Tiga

Tigas in Atlantic - shall we explode a myth about Andretti? There isn't a chassis number 2 FA Tiga [Tiga's numbering system worked like Ralt's, sequentially regardless of model]

1983 USA there is one car [FA82-211 I think] for Garvin Brown and initially driven by Mike Rosen till a Ralt shows up. This then [I think] becomes Ed Pimm's 'Sleep Cheap' car. This is the car [211] used by Hubert Phipps in early 83 in NZ races
Peter Hastrup also has an FA82, William Ayoub's car is also an FA82 and as they don't appear together I think they might be one and the same. One of these two cars is presumably the source of Damon Meek's FA82 in 1985 SCCA
1983 UK there is one car, so far, an FA82 used by Neil Crang. [Number anyone?]
1983 Australia Alfredo Costanzo has what appears to be a genuine FA83

1982 USA Garvin Brown has a new FA82 at Long Beach - probably 211. This is the Andretti car, which qualifies 12th and gets stuck in gear on the grid. Hubert Phipps takes the car over at Mexico City and uses it for rest of season. Except perhaps at Westwood, where Danny Sullivan races a Tiga. I'm guessing that with Sullivan's Can Am connections to Garvin Brown this was one of their cars, but by now there might be two FA82s in the camp.
1982 Australia, Costanzo has both an FA81 and FA82. At Calder AGP he uses the FA81 and Neil Crang is in an FA82 [though this might be a car out of the British series]
1982 UK. Driller Sheldon has FA81-164 updated to FA82 spec. Neil Crang debuts a new FA82 at Silverstone in May.

1981 Australia Alf Costanzo has FA81-161 the first Atlantic Tiga built though not the first to race.
1981 UK Ian Taylor debuts FA81-164 [the second Atlantic Tiga] at Brands in March [and boy did it rain]
This car goes to the Far East races end of season with John Sheldon and comes back again.
I have no record of any Tigas in USA

I think the total build is
FA81 - 161
FA81 - 164
FA82 - 211 Garvin Brown
FA82 - Second Garvin Brown car
FA82 - Costanzo possibly [maybe just updated 81]
FA82 - Crang [British series then AGP]
FA83 - Costanzo
and that's it.

Chris

My (perhaps confusing) note on the Phipps NZ car says:
“An interesting newcomer to New Zealand was the latest-model Tiga, in the hands of Hubert Phipps. Entered by Kiwi Dave White, chief mechanic for the Garvin Brown team in the United States... Phipps has been racing an ‘82 model in the States and was confident the newer car, which appeared to be little different apart from having a new nose, was a Ralt-beater. For the record, the dark blue car’s chassis number is FA82-211”
- New Zealand Motoring News 21 January 1983

My report of the 1981 AGP mentions two FA81s entered by Alan Hamilton (Porsche Cars Australia). One was the red car driven by Costanzo but the other, for Geoffrey Brabham, wasn’t completed in time. Presumably at least one of these became an FA82...

I can’t put my hands on my 1982 AGP report which is a pity, as I remember talking to Neil Crang about his car, and thought he said it was brand new. I probably noted the chassis no., too...

David

Thanks, your report on the Phipps car suggests that it was the second of the Garvin Brown cars from 82, and therefore not the Andretti car at Long Beach! The Costanzo car at 81 AGP was 161 [that's the source of my number]. Might the Sheldon car have gone on to Australia for the AGP [as many other cars did from Macau that year] and been intended for Brabham?

I believe the Hamilton/Costanzo team retained both FA81s for two or three years, one as a spare, and possibly one becoming an FA82. Which would tend to rule out the possibility of it going elsewhere.
On the other hand, Neil Crang was a partner (or at least a director) of Tiga, so could have been on hand to supervise any shuffling to and fro.

Tiga cars and Australian Grand Prix .

1981 , 8th Nov.

Alf Costanzo Tiga FA 811-161.

1982 , 7th , Nov.

Alf Costanzo Tiga FA81 -183.
Neil Crang Tiga FA82- 200.


We now have 4 Tiga Atlantics here , due to Melbournite David Doughtfire bringing 2 x cars in last year as a job lot from the states and the two still remaining Costanzo cars , one in Western Australia running in Historic , and the other in Sydney with Ian Ross , this car coming from South Australia to Ian who purchased it to access the Repco V8 with which it was fitted for another of his projects, the Repco having been fitted for hillclimbing.

