Chevron B19

Could peolpe shed a light onto the history of Chevron B19 especially in Europe?

-Chevron B19 Chassis No. 27, driven by Brian Redman & Mike Hailwood

-Race debut: September 1971 at Nurbergring 500km (?)

Thaks in advance. :)

It's a long shot but you could try contacting Vin malkie I know he still owns a B19 and has lots of info on the car. Or alternatively try the book the Chevron Story by David Gordon.

Hope this helps?

That car came here to South Africa for the Springbok Series in November 1971,along with the other works car which had a Cosworth Vega engine.One of these two cars,not sure which, was bought by a local driver and stayed here.

Originally posted by swift
It's a long shot but you could try contacting Vin malkie I know he still owns a B19 and has lots of info on the car. Or alternatively try the book the Chevron Story by David Gordon.
[B]

Hope this helps?

Thanks for the suggestion. I will try that as well. :)

Originally posted by IANHEB
[B]That car came here to South Africa for the Springbok Series in November 1971,along with the other works car which had a Cosworth Vega engine.One of these two cars,not sure which, was bought by a local driver and stayed here.

If I am correct, Chassis No. 27 then went to Japan to be used for the Grand Champion series. Was it driven by Brian Redman and Mike Hailwood?

Does anybody know which one stayed in South Africa, which local driver bought it and driven by which driver at Spring bok?

According to Autosport reports, John Rowe ran an "ex-works" B19 at the Cape Town round of the Springbok series in November 1972, with a twin cam engine, but in later races, it's described as a B21. Maybe it was just updated to B21-spec.

That's the only private B19 I have in the Springbok series

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
According to Autosport reports, John Rowe ran an "ex-works" B19 at the Cape Town round of the Springbok series in November 1972, with a twin cam engine, but in later races, it's described as a B21. Maybe it was just updated to B21-spec.

That's the only private B19 I have in the Springbok series

Thanks for the info Jeremy. :)

Could someone confirm that chassis number 27 was driven by Brian Redman and Mike Hailwood in 1971?

Jeremy,
You are correct,John Rowe's car was a B19 updated/entered as a B21.I have always thought that as he used a twincam or later a BDA in this car ,it was more likely that he bought a rolling chassis after the Springbok i.e the unsuccsessful Cosworth Vega car less engine and FG gearbox.
Kojima...what were the dates of the Grand Champion series in Japan that you refer to ?
Ian

Does any one have factory lists of the chassis numbers for Chevron B19

Chevron and Lola made similar amounts of cars with the evolution models over the years 71-75

Chevron went down the tune frame route (derived from the B16 car) until the monocoque car of the B26-whilst Lola had the monocoque from 1970 210/212 car onto the 290-298 version

I dont know if this will help or not....but here is some info:

B16S-70-01 Ford FVC 1970 Gr.6 Chevron Cars (Redman) => Team Gunston ...=> Jo Siffert Automobiles Racing Ltd....=> Don Shead
B19-71-004 Ford FVC 1971 Gr.6 Worcester Racing Association Colin Pool => Richard Arnold (end 1989) Raced bby Colin Poolin historic races
B19-71-007 Ford FVC 1971 Gr.6 Red Rose Racing (J. Bridges)
B19-71-008 Ford FVC 1971 Gr.6 Red Rose Racing (John Hine)
B19-71-010 Ford FVC 1971 Gr.6 Worcestershire Racing Association (John Burton)
B19-71-011 1971 Gr.6 Kent Abrahamsson Raced by Abrahamsson in Supersports
B19-71-012 1971 Gr.6 Canon Cameras Racing (E.Swart)
B19-71-023 1971 Gr.6 Don Brooks by Brooks for sale
B19-71-034 1971 Gr.6 ~Tilmant
B19-71-070 1971 Gr.6 Jonas Qvarnström Raced by Qvarnström in Supersports
B19-71-124 1971 Gr.6 Helen Bashford Raced by Bashford in Supersports

The name Chevron came from the sign that showed two roads comming together outside of a local pub Bennett went to. the "B" in the Chassis numbers stood for Bridges for his financial contributions to the company. Also they only produced chassis numbers in multiples on 11.

Hi guys

If we're going to use the data from the Chevron page on classiccars.com (http://www.classicscars.com/chassis/grc/ChassisChevron.htm), the least we should do is credit the author. Really, we should be getting their permission or only using individual items of date - not the whole page so blatantly.

Thank you, Allen; a good spot! We must observe copyright law as well as give credit where it is due. Since we are at that point, do we have any solid information that we can add to the above info.

Hi Guys
I've been away to europe and backhence the lack of response form me!!
thanks to Zappa for info so far
I'm sure Martin K would be happy to join in the thread and give any info
I'm not sure if he follows the 10-Tenths site; maybe an mail to him and a few links will kindle his interest.

A bit of B19 stuff found in Sport Auto's report on the 1971 300 km d'Auvergne (August 1971 p63-65).

Bridges B19-71/7
Hine B19-71/8
Burton B19-71/10
Swart B19-71/12

The Chevron book says 35 B19s built, all in 1971 (so chassis 1-10, 12, 14-21, 23-32 and 34-39?). All had 1790cc engines except for one with a 2000cc Abarth and one with a 3000cc BMW Alpina.

Allen

i think swart stil has his original b19 in usa

Hi guys

If we're going to use the data from the Chevron page on classiccars.com (http://www.classicscars.com/chassis/grc/ChassisChevron.htm), the least we should do is credit the author. Really, we should be getting their permission or only using individual items of date - not the whole page so blatantly.

