Born Racer 24 Jul 2006, 00:55 ..How many people who watch the channel wish to see Steam Train Classics? Okay, they have engines, but err, I'm not sure how it's relevant to the station. Fortunately the other night the Le Mans classics were on instead.
There is also that guy who does the voiceover for their adverts and some of their highlights/clips programmes with his highly irritatingly consistent manner of talking, whereby his intonation rises and falls consistently on EVERY sentence. Imagine him having a conversation with you in real life and speaking like that. It would sound ridiculous. In fact it sounds ridiculous as it is on TV.
Also, what's with the conspiracy to grab the audience's attention during the commercials by having them about a 1/3 of the volume louder. Whilst watching Motors TV in a quiet house last night I had to have my finger by the remote control ready to crank it down before the ads came on.
Peter Mallett 24 Jul 2006, 07:56 I can't get Motors TV. :(
Bluebottle 24 Jul 2006, 09:36 Motors TV isn't the only channel to show 'off topic' stuff- have a look at the listings for Discovery Wings!
The ad volume is a problem with lots of channels, no idea why.
Actually they take their title literally-anything with a motor.I have a doc on the history of french women pilots taped,and power boats are also well covered.All stuff I am interested in. Chinese steam trains -wonderful! I would rather not see stuff about road cars.
AdamAshmore 24 Jul 2006, 10:15 Steam Classic. They can afford to show this at the times they do. If they didn't it would only be another repeat of a race I've already seen.
TV advert. Conspiracy? Nah, standard annoying practice of all channels.
Admin note, one for armchair...
Truckosaurus 24 Jul 2006, 10:20 I, for one, am grateful for Motors' coverage of locomotives, as other wise I'd never leave the house. :)
Peter Mallett 24 Jul 2006, 10:37 Already noted Adam.
Rockmunky 24 Jul 2006, 10:44 I never watch Steam trains or anything like that, it just doesn't interest me, so i go off and do something productive, like post on 10/10 ;)
John Turner 24 Jul 2006, 16:51 I love old steam locos, so am quite happy that they get a bit of exposure on Motors TV.
falcemob 24 Jul 2006, 18:03 ..How many people who watch the channel wish to see Steam Train Classics?
I do for one, I quite like trains, especially steam trains. They also showed this one (I think) on Discovery Wings or something similar last week.
Knowlesy 24 Jul 2006, 20:42 Trains are tedious, there is simply no overtaking. ;)
Not everything on Motors TV can appeal to everyone! There are different people with different tastes!
What it does mean is it gives me time to get away from the television. I dread to think how the schedule will look in five years on Mototrs, as it just keeps growing! The Le Mans coverage was the most awesome thing ever!
As for the adverts, yes they are a bit loud. I tend to crank the volume up for motorsport (depending on commentary team) so it really does annoy me when the ads come on and eardrums burst. Still, it is not life threatening.
John Turner 24 Jul 2006, 21:03 Trains are tedious, there is simply no overtaking. ;)
Bit like F1 then; even more so when a goods is shunted into a siding (the pits!) to let the express through (the overtaking)! :D
Knowlesy 24 Jul 2006, 21:07 Jesus, it's uncanny! ;)
Also, what's with the conspiracy to grab the audience's attention during the commercials by having them about a 1/3 of the volume louder. Whilst watching Motors TV in a quiet house last night I had to have my finger by the remote control ready to crank it down before the ads came on.
Er, as you yourself said, it is to grab the attention of the audience/others who may be about but not watching the tv programme.
The ad volume is a problem with lots of channels, no idea why.
See above.
TV advert. Conspiracy? Nah, standard annoying practice of all channels.
Just because it is standard does not mean it is not a conspiracy. Although it is the common meaning, a conspiracy does not necessarily have to involve illegality.
The multiple companies/owners/directors/managers/advisors/consultants, whatever and whoever is involved, plan, then enact, ways to get your attention, and, hopefully, alter your perceptions and actions.
It is a conspiracy to get your mind and your money.
AdamAshmore 25 Jul 2006, 09:36 They turn the volume up so that you pay more attention to the advert. Why is that a conspiracy? It is just a marketing ploy. You mention the legal side which is generally what it is used for. It isn't illegal, should be, but isn't. Is it a secret agreement between more than one person? Not really. It is standard practice. It isn't secret because it is loud.
It is a little like saying advertisements are a conspiracy to get you to buy things! Or getting in you car is a conspiracy to drive somewhere.
It is blummin' annoying, but not really conspiracy, just method. A little unscrupulous maybe.
What they should do is say that the maximum volume of the advertisements has to be within 10% of the maximum volume of the program. ;) :laugh:
Anyway I'm off to turn the kettle on and conspire to make a cup of tea. Technically right, but I am simply just making a cup of tea.
johnh875 25 Jul 2006, 13:48 Trains are tedious, there is simply no overtaking. ;)
Reminds me of the time a few years ago when a highly intelligent person who perhaps hadn't thought through his plan fully hijacked one of our trams...
Mark Mitchell 26 Jul 2006, 19:32 They turn the volume up so that you pay more attention to the advert. Why is that a conspiracy? It is just a marketing ploy. You mention the legal side which is generally what it is used for. It isn't illegal, should be, but isn't. Is it a secret agreement between more than one person? Not really. It is standard practice. It isn't secret because it is loud.
It is a little like saying advertisements are a conspiracy to get you to buy things! Or getting in you car is a conspiracy to drive somewhere.
It is blummin' annoying, but not really conspiracy, just method. A little unscrupulous maybe.
What they should do is say that the maximum volume of the advertisements has to be within 10% of the maximum volume of the program. ;) :laugh:
Anyway I'm off to turn the kettle on and conspire to make a cup of tea. Technically right, but I am simply just making a cup of tea.
