DTRC Brands Hatch 4/5th Nov

Are the entry forms for this event being released yet?

I haven't heard that they have.

Should we all form an orderly queue behind Andy?

Should be posted out in the next couple of weeks, as soon as they are finalised. May have some at Lydden next week.

Should be a good meeting, the trucks were fantastic at Brands last year and DTRC will be as good as ever :)

Can't we move that event to Silverstone on the same weekend? ;)
I know that Chezza would love it.
And I. :p


Sorry, I'll go and hide now. :duck:
No better idea, I'd better go and buy :beer: now for next week.

Sorry, I'll go and hide now. :duck:
No better idea, I'd better go and buy :beer: now for next week.

Good idea

Indeed Eddy! Yet another clash for me!

I so want to go to see the trucks and the last round of the DTRC, although I have a feeling the championship won't go down to the final race this year. But...

The WHT meeting is usually Silverstones last meeting of the season and it has become tradition for our group to all stay at the circuit (yes camping in November) and have christmas. Yes we are talking full christmas dinner (cooked in 3 caravans), crackers, lights, pressies, santa the lot, oh and cos its Bonfire night fireworks too!

ARGH!

Clash here too!! WHT and Brands and Vee end of season party - argh! Hoping can do WHT and the party but means Brands is a no go! :(

Any news yet?

Yes..

I have an electronic copy of the form and paper ones on the way.

Get your orders in now!

Yes..

I have an electronic copy of the form and paper ones on the way.

Get your orders in now!

Me please miss

Got mine, just got to save up the peenies to enter

I haven't looked at the cost I assume cos its HQ its another expensive one?!

hi chezza can ya send me a brands entry coz the megane needs another thrashing coz its been bad !..

Naughty Megane! Yep I'll get one off to you. I am waiting for the paper ones to arrive at the mo though.

I too have an electronic copy, just trying to sort it out into a smaller file...although not getting very far!

hi chezza can ya send me a brands entry coz the megane needs another thrashing coz its been bad !..

what was the problem with the megane at lydden and will you be there the next meeting mate..

I too have an electronic copy, just trying to sort it out into a smaller file...although not getting very far!

Can you send me an electronic copy please :cool:

I take it as this is an HQ meeting there are no plans to include additional tintop type races?

Thats correct.

what was the problem with the megane at lydden and will you be there the next meeting mate..
was mixture of things bad fuel pump and a broken anderson socket ! so no fuel some of the time then the motor quit which was a bit scary with a 4x4 cossy catching you at max speed (sorry rod..) new bits fitted now, ready for toyos at oulton then its lydden for more fun.

Thats correct.Rod can I transfer the Lydden entry to Brands in Nov?
Also does anyone know a good cylinder head man near the Dartford area? I need to get a head modified ASAP Cheers
Graham R:cool:

Graham you will have to get a refund from Chezza for Lydden, then enter Brands with BARC HQ. Unforutnately that's the only way it can be done.

D'oh ! :cool:

Rod can I transfer the Lydden entry to Brands in Nov?
Also does anyone know a good cylinder head man near the Dartford area? I need to get a head modified ASAP Cheers
Graham R:cool:

Graham, there are 2 places in West Kingsdown - Glen Searle or HT Racing - both are normally very helpful

Graham, there are 2 places in West Kingsdown - Glen Searle or HT Racing - both are normally very helpful
Barry, Graham did say he needed it done ASAP. :rofl:

Graham, try Ginger Payne, he has recently moved to Borough Green,Arron should have his number if not will get it for you tomorrow

Thanks guys I am sure it will be 'ready next Tuesday'
If you have the numbers will contact them. Does HT do his own head work?
Borris

What ever happened to Tim Swadkin? I remember him being the dogs dangly bits at one time...

You could always take a ride up into Hertfordshire and see Mr Blydenstein...
Still very very good.

Rob.

Graham your cheque for lydden wasn't cashed as you withdrew before I banked it so there is no refund owed, sorry!

What ever happened to Tim Swadkin? I remember him being the dogs dangly bits at one time...

You could always take a ride up into Hertfordshire and see Mr Blydenstein...
Still very very good.

Rob.

