onwards (Rosberg, Ribeiro, Merzario, Elgh)
B40-77-07 ?
B40-77-08 Opert [Hart] Hock 4/77 onwards (Laffite, Jones, Young, Flammini, Ribeiro, Rosberg, Needell )
[b]B40-77-14 Klaus Ludwig [BDA] Don Pk 10/77!!; KWS 1978

Also:
Tetsu Ikuzawa [BMW] Japan 5/77 to 11/77
ROC for Pignard [Chrysler] Pau 5/77 onwards
Trivellato [BMW? Ferrari] Pergusa 7/77 onwards (Leoni)
Masahiro Hasemi [Nissan] Japan 8/77 to 11/77
Keiji Matsumoto [BMW] Japan 8/77 to 10/77
Helmut Bross [BMW] 1978
Opert for Prost [Hart] Pau 1978
4 B40s in Japan 1978

In 1977, the missing 02, 07, 09, 10 and 11 match the second ROC and Trivellato cars plus the three Japanese cars. Ludwig's '14' is odd.

But they nearly all disappear in 1978 so I'm no closer to knowing Barton's car. The works/Mallock car and the other Opert Hart car must be favourites.

Allen

I may have got some of that wrong as I transcribed from the Black Book but the ROC car suddenly becoming the B40-Ferrari is clearly wrong.

Minardi (i.e. Scuderia Everest) borrowed the B40-Ferrari for Donington Park so if it was B40-77-04 maybe we don't know the numbers of either of the ROC Chrysler cars.

Allen

The car appeared in Speed Events with the following history:

1984 and 1985 - Richard Ames with a 2.0 Hart
1986 - Richard Ames but with a 2.5 Hart
1987 - ?
1988 to 1990 - now with Chris Hill and still with the 2.5 Hart

At the end of 1991 it was sold on and went out of speed eventing.

:cool:

Snippets from the 'other Chevron' thread:Have we gone much into B40s on here, can't recall off-hand? The ones I'm interested in are those raced in the UK here from 78 onwards. I know Mclaren had one, think he also descrin=bed his ex-Muir B35 as a 'B35/40' for a time. Did one of thse go to Bob Leckie for a bit. Also Paul Gibson had one (sorry chaps I doubted this ages ago !), and some chap from the Dinorben Arms Inn was selling one thru' A/Sport in early 79. Were all these different cars, or the same one(s)?

Also which is the one Ron Harper had in 1980, and finally, how does the MAWP/Simon Hadfield car fit into the picture. Any more I've forgotten?Harper's was ex-Opert, 08 I think.

I thought the Hadfield car was this one, but maybe not, it's ex-Opert, but more likely the ex-Rosberg & others (06?) Hadfield B40 is meant to be keke rosberg Opert team carrowan also had b40 f2 hart circa 94 sold to john crowson

For what it's worth, I have the following (in addition to those in Allen's post)
03 The second ROC Chrysler car
07 Trillato/Leoni 1977, then Scuderia Everest (Ferrari) 1978
09 Japan (Nissan)
10 Japan
11 not built
12 Japan

I missed this:

Following on from Oulton, I have a few 'Bolton observations' to note !

Of the 3 B40s there, Hadfield/Pye, Sidgwick, Burnett, the first was confirmed as -06, the Keke '77 car. I didn't have a pen to hand to take notes, but I think the Burnett one was described as -11 ex-KWS/Ludwig, then Iain Mclaren. The Sidgwick one wasn't numbered IIRC. Or perhaps I'm mixing up the latter 2... So unless it was the missing one above, where is the Opert/Prost-Ron Harper one now, -08 I think ?

I should add that my observations were only quick ones, and shouldn't be taken as conclusive 'proof' of identities. Merely the ramblings of an enthusiastic amateur, with VERY little technical knowledge !!!