So Tiga F. Atlantics now look like this, I think. 7 or 8 built

FA81 - 161. Costanzo from new and kept 1982
FA81 - 164 Ian Taylor 1981 then John Sheldon in Far East and UK 1982 season
FA81 - 183 Costanzo spare car kept to 1982

FA82 - 200 Neil Crang, perhaps for UK season as well as AGP
FA82 - the first Garvin Brown car. Probably the car used by Michael Andretti at Long Beach, probably the car used 1983 by Peter Hastrup and William Ayoub, and by Damon Meek 1985
FA82 - 211 The second Garvin Brown car, used by Phipps NZ 1983 and perhaps the car the team ran for Rosen and Pymm in USA that season
FA82 - UNK new for Costanzo 1982, maybe one of the 81 series updated

FA83 - UNK new for Costanzo 1983 maybe another update of older car

Bryan can we get numbers and provenances of those cars imported from the US to Australia?

Chris,

Answer to one of your questions.

Tiga FA83.

Quote '' The new Tiga FA83 is really an FA 81 based Jim Hardman built tub with the FA 83 rear suspension and FA81 front end '' , this car first turned a wheel on the Wenesday prior to the 49th A.G.P. Nov 18th Calder.

No chassis number recorded in Australian Motor Racing Yearbook.

Jim Hardman told me some years ago he had spent about 2 years with Jo Marquart at Modus , Jim is still very active and as I type rebuiding a Lola T610 sports racing cars for new owner for Phillip Island next weekend.

Sorry , that will not make a lot of sense unless I explain .

Rd. 1 Australian Drivers C/ship at Adelaide 1/7/1984 Costanzo had both cars , FA81 and FA 83 for practice , Costanzo preferred the older car , despite being slightly quicker in the new car , ended up using FA81 in race.
Rd. 2 , Lakeside , 22/7/1984 , Costanzo in FA81 and new teammate Lucio Cesario in FA 83 , but nowhere is a note of chassis number , Costanzo broke driveshaft doing a second burnout to get rear tyres up to temp, and Cesarios rear wing was damaged after an ''off'' .

However Porsche Cars Australia [ sponsor ] had made a statement earlier in the weekend that the FA 83 was fine, but in fact a descision had been made to not run the car again untill something had been done about the lack of rigidity in the tub.

Bryan.

More Tiga,

Rd. 1 1982 National series , Costanzo's car is defined as FA81/82 , however for the rest of the year it is simply called an FA 81.

I n the report for the A.GP. discussing Crang's FA 82 , it was described as little different from the Alan Hamilton owned pair of FA81 's .

However the new to come FA 83 , ''we have been told '' will be completely new.

David Doughtfire has advised info re his 2 Tiga's as follows.

Tiga FA82/202 ,

Sold originally to Garvin Browns racing team and was raced professionally in the Pro- Atlantic series by them.
Incidentally Michael Andretti was a driver for Garvin Brown , but David has no proof that Andretti drove this car , although Howden Ganley believes he did.

Car then went to Rick Bowers and Damon Meek .

Then to Ken Ward who raced it in SCCA from 1990 till the car passed to Gary Dormandy who raced the car till the end of 1996 in SCCA in California.

Then purchased from Dormandy by Doughtfire.

Tiga FA 82/209.

Sold originally to Bill Fickling , first race at Riverside , Nov. 1982, wich was a 1 1/2 hour enduro which the car won , co-driver was Pete Hastrup.

Following owners are,

R. Bettendorf.
Steve Hostleter.
Richard Dragovich.
Gaetano Gambrioli.
Mike Spencer-Smith.
Bruce Trenery
Tom Tompkins.

David has all the log books and this car seems to have only had 27 race meetings in it's entire history.

Bryan Miller.

Re the Tiga F Ats, from Chris's list above, do you think the -211 car was another one still. Assuming -202 is the one Chris describes as 'the first Garvin Brown car', and -211 is the 'second Garvin B car', the Fickling one, -209, must be another distinct one.

It now looks like 3 FA81s, 4 FA82s, plus 1 FA83. I'm assuming the 'FA82' Chris describes as possibly his FA81 updated, was in fact the latter.

