Chevron B42

Anyone remember the ex-Ago/Voxson B42? I think Ken Brill used it a bit in Aurora in 79, after damaging the ex-Kim/Villeneuve B34D. Where did it go after Brill. He was never a star was he ...

Brill did use the ex-Ago B42, chassis 14, just the one Aurora race at Mallory I think, but don't know where it went from there.

Jeremy/Dan

Properly speaking discussion of the Agostini - Brill car should be on the B40-45 thread... But let's not have that here.
I think Brill was the slowest driver I ever saw in a race car [tho. Otto Stuppacher in his March 761 was close] you could have lapped him in an FF2000.

Anyway, here is the Chevron B42 summary to spark further debate:

Chassis 1: 1977: Works: Patrese (Japanese GP) 1978: Steve Millen (NZ) retained 1979; 1980 Bob Donaldson
Chassis 2: Works ICI: Riccardo Patrese/Derek Daly; 1979 perhaps to John Stokes (Described in 1980 ad as ex Daly); 1981 Patsy McGarrity
Chassis 3: Trivatello: Beppe Gabbiani
Chassis 4: Harald Ertl->Willi Siller (unraced) 1979: Willi Siller
Chassis 5: John David Briggs; 1979: Brian Robinson; 1980: Bob Howlings; 1981: Bob Howlings [though AS gives as 01 at Silverstone F2]; 1982: Stuart MacPherson [FL]
Chassis 6: Opert: Boy Hayje
Chassis 7: Everest: Elio de Angelis; unknown to 1981, then Bill Lord [Scotland]
Chassis 8: Works ICI: Derek Daly/Nigel Mansell; 1979: perhaps to Gary Gibson (FAt) (described in press as ex Daly) retained to 1981
Chassis 9: Works ICI: Jochen Mass/Patrick Tambay/Arturo Merzario/Giancarlo Martini/Jean-Pierre Jaussaud/Harald Ertl [Hockenheim]/My Aunt Edna; 1979: Germaine Garon/Herv é Regout
Chassis 10: Briggs: Don Briedenbach [F1R attribution but maybe the Cinotti car]
Chassis 11: Chevron didn’t usually build an 11 [but might be Cinotti’s car if 10 really does go to Briggs]
Chassis 12: Opert: Eje Elgh
Chassis 14: Trivatello: Giacomo Agostini; 1979 Ken Brill
Chassis 15: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1979: Phil Bennett then to Dave Rackham (FAt); 1980: David Mercer (FAt) retained 1981 then at some point to Antonia Loysen [FL]
Chassis 16: Briggs: John David Briggs; 1979: Warren Booth; 1980: Jim Evans
Chassis 17: Briggs; 1979 Brian Robinson retained to 1981
Chassis 18: Jack Kallay: Geoff Lees
Chassis 19: Briggs; 1979: Tony Dean/Brian Robinson; 1980: Brian Robinson
Said to be 21 built so these problem cars could be accommodated there:

Tomy Racing: Masahiro Hasemi [late season car, retained 1979]
Sandro Cinotti [debuts mid season after using a B40. May be the B40 updated; may be 10; 11 or a later number]

1979
Wayne Wainwright [British Atlantic]
John Stokes (Described in 1980 ad as ex Daly)
1980
Kiyoshi Misaki [appears Suzuka F.Pac with Toyota engine
Dave McMillan [appears Suzuka FPac with Nissan engine DNS]

B42-02, did Patrese use this one in 78? I'd thought he was largely out of Euro F2 at the end of 77. Also, which ICI car did de Angelis have from mid-78 on, after he'd left Everest, -8 perhaps ? I agree there seemed to be a good few 'ex-Daly/ICI' cars in UK in 79.

The Stokes/Wainwright B42 in UK Atlantic 79, I think they only had 1 car between them, owned by JS I thought.

I still think Briggs only had 4 in 78, don't believe F1R is right on no 10, so maybe Cinotti had this one after all.

Back to Mr Brill, didn't he have a Lotus 69 in some Libre races prior to his Aurora adventures ? When you say lap him in an FF2000, after how many laps would that be !!!

Continuing with B42s, Loysen was driving /15 in the mid-80s, and Terry Murphy had it by the time of the HSCC Chevron meeting at Donoington in July 1990. Bill Gowdy was also driving 08 at this meeting.

Peter Taylor drove a B42 in some 1985-86 Libre races, I think this was the ex-McPherson 05.

Originally posted by Dan Rear
B42-02, did Patrese use this one in 78? I'd thought he was largely out of Euro F2 at the end of 77.
Riccardo used the B42 at Nurburgring (rnd 3 of the 1978 F2 championship) - picture (http://www.riccardopatrese.com/images/RacingGallery/R9.htm)

To answer Dan's original question, the ex-Ago/Brill B42 turns up in Terry Fisher's hands at the Snetterton Aurora 10 Aug 1980. From there, it may have gone to Ray Rowan - we're discussing this on the B48 thread at the moment as Rowan's Chevron has been identified as a B48 (as well as a B45, a B40 and now a B42!).

Allen

Anyone know about -16, after Warren B in 1979, and apparently owned, but not raced I'm sure, by Jim Evans in 1980 ??

Chris et al ,

Somwhere we have lost some of this thread in our cutting and pasting.

B42-78-01 is in Australia , has been for yonks , since 1981 to be prescise , Patrese/works - Donnington then to Steve Millen ran it in the NZ Series 1978 and 1979 and by 1982 sold to Wayne Ford of Melbourne 1982-1985 thence Wayne Walker 1985-1988 then Murray Bateson 1988-1999 then to Peter Larner.

Letter from David Gordon [ author Chevron book ] advises Patres used his regular blue B40 had been shipped to Japan and Chevron were not saying much about the new car except is had the monoque from the new B45 , 1978 front suspension , current rear suspension and clothed in a B40 body. all quoted from Motoring News race report from Donnington. The car was actually entered as a B40.

Bryan.

Another link in the B42-14 chain: David Winstanley (Lodge Corner) had it in March 1979 but "wasn't sure what to do with it". Autosport 29 Mar 1979 p45.

Just to bring this thread up to date with developments on the B48 thread, we now know that B42-78-14 went to Ray Rowan after Terry Fisher, was modified to B48 spec and somehow acquired the chassis plate B48-79-04. Rowan ran it in sprints (as a 'B45' just to confuse us further) from 1982 to mid-1984. It then passed to Stuart Ridge who ran it to the end of 1987. Then to David Seton in Scotland then to Carl Amos also for sprints and hillclimbs and then lost.

Allen

Just to bring this thread up to date with developments on the B48 thread, we now know that B42-78-14 went to Ray Rowan after Terry Fisher, was modified to B48 spec and somehow acquired the chassis plate B48-79-04. Rowan ran it in sprints (as a 'B45' just to confuse us further) from 1982 to mid-1984. It then passed to Stuart Ridge who ran it to the end of 1987. Then to David Seton in Scotland then to Carl Amos also for sprints and hillclimbs and then lost.

Allen

David Seaton part exed the Chevron when he bought John Garnett's turbo charged Pilbeam. Garnett was a mate of Amos's and the car was sold on to Carl. He ran it in the British Sprint Championship in 1995 before he sold it to help finance a F3000 car. I seem to recollect it was sold via Dave Gardner(?) an engine builder but I might be mistaken.

I may bump into John Garnett later this year and will ask if he knows what happened to the car.

:)

David Seaton part exed the Chevron when he bought John Garnett's turbo charged Pilbeam. Garnett was a mate of Amos's and the car was sold on to Carl. He ran it in the British Sprint Championship in 1995 before he sold it to help finance a F3000 car. I seem to recollect it was sold via Dave Gardner(?) an engine builder but I might be mistaken.

I may bump into John Garnett later this year and will ask if he knows what happened to the car.

:)

It was sold from Paul Gardner the engine bulider from Lancashire to Roger Murray who then sold it to Steve Fitzsimmonds as a roller. Steve used it in HSCC DBT in 97/98ish and then my dad bought it back from Steve in some sort of agreement with Simon Hadfield, who sent it to USA for one of his American customers I think. From memory it was the ex agostini car but I have no recollection of the chassis number.

Wish my dad had kept it!!

Nice one James. Cue Simon Hadfield:

This thread is delevoping into a relay race. So please someone pick up the baton!

;)

While Simon's coming home for tea, how many dates and locations can we fill in for this chain of ownership:

B42-78-14 Trivatello for Giacomo Agostini 1978 - Ken Brill 1979 - Terry Fisher 1980 - Ray Rowan 1982-1984 - Stuart Ridge 1984-1987 - David Seaton (Scotland) - John Garnett - Carl Amos c1995 - Paul Gardner (Lancashire) - Roger Murray - Steve Fitzsimmonds c1997/98 - Roger Murray [again] - Simon Hadfield - USA ...