Allen

I have now received a reply from Rod at Classicscars who has kindly agreed that we may keep and develop the information posted in this thread which was taken from www.classicscars.com website. Please note that this permission only extends to the information already posted here.

I used to own B19-17, which I raced in 1992/3 and possibly 1994.
When I went back to racing modern cars BPR/FIA-GT the car wasn't used for some years and I sold it in april 1998 to the UK (Simon Wayne).
It had a Richardson BDG and it was a great car to drive.

My moment of glory was beating Mr. B19 (Ed Swart) at Zandvoort in the SuperSports race!

Shouldn't have sold it............

Thanks fangio

Do you recall any history of B19-17 before you had it?

Allen

Thanks fangio

Do you recall any history of B19-17 before you had it?

Allen

Not Really, but I think it was in South Africa for some time, and then the story is that Stirling Moss bought it, thinking it was a B16. I guess he got his numbers switched.
When he found out is was not a B16 Coupe he sold it and I got it from Belgium. (Gerard Burggraf)

so did SM really think a b19 was a 16 shape car or was there mis description involved??

so did SM really think a b19 was a 16 shape car or was there mis description involved??
I think he wanted a coupe (B16) but just made a mistake and thought the B19 was the coupe.
Maybe I should give SM a call and ask him about this.

chevron (http://rupert8766.fotopic.net/p4092284.html)

I saw Dave Garrnet use this on the hills in the late 70's, it was crashed in Jersey in 78 and never made it to Gursney, but made it to Val Des Terres the following year.

He was using it in 77 as well, he set the class hill record that year that remained unbroken for a couple of seasons

Not sure what type it is as the front does not seem to match any other type.

I have just received a B19 in my shop for rebuild i know that Derrick was supperstisious about the number 11 and its multiples atleast that was what i was told? But the car i have is marked b19/71 33 and its on the roll bar the chassis plate and the back right side of the chassis around the gearbox support any help with this one would be greatly appreciated BJ

The number on the back right side of the chassis would be a frame number and it is unusual for the frame number to match the chassis number. There were more frames than cars of course, as extra frames were needed to rebuild bent cars.

One possibility - and I'd emphasise that this is just a possibility - is that the car lost its chassis number at some point in its history and a replacement plate was made using the number found on the back of the frame. This means that the number on the chassis plate is very probably not the same number that would have been on the original plate and will not therefore match up against Chevron's production records.

This is quite a common problem with Lolas, Chevrons and Marchs from this period.

Allen

thanks for you feed back as i said in the first post the roll bar also has the same numbers and i walked over to my friends shop who has a B21 and looked on the car in the same places the roll bar has been upgraded to a larger bar hence no number but the back frame has am B21 72 3 and the chassis plate for the car also has the same numbers are there any coralation in the records of the frame number to car number i cant beleve that there are that many fake built cars out there thanks BJ

As you can see, I have renamed this to make it B19 specific, and will eventually merge it with the thread above, but let's see if we can get anymore info. for ClassicComp, first.

i cant beleve that there are that many fake built cars out there:rofl:

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....... The headmaster! :cool:

my coment on the number of fakes seems to be of the utmost humor to some. i have honest request for help here only to get laughed ,at im sure that there are some fake cars but with close scrutiny that most of us put vintage race cars under and the obvious wealth of knowledge that is out there to pick out the fakes that the ******s have tried to pass off as the real deal i would think that they would be getting weeded out i guess i can only ask the question is it true that there shouldnt be a car number 33 or is this a bunch of BS and if soo are all of the b19s accounted for do we know how many were built with ligit chassis plates thanks in advance for anybodys help B.J.

Classic comp,

On the thread prior to this , i.e. the B19 thread , B19-71-011 is listed , and seems to be a period number.

What history and how far back can you/the owner go in respect of previous owners , known verifyable race reports etc.etc.

Sometimes the only way to sort out these histories is to go backwards from now.
How long has the car been in the current owners hands for a start , and where did he purchase the car and from whom?

Bryan Miller.

my coment on the number of fakes seems to be of the utmost humor to some. i have honest request for help here only to get laughed ,at im sure that there are some fake cars but with close scrutiny that most of us put vintage race cars under and the obvious wealth of knowledge that is out there to pick out the fakes that the ******s have tried to pass off as the real deal i would think that they would be getting weeded out i guess i can only ask the question is it true that there shouldnt be a car number 33 or is this a bunch of BS and if soo are all of the b19s accounted for do we know how many were built with ligit chassis plates thanks in advance for anybodys help B.J.

Don't get offended, BJ; Both Steve and Allen are chassis historians with huge amounts of knowledge, and not a little experience of the 'fakes' and their humour is no more than recognition of how big the fakes issue is with some of these cars. Anyway, as you can see I've threatened to take the 'bat' to them for inappropriate archive behaviour! :laugh:

There are a lot of knowledgeable posters on this forum who can help. However, the more you can tell them about what you do know about the car, the more it helps them to know where to 'dig' for the info.

Sorry if I offeended you BJ. That certainly wasn't my intention. But there are a lot more B16s and B19s than there should be.

Allen

Just occasionally a multiple of 11 creeps into the Chevron build records. [DB must have been elsewhere at the time...] There is a B29 -22 for example [though no 11 or 33]. We shouldn't therefore be wholly sceptical about this chassis number on a B19. What's needed to diffuse that scepticism is sound provenance.

