Lyncar

Can anyone help with details of the Lyncar chassis numbers PLUS the people who drove the cars?

I am looking in particular for details of LA78-011 for its current owner.

Thanks. :)

Steve, off top of head, I reckon Lyncar built 4-5 Atlantics, plus a couple of F1s. The latter were the David Good car, 004 (??) from about 1972, then the John Nick one 006, in 1974. The latter passed to Emilio Villota, then possibly Bob Howlings. No idea of it after about 1978.

On Atlantics there was the John Nick car, 005 (?) that he used in 1973-74, and which I think may have gone to Kelvin Bowditch after. Tony Broster had one in the late 70s too. There was one made in late 78/early 79, that Villota used in the odd 79 UK Atlantic round, and I think Howard Wood then took downunder for NZ Atlantic in the winter 78-79. Is this the one you're searching for?

I guess, given the nos I've listed above, there must also have been 001-003, possibly later ones too given that you're after -011. There was also the Group C2 car that Costas Los had built in 1983, and used sporadically until mid-85.

The current owner of LA78-11 was told that it was the ex-Ken Ayers car. However the chassis number I have for Ayers car is definately not as above.

What I am trying to do is get at the history of this one chassis, however if there is any info on the other Lyncars that is a bonus.

In the sprint championship the following have been identified:

Martin Steele ran 003 wth a 1.6 BDA engine installed.

004 complete with DFV was with John Ravenscroft for a while.

There was a 79A run by Keith Corridon and David Brown - chassis number unknown as yet.

I have the Ken Ayers car as 3.0 Lyncar/March-Cosworth DFV 79S/LM1

Then Ken was running 3.9 Lyncar-Cosworth DFL MS84

That is all the Lyncars I have in the sprint championship.

:)

Steve, I wonder if the no. LA78-11 refers to 'Lyncar Atlantic, made in 78, the 11th car they made' ?? Maybe thats too logical, but it would fit with the 78-79 Villota Atlantic car, and which I think later went to Corridon. If the Ayers car was the ex-Lane one, described as a 79S, I thought that was based on a 79 March tub, not a newly built Lyncar one.

Steve, I wonder if the no. LA78-11 refers to 'Lyncar Atlantic, made in 78, the 11th car they made' ?? Maybe thats too logical, but it would fit with the 78-79 Villota Atlantic car, and which I think later went to Corridon. If the Ayers car was the ex-Lane one, described as a 79S, I thought that was based on a 79 March tub, not a newly built Lyncar one.

Yes the Lyncar/March 79S/LM1 was indeed a March chassis & Suspension that Lyncar modified - hence the 79S bit.

The LM84 may well have been a further mod to this car done in 1984!

It is all a bit wooly even though I have asked several of the people concerned.

:)

On Atlantics there was the John Nick car, 005 (?) that he used in 1973-74, and which I think may have gone to Kelvin Bowditch after. Tony Broster had one in the late 70s too. There was one made in late 78/early 79, that Villota used in the odd 79 UK Atlantic round, and I think Howard Wood then took downunder for NZ Atlantic in the winter 78-79. Is this the one you're searching for?
Howard Wood took a car to NZ for the 1978 series but crashed it in testing at Pukekohe and broke his leg before the series, so it didn't run. In fact I have a note saying it was written off.
Wood returned for the 1979 series with what I understood to have been the works entry in the 1978 Canadian series, and descibed as an LA78.
Owner of the car (or cars) was John Anderson who was a de Cadenet mechanic at Le Mans (as was Wood) and is now back in NZ.

Villota's car was described at the time as a 79A, Good's hillclimb car as an MS4
Then there was the Marlyn - was that something different again?

Of the original Atlantics, 001 was Mike Endean's, 002 don't know, 003 John Nick's first car (1972-early 73), 005 Nick's from mid-1973 through 1974, and raced by Phil Sharp 1975

PS
I believe Broster's was 001, which he ran in Monoposto (as later did Peter Venn)

Early Lyncar history is given in a feature in Autosport 6.12.73 pp. 34-35
and runs like this

001. Appeared Racing Car Show, used by Mike Endean in 1972 F.Atlantic with a t/c engine and latterly in libre with an FVC. Think Endean still had this car in 1975. Then
to Broster.