I have not seen or heard of Tim for ages (he used to work from my place in Orpington) in the days of BRSCC Modified Saloons / Thunder Saloons. I know he got deeply involved in Karts and I believe he works sometimes at a place through the tunnel in or near Ilford - the guys name is Greenhall or Greenhaulgh or somethink like that. It was the shop that Dave Smith had when he was doing TWINKS and BDA's - Glen Searle/AAron should have the number. :cool:

Steve Greenald in Rainham? (Track and Road, I think it's called)

That's Steve Greenald formerly of the Lotus Service Centre!

He set up the DTA on my aged Nova.

Blimey, it's like going through an archive!! Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!

Rob.

I was at steves last night. Bloody genius in my book

Last I heard, Tim Swadkin was working for Connaught engines.

Tim Swadkin is working with Phil Price at Connaught Engines in Sittingbourne.
Talk to Alex Ribbens before talkign to Glen Searle!! Alex only just got his new engine in time for the end of thsi season

Graham your cheque for lydden wasn't cashed as you withdrew before I banked it so there is no refund owed, sorry!Thanks no probs:cool:

That's Steve Greenald formerly of the Lotus Service Centre!

He set up the DTA on my aged Nova.

Blimey, it's like going through an archive!! Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!

Rob.Maybe a data base of usefull names and numbers is call for??

Steve Greenald in Rainham? (Track and Road, I think it's called)
Track and Road in Thurrock.
Unit 9 Noak Ind Est, New Rd Wennington
Rainham Essex
RM13 9EB
Borris:cool:

Tim Swadkin is working with Phil Price at Connaught Engines in Sittingbourne.
Talk to Alex Ribbens before talkign to Glen Searle!! Alex only just got his new engine in time for the end of thsi seasonOr ask Roger, his Glen engine was a let down (aledgly).....bang:cool:

Tim is very good; he still does a few engines for people. give him a ring at Phil's.

Tim is very good; he still does a few engines for people. give him a ring at Phil's.

If you see him or talk to him tell him I am still alive - JUST !!!!

Maybe a data base of usefull names and numbers is call for??

I go back to 1973 - me thinks some numbers MAY !!!! be out of date - ish ? :rotate:

Or ask Roger, his Glen engine was a let down (aledgly).....bang:cool:
As the saying goes,those who can do,those who can't,teach!
Not very pleased with my engine from Glen.

If you need it quick, Jason Langan may be able to help.. Greenalds dyno'ed a fair few of his engines and says hes very good..

Jason Langan Hellier Performance Ltd 01992 899228

If you want to ask Steve Greenald direct about Jason .. hes on 07774773824

Thanks guys, will try all but Glen!
Borris:cool:

Or try Dave Singleton (Boss Racing) in Charlton (just off Anchor and Hope Lane). He does a very quick Vauxhall engine for Carl Boardsley (World hot rod champion).

Or try Dave Singleton (Boss Racing) in Charlton (just off Anchor and Hope Lane). He does a very quick Vauxhall engine for Carl Boardsley (World hot rod champion).
Bloody hell Rod, isnt there anyone you don't know,was down at Dave's a few months ago,very highly recomended.

Ah; that's where he went. He used to work out of a railway arch in Bexley, if my decrepid memory serves me well. I thought Pastie man had a phone full of the right names, but Rod is obviously miles ahead in the contacts game!

How about a database for people to use, as we are all scattered across the Southern part of the UK. Any in agreement?

Provisional timetable for DT&R on Nov4/5 shows practice at 0945 to 1000 on Saturday, followed by one race (race 6 of the meeting) at 15.30 approx. Second race on Sunday (race 14 of the meeting) at 13.40 approx.

Any chance of getting it all on one day?

Unlikely due to the time restrictions due to the lack of light at that time of year.

Did try, but it is a very busy, promoted meeting. At least the race on Sunday is fairly early, and there might be something happening on Saturday evening to keep you amused.

Saturday evening? Entertained? I'm intrigued!

I'll be in the Kentagon so come and drag me out when it's happening! :rofl:

is that a definate for the dtrc that is spread over the whole weekend .will have to dust the sleeping bags and tent off then . i will join you in the kentagon then jon for a couple of pints .