Allen

While Simon's coming home for tea, how many dates and locations can we fill in for this chain of ownership:

B42-78-14 Trivatello for Giacomo Agostini 1978 - Ken Brill 1979 - Terry Fisher 1980 - Ray Rowan 1982-1984 - Stuart Ridge 1984-1987 - David Seaton (Scotland) - John Garnett - Carl Amos c1995 - Paul Gardner (Lancashire) - Roger Murray - Steve Fitzsimmonds c1997/98 - Roger Murray [again] - Simon Hadfield - USA ...

Allen

David Seaton acquired the car late 1987 then ran it in the 1988 season and all the way through to 1993.
John Garnett acquired the car in part-ex in late 1993/1994 selling it on to Carl Amos almost immediately.
Carl Amos ran the car in club events in 1994 then moved up to the British Sprint Championship in 1995.
Paul Gardner would have acquired the car in either late 1995 or early 1996.

:relax:

Tea now finished, 42-78-14 now owned and raced by Peter Gulick in the US and the car (now correctly BMW powered) is looked after by Lee Chapman

Thanks Simon. Did it go straight from you to Gulick? If so, do you recall the (approximate) date?

Was this the one Redman used at the Gold Cup last year in Rosberg/Opert colours, if not whose/which one was it ?

The Templeton B42 in Irish Atlantic anyone??? Maybe -02 or -08? Also, to repeat a question I asked before, what happened to -16, the Briggs/Booth car, and -18, the Lees one?

The Templeton B42 in Irish Atlantic anyone??? Maybe -02 or -08? Also, to repeat a question I asked before, what happened to -16, the Briggs/Booth car, and -18, the Lees one?

Can I assume that Briedenbach was the only one to drive -17 then?

:)

Sorry Dan, I have no answers on any of those. Norman Paine entered a B42 at Silverstone 4 Sep 1983 - we don't know which one he had either.

Regarding 17 and 19, there's a difference between F1R and Autosport on what Robinson was driving. His adverts only mention one B42 (and a B48) not two. All the Briggs cars, 5, (10), 16, 17 and 19, need some careful checking.

The N Paine car I'd always assumed, for geography reasons I guess, was the ex-Rackham/Keke car, -015. Mike Blanchet had a go in it at Mallory July 81.

Of the Briggs 78 cars, didn't Brian R use -17 thru' most of Aurora in 79, Dean -19, and Warren B -16. -05 is the one that Howlings used occasionally in 80. All OTOH I should add ! I don't think Robinson/Dean ever had -10.

It may well be as straightforward as that - in which case my data is wrong. I guess I need to leaf through Autosport for 1979 and check.

Was the Blanchet car identified at the time as ex-Rackham? I didn't know he'd had one.

Allen, the car Blanchet drove at Mallory in July 81 was definitely the Paine car, entered by 'Paine Beauty Products' for Norman Paine himself. Mike B quallied it well down, behind Byman's Lola, and dropped out near the end, having run nearly last all race. Paine non-started it at Brands in late Aug 81.
Only guessing it was ex-Rackham, but the locality of Paine/Rackham suggests it may well have been.


OT, but also in that Mallory race 2 Ehrlichs were entered, and Malcolm Hull in a 'March 792', which I'm certain it wasn't.

I went to have a look in Autosport for that Mallory libre and although I couldn't find it, I did spot Paine turning up to Lydden 5 Jul in his "newly-acquired ex-Rackham/ex-Mercer" B42. As usual, Dan's guess is spot on.

But - one step forwards, two steps back - I spotted both McPherson and Bob Fearnley in B42s in a race at Aintree 1 Aug. Fernley was a partner of Howlings so I'd have bet he had 05 but we have McPherson in 05 above.

Incidentally, Gibson's car was still in ICI livery first time out so I'd say 08 is better than 'maybe'.

Allen

Allen, the Mallory race I referred to was the British Atlantic race on July 17-ish. Relatively good field for that race, maybe 'cos it was televised on ATV.

I'm also confident in Gibsob for 08.

I found it! 12 July. Chris doesn't have this one listed on his programme 'wants' so a scan of the entry list would be most appreciated.

Allen

I've looked at Autosport for Dean and Robinson's B42s and it's a hopeless muddle. Maybe somebody could go through MN and see what they say.

Late 1978
Dean in "B40" at Cadwell Park 24 Sep
Robinson in B42 at Croft 22 Oct

1979
Zolder 1 Apr: Dean B42, Robinson B42 (no numbers given)
Oulton 13 Apr: Dean B42, Robinson B42 (no numbers given)
Brands 15 Apr: Dean B42, Robinson B42 (no numbers given)
Croft 23 Apr: Robinson (can't find report in AS)
Mallory 29 Apr (7 May?!): Dean B42, Robinson B42 (no numbers given)
Croft 13 May: Robinson B42
Snetterton 20 May: Robinson B42 (no numbers given)
Cadwell Park 20 May: Dean B42
Zandvoort 4 Jun: Robinson B42/17
Donington 24 Jun: Dean B42/19, Robinson B42/17
Oulton 30 Jun: Dean B42/19, Robinson B42/17
Croft 1 Jul: Robinson B42
Cadwell Park 7 Jul: Robinson B42
Nogaro 8 Jul: Dean B42/19
Mallory 29 Jul: Robinson B42/19 (yes, 19)
Brands 26 Aug: Robinson B42/19 (yes, 19)
Thruxton 5 Sep: Robinson B42/05 (spare car instead of his usual 19)
Snetterton 23 Sep: Robinson B42/17 (!)
Silverstone 7 Oct: Robinson raced B48 but had T-car B42/19 (eek!)
Croft 21 Oct: Robinson B48, Dean B42

1980
Croft 3 Mar: Robinson B42
Croft 23 Mar: Dean B42
Oulton Park 4 Apr: Robinson B48, Dean B42/17
Brands 7 Apr: Robinson B48, Dean B42/17
Silverstone 20 Apr: Robinson B42 (B48 T-car), Dean B42/17
Mallory 5 May: Robinson B42/19 (B48 T-car), Dean B42/17
Thruxton 26 May: Robinson B42/19
Croft 15 Jun: Robinson B48
Monza 29 Jun: Robinson B42/17 (!)
Croft 29 Jun: Dean B42 (so 19 then!)
Mallory 27 Jul: Robinson B48
Aintree 2 Aug: Dean B42
Croft 3 Aug: Dean B42
Snetterton 10 Aug: Robinson B48
Brands 25 Aug: Robinson B48
Thruxton 7 Sep: Robinson B48
Croft 7 Sep: Dean B42
Oulton 21 Sep: Robinson B48
Croft 21 Sep: Dean B42
Silverstone 5 Oct: Robinson B42/17 (B48 T-car)
Croft 5 Oct: Dean B42 (so B42/19 then)
Aintree 11 Oct: Dean B42
Croft 19 Oct: Robinson B42

These observations may all be correct but MN would help. Maybe Alan Brown was at one of these races and noted a chassis number? Maybe Jeremy was? Come to think of it, maybe I was...

Allen

The ownership of the Dean/Robinson cars has always been a mystery to me. I assumed, probably wrongly, that Brian R owned all 3, ie -05,-17,-19, and that Dean 'hired' a car from him.

Robinson debuted one of them late 78, at an October Donington Libre race. He and Dean then raced 2 of them thru' 79 in Aurora and Libre. He got the B48, -08, late in 79, and raced it at the Silverstone October Aurora race.

Into 80, Dean used one of the B42s, Robinson varied between the 42 and 48- though by then the 48 looked visually similar to the 42, so very confusing ! Did either of them use -05 in 79 or 80? Howlings used the latter into 1980, it was then fitted with some v amateur sidepods, I assume he'd bought it from Robinson over the 79-80 winter.

Chassis 16 has been with me since I bought it from Bob Juggins in 1990.

Welcome!

That's the Warren Booth/Jim Evans car isn't it? Do you know where it was between Evans and Juggins?

Allen

Intriguing cks.eps. Dare we ask who and where you are ??

I believe the car was raced in Aurora by Tony Dean winning the F2 division.
Bob bought the car in 86 running as Abbey Farm Racing.He competed in 88 in the Madras GP winning the 1600 class.

Actually its for sale.

I believe the car was raced in Aurora by Tony Dean winning the F2 division.
Bob bought the car in 86 running as Abbey Farm Racing.He competed in 88 in the Madras GP winning the 1600 class.

Actually its for sale.

Sorry, cks.eps, -16 was the car Warren Booth raced in the 79 Aurora series, not Tony Dean's which was 17 or 19 variously. Warren never won a race in the F2 division, though he did win, OTOH, a few Libre races that year in it. I don't think it raced much, if ever, between 1980 and 86.

chassis 16 is for sale at £17k "restored" in 1990 never used
i would swap it for a westfield!!:rofl:

As this was my first 10/10 post I am now not sure whether to spend any more time here having the p*ss taken.I first raced a Chevron in 79 and have more info than you can believe.
Any one else interested??