002 John Nicholson 1972 Atlantic, badly damaged at BOAC meeting in April
and scrapped after one more race.

003 Nicholson, replacement car in 1972, retained 1973 until replaced by 005
Used by Dave Oxton at Atlantic support race for British GP

004 Hillclimb car 1973 for David Good

005 1973 Atlantic car for Nicholson built mid season. Retained 1974. To Phil Sharp
for 1975 British Atlantic. To Kevin Bowditch for Indyatlantic 1976 but may not
have appeared; seems to be sold to Frank Potts for Northern libre races later
in season

006 1974 F1 car.

Like David I wonder if the car in question here is not the ex-Howard Wood 1978
Atlantic car - but I have that, from somewhere unknown, as 010. 011 would make
more sense as the car used in testing only in Canada. Was the car used by Villota and Don Halliday in UK Atlantic in 79 the ex Wood car rebuilt or another new chassis?

Chris

If the Villota and Halliday cars were the same, there is a connection: Halliday was also a New Zealander (as was Wood) and a race mechanic (as was Wood)

Slightly O/T, I wonder what happened to the Los C2 car ?

Slightly O/T, I wonder what happened to the Los C2 car ?

:tumble:

Villota and Halliday definitely appeared in same car, so is this the ex Howard Wood
car brought back and rebuilt? [Though whether Halliday was involved as mechanic
with the project I don't know. I remember him vaguely with a Van Diemen RF81
a few years later.]

Chris

Without any evidence at all, I always assumed there was only 1 late 70s Lyncar, so if Wood smashed it up in NZ, was it really good enough for them to build another brand new identical one ? I presume they rebuilt the original as a cheaper option than buying a March/Ralt/Chevron. Wasn't Don Halliday a designer as well as a mechanic, I recall him being involved with the TDC S2000 car, then building his own, the Halliday JF3. Very nice the latter was too, the TDC wasn't !!

Can't remember what his involvement was with the TDC, but he certainly did his own S2000 - went pretty well, too, ISTR
Without wishing to go too far OT, isn't he (or was recently) on the US racing scene?

Is this the same Don Halliday who was invovled with Adrian Fernandez in his Champ car efforts recently?

In pursuit of clarification I asked Howard Wood about his Lyncar(s) and he says the second one was built using what little was usable from the wreckage of the first. He doesn’t recall any chassis number, but doesn’t think there was another car to the same design.
The second car was sent to the US on a sales mission in 1978 and several people tried it but its times were not competitive with the Ralt and March opposition and there were no takers.
After its unsuccessful 1979 NZ series the car returned to the UK. Howard reminded me that Villota was running his McLaren M23 out of the Lyncar factory so it is possible it is this car the Spaniard raced after it returned from NZ.
Howard himself lost touch with it but thinks it was eventually sold for hillclimbing “and quite possibly ended up with a DFV at some stage”.

David, in 79 Vilota was in that lovely yellow Madom Lotus 78, not the M23. But I agree he did have 'Lyncar links' of some sort, presumably from his days with the ex- John Nic 006. After him, I think it did go Sprinting, maybe climbing too, with Kwith Corridon.

Good old Kwith...
I wondered about which F1 car I meant as I was writing it...

Vilota was running an "ex Hunt championship winning" McLaren M23 in Banko Aberiaco (spelling?) colours out of Lyncar in late 1977 when we were building the Lyncar Atlantic first time around then quite correctly the Lotus 78 when we repeated the exercise in 1978.The McLaren may well have actually had its origins in a one off Formula A car built(M2?) as there was a big Hewland (LG?) gearbox and rear end lying around which I understood came off that car.

.............in Banko Aberiaco (spelling?).......

Banco Iberico

:)

He had two McLarens, the ex-works M23/6 and the ex-F5000 M25/1 which was converedt to M23 specification.

MN in 1979 says that the Villota Lyncar was indeed the car run in NZ.
Keith Corridon also used a Lyncar in libre races [at least at Combe in early
1982 in a race run with Atlantics]. This car all the way through?

MN in 1979 says that the Villota Lyncar was indeed the car run in NZ.
Keith Corridon also used a Lyncar in libre races [at least at Combe in early
1982 in a race run with Atlantics]. This car all the way through?

Corridon also sprinted and hillclimbed the Lyncar. :innocent:

Corridon also sprinted and hillclimbed the Lyncar. :innocent:Only BSC result was 7th at Curborough 6 June 1982.

Only BSC result was 7th at Curborough 6 June 1982.

Glad you are keeping tabs on the BMSA website!