For what it's worth, I have the following (in addition to those in Allen's post)
03 The second ROC Chrysler car
07 Trillato/Leoni 1977, then Scuderia Everest (Ferrari) 1978
09 Japan (Nissan)
10 Japan
11 not built
12 JapanThe numbers 03 and 07 were used for those cars in F1R but with dots after them to denote that they were suspect. I'm not sure how many of these numbers to really trust. Do you have a non-F1R source for 03 and 07?

I quite forgot that chassis 11 would not have been built so I agree the Japanese cars are likely to be 09, 10 and 12. Do you have a source for those numbers or would they have been by process of elimination?

Allen

<expletive deleted>! I just found B40 stuff on the B34-39 thread. This dates from 3 Mar 2003.

Chris's list is much better than mine:

... here are Chevron B40 ... summaries to spark further debate:

Chassis 1 Hart 420R: 1977: Works/Ardmore/ICI: Ray Mallock/Patrick Tambay/Guy Edwards/Brian Henton
Chassis 2-BMW M12: 1977: Trivatello: Riccardo Patrese [taken to Japanese GP late season and won] 1978: F1R say Roloil: Sandro Cinotti [I wonder why didn’t the car stay in Japan?
Chassis 3-Chrysler: 1977: ROC : Michel Pignard
Chassis 4-Chrysler: 1977: ROC: Jean-Pierre Jaussaud; 1978: Sc. Everest [BMW engine]: Gianfranco Brancatelli/Giancarlo Martini/Miguel-Angel Guerra/Clay Regazzoni
Chassis 5-Hart 420R: Opert: Wink Bancroft
Chassis 6-Hart 420R: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1978: Opert: Alain Prost
Chassis 7-BMW M12: 1977: Trivatello: Lamberto Leoni; 1978: Sc. Everest [Ferrari engine]: Elio de Angelis
Chassis 8-Hart 420R: 1977: Opert: Jacques Laffite/Gregg Young; unknown to 1980 then Ron Harper
Chassis 9-Nissan: Probably Kojima: Masahiro Hasemi [BMW engine late season]; 1979: Tomy Racing for Hasemi
Chassis 10-BMW M12: Probably Keiji Matsumoto; 1978 maybe used by Fumiyasi Satoh for F.Pacific
Chassis 11 Not built
Chassis 12- BMW: Probably for Tetsu Ikuzawa, retained 1979
Chassis 14-BMW: KWS Autotechnik: Klaus Ludwig; 1978: KWS: Rudi Deutsch (perhaps rented to Helmut Bross for Wolfgang Locher at Nurburgring F2) then sold to Iain McLaren [appears Mallory 30.7 G8]. For sale as chassis 14 A.S. 8.3.79 in UK, '5 races from new' but a subsequent also says it's ex Iain McLaren; See also MN 'Bob Leckie, Chevron B40, the ex Iain McLaren car' 26.7.79 p.9

Problem cars
1979: Kojima: Masahiro Hasemi [FPac]
Matusmoto and Satoh probably run in the same team with a B40-BMW which may also be swapped for a Nissan engine for Pacific races, or there is another B40 with a Toyota in the team for 1978 onwards.
1979: Harada: Noritake Takahara
1979: Speed Star: Masao Segawa
1979: Nico Nicole (Japan)
1979: Vicic: Patrese spare JAF GP
1979: Phoenix: Brian Henton [Suzuka 5.3; Lamberto Leoni Fuji 3.5; Ghinzani Suzuka 21.5; Masami Kuwashima [Suzuka 2.7]
1979: Phoenix: Larry Perkins [Fuji 3.5; Gabbiani Suzuka 21.5; Naohiro Fujita [Suzuka 2.7]Patrick Gaillard
Phoenix had two cars in 79 and there's no certainty that the Gabbiani car wasn't that used by Henton etc.
BMW engine [debut 20.8.78 Salzburgring] Werner Ruckelshausen
Albert Poon [F. Pacific] probably a B39
1979: Paul Gibson
1980: Kazuyoshi Hoshino [Suzuka FPac: Nissan engine]
1980: Fumio Moto [Suzuka FPac: Nissan engine]
1980: Fumiyasi Sato [Suzuka FPac: Toyota engine]I'm not comfortable with the identification of 03, 04 and 07. In F1R, 03 and 07 had dots after them whereas 04 just doesn't look right.