Btw, who was Bill Fickling does anyone know. Did he have connexions to Ganley/Tiga, perhaps via a S2000 car ?? Seems odd that he'd order a Tiga rather than an RT4, given how well the RT4 went compared to the Tiga, or perhaps, like us, he just liked some grid-variety !!

Bryan and Dan,

the Garvin Brown car as 202 makes sense - as you'll see I postulated that there was one of unknown number. What I missed was that in his report of the NZ series Dave McKinney commented that Phipps's 211 was new for that series, not the car used in North America. This numbering makes sense with Fickling's SCCA car. So, it is more than likely that, unless Garvin Brown had a spare FA82 bought at the same time as 202, 202 was the Andretti AND Danny Sullivan car from the 1982 US season

Chris

I just reread this thread and spotted the name William Ayoub as a driver of a FA82 in 1983. Reading on, the suggestion seem to be that he drove 202 but I'm not sure if that's confirmed.

The reason I'm interested is that Ayoub appears at the Trois Rivieres Can-Am race in Sep 1984 (http://www.oldracingcars.com/results/result.asp?RaceID=C84F) in a Tiga and I'd like to be able to pin down which car he used that day. Richard Revi appeared at the same race, also in a Tiga. I'd always assumed these were S2000 cars but now I'm wondering if they could have been converted Atlantics.

Allen

I think we have rather more Tiga Atlantics than we bargained for, especially in the USA!

In spring 1983 the ownership situation looks like this

161 Costanzo spare car [used at Oran Park 83]
164 Sheldon [UK]
183 Costanzo main car [chassis number given 83 AGP, but advised that new 83 model used in practice - this may of course be 161 updated]
200 Crang [UK]
202 Garvin Brown sold to Rick Bowers and then Damon Meek.
209 Bill Fickling [as Fickling was the Tiga importer this might be the car that appears for Peter Hastrup and then William Ayoub [entered by WITS Tiga] in 83 pro races. If not, what is this car?]
211 Garvin Brown [used by Rosen at Riverside 23 April; Pimm Sears Point 8 May; Pimm Trois Rivieres 3 Sept, so can't be the Ayoub car which appears alongside]

Nice and tidy so far? Add this!

In 1982 Garvin Brown fields two Tigas at Elkhart 25 July [Phipps and Grunnah] and Westwood 22 August [Phipps and Sullivan] This could be 211 arriving in July, but if so, why does Fickling not get 209 until November? And why do the Garvin Brown team tell David McKinney that 211 is a revised, brand new car, in the NZ series in January 83 - and if 209 is delivered OCt/Nov 82, then 211 makes sense in that sequence. So, is there another FA82 numbered somewhere between 202 and 209?

Then
f/s OT 10.3.83 p. 45 R.T. Capone Racing, 100 W. 8th St, Riviera Beach, FL 33404 Tiga FA82
Damon Meek f/s OT 10.3.83 p. 45 FA82 available after 22.2.83 for sale or rent for W.Coast Pro Races
since these are at opposite ends of the country, at the same time, they surely can't be the same car. The Meek car could be 209 but why is he selling/renting it rather than P1 Racing which was/still is Bill Fickling's organisation. It could be Meek handling a Garvin Brown car which is made redundant by the return of 211 from NZ.

I think there has to be at least one, maybe two extra cars here.

Chris

Very slightly O/T, but what about the F381, that Jim Weaver used in a couple of late season F3 races in '81. Was this junked, or perhaps converted to an FAt car? Anyone note the chassis no. ?

Hi Chris and Dan
I now have FA82-202 from David Doubtfire here in Melbourne,
I also looked at FA82-211 recently for sale in Long Isand USA but dont know much of its history, any more updates?

Welcome John

Sadly we can't give any more about 211 at the moment than it is ther Garvin Brown car used in the pro races in 1983 [results now up on oldracingcars.com] and in NZ winter series.

I don't think it can be the William Ayoub car, because that appears in Atlantic in 83 at same time as Ed Pimm in 211 and is probably the basis of a Can Am car in 84, before reappearing in Atlantic guise later in the 1980s.

Chris

Thanks for the reply,
i am looking for race results for FA82-202 in the USA in 1982, 83, 84. Particuly the 1982 Long Beach races can you help here?