Corridon also sprinted the car in 1981 as well as '82.

In 1983 Ken Ayers appeared with the Lyncar/March-DFV.

;)

Steve

Actuallly, I was quoting from the copy you kindly let me have some time ago for OldRacingCars.com. At some point, I need to resynchonise with you as it looks like you've been making spectacular progress.

Allen

Steve

Actuallly, I was quoting from the copy you kindly let me have some time ago for OldRacingCars.com. At some point, I need to resynchonise with you as it looks like you've been making spectacular progress.

Allen

The progress made since April has been limited. Once the racing season starts I tend to drop the research projects! However by mid October I'll be back on the trail.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/srwquiz/images/3-picture3.gif

Martin Slater in the Lyncar 003 at Prescott in 1974

Nick Overall's Lyncar 001 at HSCC meeting, Donington pit garage, 2 April, 2006

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Gurston Down May 1986 and Brighton Speed Trials Sept 1987
Ken Ayres Lyncar MS84 Cosworth 3993
Chassis number on each occasion recorded as LA78 011

PS I have a reference to Roger Orgee in a Lyncar 79A 011 with a 1975cc BDX in 1985.

Fascinating! Two cars wearing 011 at the same time?

Allen

Early Lyncar history is given in a feature in Autosport 6.12.73 pp. 34-35
and runs like this

001. Appeared Racing Car Show, used by Mike Endean in 1972 F.Atlantic with a t/c engine and latterly in libre with an FVC. Think Endean still had this car in 1975. Then
to Broster.

002 John Nicholson 1972 Atlantic, badly damaged at BOAC meeting in April
and scrapped after one more race.

003 Nicholson, replacement car in 1972, retained 1973 until replaced by 005
Used by Dave Oxton at Atlantic support race for British GP

004 Hillclimb car 1973 for David Good

005 1973 Atlantic car for Nicholson built mid season. Retained 1974. To Phil Sharp
for 1975 British Atlantic. To Kevin Bowditch for Indyatlantic 1976 but may not
have appeared; seems to be sold to Frank Potts for Northern libre races later
in season
...
ChrisA slight hiccup. Potts wins a poorly-supported libre at Oulton on 11 Jul 1976 but Bowditch still has 005 in 1977. Bowditch had entered his car in a couple of G8 races early in 1976 and finally appears puts in an appearance at Mallory in July 1977.

Potts' car is called "ex-Nicholson" which narrows it down to 002, 003 and 005. If it's not 002 or 005, that leaves 003. Martin Steele has 003 for Sprints in 1975 I believe - does he retain it in 1976?

Allen

Why not ask Martin SLater?

A slight hiccup. Potts wins a poorly-supported libre at Oulton on 11 Jul 1976 but Bowditch still has 005 in 1977. Bowditch had entered his car in a couple of G8 races early in 1976 and finally appears puts in an appearance at Mallory in July 1977.

Potts' car is called "ex-Nicholson" which narrows it down to 002, 003 and 005. If it's not 002 or 005, that leaves 003. Martin Steele has 003 for Sprints in 1975 I believe - does he retain it in 1976?

Allen

Martin Steele was still using the 003 Lyncar in 1976 as I saw him in the car at Prescott that year. In fact he was running the car in 1974 as well!

:cool:

I'm not sure if Drifty was planning to post this but I'll do it for him. He has been corresponding with Roger Orgee who has confirmed that he bought his Lyncar in 1983 from Keith Corridon, who we have established ran a Lyncar '79A' in libre, hillclimbs and sprints in 1981 and 1982. It was bought in bits, having been reversed into the armco somewhere. Roger fitted a F2 BDX and won the BRSCC Open series 2-litre class in 1984 or 1985. He sold it to a dealer in Trowbridge where it stayed for some time. Roger saw it once again at Brighton where it was "looking 'orrible without its pods".

So Orgee's Lyncar 79A 011 with 1975cc BDX that Alan Brown observed in 1985 was the Corridan car which Dan believes was previously the de Villota car.

However, that still leaves the puzzle of the 'LA78 011' plate on the Ayres Lyncar 79S. This thread started with Steve trying to trace the history of LA78-011. Can Steve tell us more about where it is today and whether it looks like the 79S or the 79A?

(edit: Just a thought - is it possible Alan transcribed the Orgee car's plate wrong and it should be 010?)