I meant first race was 69...

Dear cks.eps

Please ignore drifty - he's not particularly up-to-date on racing cars values. I think Dan and I were perfectly polite in our responses to you so just pretend drifty's not here.

We'd be interested in hearing more about your B42.

Allen

Thanks for that.
I bought no.16 from Bob Juggins in 90.He raced it in late 80s including Madras GP.according to him it was the ex Dean car but now you have told me differently.
Its very original even down to the trim.I bought it intending to replace my 712 but finished up going backwards to my Lotus 21.
The bodyworkwas new but I also have spare top sections and noses.There are 5 front and 4 rear wheels.
Hewland FG box and all suspension and brakes are complete.
Hope that helps.

By the way I now own all the archives of the Chevron Company,ie jigs tools moulds drawings and records.

this car was on Ebay sold before end of auction for around £13-14 k ?
likely to surface at a race next year??

Welcome!

That's the Warren Booth/Jim Evans car isn't it? Do you know where it was between Evans and Juggins?

Allen

Funny old world ain't it !!

I've just spoken to Warren Booth himself, who thinks the car was sold to someone up North, but NOT Jim Evans. Given that Warren is alive and well in Blackburn, still autotrading, I think he meant someone in the NorthEast, where Jim E was/is.

However as its over 25 years ago, and Warren is nearly 70 I think, and is not especially interested in these minutiae, I wonder whether he's a little confused !!!

Chris

Was Evans' B42 described as ex-Booth? I haven't got to 1980 libre yet.

Allen

sadly its possible that these fine gentlemen forget who they sold the cars to and if they are out of racing they loose track of names events etc
i have this with my father when i remind him he raced this car at that track and beat so n so
it will come to us all eventually some of us may depart this world when we can still pee by ourselves others will hang around wearing "european" pants

Its handy that events are recorded in AS MN mags that "historians" can work from those and ask others who were around at the time racing or kept their own notes
I am reminded of the Horst 7 forms of knowledge i was taught at school
History= reasoning
eventually we will get the answers in the correct order with the aid of Allen and his ORC dotcom site

Allen

Don't think the Evans car is ever described as ex Booth, at least not in my notes. But I think that AS gives the chassis number for Booth's car at an Aurora or British F2 meeting, and then f/s by Jim Evans with chassis no AS 27.9.79 p. 62, but guess went unsold as he uses B42 in 1980. Bob Juggins was racing in FF until 1982 so I guess he didn't buy it then.

Chris

When/where did Evans use the B42 Chris? I presume Libre sometime as he didn't get into Aurora did he?

Good evening all, I`m trying to fill in the gap in chassis 42-78-06 from 1979 to 1986, my first post so please forgive me if I`ve posted incorrectly, regards Roger

Welcome Roger

Don't worry, John will move these posts onto the B42 thread when he spots this one. (Now done! -JT)

We have little on this car so far - just Opert for Hayje in 1978 - but it may be one of our mystery cars. Do you have anything on it after Hayje and before 1979? Also, can you tell us what it did after 1986? Let's see if that connects up with something.

Allen

Thanks Allen I`ve owned this chassis since `86 used for speed hillclimbs and sprints until `94 with Rover V8, (Replaced Brabham BT35X-2 sad to hear what happened to that one) just seems to have vanished between end of 78 and 86, I have Autosports of that period but not a lot of luck, will have to re read them!! Many thanks Roger.

PS My congratulations to the operators of this forum, superb.

Who did you buy it from Roger? Did it have the Rover V8 when you bought it? Maybe we can trace it back that way.

Hi Allen Bought it as a rolling chassis, unfortunately lost contact with the seller, he bought it from a dealer up north I believe, I fitted the Rover from the Brabham BT35X, cheers Roger.

dealer up north sound slike Amoco Bob Howlings

This look familiar Roger?

http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/wilkinson/ChevronB42-06-RogerJordan-Wiz86-400x.jpg (http://www.oldracingcars.com/images/wilkinson/ChevronB42-06-RogerJordan-Wiz86-800x.jpg)

Wiscombe 1986. Copyright Steve Wilkinson 2006. Used with permission.

Allen

Along with chassis 18 [the ex Kallay car] this has to be one of the favourites for the Trevor Templeton car. According to Richard Young that car went to Pat Speer in 1981. Roger, do those names ring any bells? Would it be that the car had been climbing and sprinting in Northern Ireland

Chris

Winstanley is another possibility for the dealer up north, as is Brannigan.

Thanks for photo Allen, happy memories, Chris, no luck with those names I`m afraid though Bob Howlings would be a likely source, will make a phone call tomorrow which will also throw some light on a BT30, Regards Roger.

Flicking through AS adverts nov Dec 1980 i find for sale
AMCO B42 Hart £10k
ex daly gibson ici B42 roller in FA spec day 01232 eve 01247 tel nos
b42 hart for sale £8750 tel 01532

so chaps who had these cars in 1980?

Found libre seasonal survey report Dec 1980 it mentions Brian robinosn asa chevron b42/b48 driver
is that insinuating he ran a b42 car updated to b48 or the fact he races both models from his stables

Flicking through AS adverts nov Dec 1980 i find for sale
AMCO B42 Hart £10k
ex daly gibson ici B42 roller in FA spec day 01232 eve 01247 tel nos
b42 hart for sale £8750 tel 01532

so chaps who had these cars in 1980?

Howlings/AMCO had 42-05 thru' 1980. The Gibson car is ex-Daly (-02?) used in Irish FAt in 79-80. The B42 Hart with Leeds tel no., is I presume the exWarren B car,-16, that he sold to Phil Bennett, the latter being Leeds based.

01532 is Leeds; 01232 is Belfast; 01247 is Co Down area.

Allen

well that answers that question warren booth for 1 car but who is the NI car owner?
refering to the comments earlier from Mr Jordan for the dealer up north
could it be Howlings or tony dean/ brian robinson

Well Gary Gibson used the ex Daly/Gibson car in 1980...
It was sold to Billy Gowdy for 1981

There were two B42s in Ireland in 1980 [at least]
Gibson's and one for Trevor Templeton

Chris

im sure earlier in this thread b42 in IC colours is mentioned by the owner or friend of owner that the car is still there/ has run on demo races like Phoenix park
when you say "Ireland" are we talking of a car in the north or 1 in each of the north and south?

ive flicked back to page 1 read thru i think its time for a full chassis number update with drivers names etc to be added in
Im sure a full list will unravel with some queries still being raised on some chassis numbers ie where are they now

AS march 81 has tony dean selling his b42 and Brian robinson advertising the B48

As I'm into serious work postponement at the moment...

Chevron said to have built 21 B42s so I have accounted for this with some 'grey area' cars late season. Looking in detail at B29 build records and observed numbers in the field, it seems as though Chevron's practice with a written off tub was to ascribe its replacement a new number in the build record, but generally to leave that entry blank [sold as parts, not a new car] In some cases the owner would run with the new chassis number on [I'm basing this on Matt Spitzley's B29 which is one number in Chevron records but observed with another, which is blank in the record]
However, in the case of a car such as Opert's replacement for chassis 12, because the customs paperwork for the season would have that number on it, I'm guessing that the old plate would be applied to the new car.

1: Works development car for Patrese at Japanese GP 1977. Sold to Steve Millen early 1978, retained 1979. To Bob Donaldson 1980. Wayne Ford 1982 to 1984 then Wayne Walker to 1987, Murray Bateson 88-99, then Peter Larner

2: ICI team car for Patrese/Daly. 1979 John Stokes and Wayne Wainwright for British Atlantic and sometimes described as B45. f/s AS 3.4.80 p.81 'ex Daly works car'. To Chris Hodgetts, 1980 [just down the road from Stokes] and then to Patsy McGarrity. Retained 1981 then to Tony Skinner A/S 2.9.82 pp. 52-53 'ex ICI'

3: Trivatello for Gabbiani

4: Harald Ertl to Willi Siller, retained 1979. Now in central Europe?