Chris

thank you im sorry that i seemed so peed off i get alot of people who think that they are being funny when trying to get answers on projects ihave been doing cars with hard to find history for like american short track cars and it can be very frustrating so im sorry i will be going in to the shop today and ill see if i can look at the car and records and see if i can post some more info thanks BJ

I'm with Allen on this one.The reference to B19-71-11 on the other thread is not from 1971 and is dubious, whereas 7,8,9,10 and 12 are all well known in period.
Arch Motors however had no such superstisions to the best of my knowledge, and would have produced frames numbered AM 71 B19 11, and 22, and 33.
A close up picture of the chassis plate and frame number would be nice .
Ian

A close up picture of the chassis plate and frame number would be nice .Good point Ian. Those two pictures would tell us a great deal.

i am working on the photos and i will also have a photo of the original log book info BJ

I purchased "B19/1" from Corrado Cuppellini in Bergamo, Italy with a FVA in 1988 ot 1989. It had been used in Italian hillclimbs. I don't recall it having a a chassis plate but appeared to have been well used at the time. We restored the car and I raced it successfully. In the mid-1990's it was sold to Mark Leonard in the mid-1990's who sold it on. I do not know where it went.

I also bought another B19, Chassis number???? (I have to look to see what I can find in my files) in late 1980's from Monza, Italy. It was sold to another racer by the name of Kopf.

I also know a bit more about B16S which bodywork was separated from the original chassis and another chassis was made and sold for this car. The original B16SW was sold by Chevron Cars, U.S.A. from my old friend Dick Leppla in Cleveland to a well-known collector and racer of that day, Joel Finn. I am not sure what happened to B16S after that. There was not the interest in those cars quite yet. I have owned two B16's, two B19's, two B-27's and maybe another Chevron, but retain only B16/DBE07.

Best wishes for the New Year,

Monte Shalett, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

BJ, got any info. together, yet?

Greetings,

The Chevron Chasis information posted on this site has a few omissions I would like to get added.
I purchased chassis 10A from Dick Leppla about 5 years ago. What a character! He was 76 at the time and had repurchased the car from Mike Amalfitano who owned and restored it. Dick wanted to go racing again, but after a few laps (spins!!) he said it was too uncomfortable.

At the 40th reunion in California, I met with Ed Swartz who informed me that 10A was his former Canon car! he had lost track of it until that day. Ed said Derrick didn't make a number 11 because he was superstitious, and used 10A instead.
That leaves chassis number 11 questionable, and ED Swartz number 12 as possibly incorrect.

Ed will verify this. His email address is:edswart@hsr-westracing.com.
I have FIA papers and picture documenting B19 10A.
How do I get this information to the person keeping the registry?
Does anyone have additional information on chassis 10A?

Thank you,

Jeff McKay- Seattle, WA

The only public registry is this thread. So the answer to "How do I get this information to the person keeping the registry" is that you've already done it!

Allen

Thank you for the reply, Allen.

The reference : "Chevron Chassis Numbers" that is referred in this thread is available to all on the internet. As the only available Chevron reference showing chassis numbers, it should be corrected.
Will some one be doing that?
I have also owned B34-24, and B39?? former Rosberg car. Both were sold to UK owners a few years ago, and are currently racing there.

I appreciate your assistance getting B19 10A recognized.

Jeff

Oh, that page. The man you need to talk to is Philippe Olczyk. He posts on the Chassis Archive on various subjects. He acquired that content from Martin Krejci a few years ago and I'm not sure if it's being actively maintained.

Perhaps I can add some information to the chassis number puzzle.
I own Chevron 71 B19 10A. Purchased from Dick Leppla, former Chevron Chevron Dealer in the US. The car was owned and raced by Mike Amalfitano of Amalfi racing- N.H., USA.
The car has period original FIA papers.
Ed Swart at the US Chevron 40th reunion declared that this ( 10A) was HIS original Canon car. He had lost track of it until our meeting. Ed also confirmed that there was no 11 car as David Gordon writes ( pg 37) in "The Derek Bennett Story".
The Chevron Chassis number accounting ( the only one I have found on the internet) thus far has not recognized 10A and has mistakenly reported #11 and #12 histories.
I will be happy to produce the FIA papers and get MR. Swart to confirm the above if it will be helpful in maintaining the proper registry....who is maintaining it?

respectfully,

Jeff McKay
Seattle, USA

Hi Jeff

Thanks for the information on your car. I'm not sure if anyone is actively building a proper register of these cars as it's a lot of work and will open many cans of worms. Maintaining a list of owners' claims is one thing, actually figuring out which cars are real is quite another.

I would be interested in building and maintaining a list of original cars and taking their ownership as far as possible into the 1970s. If some of those cars proved to have continuous provable histories right up the the present day then so much the better.

Allen

Allen,

Thanks for your reply. Yes, being in charge of the chassis list would definitely be a thankless and frustrating job.
I received an email from Ed Swart today stating that his B19 number is 25.
he also states thatthere is another #25 in Europe, but Ed has supporting documentation.
I shipped a b34 and a B39 with provenance to the UK 2 years ago- returning to the homeland!

All the best,

Jeff

I read in AS that the car makers are looking to do a list of chassis for the FIA along with heritage papers so perhaps the task will fall onto the FIA to maintain chaiss # details

the 2 chevrons you sold to Uk guys
b39 is actively racing with i think sandy watson the other ( b34) has raced 2 or 3 time sonly

driftwood,

Thank you for the update. The B39 was sold to John Bradshaw and the B34 to James Gowens, although the cars could have changed hands since then.
I would love to have both back.

Jeff

I remember being offered these 2 cars from way down in the Texas area needing rebuilding about 5 years ago
JB sold car to sandy ive not seen Jim out since oct 05

I know I'm putting my head above the parapet here but any of you are welcome to contact me Helen Bashford-Malkie at Chevron.