Allen

Ecurie Canada tested an Atlantic spec Lyncar in autumn 1978 and Price Cobb practised it at Trois Rivieres that year.
Is this the basis of the Howard Wood car in NZ series in early 1979 and
then the Villota car of 1979 [described at the time as a new car] is a separate entity? From somewhere, and I apologise for my poor notetaking, I've got the Wood car as 010

Chris

LA 011 was essentially a new car to the same design as 010, using what parts (very few) had been recovered from 010. It was sent to Canada and the US on a sales mission with car owner John Anderson, paid for by the factory. Although tested by many of the front running teams there were no takers as the car was unable to match the times being set by other marques.
The car was shipped to NZ for the Jan 1979 series and returned to UK afterwards and Lyncar ownership.
Villotta had been running his private European F1 efforts out of a corner of the Lyncar factory in Slough so was a logical (and well funded) driver for Martin Slater to have drive the car in the UK.

OK, I'm now confused.

We have 009 as Howard's Jan 1978 car and 010 as his Jan 1979 car. But we have 011 as the Corridon/Orgee car and also 011 as the 1984 Ayers/Edwards car. Something's not right here.

Alan - could you double-check your chassis number id for Orgee in 1985 please? Is it definitely 011? Any chance it's 010?

Howard - when you say 011 was built from the remains of 010, is it possible that you mean that 010 was built from the remains of 009? Or even that 009 was built from the remains of 008? Or do you just mean that the 1979 car was built from the remains of the 1978 car and that the actual numbers are lost in the mists of time?

Thanks gentlemen

Allen

Allen

Yes I mean the first car we built in 1977, crashed in NZ Dec 1977/ Jan 1978 was then rebuilt into the second car which then went to Canada/ US then to NZ for the Jan 1979 series.

I would go with David McKinney's records regarding the chassis numbers as we kept no records as at the time these were of no importance to us except for customs records.David was there assiduously recording those details for posterity. Martin Slater may well have some records also.

Same with March 742-U1, as I discussed previously,I can only tell you the previous history of the car as we understood it.The details regarding the modifications and changes we made to the car during our ownership are the only things I can be certain about.

Howard.

So there is no confusion here, the first of these two (1.75?) cars was a completely new car and design. It was not designed by Martin Slater unlike the previous cars but I cannot for the life of me remember the guy's name.

The tub was very narrow with a single fuel cell between driver and engine, fabricated rocker front suspension, unique castings for bulkheads front and rear, suspension uprights front and rear all done to make the car in production form.

From our point of view, (apart from a slight design/ manufacturing fault in the front wheels which caused the front tyres to detach nearly killing me) although beautifully detailed, the design did not allow "on the fly" changes, particularly between races in far away NZ. There was a major issue with turn in particularly in slow corners, due to a very narrow front track and front suspension geometry but with pick up points machined into the castings and front rockers formed over a buck change was impossible. In other words the car was built as a production ready car rather than as a development mule.

Thanks Howard

I found a picture of the car in Autosport yesterday showing it on "its British debut" with Villota aboard. That was a pretty clear indication that it raced somewhere other than Britain so it must be your New Zealand car.

In Mike Kettlewell's 1979 Motor Racing Directory it says that chassis 008 has been built for Atlantic in 1978 as the first of the new series and its 1979 model is described as "009 onwards (Formula Atlantic)". It also talks about the prototype being written off in New Zealand which all points to 008 being the car written off and 009 being the 1979 replacement. I add this merely to confuse us further :rotate:

Did you see the picture of Musetti's car on the Formula Atlantic 1975 thread (http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?postid=2467723) on TNF? It's at the bottom of the third batch of pictures.

Allen, this is getting interesting ! Are we now thinking there were 4 separate 'second generation' Lyncar Atlantics?? 008-011, built between 1978-79, 3 of which were written off, and one surviving at least 'til 1985 with Orgee, and variously racing/testing in Canada, NZ, Britain.

Where does this leave the Ayers car, apparently 011 too. Perhaps it was built around one of the earlier, previously discarded FA tubs ?

I'm trying not to hypothesise but something doesn't add up as we have the numbers 008, 009, 010 and 011 and apparantly only three cars.

Maybe the Corridan/Orgee car is a different car to Villota's car - we don't have any evidence to say it's the same do we? I am hoping Alan will come back and say Orgee's car was 010, not 011, because that will make more sense of the plate on Ayers' car. I agree that it's possible Ayers' car was built on an old leftover FA tub.