5: John David Briggs. 1979 Brian Robinson, 1980 Bob Howlings, retained 1981 then to Stuart McPherson; Peter Taylor 1985-86

6: Opert: Boy Hayje, unknown 79-86 then Roger Jordan to date

7: Sc. Everest for De Angelis. Unknown 1979 then Bill Lord 80-81 f.s A/S 4.2.82 p. 60

8: ICI for Daly/Mansell probably fitted with new tub after accident. late 78 to Gary Gibson. MN 5.7.79 p. 14 'the same ex works chassis he took to two Euro F2 wins last year' [talking about Daly's entry in Gibson's car for Mondello 8/7/79] Billy Gowdy 1981 A/S 10.6.82 p. 60 ex Gibson and retained it seems to 1990 at least

9: ICI: Jochen Mass/Patrick Tambay/Arturo Merzario/Giancarlo Martini/Jean-Pierre Jaussaud/Harald Ertl [Hockenheim]; 1979 Germaine Garon/Hervé Regout

10: Briggs: Don Briedenbach

11: Not built

12: Opert: Eje Elgh w/o Donington replaced by "all new " car at Nogaro built at last minute MN 13.7.78 pp. 8-9

13: Not built

14: Trivatello: Giacomo Agostini, 1979: David Winstanley->Ken Brill, 1980 Terry Fisher [AS 14.8.80 p. 29 ex Agostini/Brill]; 1981 Ray Rowan [with plate 48.79.04] 1985 Stuart Ridge to 1988 David Seaton; to 1994 John Garnett [dealer] to Carl Amos; 1995 Carl Amos->Paul Gardner 1996 to Roger Murray; 1997 Steve Fitzsimmonds; 1999 Roger Murray->Simon Hadfield_>USA now owned Peter Gullick [USA]

15: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1979 Phil Bennett->Dave Rackham (FAt); 1980 David Mercer (FAt) retained 1981, 1982 Norman Paine, gap to 1985 Antonia Loysen [FL] gap to 1990 Terry Murphy

16: Briggs: John David Briggs, 1979: Warren Booth then f/s Jim Evans w. chassis no AS 27.9.79 p. 62, retained by Evans 1980, gap then 1986 Bob Juggins to 1990 the owner using cks.eps, to whom Drifty was so successfully offensive that he hasn't returned - our loss as much as his

17: Briggs: 1979 Brian Robinson 1980 Robinson running Tony Dean; 1981 Brian Robinson [I think that Robinson and Dean bought the Briggs cars between them as a team, running them in Briggs' colours which were very close to Dean's blue with gold pinstripe. When Dean disappeared for a few months to do her majesty's pleasure... Robinson kept the whole thing going, hence the swapping between chassis]

18: Kallay: Geoff Lees delivered 6 July 78

19: Briggs:, 1979 Tony Dean/Brian Robinson; 1980 Brian Robinson


Grey areas...

20: Opert: Eje Elgh [replacing 12 and probably carrying its plate for carnet purposes]

21: Tomy Racing: Masahiro Hasemi, retained 1979 1980 probably Kiyoshi Misaki [Suzuka FPac: Toyota engine] and probably at Macau where it is called a B45

22: Not built

23: late season rebuild of F2

24: late season rebuild of F2

Chris

4: Harald Ertl to Willi Siller, retained 1979. Now in central Europe?
1 of my guys told me last year his friend bought this car-Car has chassis No. 42-78-04 and it is ex Harald Ertl / Willy Siller car. The engine is not original one from this chassis, was built new from scratch and it is BMW Schnitzer. he competes in historic hillclimb events may do euro F2 race near to him

16: Briggs: John David Briggs, 1979: Warren Booth then f/s Jim Evans w. chassis no AS 27.9.79 p. 62, retained by Evans 1980, gap then 1986 Bob Juggins to 1990 the owner using cks.eps, to whom Drifty was so successfully offensive that he hasn't returned - our loss as much as hiscar sold - advertised on Ebay i think sold before end of auction -anyway i was not offensive he lacked a sense of humour- i knew who he was u obviously didnt!

japan f2 cars i cannot recall if they had 2x B40 cars 1 B42 or 2 of each
I need to check my notes

No drifty, you were definitely offensive. Chris and I both knew who he was and we appreciated that if someone walks into a room, even a virtual one, and someone hiding behind a pseudonym starts making jokes at his expense, he'd be offended.

caterham yes westfield no:p

Who was he/is he, can we be told ? I'd love to meet drifty, if only to advise some typing skills, that may be at the root of his 'rudeness'...

Are we still, after all this time, sure Briggs had 5, I never recall seeing -10 quoted as his car..

Dan

Let's put it this way, Drifty helped blow access to a considerable volume of Chevron records...

Chris

The observant amongst you will have noticed that Cinotti is missing from the B42 list - that's because I think it was a B40 rebuilt to the new spec.

One of the late number chassis would be a replacement for an ICI car, and on the same grounds as Opert's rebuild, that number would never appear at a meeting, only as a blank in the records.

Chris

Dan buy me 2 pints and i will listen to typing skill lesson!
chevron records u can mail the guy directly look him up on his website
Colman/Andreason have a list of records:p

If Tim Colman still has the B42 records why are we having this discussion?

Chris

nobody asked if anyone had them?

As I'm into serious work postponement at the moment...

Chevron said to have built 21 B42s so I have accounted for this with some 'grey area' cars late season.

17: Briggs: 1979 Brian Robinson 1980 Robinson running Tony Dean; 1981 Brian Robinson [I think that Robinson and Dean bought the Briggs cars between them as a team, running them in Briggs' colours which were very close to Dean's blue with gold pinstripe. When Dean disappeared for a few months to do her majesty's pleasure... Robinson kept the whole thing going, hence the swapping between chassis]

Chris

Chassis 17 was acquired by Russ Ward in the late 80s. He installed a Rover V8 and restored the car to the original Briggs racing blue. In 2005 the car was acquired by Peter Cox who still owns the car which still has the V8 installed.

:)

5: John David Briggs. 1979 Brian Robinson, 1980 Bob Howlings, retained 1981 then to Stuart McPherson; Peter Taylor 1985-86

10: Briggs: Don Briedenbach

17: Briggs: 1979 Brian Robinson 1980 Robinson running Tony Dean; 1981 Brian Robinson [I think that Robinson and Dean bought the Briggs cars between them as a team, running them in Briggs' colours which were very close to Dean's blue with gold pinstripe. When Dean disappeared for a few months to do her majesty's pleasure... Robinson kept the whole thing going, hence the swapping between chassis]

19: Briggs:, 1979 Tony Dean/Brian Robinson; 1980 Brian RobinsonChassis 17 was acquired by Russ Ward in the late 80s. He installed a Rover V8 and restored the car to the original Briggs racing blue. In 2005 the car was acquired by Peter Cox who still owns the car which still has the V8 installed.
Still not convinced about B42-10 but I have news on B42-17. Robinson drove it at the 1 April 1983 British Open race so we can close that gap by a couple of years. Marcus Pye did the report and quotes its chassis number in the results.

Allen

B42-15: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1979 Phil Bennett->Dave Rackham (FAt); 1980 David Mercer (FAt) retained 1981, 1982 Norman Paine, gap to 1985 Antonia Loysen [FL] gap to 1990 Terry MurphyBut ... Autosport 11 Oct 1979 p57 says Bennett sold his ex-Opert Chevron B42 to Viv Candy for Atlantic racing (during Bennett's trip to Ireland with his Shadow DN3B for Candy to use to break the Irish speed record).

These events happened August 19-22, three to five weeks after Rackham started racing his B42 in England.

And previously ... Autosport 12 Jul 1979 p40: "Chevron Cars have come to [Rackham's] rescue and are enabling him to run the ex-Keke Rosberg Chevron B42, suitably adapted from Formula 2 specification".

Have we got two entirely separate ex-Opert/ex-Rosberg B42s?

How do we know Bennett was involved in -15 before it went from Chevron to Rackham?
I guess the one he sold to Ireland was either -6 or -12, ie non-Keke Opert cars. Have we much knowledge of either of these 2 after 1978/Opert?

what about race reports did keke crash 1 car at a race then get 2nd car to run in for 1 or 2 races then revrt to his main car when repaired?

where any cars converted to FA spec sent to NZ OZ USA events ?
this is maybe why keke can be down as driving 2 cars?
how many chassis do F1 drivers race in a season at least 2 poss 3

I can't find my source of the Phil Bennett connection between Opert and Rackham but it was probably Bennett offering an ex Rosberg car at a convenient time rather than an observed chassis number.

Of the two other Opert cars we know not wot until 1986 in the case of Hayje's car, and nothing at all in the case of Elgh's car [or cars since he had a new one after Donington]. Quite prepared to accept that one of these was the car Bennett sold to Candy. The claim of 'ex Rosberg' might simply have been a sales aid.

Chris

Funny old world ain't it !!

I've just spoken to Warren Booth himself, who thinks the car was sold to someone up North, but NOT Jim Evans. Given that Warren is alive and well in Blackburn, still autotrading, I think he meant someone in the NorthEast, where Jim E was/is.

However as its over 25 years ago, and Warren is nearly 70 I think, and is not especially interested in these minutiae, I wonder whether he's a little confused !!!

Guess who I had dineer with on Friday?? Yep, Warren himself!