We then had this on 5 MarchChris
There was a B40 rolling chassis that has just been sold in Japan, alledgedly chassis 07, formerly Nissan powered and originally driven by Masahiro Hasemi. I didn't get the buyers name. You had him down for 09 but the seller's say 07.andTeretonga

Thanks for that. My only source for B40 no. 7 as a European car at the start of its life is F1R, who are unreliable on F2 in that period. So, it could be that 7 was the original Hasemi car. However, equally possible is that the car eventually made its way to Japan after a couple of seasons in Europe and became the basis for Hasemi's B40 in F. Pacific racing, meaning that Hasemi used two different B40s at different times.

My attribution of chassis 9 to Hasemi as the Kojima car is based on there being three vacant numbers in the build series [ie cars not raced in Europe] and three Japanese B40s from new. Kojima's was the first to appear, hence the first vacant number. I'll do some more digging!

Chris

Allen

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Rear 30 Aug 2005
Following on from Oulton, I have a few 'Bolton observations' to note !

Of the 3 B40s there, Hadfield/Pye, Sidgwick, Burnett, the first was confirmed as -06, the Keke '77 car. I didn't have a pen to hand to take notes, but I think the Burnett one was described as -11 ex-KWS/Ludwig, then Iain Mclaren. The Sidgwick one wasn't numbered IIRC. Or perhaps I'm mixing up the latter 2... So unless it was the missing one above, where is the Opert/Prost-Ron Harper one now, -08 I think ?

I should add that my observations were only quick ones, and shouldn't be taken as conclusive 'proof' of identities. Merely the ramblings of an enthusiastic amateur, with VERY little technical knowledge !!!

The Mike Sidgwick car is one of the ex-Fred Opert cars. It was raced in the Thruxton F2 event by Bertil Roos before going 'over the pond' for the Atlantic series.

Are you sure Steve, I don't recall Roos in Euro F2 as late as '77. And would a B40 have done US Atlantic ?? I presume the Gibson car, in '79 I think, was -06, which Ron Harper later had. Anyone recall the car advertised by Dinorben Arms Inn - which was NOT the Mather B34D.

Are you sure Steve, I don't recall Roos in Euro F2 as late as '77. And would a B40 have done US Atlantic ??

The mind playing tricks again. This is what happens when you can't find your notes! It was in fact Wink Bancroft who drove the car at Silverstone and Thruxton in 1977 not Roos!

:doh:

The numbers 03 and 07 were used for those cars in F1R but with dots after them to denote that they were suspect. I'm not sure how many of these numbers to really trust. Do you have a non-F1R source for 03 and 07?

Just to add my two-pennyworth, I agree with Allen.
As I attended the two UK races in 78 for F1R, and no Everest B40s were there, I am 99% certain that the numbers attributed by F1R to the Everest B40s in 1978 must have been guesses (?from press reports). I'm sure no-one else from F1R attended any 1978 continental F2 races, so couldn't have seen these cars in the flesh.

Adam

What about the ROC/Chrysler cars? Did you see either of those "in the flesh"?

Allen

What about the ROC/Chrysler cars? Did you see either of those "in the flesh"?


Unfortunately, no.
They didn't come to any of the UK F2 races in 1977 or 78.