We do have quite an extensive archive we've quietly been building up for 20 years, cataloguing every published race result for a Chevron, apart from all the chassis info, photographs, taped interviews, contacts with past & present drivers owners. We still have 5 of the original employees of the Bolton Factory even going back to Salford either working directly or indirectly for the company. Eventually when I have the space we will have an archive room, people will be able to visit, our aim is to try & end up with a file on virtually every car with original photographs etc. As you can imagine it is a huge and on going task.

Unfortunately, through past experience we have had to be very cautious about just handing out information as it has been somewhat mishandled. However, as time moves on and the more spurious cars being reasonably well documented I may feel more confident in publishing the information but until that time will continue to help with information on a one to one basis. As you can imagine this is a time consuming & not profitable part of our business, I think we get on average 2 calls per day about the history of cars. We try to do our best & I now have apart time Archivist who has started to help too.

My working day running the Raceshop, Heritage Parts Manufacture, Marketing & Merchandise & New Road Car & genral Chevron technical advise etc., etc., doesn't leave as much time as I would like to devote to the Archive but we are getting there slowly. My e mail is helen@chevronracing.com

I recently acquired a 71' Chevron B-19 chassis #10a - If anyone has color photos of this car ( former Cannon Car) or interesting history, I would be very grateful.
Cheers!

Hello!
I recently acquired a 71' Chevron B-19 chassis #10a - If anyone has color photos of this car ( former Cannon Car) or interesting history, I would be very grateful.

Cheers!

i guess 10 is is really chassis 11 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think there are 2 cannon cars
1 was ed swartz other was John Burton or hine?

Not sure? I have photos of it as the Cannon Car ( in black & white ). I am going to drop Ed Swart a note to see what he has. The FIA paper document the car as 10a and the chassis plate reads 10.

where did the car come from?

In the papers I have there are letters from Swart talking about racing this car. I know it was a Cannon car, as you said I am not sure if there was just one or two? I am trying to get colors photos as I would like to bring it back to its original livery.
Thanks :)

I bought it from Jeff McKay in the US, he had owned it for around 9 years. Jeff bought it from a Dick Leppla.

My understanding is that 10a has a long history and is a genuine car. However, there was also another car called 10 in period so this one has always been called 10a.

is 10A to be car "11" then??

im not sure if Ed still has his car he sold his T400 lola to uk 4 years ago

Thanks for the reply -
Where should I look for more information and/or photos. I am waiting to hear back from Ed Swart on what he has, but my guess is someone / somewhere in UK/ Europe may have more info.

Regards

i have some period B19 fotos i bough from ebay seller of Italain team cars on targa florio
do u have the french book on the euro 2 litre racing 1 or 2 fotos there
ed swarts is dutch he was in charge of cannon budget he raced cars then and when he moved to usa he took his own car and had it in Ca ever since

who did Lepla get the car from?

You might ask Mark Leonard at Grand Prix Classics in La Jolla. He is familiar with these. I saw that car on Ebay I thought about it and would even sell my Can Am Car for a B19, have fun with it, they are great cars.

Nick

Nick- thanks, I actually met Mark a few months ago at his place...he has some really nice cars in there.:) I will drop him a note as well

I found this page on the web http://racehistorie.nl/swart/swartchevron_m.htm . It has pictures of both the Cannon cars as others, though not sure which is which. from some of the photos I have I think it's #14?

Interesting site and fotos
have you spoken with ed yet?

Jorgen

Before you go too far down the wrong path, I'm not at all sure that 10a is the Canon car. Wasn't 10 the Canon car?

Allen

can we establish 3 facts
1 a list of cars built new and delivered to?
2 is 10A either a replacment car for #10 or is it the Derek bennet car 11 suppositious thing
3 a line of ownership on this car

can we establish 3 facts
1 a list of cars built new and delivered to?
2 is 10A either a replacment car for #10 or is it the Derek bennet car 11 suppositious thing
3 a line of ownership on this car
1. :rofl:
2. neither
3. possibly

I am pretty sure there were two Cannon Cars ( as in the photos ) and there is a letter from Ed Swart talking about his time racing this car. I should hear back from Ed Tues or Wends. I am traveling today, but when I get back mid week I am also going to go back through all of the papers and FIA docs in detail.
In the meantime, it is fun researching all of this. I also have an historic 1965 Corvette Roadster that I tracked back to the day it was purchased and first raced in 1967:)

By the way- Thanks everyone for all your input...This is a great forum, I am glad I found it!

Beers on you then?!

I am still waiting to hear from Ed Swart ( his HSR West site is down?). But I did go through the stack of papers and there is a letter from Ed about this car ( B19-10a) and in it he states;

" The B19-10A was my first car that was first in the Cannon colors and for the S.African Springbok series it was the same car but painted yellow/purple for the Wynn's sponsorhip. After the Springbok races, it was shipped back to Holland and I sold it to a guy in England" Ed Swart- March 6 , 2006

I also found a few names of previous owners
Ed Swart
Jeff Mckay (most recent)
Richard Leppla
Amaliftano

could do with some english names that will close down things greatly

I am working on getting more. I still have not heard back from Ed and the HSR-West site is still down?

Ed Swart
E-mail Address(es):
hsr-west@usa.net

Driftwood- Thanks I will try that one as well.

Just to add a few things..

Here is what is according to the driver (Alain Schlesinguer) the #12 car, the "original" Canon car, which was entered during the CER race at Silverstone on September 14th.