He remembers selling the B42 to a Yorkshire chap, but NOT Phil Bennett he's sure. He said the owner didn't use the car at all, he just liked owning it. He also said he much preferred the 48 to the 42, the former being much faster. Some fascinating anecdotes were swapped!

Funny old world ain't it !!

I've just spoken to Warren Booth himself, who thinks the car was sold to someone up North, but NOT Jim Evans. Given that Warren is alive and well in Blackburn, still autotrading, I think he meant someone in the NorthEast, where Jim E was/is.

However as its over 25 years ago, and Warren is nearly 70 I think, and is not especially interested in these minutiae, I wonder whether he's a little confused !!!

Guess who I had dinner with on Friday?? Yep, Warren himself!

He remembers selling the B42 to a Yorkshire chap, but NOT Phil Bennett he's sure. He said the owner didn't use the car at all, he just liked owning it. He also said he much preferred the 48 to the 42, the former being much faster. Some fascinating anecdotes were swapped!

Yorkshire is Tony Dean Brian Robinson country im sure if he sold car to them he would have said
do we have a chassis number allocated to the car Warren had

maybe time for a new list /recap on the news and additions

Yes DW, definitely -16. He showed me the invoice from when he bought the car, and the B48 a year later. Fascinating stuff, the cost shows we are talking some years ago!

Just found out who I bought B42 No 6 from in late 85, he is Martin Hill from the Camborne area of Cornwall, so if anyone remembers selling a B42 to him.................!!

Not wishing to be rude, I've never heard of Martin Hill! I don't recall Camborne as a hive of single seater activity either. What colour was the car when you got it, Roger, still in Opert/Elgh livery or something else?

Not wishing to be rude, I've never heard of Martin Hill! I don't recall Camborne as a hive of single seater activity either. What colour was the car when you got it, Roger, still in Opert/Elgh livery or something else?

Camborne was and still is a "hive" of motor sport activity with a lot of Rally, Sprint & Hillclimb competitors in the area.

The fact it is a single seater doesn't necessarily mean it was being raced, especially as Castle Combe and Thruxton are so far North!

Dan my dear chap, not a hive of single seaters? rinse your mouth out, we had Brabham, March, Ralt, Lotus, Cooper, Nike, Chevron, Crossle, Ehrlich, Hawke, Merlyn, Pilbeam, Kieft, Ray, Royale, Supernova, Ensign, Sark just to name the ones off the top of my head !! not bad for a county surrounded on three sides by water and hanging on by a bridge on the other !
My Chevron was all white when I bought it so no clues there, although I had a very tatty pair of sidepods with the car, (originals I presume) they are white with blue and red (reflective) stripes along the bottom about two inches wide just above the skirts which widen and sweep up just where the rear radius arms mount to the tub, it has what appears to be a permanent number 2 but with the adhesive residue from a number 1 in front , double driven in speed events perhaps, I must photograph the sidepods and post them to see if it jogs any memories, anybody remember a B42 in white,red and blue carrying the permanent number 2 ?
Martin had two or three single seaters at various times but I can`t find him in any results, he certainly didn`t use the Chevron.

My Chevron was all white when I bought it so no clues there, although I had a very tatty pair of sidepods with the car, (originals I presume) they are white with blue and red (reflective) stripes along the bottom about two inches wide just above the skirts which widen and sweep up just where the rear radius arms mount to the tub, it has what appears to be a permanent number 2 but with the adhesive residue from a number 1 in front , double driven in speed events perhaps, I must photograph the sidepods and post them to see if it jogs any memories, anybody remember a B42 in white,red and blue carrying the permanent number 2 ?


In 1984 Ray Rowan came second in the BSC so would have carried Number 2 in 1985. HOWEVER he was running the Toleman/Roman that year, plus when Rowan ran his B42 it was all over RED with white sign-writing.

:cool:

Rays B42 is the car that we know was made into b48 car replated run around then back to B42
Ray had a B40 car ex Opert rosberg prost car

I can confirm that the B42 used by Vivian Candy in F Atlantic in Ireland in 1979 was Chassis No 04. The ex Opert Car driven by Boy Harje in F2. It was White with Red around the cockpit. (No blue on it at the time).Regarding the number residue it carried the number 7 when racing in Ireland and the number was on the left of the front wing. Have photos of the car racing in Ireland.

Are you sure dublinguy? We reckon that -04, ex Ertl/Siller, is in Central Europe somewhere. Chassis -06, is the ex Opert/Hayje car, that Roger Jordan has/had, isn't this the one Candy used?

Sorry all , Upon checking my photos of the car I saw that I had written the wrong chassis no on my post. Thanks for correcting me Dan.

Chassis No 06, the car that Roger has/had, is the car that Candy drove. It was no where near as sucessful as the B29 that Jordan/Candy/Fallon drove; well in Mondello and Phoenix Park it wasnt !

Thanks Dublinguy!
Any thoughts on the Parsons and Templeton B42s that were also in that race? [Templeton DNS after practice]
I'm guessing that one is the ex Lees car and the other the ex Elgh car from Opert, but that's based solely on possible availability of British based cars.

Chris

If we're talking about the 1979 Phoenix Park race Chris, is there any evidence the Parsons car wassn't his usual B34 from that year? OTOH, that year, Candy mainly used his ex-Jordan B29, and Parsons the B34. I appreciate they may have wanted to get something a little more modern/quicker for the big race, but were they both really in B42s??

Dan, Chris & all,
I am very aware of the vast knowledge you all have and am trying to help clarify these cars and dates so bear with me ! I worked for EJ, Candy and Gibson on these cars.
I have a pic of the ex Opert Chassis:06 (which was sold as ex Rosberg, I remember it being said.) in Mondello on 22 March 1980 when it was used for potential sponsors to drive.
I am almost certain that 29.75.04 was the one used by Candy throughout 1979 & that PJ Fallon did use it in the Phoenix Park that year.
Candy was competing Vs Gibson for the Irish title. Gibson got the B42 Chassis No:8 the ex ICI car so Candy got the Opert car Chassis 6.
1980 Candy continued with the B42 and so did Gibson with his.
In 1981 (?) Gibson was driving a 'Mac' Chevron B49 (?) as I remember Robin Smith being over with the car. It was all over Red and we had to extend the exhaust due to the wing being set so far back for the Phoenix Park I have pic of it in Phoenix park in what I have written down as 1981.
Re: the Tom O Leary B48 ( I know different thread!) could the GRANGE stickers have been Grange Motors in Dublin ? That I will investigate. Please help & correct me where you can !
Thanks

Good to have you here Dublinguy!

Dan

Parsons didn't have a regular car in 1979. He had a big accident in March, before the season started, fracturing his skull. Phoenix Park was his first race that season. I agree that the B42 might have been his B34 as he's in that car at Kirkistown 6 October and again in 1980. But equally he might have tried out a new car to see if it was worth buying.

Candy didn't use his regular B29-04, Autosport says that was handed over to P.J.Fallon.

My interest is what happens to all these B42s, because apart from Templeton's car, McGarrity's 02 [bought from England in 1980] and Gibson's 08 none of them crops up the following year.

Chris

Chris, as you know Parsons was out at the first UK Atlantic race at MP in March 79, in the B34. Did he fracture his skull after this race, then have the summer recuperating 'til Phoenix Park?

Dan, that's right, after Mallory but before Irish season got underway. Maybe the B42 at Phoenix Park was because he recovered before the B34 did!

Chris

I wonder is any of these 'Phoenix Park/mystery' B42s that year were English based ones hired for that race. We know that a good number were out in FAt/Aurora that year over here - Dean/Robinson x4, Booth, Rackham, Brill, Stokes, Regout. Could any of these have been loaned for the race? Possible, tho' unlikely I guess, as the reports surely would have mentioned the hires.

Anything further dublinguy yet on the O'Leary B48?

Hi all , thanks to Dublinguy for adding some more deteai to the mystery of the disappearing B42`s as you know I`m particularly interested in my chassis B42 78 06 just to update from this end, after a break since 1994 I am starting the rebuild, moving up to a 4 litre Rover V8 and would like to have a play again !! I definitely want to have a go at Shelsley at some time, it would be good to join Peter Cox and get two B42`s running together.
Cheers Roger.

Gary Gibson (Mc) Chevron B53 )leads from Colin Lees (Ralt?), Trevor Templeton (Ralt), Bill Gowdy (Chevron B42 78 08), Tom O Leary (Ralt), Pauric Mooney (Chevron B40?), Unknown in Chevron B? , Unknown in Chevron B42 78 06). Please fill in gaps , I am trying to track down more info here but like the cars alot of people have emm moved on !

This is a picture of Vivian Candy in Mondello Park in B42 78 06. this is the ex Opert car / Boy Hayje. It raced in Ireland from 1979 possibly untill 1982.
Hope you enjoy this Roger !