So in that case, maybe we need to strip it down to:

B40-77-01 Ardmore/ICI car 1977 ...
B40-77-02 Trivellato's BMW car 1977 - Cinotti 1978
B40-77-03 ?
B40-77-04 Chevron-Ferrari test car 1977 - Scuderia Everest 1978
B40-77-05 Opert [Hart] 1977 ...
B40-77-06 Opert [Hart] 1977 ... Harper 2006
B40-77-07 Hasemi 1977 ... Japan 2006
B40-77-08 Opert [Hart then BMW] 1977 ... Harper 1980 ...?... Sidgwick 2006
B40-77-09 ?
B40-77-10 ?
B40-77-12 ?
B40-77-14 Klaus Ludwig [BDA] 1977 - KWS 1978 - McLaren 1978 - Leckie 1979 ... Burnett 2006

If we conclude that there's no real evidence that 04 was a ROC car, it looks more likely to be the car that spent the summer banging its Ferrari's sump against various test tracks and then turns up to demonstrate its chassis number at Donington. ROC's cars must have been amongst 03, 09, 10 and 12 with the other two being the other Japanese cars. Given the timing, I'd be surprised if 03 wasn't a ROC car.

F1R identify Prost's Pau 1978 Opert car as 06 but again with a dot so I'll ignore that.

So where did the other Opert cars go in 1978? And the Ardmore car for that matter.

Allen

IIRC the 79 Gibson car was described as ex-Prost, so -06 I'd reckon, which Harper later has, or was that -08?

Where have B42s/B48s gone in the new look Forum??

(Note - Don't worry Dan, we just haven't sorted it yet, but they will be here - JT)

IIRC the 79 Gibson car was described as ex-Prost, so -06 I'd reckon, which Harper later has, or was that -08? Huh? Do you mean Harper's car was described as ex-Gibson, or that it was described as ex-Prost. Or that it was said to be -06? Or 08? :rotate:

Have we mentioned Bob Milne at Knockhill in 1980 (http://photos.blueyonder.co.uk/shared/photo.html?c_album=13787&photo=164577&page=2&group=)? I'm guessing that's the ex-Leckie 14 still up in Scotland.

BTW, where I've said Harper 2006 in my summary, I meant to write Hadfield 2006.

Allen

OK, I've just remembered one of my favourite sites, the Croft-based 1970s club racing site, and it has a picture of the Gibson B40 (http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/racing70s/singleseater/chevronb35_40.htm). It also says the car was ex-Opert (ex-Rosberg of course, but probably the same way all 250Fs are ex-Fangio), bought by Gibson at the end of 1978 and that it was raced in F2 in 1977 and 1978. It also says it went to Ron Harper next. The livery matches pictures of Prost's car at Pau in 1978 but all Opert B40s might have looked like that for all I know.

Allen

Ours is 06, repatriated from french hillclimbing, I think John Crowsons is the Laffite, Prost, Gibson ,car and Mike (?) Sidgwick's is the third team car. I have never heard of Opert running a BMW motor before.

Ours is 06, repatriated from french hillclimbing, I think John Crowsons is the Laffite, Prost, Gibson ,car and Mike (?) Sidgwick's is the third team car. I have never heard of Opert running a BMW motor before.

Correct, it is Mike Sidgwick. All the Opert cars were normally Hart engined. The BMW may have been for Laffite as I seem to recollect that he was contracted to BMW France at one point.

Simon

Do you know where you car was in 1978. Was it in French hill climbing that early or might it have done others things first?

Allen

I had a quick browse of the 1978 European Hill Climb Championship results and found Michel Pignard finishing second at St Ursanne on 20 Aug 1978 in a "Chevron B40 Chrysler ROC".

Allen

As far as we know it went directly to a French hillclimber and then with possibly only one further change of owner to us. The car still has its original engine, still has Keke's cockpit and came to us on M&H tyres!

When we took the tyres off the rims still had F.O.R. painted on the inside.

So clearly not the car Barton crashed then. Thanks Simon.

One original aim of this thread was to find out which car Barton had and we seem to have eliminated the Opert cars (unless Mike Sidgwick's car turns out to be a repaired Barton wreck), Cinotti's 02, one ROC car, the B40-Ferrari (04), Hasemi's 07 and Ludwig's 14. That leaves the Ardmore car (01), the second ROC car and two more Japanese cars. I think the Ardmore is car is the only likely contender but how to find out?

