New overalls

In the last CAMS magazine, Peter Lawrence casually remarked that FIA 1986 standard apparel will be phased out in a couple of years and the FIA 2000 standard will be the minimum accepted.

I have to ask the obvious question, why? Is there any reported incident where the FIA 1986 standard was found to be lacking or are we just keeping up with the FIA for the sheer sake of it? After all, most club racers have a money tree growing in the backyard.

In the last CAMS magazine, Peter Lawrence casually remarked that FIA 1986 standard apparel will be phased out in a couple of years and the FIA 2000 standard will be the minimum accepted.

I have to ask the obvious question, why? Is there any reported incident where the FIA 1986 standard was found to be lacking or are we just keeping up with the FIA for the sheer sake of it? After all, most club racers have a money tree growing in the backyard.

Patto,

You do realise that your thread has nothing to do with V8 Supercars, Cochrane bashing, skaife bashing, parity, street circuits..........

What are you doing posting this here? :p :p :p :p :p

You've answered your own question beautifully there m8, my money tree is still a small shrub and since we can't water anything at the moment in QLD, I reckon it'll remain a shrub...... :)

CD.

comon guys,

CAMS needs another revenue stream, what better way, outlaw the apparel, give every one a week to upgrade then go on a fine blitz.

make perfect sense to me ;)

still begs the question........cant us Australians run our own motorsport without the FIA? why do we need to send them our race calanders do they really care of course not but CAMS too pussy to go against them

Does a balaclava come standard? :p

Does a balaclava come standard? :p

It should, it makes it easier to get access to someone else's money tree while wearing one ;)

Hey guys,

I bought a new pair of overalls in 2003 unfortunatley they are 1986 standard and Motorsport Ireland have decided that 31 Dec 2007 is time up for them!

Guess im off down to the bank manager!:hair:

concider yourself happy !

the german asn is always more kathlic than the pope !
we had new suits mandatory this year already !

while i agree that racers need to be safed before themselfs from time to
time ( and a 8 year old suit is just a joke really ), this are first steps in
making the fia a lot of money.
they introduce fia standarts for everything now, boots and gloves to follow
in germany next year, those ultra expensive crap carbon helmets as used in f1 are next !
this enabels the fia to soley invoice any manufacturer for the application for - and the homologation and annual renewal of a fia standart product.

so far on many items, it was a set standart that was tested outside fia
( snell rating for example ) that was made mandatory by fia, but did not
earn them money.
that will change soon.
so expect prices to raise, as manufacturers need now not only to refund
all the gear they give f1 for free, but also the cost created by fia.

how i wish club racing would abandon all asn/fia ships, just like the motorcycle guys have done with fim !

:rotate:

I bought a new pair of overalls in 2003 unfortunatley they are 1986 standard and Motorsport Ireland have decided that 31 Dec 2007 is time up for them!A load of rally boys will complain and Motorsport Ireland will recapitulate and change this to the end of 2008.

Two words: Halon Extinguishers.

Hey, Norme 86 suits haven't been made for - what - 4 years now, most are probably 6 years old.

Given that my waistline grows even quicker than my overdraft, I'm impressed a 6 year old suit is any use for you guys anyway!

I had a short discussion with a scrute early this year when the rumours were going around that the MSA were to stop the use of fia1986 suits. He told me then there were no plans for such at club level in the UK.
He did say that they are no longer suitable for international events though.

Like the midgetman, I'm going to have to purchase a new suit sooner rather than later. While I always have them made to measure, I find it strange that the legs are now too short, which convinces me that the thinning on top of my head is nothing to do with losing it, just that I'm still growing, and up through my hair!

I've had a hunt around and have decide to spend my money with Stand21. They offer a much more "flamboyant" style of suit, compared to the drab stuff from nearly everyone else. And me, I do like flamboyant!

Is it me or do Alpinestars suits look like they were designed by "International Rescue" and were made on Tracy Island?

Hometune, will that "no plans" be like the sudden ban on Proban suits?

Rob.

"no plans" could well be like we've seen before. I don't think the MSA always let the scrutes know with any more notice than we get.

A load of rally boys will complain and Motorsport Ireland will recapitulate and change this to the end of 2008.