Gary Gibson (Mc) Chevron B53 )leads from Colin Lees (Ralt?), Trevor Templeton (Ralt), Bill Gowdy (Chevron B42 78 08), Tom O Leary (Ralt), Pauric Mooney (Chevron B40?), Unknown in Chevron B? , Unknown in Chevron B42 78 06). Please fill in gaps , I am trying to track down more info here but like the cars alot of people have emm moved on !

The white car at the back is, I think, a Modus M3. When was the picture taken? Templeton had an RT4 by June 82. The Chevron at the back maybe Tony Skinner

Chris

The picture was taken in 1982. The car at the very back, white with red is the same colour as the pictured above car (B42 78 06) Not sure who was driving but Candy was not driving Ireland at that stage.The all white could be a Modus alright maybe driven by Tyrrell Arnold ?

Thanks for the pic Dublinguy, great to start filling in the lost years at last.
Best regards Roger.

Pretty sure that the car in 2nd is Ray Mallock's RT4, not Colin Lees Argo, the Cliff Smith Racing sign on the rear wing is the clue. Which wouild make this pic 1981, not 82...

Is it Templetons RT1 behind Mallock? Then Gowdy followed by O'Leary in the ex-Mallock/Alo RT1-66, then the red Chevron, B39 and ex-Patsy McG perhaps? Then the Modus, ex-Dicksons from 1976, I can't recall who had this by 1981, and finally, the B42-78-06.

Just my thoughts!

Your comments are always welcome Dan.
I would agree that it was Ray Mallock's car but think maybe Lee's had rented it. I wrote on the back of the picture 1982 but I could be wrong. As far as I can remember Lees wore a red helmet. He is not contactable at the moment to clarify if it is him. Google and you will see why.

http://www.conconnolly.com/gallery.php?subaction=showfull&id=1174292925&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2&

Lees bought the ex Mallock car for 1982, however I believe that Cliff Smith continued to prepare the car and took it to Macau at the year end for Tiff Needell

Chris

Thanks for the photo link Dublinguy I had a good trawl through the archives and am now 99.99% sure I`ve found my car (see photo below) this also explains why I has such a job getting the rear wing square in the early days, it always sat a bit out of line on the o/s end plate.
The sidepods are exactly as I described in my July post, complete with the No 12 any ideas what year this was and who was driving ?

Cheers Roger

Lees bought the ex Mallock car for 1982, however I believe that Cliff Smith continued to prepare the car and took it to Macau at the year end for Tiff Needell

Chris

Having looked thru' that gallery Chris, I reckon it is Ray M in the car. There's a good pic of him getting out having won a race, I'm 99% sure its Ray not Lees. The car is bedecked with Chamtex/Cliff Smith signage, would Lees have kept these colours?

However, when did the UK FAt series race in Ireland in 1980-81, other than Phoenix Park? I don't think the British series had any rounds there did it? Some of the other pics are definitely 1980, there's Alo's RT1, Westwoods March, plus some 1980 FF2000s to validate the year.

the gold helmet is RM but the red is Lees. Not all the pictures are from the one year, the category is just 'oldies'. But I seem to remember Mallock in Mondello and one of the pictures are of the gold helmet in Mondello.
Re the pictures of your car Roger. I would reckon that the pictures are the year after Candy had the car possibly 1981. As to the driver I don't know yet but I think it is the late Tom O Leary running into the back of it ! I will continue trying to get in touch with guys who may help over here.

Dan

A lot of the British guys, including Mallock, went over to Mondello for the Sealink Leinster Trophy, 13 Sept 81.
1: Mallock RT4-218
2 Parsons B34
3: Lawler RT4-199
4: Gibson B55 [B56?]
5: McGarrity B42-02
6: Gowdy B42-08
7: Flux Ehrlich
8: Fildes B49
9: Adams, 80A-18
10: Byman 760-HU1
11: Howlings in what?
R: Arnold Argo JM9-056
R: Templeton RT1-116
R: O'Leary RT1

Chris

Was Gibson's car not the B53 (see new thread).
Also I think that Roger's B42 that Candy had used end 1980 and Bob Howling was driving it when Tom O Leary ran into it in picture above. Hence the DNF for O Leary
Maybe Ray Mallock/Cliff Smith left the RT 4 in Ireland which would explain Lee's hiring it for another race in Mondello. Something niggles at me that there was another race that meeting and it could be that Lees raced it in that.

Mallock used RT4-218 at Thruxton on 20 Sept, and then at Macau before it went to Lees.

Regarding Gibson's Chevron B55 is what's in Autosport or MN, and I agree it's wrong! Until the recent thread on the post Bennett Chevrons I wasn't sure what any of the 81-83 Atlantics should be called.

FWIW I think the picture is from early 82. If it was 81 and this is the full field we'd expect to see Tyrrell Arnold in the Argo JM9 and that's a pretty distinctive car. It must be before June 82 as Templeton is still in his RT1
If it was early in the season it would also explain why Lees hasn't repainted the RT4 (it was run for him by Goodwin, not Cliff Smith as I said earlier).

Chris

I dont think this is the full field and if it is the race which was mentioned then Arnold DNF. From my recollection of these races the Argo was not very reliable when he was driving it and it DNF a few times.
I wrote on the back of the photograph after I had it framed 1981 and the names of the drivers.
Could it be that Lee's drove the car in this race prior to buying it? Intresting test drive? Maybe as I said before ; Ray Mallock drove it in one race and Colin Lees in the other. I am certain it is Lee's helmet as he competed against us in FF as well as FAt. Perhaps the photo I put up is not of the Sealink Leinster Trophy race but another F Atlantic race the same weekend or a F Libre race same weekend.

Dan

A lot of the British guys, including Mallock, went over to Mondello for the Sealink Leinster Trophy, 13 Sept 81.
1: Mallock RT4-218
2 Parsons B34
3: Lawler RT4-199
4: Gibson B55 [B56?]
5: McGarrity B42-02
6: Gowdy B42-08
7: Flux Ehrlich
8: Fildes B49
9: Adams, 80A-18
10: Byman 760-HU1
11: Howlings in what?
R: Arnold Argo JM9-056
R: Templeton RT1-116
R: O'Leary RT1

Chris

Chris, OTOH, would Howlings be in the scruffy B29 he used sometimes that year, 1981? Gibson was in the B53. The Fildes B49 ?? Adams borrowing back his 1980 March I presume, that Carlos Ulibarri used thru' 1981. Is Templeton's car his ex-F3 RT1, the O'Leary car was ex-Mallock/Lawler, Rt1-66 I think. Was this an Irish or British series race, or a 'big-money' one off ?

out of curiosity what lap times did they do back in those days
are they using long or short circuit?

Parsons took pole in 55.2

Templeton indeed in his ex F3 car [RT1-116], Adams always owned Ulibarri's car I think.
It was an Irish series race with a lot of money and crack to attract English series entries

Chris

its craic!!!!
trust a peasant englishman to mis spell gaelic word
or is it part of the Blair dumbing down of Britain?
the 55 sec was short track
Euroboss 2006 lap record long 1:29.946
F3 in 06 was 1.34.4 ish

its craic!!!!
trust a peasant englishman to mis spell gaelic word
or is it part of the Blair dumbing down of Britain?

Hence the English word crack which "is a short witty remark" which derives from the Gaelic word craic.

Oh and for what it is worth Drifty Gordon Brown is now in charge, so you can now blame a Scot!

:coffee:

before Brown Blair was in charge now where was he from?

before Brown Blair was in charge now where was he from?

Funnily enough, also Scotland. Educated at Fettes, adopted as baby by Edinburgh family.
You just wouldn't guess it from the carefully cultivated accent and the strategic waving of flags.

Drifty, one side of my family is pure Rathmines Irish, so I do know it's craic [not that anyone in Dublin speaks Gael much...] I was also trying to pun with the well known class A narcotic. Wasted, just wasted... I don't know why I bother!

I got it.

Too clever for me this chaps. Now, how come Parsons was on pole in an 'old' B34 up against, better (??), drivers in newer cars??

My apologies Dan, I couldn't read my own results sheet! Parsons was second fastest, Mallock pole in 0.54.4. He hung on well though:
Mallock 0.28.09.2 race time, Parsons 0.28.17.4, so only 8 seconds in 30 laps, and finished more than 20 seconds up on Lawler's RT4.

Does anyone have anything on the 1981 Irish Atlantic season?
This race is the only one at Mondello for which I have any results. There is no coverage in AS or MN of other races and even Phoenix Park got only a cursory report.
I have bits and pieces for Kirkistown that year, but from the coverage in the UK press you'd think that racing in Ireland had more or less ceased.

Chris

Thats a great performance by him isn't it, even allowing for local knowleddge. Good old B34!! Am I right on the Howlings B29 issue?