Sorry! All a load of ********!
Motors TV features very poorly produced programming in the main.
Commercials are not made or produced by them - half the programmes aren't either.
The problem of volume differential is purely and simply down to the incompetency of the production team.
Most audio from different sources comes in at various levels and needs to be "Pre-faded" prior to Transmission and the levels set at the correct "Volume".
This just isn't being done - resulting in loud bits and quieter bits.
Motors TV generally is very loud in comparison to most other channels.
Peter Mallett 26 Jul 2006, 20:52 Mark,
No need for the over reaction. Adam is quite right in that ads are normally louder than the programme we are watching. I notice it so its not what you suggest. I suggest (respectfully) that you apologise for the outburst.
I'll look back in later. ;)
Knowlesy 26 Jul 2006, 21:52 Have you been drinking Mark? ;)
Motors does have some production issues, but nothing to rope yourself over.
Mark Mitchell 26 Jul 2006, 22:26 Not an attack on AA's comments really - but the theory that ads are played louder than programmes for marketing purposes carries no substance. (OFCOM would see to that - breaks all advertising regs).
As someone who spent 15yrs in Transmission Production, I do know a little about the way programmes are put together and why they sometimes aren't first-class productions.
I didn't see it as an outburst, and AA hasn't flamed me (yet!) but if that's the way Messrs Mallet & Knowles see it then, apologies are offered to AA.
*awaits the negative reputation from the Mod!!);) *
Knowlesy 26 Jul 2006, 22:30 Well, I wasn't sure what it was really Mark!
But I did think you had been drinking. ;)
Rockmunky 26 Jul 2006, 22:45 Personally, i don't want to watch the tv at a normal tv watching volume, then have my eardrums expolded when and advert for sueing people for accidents at work or on the road come on.
:)
Knowlesy 26 Jul 2006, 22:51 There is plenty of warning, as that annoying rotating crash helmet comes on. Turn the volume down before that finishes and hey presto! No more annoyingly loud compensation claims!
Mark Mitchell 26 Jul 2006, 22:58 Isn't Motors TV TX'd from France?
Perhaps the ads are played in from the UK which could possibly explain why they are at a different level?
Knowlesy 26 Jul 2006, 23:15 One minute you lay into them, now you are searching for excuses for them! ;)
:beer:
One other factor I get from time to time is a crackling noise on the sound.
Peter Mallett 27 Jul 2006, 09:46 I can't get Motors TV :(
Truckosaurus 27 Jul 2006, 10:13 One other factor I get from time to time is a crackling noise on the sound.
I get this too. You have to turn the volume on the set-top-box down and the television set volume up and that sorts it out. I guess MotorsTV's signal is compressed far more than other channels or something technical like that.
John Turner 27 Jul 2006, 19:35 I can't get Motors TV :(
:laugh: We noted this first time round, Peter. If you are looking for sympathy you have it. I think Motors TV is excellent; more power to its elbow. I can live with the niggles!
AdamAshmore 27 Jul 2006, 19:59 Sorry! All a load of ********!
So you disagree, nice of you to put it so politely.
I didn't see it as an outburst, and AA hasn't flamed me (yet!)...
I hadn't read it at that point. I normally consider people who swear at me as having an outburst!
I was a little taken aback because that post quoted in its entirety wasn't really about your issue, it was a post about the word "conspire" and how I thought it had been slightly misused! Surely your main beef is with the thread starter! Although you have less chance of being negged for swearing at a mod I reckon ;) :p
but if that's the way Messrs Mallet & Knowles see it then, apologies are offered to AA.Apology accepted :)
Back to the discussion...
Motors TV features very poorly produced programming in the main...
I quite agree with the production quality. When removing adverts I notice that often adverts are dealt with in different ways! It is clear they are on a budget and probably don't have time for some of the editing niceties especially when highlighting (see the verbing noun thread (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86044) in PF).
However adverts are on generally louder than the main programme on many channels and IMHO Motors is one of them.
I have not noticed Motors being much louder than other channels, I shall look (hear!) out for it in the future. Although I rarely flick.
Generally the poor production of Motors TV doesn't bother me. The races are there live and that is the important thing. Unlike other channels it could never be accused of being style of content. It is just content.
It is just a shame that Peter can't get it.
Knowlesy 27 Jul 2006, 22:52 A crying shame. ;)
I wonder what's on now....
Woolley 28 Jul 2006, 00:18 Well, there's a few negatives, as noted above, but on the whole I find it shows a whole heap of stuff nobody else is showing that I want to watch. Much of it is live, and much of that is repeated later in the week so I can watch it if I forgot it, was too busy or was out marshalling at the time (which surprisingly seems to happen at the same time as motorsport is on live. Tch, how inconsiderate!)
On that basis, I think I can put up with putting the sound down from time to time. I'll even put up with some dodgy cheap editing since they're not charging me any extra for doing it.
Peter Mallett 28 Jul 2006, 07:57 It is just a shame that Peter can't get it.
I used to get it in Turkey.
I get this too. You have to turn the volume on the set-top-box down and the television set volume up and that sorts it out. I guess MotorsTV's signal is compressed far more than other channels or something technical like that.Thanks,will give that a try.I had never noticed that the sky box had a volume control and its been sitting there for about 7 years! Could account for why digital programmes always seem to be louder and I often need to turn the sound down?
Isn't Motors TV TX'd from France?
Perhaps the ads are played in from the UK which could possibly explain why they are at a different level?
Good theory but what I think its down to is the fact on other channels on sky is they make the adverts twice as loud as the program so you pay more attention when the adverts come on. All it does for me is reminds me to mute it!
If dead boring compensation adverts wern't boring enough. Loud ones are unbearable. :(
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