Allen

Ours is 06, repatriated from french hillclimbing, I think John Crowsons is the Laffite, Prost, Gibson ,car and Mike (?) Sidgwick's is the third team car. I have never heard of Opert running a BMW motor before.

Is Mike Sidgwick's car the one Crowson had before, ie -08 the Opert/Prost/Gibson/Harper one ? And if so, where was Gareth Burnett's car after Bob Leckie in Scotland, speedeventing somewhere maybe? Steve ?

Allen by your process of elimination, I agree the Andy B car was most likely the Ardmore -01, which doesn't seem to have appeared ever again does it ?

A few mods after reading some Autosport:

B40-77-01 Ardmore/ICI [Hart] 1977 ...
B40-77-02 Trivellato for Patrese [BMW] 1977 - Cinotti 1978
B40-77-03 ?
B40-77-04 Chevron-Ferrari test car 1977 - Scuderia Everest 1978
B40-77-05 Opert for Bancroft and other [Hart] 1977 ... Sidgwick 2006
B40-77-06 Opert for Rosberg and others [Hart] 1977 ... France ... Hadfield 2006
B40-77-07 Hasemi 1977-80 ... Japan 2006
B40-77-08 Opert for Laffite and others [Hart] 1977 - Opert for Prost 1978 - Gibson 1979 - Harper 1980 ... Ames 1984-86 ... Hill 1988-90 ... Crowson 2006
B40-77-09 ?
B40-77-10 ?
B40-77-12 ?
B40-77-14 Klaus Ludwig [Hart] 1977 - KWS 1978 - McLaren 1978 - Leckie 1979 ... Burnett 2006

The two ROC cars for Pignard and Jaussaud/Ferrier plus the two other Japanese cars must be 03, 09, 10 and 12. Later F/Pacific results (on OldRacingcars.com - I really must look their more often!) show four B40s in Japan in 1980.

The bit about Needell's having a BMW engine and Lugwig's having a BDA did not reflect Autsport's reports. There was also a B40-BDX at Donington at the end of 1977 for Divina Galica but F1R gives that a B39 chassis number. It's possible this could be the later Barton car too.

An Opert advert in November 1977 for the ex-Laffite/Merzario car (presumably 08) calls it their last remaining car.

Allen

Allen

What ever it was, I don't think the Galica car became Bartons.
Dave McKinney reported it as Kevin Bartlett's car at Macau in 1978 owned by Albert Poon.
The plate given by F1R might have been on the car, but I think it came out of Opert's toolbox... B39-77-09 was an Opert team car for Atlantic according to the build records, given Rosberg and Pironi's destruction derby in 77 they certainly needed it in season, and Dick Leppla is selling it, with that chassis number, in the USA in 1983.

FWIW I think the Galica car was the B39/40 test car [which probably didn't carry a plate when it was testing] There is one mentioned in the B39 records

Chris

That would make sense. Autosport said someyhing about it only have been run by Bennett as part of the production process. Sounds like half a story having got into the journalist's notebook and having come out again a slightly different shape. The car was loaned to Ardmore for the race so I wouldn't have thought that plate would have come out of Opert's toolbox. Maybe F1R had some other sighting of the car or extrapolated something from her appearances in an Opert B39 in Atlantic earlier that season.

I'll cross it off the list of B40s.

Allen

Bartlett drove a Poon entered Chevron at Macau 1977.
There are a number of problems about the car [not the least Autosport describing it as a March...]
David McKinney in NZMA says it is the car driven by Galica at F2 Donington [described as 39-77-09 in F1R but certainly not that car which Chevron build register has sold to Opert and which has subsequent history with plate in US] David has subsequently told me that on reflection he thought it was a B40
Other people call it a B40 too. I wonder if this was the "B42" which Poon bought to replace the B34

I've long thought that what Galica drove was a B39/40/42 hybrid based on the B39 development car [39-77-10 in the build record]. Opert ran this car at Donington, and the 09 plate might even have been on the car for the occasion - having come out of Fred's toolbox, while Keke's car was being rebuilt back home. As a development car [especially a Chevron development car...] I'd be surprised if 39-10 carried a plate of its own.