Irish have Gaelic TV channel
lack of racing coverage might be a "politcal" thing considering the times

Is Blair a true blooded Scotsman or an imposter?
If he was a true scot he would sing flower of scotland not god save the queen and wear tartan underpants

Japan B40 cars
looking at my 1978 mag report 1 b40 1 b40/42 and 1 B35/40 are listed to some drivers
So Chris when u get that £3 out and buy me a beer i will let you look at my mags!

I'd say Blair was an impostor as a human being, let alone as a Scotsman...

Now Drifty, about that three quid. Would the Jap Chevrons have chassis numbers attached?
Would they be B35.76.14 for Kuniomi Nagamatsu [assuming the copy you've got isn't covering the Suzuka 6 March race where Ikuzawa ran it?
B40.9.77 for Ikuzawa
B40.10.77 for Keiji Matsumoto

Should be a real late season B42 for Hasemi with Tomy Racing, chassis number somewhere in the low 20s.

Just want to be sure I'm getting my money's worth...

sadly mags have no vin plate references for the 78 races the 82 mag does for 822 cars
however i DO know 1 plate # for b42 or b40 as i have the foto! now thats worth 3 lots of 3 squids or 4 pints?

All very well having a photo of the plate, is it contemporary or period? Is there are driver attached to the car?

B42 78 06 isnt the car that Howlings was driving ? yes / no Dan?

Leinster Trophy is (well was.. ) one the big races of the year in Mondello for the Premier class in Ireland, It has gone from F5000 to F Atlantic to FF2000 to F Libre now. Some great cars now running in the F Libre class now:

http://www.formulalibreireland.com

'Craic' whatever spellings dont really come to mind when one mentions Blair or Brown or even Bush but then when you say Clinton well then that means Craic.

Being a genuine Dub I know all about Craic !

We were uncertain before whether Brian Robinson's Esprit was based on his B42 or his B48. This advert clears it up:

Autosport 17 Mar 1983 p74: (1) Esprit "professionally built from F2 B48 and powered by a Hart-maintained 420R"; (2) "B42 F2 Chevron/Hart" "immaculately prepared".

As I am planning to come back to single seaters I read all this a couple of weeks ago with interest.
B42 78 -14 was mine from 1987 - 1993 as Steve Wilkinson correctly reports, and bore the Chassis plate B48 79 - 04.
I am sure I always entered it as a B42, but prior to purchasing it I had heard it was a B45 - this I think as it ran a 1600 BDM in these days, and a B45 was an Atlantic car.
I have tracked the car down to a dealer in England who have an affiliation with Brian Redman, who I would guess has been instrumental in its' return to the UK.
It now has the correct BMW M12 engine and looks to have had a fantastic rebuild.
I have a real notion to own it again, so called to find out the price. I had made my own guess as to the likely value based on the sum of the parts - chassis, FT200 and M12 motor - and realised it was going to be a lot more than I got for it back then !!
But, as they say, they are having a giraffe - the price is a mere £85k !!!!! I have been in shock for most of the day - I could buy a helluva lot of single seater for half that.
OK, so it is, and was when I had it, a pleasant car, albeit one of the most common and relatively unsuccessful models. Thankfully I don't want a B19 or I guess by this system I would need £250k - or am I totally out of touch - I don't think so !!

yes yr car was entered as B45 with bda when ray rowan had it it also ran ferrari dino engine in F2 as well as BMW
in the 90`s it had a hart 420R before it was sold to usa where the corrrect BMW was refitted
if you are wanting an historic f2 or a 2 litre car what is yr budget?
send me a pm and i will see what i have in my cupboard

As I am planning to come back to single seaters I read all this a couple of weeks ago with interest.
B42 78 -14 was mine from 1987 - 1993 as Steve Wilkinson correctly reports, and bore the Chassis plate B48 79 - 04.
I am sure I always entered it as a B42, but prior to purchasing it I had heard it was a B45 - this I think as it ran a 1600 BDM in these days, and a B45 was an Atlantic car.

David, did you buy it from Stuart Ridge? If so was his engine of choice the BDM?

All the best,

Steve

Hi Steve,
I must speak later about MP43, MP58, MP62's etc etc, but meantime, the Chevron.
I bought it in 1987 from Stuart Ridge, collecting it at the end of the last Shelsley of the season. It had a 1600 BDM at that point - short stroke, F1 cams, Lucas Mech Inj. It was painted blue and white with "Lough Pool Inn" down the sides. I paid £7250 including trailer and spares. It was sold because Stuart and his father (Norman) had discovered two Maurer chassis and M12 engines, and saw the investment value in them. (I guess if my old Chevron is now £85k, a Maurer will be well over £100 k !!!) As far as I was aware this was the same engine used by Ray Rowan prior to him selling the car to Stuart.
I ran it untouched for the first part of the following season and ran into engine difficulties (head cracked and beyond further repair). In the end I found a new BDA head casting and sent it to Langford and Peck to take out to "as big as possible". This they duly did at a cost of some £2200, which was a fortune then, especially relative to the value of the car.
All the time I had the car it ran with the BDM, built locally by Doug Thomson. With the F1 cams it was not ideal on Hillclimbs as it had absolutely nothing below 7500 rpm, but above that it was brilliant, probably in part due to the head (and very much to do with Dougs' ability) , and despite the enormous revs used it was very reliable. At the time it was considered by most to be the crispest and highest revving BD motor in use.
When I traded it to John Garnett for the Pilbeam MP53H , I was allowed £14000 as a trade in - As they say -"I thought I'd won a watch" !!
He passed it to Carl Amos whose first job was to remove the F1 cams as he thought it undriveable. It never sounded or went properly after that.
Then I lost touch with it until relatively recently.
I am still staggered as it was probably one of the least successful B42's of its time as neither Agostini nor Ken Brill did any good whatsoever with it. Arguably Ray, Stuart and myself were the only people to get any worthwhile results with this car, and then all in Speed Events.
Perhaps the restorers judgement can be influenced by the romance of a famous name rather than the actual abysmal reality of the car at the time !
My notion on 2 litre cars was mainly based around having my old car back, although perhaps I should consider this further as the Unlimited class in Hillclimbs nowadays looks absolutely terrifying, and I intend to return this year with some car.
Thank you, driftwood, for your suggestion - I will PM you tomorrow once I am back at work with access to my email.

In period B42-14 ran a whole variety of engines [assuming that 'period' doesn't just refer to the first year of use...]
Brill ran it with a BDG [IIRC] tho he was going so slowly it might have been a Ford Kent in need of a rebuild...
Fisher might have run it with some variety of 1.6 BD engine [BDD or BDM I guess] rather than the 2.0, which may have been a bit much.

However, surely it makes sense to run any engine with which the car could reasonably have been fitted in period. Very few [two?] B42s were actually fitted with BMW M12s. Most ran Hart 420Rs, two had Ferrari engines and Millen's 42-01 [after Patrese ran it with a BMW in the Japanese GP] ran its entire period life as an Atlantic with a BDM [and that car was in any case probably a rebuild based on B40-02...]

Given that many B42s had a period life in Atlantic/Pacific spec wouldn't it be quite in order to run with a BDD/BDM or even [assuming you could get them] a Nissan LZ14 or Toyota 2T-G [SEA races including Macau]?

Chris

1 running in period - im sure allen simon H etc will say the "period" days of the F2 c/ship that model ran form new to say 3 years after model launch
Its NOT the years it ran outside the pukka c/ship ie in aurora etc even to the degree of a certain chassis that could have been sold new in those days but for arguments sake went hillclimbing in outer mongolia with a lada turbo V16 engine
you can state the particular chassis can run that motor but not the other 15 cars built

2 selling Chevron in 1987 to buy Maurer MM80 was just a fashion thing not an investment back then as the hysterical racing was low level it would be like selling yr mk6 VW golf thats 5 yrs old to buy the mk7 version thats 3 yrs old
today the hysterical racing is all about being pre 1980 hence why the 74-78 cars are all at high values ( common capitalist supply n demand strategy) over the later post 1980 GE cars
I LOVE THE LATER CARS- HOWEVER i know a certain "gentleman" who would not p--s on 1 if it caught fire but would throw his wife and kids onto the early car to extinguish the flames

I disagree with you of course. Any International is good enough.

B42 78 -14 was mine from 1987 - 1993 as Steve Wilkinson correctly reports, and bore the Chassis plate B48 79 - 04.

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v162/125/90/826713559/n826713559_241451_79.jpg

A photo of David's B42 taken at Doune 1988.

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International what?
f2 race at Thruxton or International hillclimb race in jamaica?
Was aurora International?

you cant have a B48 racing with b42 bodywork as it did NOT race in the f2 c/ship race these cars ran in club events but a motor used in in period can be fitted to any chevron B42 chassis not the exact chassis numbered car

International what?
f2 race at Thruxton or International hillclimb race in jamaica?
Was aurora International?

you cant have a B48 racing with b42 bodywork as it did NOT race in the f2 c/ship race these cars ran in club events

But the prototype [which became the Robinson car] ran at Macau with B42 bodywork...so as long as you fit a BDM you should be alright!