John

We think that 202 has to be the first of the Garvin Brown team cars.
Michael Andretti 36th Long Beach, 0 laps, gearbox
Hubert Phipps, 3rd Mexico City
Hubert Phipps, 6th Mosport
Hubert Phippps, 4th Montreal [not a lot wrong with this car, given Phipps' lack of experience]
Hubert Phipps, 7th Mid Ohio
Elkhart Lake the team has a second Tiga and run Tommy Grunnah alongside Phipps, don't know who used which car but Grunnah 19th and Phipps 23rd [8 laps only]
Westwood they run Sullivan [5th] and Phipps [21st 8 laps suspension failure]
After this Phipps appears at Trois Rivieres [17th 21 laps, suspension again]; 12th Mosport but these might be in the newer car.

Chris

Thanks Chris, i assume these are From 1982 mondial series.
ithink i have veiwed the 1983 mondial series, do you have any thing from 1984. Is it possible to get photo copies of these results?

The 1983 Mondial series and the 1984 WCAR series are here: http://www.oldracingcars.com/results/racelist.asp?CategoryID=KP

Allen

John

Those are indeed 1982 results. There are two races Mosport and Mid Ohio where the results are incomplete which is why they haven't been posted on ORC yet. There may be another Garvin Brown Tiga lurking in the gaps...

Chris

Thanks for all the help,
Do you think like me that ,
Tommy Grunnah,
Sullivan,
Ed Pimms,
Mike Rosen,
were the drivers of Fa82-211 ? in 1982-83.

Hubert Phipps drove Fa82-202 in 1982.
Also is it likley that Willam Ayoub drove Fa82-202 in 1983
and if this is correct there may have been only the 3 tigas in the USA ?

What do you think?

There is another Tiga here in Australia.

It was driven by Vern Schuppan in the Macau Grand Prix before coming here.

It is described as a F383 model in a 1984 entry list at Lakeside Raceway and ran in the Australian Formula 2 class, not the AF1 (Pacific) class.

I will be talking further with the owner soon, and will advise chassis number.

Spook

Excellent! This problem car raced at Macau in 1982 and as both Sheldon and Crang were there with their regular FA81s I always figured that Hamilton, who ran Costanzo, had rented a car to L.C.Kwan for Schuppan to drive.

It's described in race reports of Macau as an FA81.

John

I think that there are four Tiga FA82s at loose in the US by early 1983
202 Rick Bowers/Damon Meek
The second Garvin Brown car from 1982 with Ayoub
209 Fickling P1 Racing
211 Garvin Brown car new in NZ series

Chris

Spooks and Chris,
i will talk to Alan Hamilton this week to confirm the history of what sounds like an F3 car,(assuming he know about it) his shop is just around the corner from my home.
Iam not so sure about the 4th Fa Tiga in the usa because the race dates and drivers seem to fit, but i am prepared to be corrected.

John

My reasons for thinking that there are three Garvin Brown Tigas are as follows:
In 1982 the team runs a second FA82 from mid season. If Fickling's 209 is delivered November this suggests a build number between 203 and 208 rather than 211.
211 is described as new in NZ, and that fits with the delivery date for 209.

We had ownership trails of some kind from David Doubtfire for both 202 and 209. Ayoub didn't appear in either of them. Ayoub appears in 1983 at the same time as the Garvin Brown car. If we are correct in surmising that 202 goes to Bowers and then Meek, and 209 remains a P1 Racing car in 1983 [and Ayoub doesn't appear in its history], then there is only one known FA82 available [211] for two drivers at the same meeting. Unless the histories given for 202 and 209 are wrong there has to be another car.

Chris

Spooks and Chris,
i will talk to Alan Hamilton this week to confirm the history of what sounds like an F3 car,(assuming he know about it) his shop is just around the corner from my home.
Iam not so sure about the 4th Fa Tiga in the usa because the race dates and drivers seem to fit, but i am prepared to be corrected.

Wonder if this is the ex-Weaver F3 car that appeared late in 81 over here, and seems to have disappeared afterwards ??

Dan,
Do you know how or where to find Gavin Brown or former team members,
or a starting point?

Found it !.

There is a photo of the FA83 Tiga on Page 44 of Racing Car News August 1983.

I would post the picture if my scanner was behaving, but that might be a breach of copyright ?.

So it looks like probably 7 FAt Tigas - 3 FA81s for Taylor/Sheldon, Costanzo x2, and 4 FA82s - Garvin Brown x2, Fickling, Crang.