It's also possible that when Slater was stamping the plate for Ayers' car in 1984 he couldn't remember where he'd got to with his 1978/79 numbering and accidentally used 011 twice.

Or ... just to show how many possibilities there are, maybe 008 was the 1978 car, 009 was the Villota/Corridon/Orgee car, 010 was the MS83 sports car and 011 was the MS84 Ayers car? So much hinges on Alan's reference to Orgee's car as 010.

Anyone have contact details for Martin Slater? He can't be expected to know how the cars changed hands after he sold them but he could well be able to clear up the numbering.

Guys below is the email from Roger Orgee regarding his cars and i have set him some questions so u dont have to ask them!

Here goes,memory may have faded,it's not me racing now but my son,Roger jnr in F BMW!
MARCH 742.
bought this off Jonathan Buncombe (who bought roller off Geoff Friswell) JB fitted an FVD motor and I raced it at one Silverstone libre race and intended to do F2 Aurora with it.
Saw sense at the last minute and fitted a Richardson Atlantic motor and entered Hitachi Atlantic in 1979.
As car was a real 742 it's running gear was too heavy for Atlantic so I bought a load of 772p lightweight bits off Kim Mather and got it down to a competitive weight and 772p spec.
Sold it up north as a roller at the end of 79. do u recall who to?
ATLANTIC racer male white straight!! -The 772p suffix was to add value!
so u added on a dummy 772P plate or infered car was in 772P trim INFERRED
(See here:- http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82121&page=11 - JT)

MARCH 782/79B
bought a 782 off Paul Smith (of BMTR ) Paul built this from spare parts he had in stock so God knows what the plate was!
aha this is going to be fun Smiffy said he had the rad dougal car and a pile of parts
1 car was built and sent to ZA to bernard tilanus the other is in maidstone went sprinting both cars have 782 #?? tag on them both claim to be the REAL dougall car !!
The car was then converted to 79B spec,mainly ground effect pods etc off Andy Barton. Ran in 1980 Hitachi Atlantic best place third at Thruxton.Binned it big time at Oulton park,new tub provided by Andy Barton.
Sold complete car to another chap from the frozen north (Huddersfield?) at the request of the bank manager!
Bill woodl/willy wood by any chance??
(See here:- http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87591&page=12 - JT)

LYNCAR BDX
bought this in 83 of Keith Corridon in bits.I think it became a kit of parts backwards against the armco somewhere as the casing was bust. It was originally Atlantic spec (Villota?) but Martin Slater of Lyncar (Lyn and Carol) wondered how the name came!! had fitted full ground effect side pods and exhaust system. no idea of chassis no though.
fitted full F2 Spec BDX complete with John Dunn megaphone system,and won BRSCC open series 2 litre class in 1984 or was it 85? brilliant little car,we never changed anything.Had it rebuilt at Slough where I did most of the work as Martin was building the six wheeled armoured vehicle used in Aliens 2!
Sold the roller to a dealer in Trowbridge,where it stayed for ages, and the engine to the USA (first time I ever made a profit from a racecar).
Last heard of at Brighton speed trials looking 'orrible without its pods!

Next car was the ex Danner F3000 March 86B,any questions?
u mean 85B that he won the euro F3000 c/ship! yes,WON BRITISH OPEN in 1987,ran it in 88 and sold it less dfv and bought 88d reynard f3000.
that car had v6 GA in it to go sprinting now less engine
Thought it was written off at sprint meeting as GA and polar moments didnt mix! sold it at end of 88 less DFV



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I would be most suprised if Martin Slater had built any more cars to that design as he was rather stuck with one already and it had hardly covered itself in glory! Was one of the later "Lyncar" cars a modified March?

Over in the March 722-762 forum there is a post with Q & A from Roger Orgee in which ground effect side pods are mentioned on his Lyncar.
Between Wigram and Teretonga Jan 1979 which were on consecutive weekends we made up some ground effect side pods from Autosport photos of a Lotus 78 which amazingly did improve the car a little.

When the car returned to Lyncar it would have made sense for Martin to have developed and improved on our hurried efforts including re routing the exhaust etc.

29.4.79 Brands, Villota's car said to be the one run recently in NZ MN 3.5.79 p. 31
DNA 29.7
DNA 15.7
No other entries… only Ingliston missing from programmes for that year.
Then Don Halliday later in year
8.9 Retired
27.8 8th

Allen
Potts car described specifically as 005 MN 15.7.76 p. 7, at Oulton FL. So borrowed from Bowditch?