Would Bartlett have any more to tell us? Or any connections within SE Asia?

Chris

Chris - did Opert run it at Donington? I thought it was attached the Ardmore team. (Although this is based purely on my distant memory of listing the B40s for that year)

Allen

Allen

From memory entered by Ardmore, but ran with Opert stickers on it as I recall. Prefaced Galica's deal to run in Atlantic with Opert the following year with Olympus backing. Ardmore, of course, had equally strong connections to Chevron that year because the ICI backed car run by them was, effectively, a works car wasn't it?

Chris

Good point - it would have been difficult to define the exact boundaries between Opert, Ardmore and the factory.

Allen

Fwiw I always thought Fred's Bolton connexions were much the stronger. Ardmore was Creighton Brown and Ray Mallock wasn't it, I don't recall either of these having any 'Chevron history' prior to 77, nor Guy Edwards for that matter. Certainly Ray and Guy had plenty of previous with Bicester, maybe the reason they opted for Chevron that year !!

Andy bought a B40 in time for the 1978 Bank Holiday Monday Croft meeting (see Autosport 8 June 1978 p51 and p57) but put it over the bank in practice. He never raced it again so presumably it was too bent even for Barton.Andy Barton Jr has confirmed that this 'B40' was his 1977 B35 rebuilt with B40 bits.

What I can tell you about the Chevron B40 was that it was the B35 with a few bits B40 bits. Dad wanted to re-build it completely as a B40 after he crashed it but the B40 suspension etc. was not available to him at the time.
Dad hated the B35, said the handling was crap...that's why Chevron quickly brought out the B40.

Allen

Hey Simon!

Echappement May 1978 p120 rough translation: Yves Martin returns three years after his accident at Montgueux having bought a Chevron B40 with Hart engine from Fred Opert, the car having been driven in F2 by Rosberg.

Your B40-77-06 then, establishing pretty firmly that Prost drove 08.

Allen

hi Allen

I am very pleased to say that I now have the B40 chassis no. B40-77-06 which I aquired from Simon and Marcus at the end of last year. In all the photographs in the period this chassis was allways fitted and still is with a "spider frame" rear wing see the photo in the Chevron book, whilst the Prost car has a pylon type rear wing. B40-77-06 also features some other unique parts which were specific to Opert / Rosberg

More on the two ROC Chevron B40s. Pignard raced on the French hills most weekends in 1977 but the second car is only seen at two French F2 races: Rouen 26 June (Jaussaud qualified on back row and finished 12th) and Nogaro 3 July (Jaussaud DNQ), and then at Estoril on 2 Oct where Laurent Ferrier qualified last and finished last. Pignard failed to quallify for any of these races, or for his debut race at Pau on 30 May.

The reason for the extra fishing is two-fold - firstly I've had a massive PC failure and have lost access to all my notes, databases and emails (only for a few days I hope) and secondly I've been contacted by Pierre Haverland who owned 40-77-12 some years ago and said that it was originally one of the ROC cars.

The number 77-12 seems late for Pignard's car as it first appeared early April but it may be the second car, the one that appears at Rouen in June. I checked Echappement for any appearance of a second B40 and there is none until Limonest Mt Verdun on 11 Sep where our old friend Gerard Pillon hires the B40 that Pignard had at the start of the season:

Pillon avait loue a Fred Stalder la Chevron B40-Roc que Pignard pilotait en debut de season. Malheureusement, it n'ira pas bien loin, victime d'un tout-droit aux essais.So it looks like Pignard starts with one car (77-03?) and then moves over to 77-12 at some point in the season, leaving his earlier car available for hire drivers.