I think AFX was international but not the ShellSport series. I think you had to have International B or C license to do Aurora, though don't quite know where Ken Brill got one of those

Chris

Steve,
Thanks for the photo - you don't by any chance have any from the first Jim Thomson Memorial meeting at Harewood, when the car was at it's best !!?
That was the meeting when Doug Thomson also drove it, having totally rebuilt it, - he hadn't driven in competition for 15 years, nor had driven the car until the first practise run, but managed to win the class and proved why he was previously Scottish Hillclimb Champion. How embarrassing to be beaten with your own car, by a man in his white Castrol overalls from 1973 !!
Regards
D

Steve,
Thanks for the photo - you don't by any chance have any from the first Jim Thomson Memorial meeting at Harewood, when the car was at it's best !!?
That was the meeting when Doug Thomson also drove it, having totally rebuilt it, - he hadn't driven in competition for 15 years, nor had driven the car until the first practise run, but managed to win the class and proved why he was previously Scottish Hillclimb Champion. How embarrassing to be beaten with your own car, by a man in his white Castrol overalls from 1973 !!
Regards
D

David, any idea of the exact date? I tend not to keep photos by meeting titles but by date/venue.

All the best,

Steve

Hi,
I am seeing Doug tonight - as it was his last event, he will doubtless be able to recall exactly when it was - he will have kept his last Competition licence as a momento !!

David/Steve, thats a great photo of a beautiful car. And drifty, surely AFX was an 'International' series, certainly in its best year, 1979, it was quite serious with good teams/drivers/money.

Steve
We reckon the Harewood event was June 1991 - hopefully you can find something. As an aside, the return of the Turbo Pilbeam is well underway and should be out mid season.
Dan Rear - Thanks for your compliment, but the car was actually fairly rough at that stage as I had only had it a few months - eg note the hideous lump on the rollbar to cover the top of my 6' 2" height. Hopefully Steve will find a later photo, it really was far nicer later on - although some did not go with my colour choice !!

Steve
We reckon the Harewood event was June 1991 - hopefully you can find something. As an aside, the return of the Turbo Pilbeam is well underway and should be out mid season.

Sorry David, I only went to the 29th September meeting at Harewood as that was the only British Hillclimb Championship round there that year.

I will try to "dig out" a better shot of the B42!

Best of luck with the Pilbeam. :relax:

Thought we should have a period photo so .....

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v217/125/90/826713559/n826713559_395462_3772.jpg
Beppe Gabbiani in the Chevron-Ferrari at Thruxton Easter Monday

:photo:

just in time for not only easter but Thruxtons 40th aniversary meeting Hurrah !!

Steve Do you have many F2 race photos?

Steve Do you have many F2 race photos?

Does the Pope kiss tarmac? :photo:

can u be a darling and make me some "race car porn" onto a cd and post to me I have saved up my beer allowance !!

can u be a darling and make me some "race car porn" onto a cd and post to me I have saved up my beer allowance !!

Listen Drifty, calling me "darling" and asking for "porn" is not going to work!

I work on a more mercenary level!

:innocent:

:hug: your starting to remind me of the well known tory MP alan b`stad

:hug: your starting to remind me of the well known tory MP alan b`stad

My hero! :unworthy:

just in time for not only easter but Thruxtons 40th aniversary meeting Hurrah !!

Steve Do you have many F2 race photos?

Drifty, Steve has many many F2 pics from the late 70s, he's always theatening to post 'em, esp the B48 ones! I've given up asking him tho' !!

By the way, where did the Beppe car go after 78, chassis -03 OTOH?

Drifty, Steve has many many F2 pics from the late 70s, he's always theatening to post 'em, esp the B48 ones! I've given up asking him tho' !!

At last!

I can now get on with scanning them in! Just spotted a nice one of Warren Booth at Thruxton in his B48!

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your such a tease to him Steve
can u post a B48 bomber instead!

Do you mean a B47 Drifty, or a B58 maybe, I don't think there was a B48 bomber...

:rofl: :woot: :nyah: :nyah2: :(
MMmmm Im lovin it!

There was a B48 bomber but only two were ever built...
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2661
So Chevron's version was marginally more successful

There was a B48 bomber but only two were ever built...
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2661
So Chevron's version was marginally more successful

Glad you said marginally! :rotate:

update on above Grange its a B42 car
Robinson had 4 cars believe 1 was cut down middle and widened to be the thundersports car
i thought this went to Jim McGaughy Jim stevenson to be there FES bmw powered Thundersports carNot sure which B42 this would be but here's an overview of the Grange 85T:

First raced in Thundersports by Brian Robinson and Jeff Wilson (Grange Performance Cars) at Thruxton (round 3) 6 May 1985. Same pairing at R4, R5, R6, R7 and R8. Then for Jeff Wilson and Jim McGaughay (FES Racing) at Birmingham 25 Aug 1986 and Oulton Park 21 Sep 1986. Same pairing in 1987 at Oulton Park 17 Apr 1987 and at every round of the 1987 series. Hart engine specified in 1985 and 1986; BMW in 1987.

There is an Alan Cox picture of the car here (http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?postid=3101673#post3101673).

Chassis 17 was acquired by Russ Ward in the late 80s. He installed a Rover V8 and restored the car to the original Briggs racing blue. In 2005 the car was acquired by Peter Cox who still owns the car which still has the V8 installed.

:)So I guess that means the Grange 85T must have built from Chassis 19.

will hear soon exactly what b42# it was
I wonder if Jim McG rented the car or bought it? the Bimmer was his from the Lancia toleman tg280#13 car he had sold by then

Anyway, here is the Chevron B42 summary to spark further debate:

Chassis 1: 1977: Works: Patrese (Japanese GP) 1978: Steve Millen (NZ) retained 1979; 1980 Bob Donaldson
Chassis 2: Works ICI: Riccardo Patrese/Derek Daly; 1979 perhaps to John Stokes (Described in 1980 ad as ex Daly); 1981 Patsy McGarrity
Chassis 3: Trivatello: Beppe Gabbiani
Chassis 4: Harald Ertl->Willi Siller (unraced) 1979: Willi Siller
Chassis 5: John David Briggs; 1979: Brian Robinson; 1980: Bob Howlings; 1981: Bob Howlings [though AS gives as 01 at Silverstone F2]; 1982: Stuart MacPherson [FL]
Chassis 6: Opert: Boy Hayje
Chassis 7: Everest: Elio de Angelis; unknown to 1981, then Bill Lord [Scotland]
Chassis 8: Works ICI: Derek Daly/Nigel Mansell; 1979: perhaps to Gary Gibson (FAt) (described in press as ex Daly) retained to 1981
Chassis 9: Works ICI: Jochen Mass/Patrick Tambay/Arturo Merzario/Giancarlo Martini/Jean-Pierre Jaussaud/Harald Ertl [Hockenheim]/My Aunt Edna; 1979: Germaine Garon/Herv é Regout
Chassis 10: Briggs: Don Briedenbach [F1R attribution but maybe the Cinotti car]
Chassis 11: Chevron didn’t usually build an 11 [but might be Cinotti’s car if 10 really does go to Briggs]
Chassis 12: Opert: Eje Elgh
Chassis 14: Trivatello: Giacomo Agostini; 1979 Ken Brill
Chassis 15: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1979: Phil Bennett then to Dave Rackham (FAt); 1980: David Mercer (FAt) retained 1981 then at some point to Antonia Loysen [FL]
Chassis 16: Briggs: John David Briggs; 1979: Warren Booth; 1980: Jim Evans
Chassis 17: Briggs; 1979 Brian Robinson retained to 1981
Chassis 18: Jack Kallay: Geoff Lees
Chassis 19: Briggs; 1979: Tony Dean/Brian Robinson; 1980: Brian Robinson
Said to be 21 built so these problem cars could be accommodated there:

Tomy Racing: Masahiro Hasemi [late season car, retained 1979]
Sandro Cinotti [debuts mid season after using a B40. May be the B40 updated; may be 10; 11 or a later number]

1979
Wayne Wainwright [British Atlantic]
John Stokes (Described in 1980 ad as ex Daly)
1980
Kiyoshi Misaki [appears Suzuka F.Pac with Toyota engine
Dave McMillan [appears Suzuka FPac with Nissan engine DNS]

Chassis Number 16 has recently been purchased by Jon Waggitt. Jon will be rebuilding the car some time next year and once he has secured a suitable engine will be out racing it in the Derek Bell and Hist Euro F2 series.

:)

great i can now go take the michael out of him