Chris

I have dug out my programme for Brands Hatch 28 July 1985 and in the list of entries for the LEP Group Formule Libre Championship Race I wrote 011 against the Lyncar 79A BDX of Roger Orgee. Incidentally he was fourth behind Alo Lawler M30, Tony Trimmer T330 (HU6) and John Brindley 821.

Alan Brown

Thanks for double-checking that number, Alan. Much appreciated.

So we have a real puzzle with these 008-009-010-011 cars.

008 The written-off 1978 prototype, according to Kettlewell. Presumably the write off in NZ 1978.
009 The 1979 'FA79' for Howard, Villota and Halliday (thanks Chris). But then where? Or was this the car written off in NZ?
010 Unknown. Or was this the Wood-Villota-Halliday car?
011(i) Unknown at first but later the Corridon - Orgee '79A'. Maybe originally the Wood-Villota-Halliday car. Also now missing.
011(ii) The Ken Ayers MS84 carrying plate 'LA78 011'. Still sprinting.

What a mess!

I guess we now need Martin Slater. Anyone know where to contact him?

Roger Orgee in the ex de Villota/Halliday/Corridon Atlantic based car
AS 8.1.87 p.54 review of libre races in 86 season.

I think there is only one car from NZ 79 to Orgee.

Chris

Excellent! So does that mean we can allocate the number 011 to the 1979 Villota car? Further still, does that mean we can allocate the number 011 to the car Howard drove in Jan 1979? Or are we still looking at some discontinuity somewhere along the line?

Aha. A fact. Maybe...

Graham Vercoe's book Historic Racing Cars of New Zealand has a section in the back where it gives information about visiting cars, even including cars that arrived after 1977, the cut-off for his other book. One column gives the chassis number. I don't know where Graham got this information from but I have been told it comes from NZ import documentation. David may be able to tell us more.

For what it's worth, it lists on one line:

Car: Lyncar LA78
Chassis: JN 010
Year: 1979
Driver: Howard Wood

No, sorry
I know Vercoe got some of his c/no data from HM Customs in NZ, but I would have thought his mole had retired before the late '70s.

Can anyone help with details of the Lyncar chassis numbers PLUS the people who drove the cars?

I am looking in particular for details of LA78-011 for its current owner.

Thanks. :)

In conversation with noted motor racing historian & author Jeremy Bouckley yesterday at Curborough the chat wandered onto Lyncars. I asked if he knew the background to LA78-011, the Ken Ayers car. The following details were forthcoming:

1. It was a completely NEW car that Lyncar built specifically for speed events
2. It was based on the then current Formula Atlantic tub
3. The back-end was a completely new design to accomodate the Cosworth engine and the bigger Hewland box

IT WAS NOT A REBUILD/RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING CAR.

If anyone has specific queries about Lyncars please post them on this thread and I will relay them to Jeremy who is still in the dark ages as he doesn't even have a PC let alone access to the INTERWEB!

:)

In Motoring News 24 Nov 1977 p14 there's a picture of the newly completed car destined for Howard Wood in New Zealand. This would be what Kettlewell called 008.

The notes above are correct. The Ken Ayres car was built from a new tub that was hanging from the workshop roof. Martin was working on the DFV powered version of the Group C2 car for Costas Los, and the hillclimb car used the same rear end as the sportscar.

It ran a 3.9 DFL, which was bought from Lola's sportscar team through John Judd.

The last I heard of Martin Slater was he was living near Newbury, running Lybcar Stables, you can find him via Google.

If you are interested there is a great thread on Pelicanparts.com. Someone has found the styling buck from the Group C2 car.


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David

Can anyone help with details of the Lyncar chassis numbers PLUS the people who drove the cars?

I am looking in particular for details of LA78-011 for its current owner.

Thanks. :)

This ad:

LYNCAR LA78-011, the last Martin Slater single seater.
Ran DFL originally, now supercharged V8 with FGA400 gbox.
450 bhp + depending on boost pressure, massive potential.
Very quick car, previously used for hclimb/sprint use, imaculate preaccident.
As stands with damaged tub, call for various selling options!

So it looks like this car might be 'lost'.

:doh:

Where and when was that advert Steve?

Where and when was that advert Steve?

It is on RacecarsDirect currently; follow this link:

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/viewlisting.php?view=10781

South Devon telephone number.