Then possibly, depending on what Spook can find, the F381 was converted to an AF2 car in 1984.

How does this sound? And also, I wonder where the 2 UK cars ended up?

Still they come out of the woodwork!
At St Petersburg, 3.11.85 Russell Newman appears in a Tiga 84A.
Given that this is Florida I do wonder if this is an updated version of the car offered for sale by Rick Capone in 1983.
However, in 1985 there are second hand FA82s all over the place for Rick Bowers, William Ayoub, Damon Meek and Riccardo Revi.

Chris

I have the Tiga FA81 car driven by Vern Schuppan in the Macau Grand Prix

It was built as a F3 car(maybe for testing) but never raced as F3
It was rebuilt at the factory and was new for Schuppan at Macau
Its tagged as a FA81-163

The pictures at lakeside would probably be it but is not a F3 83
Ross Holden drove it Yellow No.75
The car would be without a doubt the best condition Tiga anywhere. It has never been crashed and still has origanal bodywork and of course
the engine is a Cosworth BDA
it raced about ten times in australia and had the lap record at Lakeside of 50.01 until Formula Brabham (F4000) was introduced.

Barclay, thats interesting. Are you sure it never raced as an F3 in UK. James Weaver used a car called an F381 at a couple of late season 1981 F3 races here, the car then seems to disappear, at least in F3-guise.

I wonder whether it was built in early 81, which the chassis no. indicates, as am F3 car. Tiga ran a 3 car F3 team that year in Britain, Weaver, Hansen, Nierop (OTOH), and I recall rumours that Weaver was due to use a Tiga 'when it was ready'. In the meantime all 3 used RT3s, Weaver quite successfully. Tiga's own car came out late that year.

It may have then been converted to a FAt car after the end of the F3 season that year, say Oct/Nov '81, and ended up with Schuppan and then you.

As far as we know or what we were told it wasn't raced as F3 but you might be right
Why such an interest in Tiga's? at the moment
Does anyone know how much one's worth?
I'm tossing up whether to race it again but its in such good condition

I have a 1975 Van Deiman FFord Converted to Formula 2
It was one of the first Van Deiman FFords built and the first ever to come to Australia
We have all the bits to return it to FFord but I am going to race it in F2 historics for a while.

The car was originally built as a F381(May have raced or tested in British F3 in 81 maybe driven by J.Weaver)
It was converted to a FA81 by the factory and fitted with a BDA.
It was sent to Macau for Schuppan and returned to the Tiga factory after the race.
Ross Holden bought the car from Howard Ganley minus the engine and
brought it back to QLD in January 1983
It was raced with a pushrod Ford as an Australian F2 for a couple races
before it was fitted with a ex. Charlie Obrien Cosworth BDA fully rebuilt by
Randell Edgell in New Zealand.
It was raced about 10 times in QLD. Last race 1986.
Car remains in perfect condition, never been crashed and is totally original.

Thanks Barclay, thats cleared that one up then !!

Following conversations with William Ayoub, who owned no less than three Atlantic Tigas at different times, a significant update on these cars is possible. The number of cars just keeps growing!

FA81 161. New early 1981 to Alan Hamilton [Australia] for Alfredo Costanzo but does not appear before Australian GP at end of the season. Probably the team's spare car in 82/83 [Costanzo is recorded as using chassis 183 at the AGP in both these years, suggesting it was his regular car; this would make 161 the spare car used at Oran Park 21 Aug 83.] At the 83 AGP Costanzo has, alongside 183, what's described as an FA81 with a new rear end grafted onto it; this suggests that 161 becomes an FA83 at this point, and is the car run by the Hamilton team for Lucio Cesario in 1984 until badly damaged. In Australia.

FA81 163 Built from the Tiga F3 car [and probably keeping its chassis number] for Vern Schuppan to use at 1982 Macau GP. The F3 car is offered for sale by Tiga Sept 82, but disappears thereafter. Sold to Ross Holden Jan 83 and now owned by Barclay Holden in Queensland.

FA81 164 New for Ian Taylor in 1981 British series. Returned to works and taken to Macau and Selangor GPs by John Sheldon, then used by him in 1982 British series. Taken to Macau in 1982. Probably the “FA81” for sale by Tiga in A/S 9 Sept 82, £11,750. Perhaps the car of Paul Poore in the US in 1985 as there are no other FA81s available at this point.