Yes, one race Saturday afternoon at about 3 pm, second race on Sunday about 1.30. It is a very busy meeting which will have a large crowd.

Good show Jay. I fear I may owe you a pint...

will there be room for camping rod? jon i will take you up on that pint my friend

jaysalv big thanks to russ for the throttle cable and the beer . he aint got a gearbox for a renault has he ha ha ha... will sort it soon and hopefully be ready for brands for more fun with you guys..:)

Oh dear that doesn't sound good Andy!

Camping...in november...are you crazy?! (remembering I'd be doing the same if I was at silverstone that weekend).

This should be a great meeting, I'm certainly looking forward to it!

woody passed on the message to russ .hope the repairs go well for brands .

Good to see there's a race on the Sunday but think will probably still go to WHT as a) easier to get to from Northampton after end of season do (and hangover??!!) the night before and b) closer to home when travelling back! Shame you can't win everything :( Guess there's still next season... :s

Official news from MSV, is that camping is available free of charge, but no extra facilities are provided for this meeting. Best of luck!

I'll take the 2 hour return journey and doing battle with the M25 over camping in a field with no facilities in November.

I'll bring you some coffee on the Sunday morning Jay!

Well there is showers etc in the building i the paddock...just a bit of a trek, but yes I think I'll be heading home.

There are some good local B&Bs, much cheaper than the Thistle hotel.

the hospitality down at the everglades is quite good, must be sue says so :rofl:

Lol. Its only about 25min drive home for me, and if I play my cards right I won't have to drive! ;)

well after giving much thought i have decided that the 30 min drive home is more tempting than camping in november with the other half moaning about lack of facilities (like hair straightners)lol so it will be a early start for me sunday morning with a fry up in the kentagon. see you there jon:)

Lol. Its only about 25min drive home for me, and if I play my cards right I won't have to drive! ;) Is that a hint that you'd like me to drive then?

As if I'd do such a thing! ;)

Is that a hint that you'd like me to drive then?

Its ok everyone.... its safe to drive on the day ... Chezza's getting a lift :p

Thanks for that. :p

I'm looking forward to this meeting...at the moment I have nothing to do bar watch and annoy everyone!! ;)

Thanks for that. :p

I'm looking forward to this meeting...at the moment I have nothing to do bar watch and annoy everyone!! ;)


So whats new:nyah:

<sulk>Your all horrible to me</sulk> ;)

Sue say be at Brands for beer and crisps, she has booked a couple of suites so just be there or else!!
Borris

Provisional timetable for DT&R on Nov4/5 shows practice at 0945 to 1000 on Saturday, followed by one race (race 6 of the meeting) at 15.30 approx. Second race on Sunday (race 14 of the meeting) at 13.40 approx.

Noticed second race is after Trucks !!!!! not before as in the Saturday slot, can this be changed ? we dont want to have to perform on all their crap and rubber they leave behind and at least the morning races would have cleaned the circuit a bit.

:rotate:

Guess what,my engine has just been dynoed,ran ok,power down a bit but I will be there all things being equal!
:bday2: Eric. :old:

<sulk>Your all horrible to me</sulk> ;)

Yep :rofl:



Luv ya really ;)

You always seem to go better when there is something on circuit Barry!!!

it will be a early start for me sunday morning with a fry up in the kentagon. see you there jon:)

You big Jessie... And how dare you accuse me of having a fry-up in the mornings! I'll be busy meeting and greeting with your fellow competitors.

Although if you insist...

Please insist...

You always seem to go better when there is something on circuit Barry!!!

But he won't have me in front of him spraying the track with antifreeze....

I'm doing that at Donington...

Rob.

You big Jessie... And how dare you accuse me of having a fry-up in the mornings! I'll be busy meeting and greeting with your fellow competitors.

Although if you insist...

Please insist...

jon i insist as you have yet to meet the team properly and may have the new stickers for the car see you there bright and early:p

just looked at the entry list . looking interesting good to see the greg rose merc out again and the audi tt will be a good meeting .

But he won't have me in front of him spraying the track with antifreeze....

I'm doing that at Donington...