South Devon telephone number.

Correct, the current owner has been doing Hillclimbs and Sprints in the South West for the last couple of seasons. Don't know where he had the 'off' but there are a lot of unforgiving venues in that neck of the woods.

:evillaff:

There is not a lot of detail available in the front on photo in "Race Cars Direct" but although there are some Lyncar signature features I would suggest it is a different car to the "our" Formula Atlantic car.

The bodywork is completely different and details such as the rollover bar etc are different enough to support the theory of this being another car altogether.

There is not a lot of detail available in the front on photo in "Race Cars Direct" but although there are some Lyncar signature features I would suggest it is a different car to the "our" Formula Atlantic car.

The bodywork is completely different and details such as the rollover bar etc are different enough to support the theory of this being another car altogether.

Howard, this was originally the car produced for Ken Ayers. If you PM me your email address I can send you a photo of Ken in the car back in 1987.

Steve

Steve,
Photos of Ken Ayres car from 1978 received thanks, I will leave posting them here to you if you think it helps illuminate the subject.

The Ken Ayers car as run in 1978 visually appears the same as our car(s) from the rear tub bulkhead forward. The front suspension is the same rocker setup although the ride height appears higher possibly due to the use the car is being put to (the front shocks are well in the airstream in both action photos), the front wheels are the same Lyncar manufactured centre lock ones and the bodywork is the same.

We made some foam filled glass fibre delta shaped wings front and rear which are not there and the ground effects sidepods are different but that is just a development thing and from the rear of the tub rearwards is all different obviously to fit the DFV (do you know if Ken Ayers ran a FT200 Hewland?). From the photos I would conclude that it is either a new car based on the same design or our car re engineered for the DFV by Lyncar.

The photo of the car currently for sale at racing cars direct shows a lot more differences from both cars. The three elements visible in the photo are: the front suspension which has a rising rate push rod setup, the bodywork which is completely different including the side pods and the roll hoop which is different. Based on that one photo I could not be sure it was the same as Ken Ayres car.

Howard.

Atlantic cars ....... unquie in the they had an alloy engine mouunt across the front face of the engine block

In conversation with noted motor racing historian & author Jeremy Bouckley yesterday at Curborough the chat wandered onto Lyncars. I asked if he knew the background to LA78-011, the Ken Ayers car. The following details were forthcoming:

1. It was a completely NEW car that Lyncar built specifically for speed events
2. It was based on the then current Formula Atlantic tub
3. The back-end was a completely new design to accomodate the Cosworth engine and the bigger Hewland box

IT WAS NOT A REBUILD/RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING CAR.

If anyone has specific queries about Lyncars please post them on this thread and I will relay them to Jeremy who is still in the dark ages as he doesn't even have a PC let alone access to the INTERWEB!

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Howard, note the earlier post I have included above. I seem to remember the gearbox was a Hewland FG (?) rather than the FT200 which would probably not have been up to the job of handling the power of a DFV.

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The chief mystery here is how the Ayers car, which I accept was a new build, got the plate "LA78-011". 011 is also the number on a F/Atlantic car.

In Tim Fortner's archives I have discovered an extensive suite of photos of the Lyncar taken to the US, being tested by Bob Earl. Fortner was running Earl's Chevron in 1978 and his Ralt in 1979. As Ecurie Canada also tested the Lyncar and indeed took it as a spare for Price Cobb to Trois Rivieres in 1978, I guess that these pictures date from later in the 1978 season.

If someone can inform me about posting pictures on this forum I will scan them on Thursday morning.

Unfortunately there is no photo of the chassis plate [an unfortunate omission in all of Tim's extensive photo documentation, there's a particularly frustrating photo of the cockpit of Earl's new RT1 where you can read RT1 on the plate and then the steering wheel covers the number]

Chris

In 1978 John Anderson, who owned the car and co- built it with me, took the second of our two cars (or the rebuilt version of the first crashed car) on a sales mission to Canada and US where it was tested but not run by most of the top runners there. From there the car was shipped to NZ for the January 1979 NZ Pacific Series.

If you can find chassis plate detail for the car while it was in US/ Canada that will solve the ongoing mystery of the numbering sequence of our two (?) cars.

I just discovered this Forum, so please excuse my somewhat tardy contribution.