For 1978, Stalder modified one B40 to B42 spec for Pignard and Pierre tells me that his car had those B42 mods when he bought it.

One curiosity in all this is that Pignard is at a hilllclimb on 3 July, the day of the Nogaro F2 race but presumably he could do that as he'd failed to qualify at Nogaro. Then he appears the next week in a rented B29-ROC as he'd wrecked his engine at Nogaro. So how could he have raced on 3 July and where had the second B40-ROC from the Nogaro meeting gone? There's still something here that doesn't add up.

Allen

Allen

Could he have used a third B40? F1R give the chassis numbers 03 and 04 for the ROC cars at Rouen [and subsequently]. Those numbers can't all be guesswork, there has to be an observation somewhere. Then 12 comes along; they use two for the races and one for the hills. Earlier in the season they use one on the circuits and the other on the hills, whcih is why 04 doesnt appear before Rouen.

Chris

Adam said somewhere that he doubted the F1R had seen ROC chassis plates in 1977 as they didn't appear in the UK and he didn't think anyone else was covering F2 for them at that time. At least one of those numbers (I can't recall which) has a dot after it in the Black Books which means that it is speculative. In particular, 04 is unlikely as a ROC car as that number is observed at Donington on the Chevron-Ferrari test car which had been the centre of a long argument between Chevron and Ferrari over the installation of the engine. The Chevron book discusses the life of this car and gives the impression that it would be an early car. I suspect F1R saw the second ROC B40, saw the 'missing' 04 in the B40 series and put two and two together...

Allen

It's 03 that is marked as speculative
I've sent an email to Tim Colman...

Chris

time for a list?

Looks like 05 is on the market again.

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/viewlisting.php?view=11835

yes drove once didnt like SS cars prefers prototypes

To Allen Brown:
"Did you see the ROC cars in the flesh?"
Sorry, the only flesh on board will be when the driver is in the hotseat.

Mister Fred STALDER did not yet react on our questions about all the ROC-cars. Maybe next.

Another B40F2, # 40-77-07, should be last year in dismantled condition in Asia. Our boss tried to get #07 in as a spare/teamcar.

Till next time, greetings,
B40F2 #40-77-12 (ex-R.O.C.)

Hi all
I've seen B40-78-14 in Swiss. The car comes from Helmut Kalenborn and should be the former Klaus Ludwig car. The car has still the old ONS-Papers. Helmut Kalenborn purchased the car in 1979 and sold the car to Willy Markwalder in the 90th. Have we now 2 cars?? Any idea?

Thats interesting znarfg. It seems the car went to KWS in period, then back to the UK, then over to the Continent again.

I've just had contact from the current owner of Riccardo Patrese's 1977 Macau GP Chevron B40/B42. The car is currently being restored ready to race in Australia, but detailed photos of the 1977 livery would be gratefully received to help complete the work.

I'll be happy to pass any on if they're out there somewhere :)

is it a b40 or b42!!??

The current owner says it's a "Chevron B40/B42", although I had it down as a B40.

is it a b40 or b42!!??
The current owner has now told me that the car is actually a B42 (chassis no. 1) but was entered as B40 and ran B40 bodywork, which it still has.

Had I read Bryan Miller's post #9 in the B42 thread all would have been clear!!

This car was probably the one Patrese ran at Donington F2 round in 1977, with BMW M12, then to Macau with BDA and subsequently to Steve Millen, Bob Donaldson and Wayne Ford

Chris

is the car blue raced by peter in Oz for many years?

is the car blue raced by peter in Oz for many years?
Yes, the car was purchased from Peter Larner earlier this year. It was fairly tired and is now undergoing a comprehensive rebuild/restoration. Larner ran it with a 2L BDG but it is being returned to its Atlantic specification.

As Chris says it's the same car that Riccardo raced at Donington and Macau.