FA81 183 Sold to Hamilton for Costanzo in late 1981 or very early 82. Number first noted on Costanzo's car at 1982 AGP but probably his car throughout that series. Retained into 1983 and 84, used by Costanzo, and John Smith on one occasion in 1984. Still in Australia

FA82 187 New to William Ayoub in Montreal in summer 1982 and used in Canadian libre races. Retained 1983 until sold to Mario Sarazin [Montreal]. Now on the wall of a restuarant in Montreal according to Ayoub

FA82 200 New for Tiga director Neil Crang May 1982 and used throughout the British series. Taken to Macau and AGP at end of 1982 then returned to UK and used by Crang in 1983. Sold to William Ayoub and used by him in Atlantic and Can Am from 1984 onwards, still in his possession.

FA82 202 Sold to Garvin Brown Racing for the 1982 North American pro series. Probably the Tiga debuted by Michael Andretti at Long Beach 3 April 82 as Hubert Phipps, the team’s other driver, appears in the team’s new Ralt RT4, and it is not until later in the season that a second Tiga, described as new at that point, appears. Subsequently used by Phipps in 1982, and probably by Danny Sullivan and Tommy Grunnah. Sold to Damon Meek and then Rick Bowers who retains the car until at least 1987, using it in west coast races. As Meek and Bowers appear together Meek has to have a second FA82. Now with John Pyke

FA82 209 Sold to Bill Fickling [P1 Racing; the American Tiga distributor] in November 1982. Used in one late season “enduro” race, where Fickling shared driving duties with Peter Hastrup. Probably the car used by Hastrup in the early pro races of the 1983 season, then to R. Bettendorf and others. Now with David Doubtfire.

FA82 211 Sold to Garvin Brown late 1982 and first used by Hubert Phipps in the NZ series of 1983. Press reports from 1983 suggest that the team retains this car whilst selling off TWO others at the start of 83. Badly damaged by Ed Pimm at Trois Rivieres 1983. Sold to William Ayoub, rebuilt and run by him for Ricardo Revi [Montreal]. Now with an owner in NE USA

FA82 unknown number between 203 and 208. Garvin Brown has a second car in 1982 from mid season, but it cannot be 211, since there is another ex Garvin Brown car run by Damon Meek at the same time as Bowers with 202 and Ayoub/Revi with 211.

FA84 unknown number, run by Russell Newman at St Petersburg late 1985 and perhaps earlier.

Remaining problem cars [apart from finding the Meek and Newman cars]
'The Capone car' Rick Capone offers for sale an FA82 in March 83. This could be one of the Garvin Brown cars, but Capone was from Miami and by this time the Brown team was based in California, and his having a car would entail it travelling to Florida and then back for either Meek or Bowers [both based in California]. Ayoub has a photograph of this car, in Capone colours, at a meeting alongside Capone's on March 79B and a selection of FFords, and it was nothing to do with his cars.
One possibility is that it's the Sheldon car, updated.

Amazingly only two cars out of this list aren't known to still exist!

Chris

Greetings Chris,
Re.: FA82/202. To the best of my knowledge, Damon only had one chassis. He was a customer of mine (I peddled race spares) & I knew his budget limitations well. He sold his March 76B, and took some time off from racing just to be able to purchase the Tiga. Once he received it, the rest of the budget went to doing all of the required "tweaks". Trivia regarding his first event in the car. I believe that he didn't have the money for a new set of tyres, so he used a set of used ones from the March (something like 18 months old). Add to that, a motor that had about 1400 miles on it. I'll have to do some hunting, but I think he qualified 4th on the grid. As for Rick Bowers, is it possible that Damon rented the car to him? Prior to the final sale, he may have been trying to get some money to payback those that helped him buy the car (?). I'll see if I can find Damon, and get what information I can. Cheers!......Steve

Steve

The Meek car can't be the Bowers car, as both appear at Laguna Seca WCAR June 16 1985. Meek could have had only one car [in which case it has to be ex Garvin Brown, the car of unknown number] but he is given in the chain of owners for 202. Perhaps he simply brokered the sale?

If you can get in touch with Damon both about this and the provenance of his March 76B that could be of enormous help.