I have been checking my databases on Lyncar entries (F1, F2, F5000 & Sportscars) and came up with some entries that I haven't seen mentioned yet.
For the F1 car, I have as an alternative chassis number 007. I now know that this is in error, but it was used a few times in press reports.
For the end of the 1977 F5000 season, there are two entries by Escuderia Aryn, for Herman Herstenberg. Both DNS. Is this 006 as well?
There is a possible entry for the '76 ROTC by Bob Howlings. DNA of course. Would this be 006 too?
According to the Black Books, Carlo Giorgio drove a March 742 in the 1979 F2 Vallelunga race. As an alternative, a Lyncar 79 is mentioned. Is this correct. His team is called RR.
And finally, the Lyncar sportscar is called MS83-001. However in the field of possible alternative chassis numbers, the number 012? is entered. I don't have a source for this at the moment, but it would tie in nicely with the numbers 008-011 that came just before. It does not yet explain the re-use of number 011, though I might imagine that number 013 wasn't a popular choice either. After all, as we have seen, the new formula car was built in the same workshop where the sportscar was being modified at the time.

Over to any of you.

Regards,

Henk Vasmel

006 is, we're confident, the Nicholson 1974 F1 car. He used it that year for the UK F1 races, also 1975. It then goes to Howlings presumably, then sold to de Villota's team, who raced it in G8 mainly in 1976-77. Herstenberg was due to hire it for 2 late-season 1977 G8 races, after Emilio had got his M23.

If anyone is still interested in contacting Martin Slater, I might be able to help.

I used to live with his daughter, Mandy and although we're no longer together we are still in touch. Martin has recently moved to Wales from the stables near Newbury and I still get the occasional Christmas card from him.

I do remember 4 or 5 years ago he had one of the '00' chassis in for some restoration work (he looked after my Locost for me at the time, so I used to spend quite a lot of time in the workshop) but I haven't seen him since I split with Mandy in 2004. I'm sure he wouldn't mind answering some questions though, and it would give me an excuse to pop by and see him.

Thanks for your offer. I'll put some questions together.

Allen

And if he has pics, even better... :)

I think there are six questions for Martin, seven if we show an interest in sports cars as well. Firstly, a recap:

Lyncar 001 - Mike Endean 1972-75 later to Broster
Lyncar 002 - John Nicholson March-June 1972 then scrapped
Lyncar 003 - John Nicholson June 1972-July 1973 then Martin Steele
Lyncar 004 - only used in hillclimbs and sprints
Lyncar 005 - John Nicholson July 1973-Nov 1974 then Sharp & Bowditch

All the first five cars are fully understood.

Lyncar 006 - John Nicholson (F1) 1974-1975 then Villota

Question 1. Does he know what happened to 006 after Vilotta had it?
Question 2. Was there just a single F1 car or was a second car (007?) built?
Question 3. Lyncar 007 was said to be a 1975 Atlantic car. Was it built?

Lyncar FA78 or 79A - The Atlantic car run by Howard Wood, Villota, Don Halliday, Keith Corridon and Roger Orgee

Question 4. Was this all the same car from Wood in November 1977 on to Orgee or were there two or more cars in this history?
Question 5. Was this car 008 or 009 or 010 or were all those numbers applied to it?

Lyncar LA78-011 - Ken Ayres' hillclimb car.

Question 6. Was this indeed 'the last Martin Slater single seater'?
(Question 7. What was the chassis number of the MS83 sports car?)

Anyone want to add to these questions or modify them?

Allen

Allen,

The key question for Martin regarding the F/ Atlantic car(s) built by John Anderson and me in 1977 and 1978 is the chassis no of the 1977 car and if a new chassis no was allocated to the 1978 car built from the 1977 remains.

If you are speaking to Martin please pass on my regards.

Howard.

I note that the name of Chris Morris has not been mentioned
I am sure he had an ex Nicholson Lyncar that he used in sprints and hillclimbs in the late 70,s/early 80,s/based out of Stroud.He then went on to Monopostos in a Lotus 69
If you,re out there Chris give me an email
Ian Thompson

I note that the name of Chris Morris has not been mentioned
I am sure he had an ex Nicholson Lyncar that he used in sprints and hillclimbs in the late 70,s/early 80,s/based out of Stroud.He then went on to Monopostos in a Lotus 69
If you,re out there Chris give me an email
Ian Thompson

I have a photo of Chris taken at Prescott in the Lotus 69 in 1976; can't say I ever saw him in a Lyncar.

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