Interestingly, it seems that even the sponsor name is not clear to everybody. Ed Swart writes Cannon with two n's which was actually a movie distributor in Holland in the seventies and eighties, until it went massively broke. I suppose the true sponsor is indeed Canon with one n, still supplying us with the equipment that a.o. gave me the opportunity to make this shot:)

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chevronb19121spj3.jpg

Looks like the right period livery with one "n", according to period photographs I have seen.

Looks like the right period livery with one "n", according to period photographs I have seen.

That's what I thought, and somewhere in my archives (which I unfortunately will not be able to access for about three weeks from now) I also have a shot of the car at the event at Zandvoort that Fangio mentions in the beginning of the this thread...

Ok so I went back and looked at Ed Swarts B19 History site and it shows the Canon(s) with 1 N ? see http://racehistorie.nl/swart/swartchevron_m.htm

Ok so I went back and looked at Ed Swarts B19 History site and it shows the Canon(s) with 1 N ? see http://racehistorie.nl/swart/swartchevron_m.htm

very interesting link, not only as it solves the spelling riddle for ever (please take note Mr. Swart;) ) but further down there is a picture (underneath Swart's complaint that he is under-appreciated in Holland) which clearly shows two B19s in Canon livery.....so is the other #12?
As a side question, what was the chassis number of the Canon B16?

According the info I have, 10a is the first b19 to be painted in canon colors and then later painted in the Wynns color ( purple /yellow - though I have no color photos in this livery) for the So african race where he co-drove with Jody Sheckter...

go onto ebay type in chevron b19 b 21 u will find models of the cars for sale scaletrix models made by Fly?
i have bought half the grid they sell and i have some doubles where i stupidly bought the the same model twice!!
I dont think i have the canon car yet

Here is a bit more I what I have learned;

Pre 84- ? a note reference Worchester racing?

1984- Dick Leppala bought and imported into USA directly from Derek Bennett at Chevron. ( at this time Leppala imported every Chevron in the country) and sold it to Micheal Amalfitano in New Hampshire USA. During the time Michael owned the B19 he outfitted it with a Millington 2.5 liter ( @ 340 hp) and ran against other exotics like 908’s , 902’s –
*In 1989 the car went through a complete restoration and reveived FIA papers documenting the car

June 12,2001 – Micheal Amalfitano (New Hampshire, USA) sold it back to Dick Leppla ( Ohio , USA). Due to health reasons Dick sold the car and retired from racing.

November 19th,2002 – Dick Leppala sold to Jeff McKay ( Washington USA). Jeff Purchased a new and correct Cosworth BDG motor from Dave Vegher (Veloce Motors West), though not in car.

September , 2007 – Jeff Mckay sold to Jorgen Moller ( aka “me”:) ) Utah, USA)


Note from Roger Andreason in regards to the “Chassis #10” confusion 12/12/02

“ …unfortunately all records from the mid 80’s relating to work done on Chevron cars by the business were destroyed in a flood some years ago. As I recall the car was successfully raced in the UK for some time.
There is always a complication with Chevron chassis numbers because there is also a number stamped on the rear corner of the frame that many people regard as the chassis number. It may or may not be the same as the number, this is because the frames were not turned into cars in exactly the order as the frames were made by the sub contractor. There were actually ‘three’ #10 cars recorded in the original records, two #10’s and #10a. you are correct that one of the three #10’s was sold to Worschester racing ( Burton ) …

The BDG; new it may be, correct it aint!

John Burton's team was Worcestershire Racing Association and the name of the dealer/collector is Dick Leppla in Cleveland, OH. Derek Bennett died in March 1978 so it's hard to see how he sold a car to Dick in 1984.

Chassis number B19-71/10 is recorded in period - for example Sport Auto magazine August 1971 p63-65 - as being the car of Burton and WRA but there is nothing here to establish that your car was Burton's car.

Some B19s were built in the early 1980s as they were then eligible for the HSCC Atlantic Computers Historic GT Championship and also for Thundersports. Chevron had been sold a couple of times by 1984 and was then owed by Roger Andreason and a lot of their work then came from maintaining and supplying the B8s, B16s and B19s in historic racing. That might be who Dick bought your B19 from.

Chevron cars sold by the Bennet sisters to Messrs Smith and Jacobsen then sold to Roger A who as we know over in Uk was the longest owner of Chevron Cars and more than likely "touched" most cars in the 80`s or supplied parts to owners/prep shops as they where being rebuilt/restored for Historic racing

BDG not being correct motor fitted in period ( ie 1971!) to a B19 is in fact a true and correct statement as pointed out by my wise & learned friend Mr H but it was available in 1972 and it is probably the most utilised engine since then in a B19/21 cars
Over time people percieve the BDG to be a "correct" motor for the cars

With the void from pre 1984 that gap needs to be filled in to create a line of continous owners/history to verify the cars true Identity
I recall some adverts in Autsoport circa 73 74 for B19 cars for sale either from the owners/teams or Bob Howlings
perhaps some light can be shed by dredgeing these magazines

Simon-
When I said "Correct", I was refering to the rules here to run in 2 Liter vintage class with other Chevrons, Lola's etc...Oops!:rotate:

Allen- I am reading off of some very old hand written notes with dates scattered throughout ( like a puzzle) I am confident Dick did buy the car directly from Chevron in UK as there are other very old faxes talking of the car. I drop Michael Amalifa a note to see if he can shed some light?

Bear with me...I am a rookie to the history on these cars...but I am enjoying learning and certainly driving:rotate: :rotate:

what fax number do you have on the chevron faxes?