Chris

Chris,
I believe that Damon's 76B was purchased fron John della Pena.
cheers,
Steve

FA81 164 New for Ian Taylor in 1981 British series. Returned to works and taken to Macau and Selangor GPs by John Sheldon, then used by him in 1982 British series. Taken to Macau in 1982. Probably the “FA81” for sale by Tiga in A/S 9 Sept 82, £11,750. Perhaps the car of Paul Poore in the US in 1985 as there are no other FA81s available at this point.

Remaining problem cars [apart from finding the Meek and Newman cars]
'The Capone car' Rick Capone offers for sale an FA82 in March 83. This could be one of the Garvin Brown cars, but Capone was from Miami and by this time the Brown team was based in California, and his having a car would entail it travelling to Florida and then back for either Meek or Bowers [both based in California]. Ayoub has a photograph of this car, in Capone colours, at a meeting alongside Capone's on March 79B and a selection of FFords, and it was nothing to do with his cars.
One possibility is that it's the Sheldon car, updated.

Amazingly only two cars out of this list aren't known to still exist!

Chris

Chris

I have just found this Forum and was interested to see your information on Tiga's. I own Tiga FA 164. It is the Sheldon Car and did race in Macau. I still have the Dymag wheels with the Flying Tigers shipping lables on them. I purchased the car from Paul Poore. My understanding is that he purchased the car from a fellow by the name of R. Peter Gates who now is involved with the VS2000 (vintage Sports 2000) group here in the USA.

I spoke with Mr. Meeks in California many years ago when he was looking for his old car. I do not know he ever had or drove 164, but it is alive and well here in Pennsylvania! I would be happy to send you a photo of the car if that will help with your record keeping.

Best,
Ducfer

Ducfer

Isn't it great when an assumption from evidence turns into hard fact!
Thank you so much for the information.
Do you have an SCCA log book for the car? Would like to narrow down the point at which it entered American racing and which events Poore [and maybe others] ran.

I will send you a private message with my email for you to post the image of the car.

This info means that only the unknown Garvin Brown car and the 84 Newman car remain to be discovered. Astonishingly good survival rate

Chris

Chris:

Glad I could help. I am thrilled to learn more about some of the other cars that are out there. Yes, I have the log book somewhere in my files. I will have to dig it out to see who ran the car when. When I purchased the car it was white with blue and yellow stripes. It is now red with blue. Will send photo as soon as possible.

Best
Ducfer

FA82 209 Sold to Bill Fickling [P1 Racing; the American Tiga distributor] in November 1982. Used in one late season ?enduro? race, where Fickling shared driving duties with Peter Hastrup. Probably the car used by Hastrup in the early pro races of the 1983 season, then to R. Bettendorf and others. Now with David Doubtfire.

Chris

As far as I know Bill Fickling (P1 Racing) was not a Tiga distributor, he became a Swift Dealer in 1984. In the early 80's Steve Farnsworth @ Proformula in Sacramento Ca was the Tiga importer at least on the west coast. Later he would sell this to Len Renick @ Renick Cadillac in Fullerton, Len raced Tiga S2000 cars. Renick Motorsports now sells aftermarket Hi Performance Subaru Parts. http://www.renickmotorsports.com/oscommerce/catalog/

Talking to someone who worked for Bill back then, Pete Hastrup owned this car, he thinks Pete sold it at the end of 1983 after the Enduro, having no luck against the Ralts. Bill now has a March 75A that he vintage races. Bill's son Geoff took over P1 a few years ago, but this year they closed shop.

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Here is a pic of the Hastrup Car winning the Riverside SCCA Enduro Nov of 1982.

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Most interesting, many thanks!
Are these cuttings taken from CSCC magazine?
If so, do you have many issues from this period?

Chris

Hi Swede9

Great to see these items. I actually own the car in question.

You are correct in your assertions, the car was prepared and entered by Fickling for Hastrup in 1982. Sometime back I spoke with Bill Fickling's son, who pretty much detailed what you said i.e. they just prepared the car for Hastrup.

I have also checked the original logbook and I find that the first race was listed as November 6, 1982 (no doubt that scrutineering was done the day before the actual enduro on Novemebr 7) , this is the race which is featured in your magazine scans. However the lisitings in the logbook only list Fickling in Novemebr and December 1982, the next listing was in August 13, 1983 with Bettendorf driving. I think it safe to assume that Hastrup raced the car in earlier parts of 1983?

Do you have any other cuttings or info for this car?

Could you send me a hi res scan of what you have, please:)