Rob.

Thought you were going to use pure alcohol next time, s'pose I'll have to unbolt the glasses on the bonnet which were to catch the fall out !!!!!!.

It will probably be Squirrels next time Rod or is it me going NUTS - still dont forget this is my Birthday meeting when I am allowed to win OVERALL !!!!!
A mere 60 going on 26 ' ish.

:rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: :rotate: X10

happy birthday for that weekend barry . Also my birthday weekend will bring along a little something for you as a thankyou for the golf work has started on it already with a 2.0ltr engine on the way
cheers
jim(russell bradleys workmate):)

happy birthday for that weekend barry . Also my birthday weekend will bring along a little something for you as a thankyou for the golf work has started on it already with a 2.0ltr engine on the way
cheers
jim(russell bradleys workmate):)


WORKMATE Jim you dont do any work :rofl:

:rofl: WORKMATE Jim you dont do any work :rofl:
marky who you kidding you leave work before ive even had a lunch break i here what goes on at your branch

Are you two tyre fitters, or do you work for a Ford dealership?

Are you two tyre fitters, or do you work for a Ford dealership?

No we work for a big Bodyshop in Romford Essex

why you ask ??

*makes note not to go there* ;)

are you planning on breaking your car again? ;)

OI! No I'm most certainly not...its too expensive!

No we work for a big Bodyshop in Romford Essex

why you ask ??

Handy for Russell...... :rotate:

Do DTRC runners get a discount? Hopefully I won't have to use you next year, but it's worth checking. :p

Handy for Russell...... :rotate:

Do DTRC runners get a discount? Hopefully I won't have to use you next year, but it's worth checking. :p

check out my website in my profile ... may be able to work something out for you dtrc drivers . :)

It was all this talk of loafing around and not doing any work.

Tyre fitters and Ford "Technicians" came to mind, though the latter now charge ridiculous amounts for doing next to nothing.

Those who have done it before - what's a realistic travel time from Silverstone to Brands? Contemplating..

Those who have done it before - what's a realistic travel time from Silverstone to Brands? Contemplating..

2 hours(ish) I'd have thought.

That's around what I was thinking - it's two to two and a half from B'ham to Silverstone (only ever done it very early morning / late at night though).

Depending on traffic, within 2 hours. I did it last year for the WHT and got to Silverstone in 1 hour 45.
And I hadn't been there for years. :innocent:

Those who have done it before - what's a realistic travel time from Silverstone to Brands? Contemplating..
Depends on the day and time of day. Anything from 1 and 3/4 hours to 3 or more.

I know, Tim, that's the thing! I only have done similar journeys at times when traffic was quiet, not during the day (albeit a Sunday).

If you are going Sunday AM then I would think you could do it in under 2 hours. Traffic will start building later in the afternoon and be a nightmare in the evening.

happy birthday for that weekend barry . Also my birthday weekend will bring along a little something for you as a thankyou for the golf work has started on it already with a 2.0ltr engine on the way
cheers
jim(russell bradleys workmate):)

My pleasure, have fun with it

:rotate:

If we go it'll be Sun am / lunchtime ish so may be ok!

It would take a little longer if I navigated,a Tim!

:cool: It was all this talk of loafing around and not doing any work.

Tyre fitters and Ford "Technicians" came to mind, though the latter now charge ridiculous amounts for doing next to nothing.

a tyre fitter ive been called a lot in my time trust me you would not want me to fit some tyre for you . im just a plain old car sprayer

Those who have done it before - what's a realistic travel time from Silverstone to Brands? Contemplating..

Doing Brands to Silverstone evening time Sept 2005 (parts in the pouring rain) took me about 2.5.

Sunday morning, and the way sam drives will be about 2hrs or less i'd have said.

a tyre fitter ive been called a lot in my time trust me you would not want me to fit some tyre for you . im just a plain old car sprayer

In that case you could help me solve the issue of the missing paint on my front bumper...

Doing Brands to Silverstone evening time Sept 2005 (parts in the pouring rain) took me about 2.5.

Sunday morning, and the way sam drives will be about 2hrs or less i'd have said.