Driftwood- Thanks for your help . I have some of the copied documents here in my home for reference, but I have the originals at my office ( fire proof cabinet)

I will go through the original faxes when I am there. Some are very faded due to the old style carbon fax papers. I do have a bunch of original letters and sketches from Collin Bennett that must have been faxed.
Some of the faxes are a bit faded and/or only have the number going in one direction. There are later ones as well from Collin Bennett ( at Amalfi Racing Legends in USA going to Helen in UK).

here are a few that I can read and mostly from Amalfi Racing / Collin Bennet
0565 7774333 - I think this is the same as today?

0565 85433 Not sure if complete number?

There is one letter to a Mr. D. Linton, Company Secretary of Derek Bennett Engineering Ltd. on Chorley Old Road , Bolton BL1 3AS Lancs , England 5/18/71 about some testing.

The original FIA documentation is from 6-12-89

Colin Bennet is now back in the UK after Amalfi racing was closed down
he was always base din the north of england near Oulton park when he ran his race shop
the 0565 std code is now 01565 these towns are the north of england in oulton park area Chevron cars in Bolton is a bit further north
Arley (Northwich) 01565
Bucklow Hill 01565
Knutsford 01565
Lower Peover 01565
Mobberley 01565
Pickmere 01565

If you had faxes from Andreason Chevron the code would be 0962 Winchester
this is near Southampton on the south coast of england

what about this car ? any colour pictures ?

http://forums.motorlegend.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18951&page=103

need the foto or direct page all i see is the whole thread all 103 pages!

need the foto or direct page all i see is the whole thread all 103 pages!

Try this link Drifty:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/452/chevronb19steinmetzwebot6.jpg

:photo:

This might be useful.

Autosport 3 Mar 1983 p61: Charles Agg advertises a Chevron B19 as "Yes it's another one but this is the car driven by John Watson and Emerson Fittipaldi. Also driven by Pete Smith who won the two litre Can-Am Championship".

I have no note of either Watson or Fittipaldi ever driving either a Chevron B19 or a DART entry but S. Peter Smith did compete in the 2-litre class of the second Can-Am in 1977 and 1978 in a Chevron B19 or Chevron B19/21 with Red Roof Inns sponsorship. He won his class more often than not in 1978.

It was white, in case that helps work out who raced it in 1983.

Allen

Can anyone help? I have a Chevron B19 and am looking for Chevron stickers/decals as well as period correct sponsor stickers such as Shell, Ford, Cosworth and so forth. The vinyl ones are ok.

Many thanks.

suggest u go to kinko type shop and get them scanned and re made highly unlikely the old stickers today will be sticky to fit to the car

There is a website I vaguely recall that does sell replica stickers. Try http://www.oldracingcars.com/services/stickers/

At just over 6"4" and 225 lbs I can not get myself properly fitted in my pride and joy and I refuse to modify the chassis or tub on this beautiful machine to do so. So it's off to Ebay...:rotate: :rotate:
Ebaymotors.com Item Number 230247814192 ( should be up within a few hours. ) is Currently in the US, but have the ability to pack for worldwide shipment

my email racedeck@gmail.com

Sorry that you have to sell this lovely car, Jorgen, but the only way I can leave this advertisement in is by moving it to the Chassis History archive, where the info. has some relevance.

No problem John, thanks for doing that. I am really unhappy to sell, I tried everything I could with the pedals and the bead seat with no avail ( I also have a gorilla size foot - 12 us :laugh: You would think they built these cars for little guys or something, I should have been a football player :laugh:

I have no note of either Watson or Fittipaldi ever driving either a Chevron B19 or a DART entry[quote allenbrown]
You are probably correct. Memory might be adrift as usual, but had Dart not disappeared from the scene by this time? The team had folded and in August/September 71? Dave Wilson went back to the works, in that I am sure.

I RECALL SEEING DART CARS FOR SALE IN AS CANT RECALL IF IT WAS 71 72 OR 73 AS ADVERT
i guess its time to flick thru the mags again

Didn't DART link up with GRD from late 72 thru' 73?

Colin Bennet is now back in the UK after Amalfi racing was closed down
he was always base din the north of england near Oulton park when he ran his race shop
the 0565 std code is now 01565 these towns are the north of england in oulton park area Chevron cars in Bolton is a bit further north
Arley (Northwich) 01565
Bucklow Hill 01565
Knutsford 01565
Lower Peover 01565
Mobberley 01565
Pickmere 01565

If you had faxes from Andreason Chevron the code would be 0962 Winchester
this is near Southampton on the south coast of england
Hi guys - all help gratefully received. Just purchased completely dismantled B19 project believed to be chassis 10 - I( know there are several of these extant). The body work has Amalfi Racing stickers all over it. Any help in identifying this chassis would be great. The rumour is that it is one of the two Wocestershire Racing cars - which seems feasible if hard to prove. It has an odd chassis configuration with a kinked cross member bearing the sterring rack anyone know if this might help to identify the chassis?

I looked at the project last year, did my research, and walked away from it as it is not a car that you can fit an ID to. It is all the old parts from the original car that was completely restored with new parts 20 years ago. The car's identity is now on new running gear in USA with papers. Yes, I can argue that it is the original Chevron chassis etc, etc, but the continuation car is up and running and is for sale.

Let's say an original car is racing today and is shunted: body chassis is beyond economical repair and you order new parts to rebuild car, fit the chassis plate and turn up to race. Then someone buys the pile of broken parts from you and spends 18 months fixing the bent chassis WITH Chevron stamp on it, buys all the other parts - engine, gearbox, uprights and then rolls it down the pitlane with the chassis plate on it as per your rebuilt car. Who has the real car??-you or him?

You do, because it is the original car with some of the parts rebuilt and you had proof of ownership before it was crashed and rebuilt. The other car has no ID and is just a "copy" and that is exactly the position you're in now!!!