Two words: Halon Extinguishers.

This is true, however, the rule change regarding Halon applied only to rally drivers, circuit racers in Ireland still had no choice but to replace Halon with AFFF units.I would have no doubt that this situation would be any different.

I suppose when you only issue 300 race licences and 2000+ rally licences you can see where your loyalties lie...

So my old pair of Nomex that say 1986 Standard (but were manufactured in 1990) are still eligible for UK Club level Motorsport then? Is that races or just Hills, Sprints etc?

Ghinzani

For the forseeable future, Norme 86 is OK for circuit racing, speed events & rallying.

1990! Wow, that is impressive.......You ought to consider donating those to a museum. Yes, they'll do the job, but imagine what 16 years of development has done to designs, fabrics, performance etc etc. Like driving a 16 year old car - yes it does the same job as a new one, but it's rusty, the windows don't work properly.......You get what I mean?

Your Midget as bad as that, Mm?
John

Ghinzani

For the forseeable future, Norme 86 is OK for circuit racing, speed events & rallying.

1990! Wow, that is impressive.......You ought to consider donating those to a museum. Yes, they'll do the job, but imagine what 16 years of development has done to designs, fabrics, performance etc etc. Like driving a 16 year old car - yes it does the same job as a new one, but it's rusty, the windows don't work properly.......You get what I mean?
I started racing in 1991 and still have the same overalls, looking after them helps. And I have probably only worn them for 30-40 events, so 60-80 times
My biggest issue is that they use to be "Villenuve style" but they are now more... tailored. (That is the polite way of saying tight)

Two words: Halon Extinguishers.

Good idea...guarranteed to snuff out the fire and occupants :rofl:

In the last CAMS magazine, Peter Lawrence casually remarked that FIA 1986 standard apparel will be phased out in a couple of years and the FIA 2000 standard will be the minimum accepted.

I have to ask the obvious question, why? Is there any reported incident where the FIA 1986 standard was found to be lacking or are we just keeping up with the FIA for the sheer sake of it? After all, most club racers have a money tree growing in the backyard.

Dave....wasn't there an edict at the start of the year as well (could have been last year with my memory) that forced people to upgrade their gear???

Mick, it was a couple of years ago that CAMS made the 1986 standard compulsory.

Sounding like a cheapskate....I need the "correct" overalls to compete in club level motorsport, without them being stupidly expensive. Recommendations?

Sounding like a cheapskate....I need the "correct" overalls to compete in club level motorsport, without them being stupidly expensive. Recommendations?
Recommendation is to PM midgetman who will give you best advice and may even sell you a set cheaper than anywhere else (allegedly). Certainly I'm happy with his products and service.

Ok thanks for the advice, will do.

Suze, you have mail. Not cheapskate at all, we all like a bargain.

Edit for trypo

Yep got it thanks, you have mail now too!

Good idea...guarranteed to snuff out the fire and occupants :rofl:

Especially where people would plumb one of the outlets to point straight at the driver.

Hmmm, does the driver catch fire then? I thought it was usually part of the car, like electrics, or fluidy carrying stuff...

A real case of !doh!

I like the idea that someone came out with some time back, where you have a tube plumbed around the engine bay, and wherever the fire was, the pipe would melt and burst squirting extinquishant in the area where the fire actually was. Not much use if the fire is due to the engine lunching itself all over hot exhaust(s) resulting in big time fireball.

Rob.

Anyone know if sewing badges onto your overalls causes any problems? I was thinking of sewing my cub scout badges onto my karting overalls, just to rub it in and get the psychological advantage over the other drivers...

Its a bad idea - knackers the fire proofing (you have lots of little holes through to the inside for starters!)

There are a load of messages about his elsewhere in the forum.

You can use stick on patches I beleive.

James

latest spec is best value it'll last

ok well yours have lasted...!

James H - you missed Ghinzani say they were on his karting overalls. Not fireproof

Ghinzani, put your cub scout badges on both arms, makes it a three-layer overall :laugh:

Mind what you do with your woggle :rofl:

James H - you missed Ghinzani say they were on his karting overalls. Not fireproof


Ah yes. Mouth open, should be closed James.

Pay more attention at the back!!

James