You may as well have gone to Vin and ordered a new "continuation" car and had a plate added with the next sequance of numbers in the build programme.

As a note:
a) some of the B19`s in the number count of cars built are B16`s modified or upgraded
b) some of the B21 cars in the number count are B19`s upgraded
c) some of the B23 cars in the number count are B19 cum 21 cars upgraded and it seems most were never plated up as the newer model and Chevron do not appear to have built as many cars as they say they did.

Sadly, there are more Chevron B19-23 cars around today than were built in period. I can point out 2, poss 3, in the pitlane at races that have no traceable history from 71-87 and 1 or 2 cars totally destroyed/written off, yet are now miraculously alive and racing.

Well known saying " Buyer beware". If you want the genuine article, do the research. If you're not that fussy, good luck

In the papers I have there are letters from Swart talking about racing this car. I know it was a Cannon car, as you said I am not sure if there was just one or two? I am trying to get colors photos as I would like to bring it back to its original livery.
Thanks :)

You have probably already sort ted this but I have seen some old autosports November 1971 with a Canon car on the front cover i think it is South Africa. You can search of ebay to see if it still for sale.

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the new Chevronheritage.com website.
This has been created by a couple of owners to try to create a central resource for Chevron cars with a view to keeping an eye on the plate numbers. Equally surprising is the fact that so few people have registered their cars. It is a good site built by Gerald Swan (Lola heritage fame).
It would be a great resource if only people would populate it with their cars and they only charge £25!

why pay for a site when 10 10 TNF is free for info
1 reason why cars are not posted is half are not real cars with period history and continuous unadulterated line of ownership

Driftwood, all the more reason for those of us with cars that we consider are the "real" thing to post their history. The more cars that are publicly identified should reduce the "new fiddlers" from entering the fray.
My comments in no way reduce the great value and resource that 10 10 offers.
Thanks

My concern with the Lola and Chevron heritage sites - and I have expressed this to Gerald - is that they take an owner's claim and publish it without checking and even without comment. That gives the impression the claim has Chevron's or Lola's backing and I believe this is going to cause all sorts of problems in the future.

But I do like the idea of charging for for this - I might have to consider that :)

Allen

I agree completely with Allen's comments above. It is the "golden glow" provided by these sites, unchecked, unsupported and unquestioned that I feel achieves the exact opposite of their stated aims....

i too support the 2 fonts of knewledeg in their comments i agree
i have already challenged t290 car info on the site and asked if they had verified it
the response was they trust the onwers views and it is for me to prove the hard evidence i am right onwer is wrong
as far as i am concrened the owner is more often than not wrong brainwashed by BS on the sellers part or often even wanting to "dupe" the world in beliveing their own BS
Mr W i can stand next to yr "mates" chevron and dispute its history as a fairytale
chevropns are aclassic eaxmaple of fabricatoion on cars historuy
Lola cars i beleive are sound
Marches are traceable and debates with race fans spotting cars at circuits autosport ads for sale race results photos and even talking with the owners from days gone by soon sort out the cars but im afraid B16 19 21 car history stories i wear my special plastic mack to save my clothes from the brown smelly stuff that is often spouted by owners
you cannot knock allen and ORC site as he goes into anal details to verify cars histories and he would be an ideal "expert" witness in a court case
1 benefit of these "heritage" sites is that it does draw out some info on real cars show up the Iffy cars and the owners with a sows ear of acar willNOT post info on their cars so again we get to know the pig in a poke
Sadly basement max has ballsed up teh FIA papers now we have fakes or replicas/continuation cars ase the BS merchants profess racing with papers and wanting the big bucks

If the Mona Lisa is worth £5 mill why would u pay £4.95 mill for a good copy!
well thats what is happening in the b16 19/21 world and heritage sites are giving the impression that all is good if it is on their site
Im off to make 2 more B19 cars just need to pick a number between 1 and 45 to stamp on the plates maybe i should use 22 33 or 44?

I'm off to make 2 more B19 cars just need to pick a number between 1 and 45 to stamp on the plates maybe i should use 22 33 or 44?

Great idea Drifty; at least there would be no irate owners popping up in a couple of years! May I suggest that once you have the chassis finished you leave them outside over the Winter to develop a nice patina prior to finishing off. Likewise once you have stamped up your chassis plates cover in grease and floor sweeping leaving again for a couple of months before cleaning with an oily rag!

Sorry to give away the trade secrets! :doh:

kicking plates around workshop floor as we speak to create the "period" feel of an old race car plate having been polished for years:nyah2:
now to create some "history" for the car in the Sudam sports car series and the Bogota 13 hour endurance race with emerson rodrigues wilson hernandez and pedro and ricardo fittipaldi

my only dilema is do i tig or use brazing rods to weld the Reynolds T45 tubes together

Ouch! Wish I hadn't mentioned it!

I agree with all your comments BUT, I can only speak for myself, I made extensive enquiries and have many original documents (wagenpass etc) to support my cars provenance. Does it guarantee their history, no, but I will stand up and be judged on what I do have. To just put a car on these sites and expect tacit approval would be rather naive but please tell me where we start if not here?

Whenever I have bought my race cars I bought them because I liked them and wanted to race them. They always seemed expensive at the time and were not considered an investment (ask my wife if you are in any doubt!).

I am not a trader, car preparer or manufacture just an enthusiastic owner/driver who would like to drive my Mona Lisa in suitable company not against new tight chassis with a plate as you describe.

As I say, I think that these heritage sites are potentially a good check and balance and if not in such forms, where do you start?

I have some Fred Opert Racing letterhead you can use if you want to go for a car that raced in Wisconsin SCCA Regionals for a couple of years. And I think there were blank SCCA Log Books available on ebay a while ago. And I have the pattern for those nice little brass tags that were fixed to SCCA cars in 1972 which would look just right on your B19. And will you need a list of deceased obscure SCCA club regulars who just might have had a B19 at some time.

Am I getting cynical in my old age?

Hi Delbert - I wasn't aiming that at you by the way.

Forgot to say - given the substantial reduction in grids this year. There must be plenty of original cars sat in garages not being raced so why build some new ones to not race?!

Allen
No offence taken.
I have enjoyed the challenge of digging into the history and to try to put the cars back to their original livery. It is nice when people come up to you at race meetings and say "I remember seeing this car at XYZ meeting etc"
Gives one the opportunity to call people like John Lepp and chat, which again is rather good fun!

I would be really interested in considered opinions of how this extensive issue could be improved

Allen please supply a shovel when you want to have a dig at folk- my shovel has broken - too much use i fear!

Yes Delbert where are all the real cars? i suspect half are racing and the rest are sitting in museums and garages in some foreign land where the owner has retired from racing and is out of the loop hence the car is "forgotten" and is only sold when a racer "stumbles" across the car
However the high ( over inflated in many cases) value of the cars deters many guys from buying them and it becomes a bit "elitest"

The sale of the RB collection liberated many cars ( still not sure of we have been beneficial of this to see cars race again or lost the chance to see them all in 1 place?) but i am appalled at the notion of new cars being built and allowed to race borders on fraudulance

As I say, I think that these heritage sites are potentially a good check and balance and if not in such forms, where do you start?

Here, of course. It's why we created this forum - as a research tool!

Am I getting cynical in my old age?

Yes ..... like the rest of us!

- my shovel has broken - too much use i fear!

Hmmm ..... you've broken several, I'd say! Drifty you have much to say which is useful; I just wish that you'd take a little more care over the way you present it! I guess you are used to me editing your posts by now, so that we can all understand them! :laugh:

Seriously, I thought I'd post this to show that I am still watching and interested. I think that this forum has filled a gaping hole and will continue to enable info to be gathered in order to feed into sites like Allen's. Both he and Simon are right about these heritage sites. They need to ensure that what is being claimed for the histories of the cars that are registered with them is accurate, otherwise they will be providing a seal of approval to cars of dubious heritage and ultimately be tainted by that. Perhaps they should seek verification from my worthy and knowledgeable colleagues by posting on here! ;)

Perhaps they should seek verification from my worthy and knowledgeable colleagues by posting on here! ;)

Glad to see the Headmaster is keeping a watchful eye on us all! :unworthy:

I would agree with John's sentiment above however I suspect that it actually pays NOT to research a car's History too much in case it ends up being the unused spare!

it is not that difficult to do car research
1 check car for its idnetitiy on plate gearbox number and any chassi stamps
2 ask for list of all owners drivers
3 look up race results in books autosport (adverts for sale are useful) etc here you find snippets on car at races crashing bursting into flames and melting or being sold to a name on the list of owners
4 collect period photos of the car see the different drivers body changes etc

5 then discuss car with the folk in " the know" as this is where you will get confirmation or derision on the car or the Jackonory tale given with it
6 contact all known owners or mechanics associated with the car to substantiate it all- mechanics often give the tell tale truth about the cars!

I am clearly out of my depth on this topic but for what it is worth:

I am not sure how long this site has been going but I assume long enough to know whether it has successfully established itself as the FOAK on such matters.

I have to say I still favour any and all chassis's being disclosed publicly - with a disclaimer stating that the info has not been verified etc etc. Atleast with all the chassis's on view people can then narrow their search and chase the "baddies".
Surely better that than many many fakes being built and slipping in unseen in later years. If you create a site that only has verified cars I suspect you are right, that there will be even fewer taking up the challenge

This site doesn't pretend to be the FOAK on all things but probably has established itself the best place to bring together the information that we have and put it in the public domain.

Structuring the information and presenting it back in an easily digestible form is not so easy using forum software so 10 Tenths is something augmented by web pages such as OldRacingcars.com's Brabham BT36 page (http://www.oldracingcars.info/marques/brabham/bt36). ORC focuses on original research of its own such as this Chevron B24 page (http://www.oldracingcars.com/f5000/chevron/b24.htm) which is the sort of page that really does sort the wheat from the chaff. One day, ORC will do Chevron B19s too but I doubt it will be one day soon.

Allen

Allen
When you do decide to make an ascent on the B19 mountain please let me know I would be happy to help with documentation.

Allen
When you do decide to make an ascent on the B19 mountain please let me know I would be happy to help with documentation.

you may also want to assist him with an oxygen bottke, given the height of that mountain;)

some of the B19 cars built where B16 cars converted up
then chevron built some b19 cars later some of these get made into b21 later b23
if u add up the number of B19 21 23 cars built take the total and divide by 2 you will have a figure closer to the real number of cars that existed in 71-73

I am not going to quote a chassis number here and say its a total fake but Mr W you park next to 1 each month please ask for a list of every owner and you will find a HUGE hole!
your cars are not in doubt as we can trace them over the years- i have a foto of yr 19 parked in 1982-3 in thundersports or hscc paddock
the trail goes backwards easily to 71/2 and can roll forward thru the 80-90`s the 00`s to usa and back
how many others can do this? you will be surprised at how many
so why should yr car and a new car sit side by side with same price tag on the windscreen or even be allowed to race in a period livery it clearly never wore!new cars should not be allowed to do this but sadly basement max screwed us all over with HTP