In that case you could help me solve the issue of the missing paint on my front bumper...

chezza that aint a problem i can have a look at it for you at brands and i promise it wont be expensive green ka isnt it

I'll probably leave it for now, but when i'm looking to sell it on I might be tempted.

It was two hours last time but you've got to bear in mind my car isn't the quickest and I may drive!

Found a piece of paper today from 1953 which calculated Beckenham to Silverstone as 173 mins.

Handy for Russell...... :rotate:

Do DTRC runners get a discount? Hopefully I won't have to use you next year, but it's worth checking. :p

Ah! so Russell was just drumming up some business at Brands earlier in the year:rofl:

Ah! so Russell was just drumming up some business at Brands earlier in the year:rofl:

lol sadly not the site wernt ready then but hey any advertising is good for business . but if you do need any bodywork done or need help with the winter rebuild then give me a shout at brands same goes for any dtrc teams

:cool:

a tyre fitter ive been called a lot in my time trust me you would not want me to fit some tyre for you . im just a plain old car sprayer

Ahh so it's not vulcanising fluid that's affecting you, it's thinners!

Mmmmmm cellulose....

Aerosols! That's what I say!

I see David Oates Tigra is for sale.
A shame, ive enjoyed watching it race this year.
Very clean smart car.

I saw that too. I'm surprised at that, as I thought he was planning to stay in DTRC next year.

There was talk of a turbo, I wonder why he's knocked that on the head? It's Class A, so he could have done pretty much anything under the present rules.

Ahh so it's not vulcanising fluid that's affecting you, it's thinners!

Mmmmmm cellulose....

Aerosols! That's what I say!

what ever rocks your boat mate lol. so we aint gonna see the blue and yellow beast at brands then?. :cool:

I saw that too. I'm surprised at that, as I thought he was planning to stay in DTRC next year.

There was talk of a turbo, I wonder why he's knocked that on the head? It's Class A, so he could have done pretty much anything under the present rules.

Under proposed new rules he would not be allowed a turbo.

Under proposed new rules he would not be allowed a turbo.

Why's that, then? Shame if the championship loses a good driver (and a good car that gets a lot of attention) because he can't develop it. The only thing stopping David winning overall is a bit more power.

I saw that too. I'm surprised at that, as I thought he was planning to stay in DTRC next year.

There was talk of a turbo, I wonder why he's knocked that on the head? It's Class A, so he could have done pretty much anything under the present rules.

he is planning to stay for next year, it just might be in somthing different,

yes there was talk of a turbo, the turbo rule has been disgussed at length and david knows there are options on the table, he also knows and understands why the rule is being considered, at this stage nothing has been finalised rule wise, so david selling the car isnt a result of a rule change.

it has to be remembered that getting the tigra winning races with outright speed will take more than just a turbo, he broke a half shaft last time out to certainly turbo power would mean an axle and gearbox upgrade, not to mention of brakes and a rethink on suspension set up and spring/damper rates. it would me a total re-engineering of the car, which is difficult to succesfully achive.

i'm guessing here but i think he may of come to the conclusion that a change of car is a better option than to spoil a well sorted car in the search for more speed, and possibly just end up with a string of poor performances or dnfs while he develops it.

Fair enough. Last time I spoke to him he seemed very keen on it.

What's the proposed turbo rule, and why?

to put it quite simply we dont want someone stuffing a 500+bhp cossy engine in a 600kg car, so the proposed rule change is that spaceframe cars cannot run with forced induction

to put it quite simply we dont want someone stuffing a 500+bhp cossy engine in a 600kg car, so the proposed rule change is that spaceframe cars cannot run with forced induction

I for one agree because many Moons ago that sort of thing got out of hand and killed off Special Saloons, even I built a space framed 1300 BDA Skoda just to stay in with a chance of good results. The same sort of problem nearly killed off the BTCC with the Super Tourers (Group A was good but Group 1 1/2 was better)

David would be well advised to sell the car as is as to do all the mods required would take time money and patients !!!!!!!!!!

I know a good Toyota for sale at a sensible price and for not a lot of money it could easily morph into 4 wheel drive plus turbo !!!!!!! All standard Toyota parts as well - who's up for a challenge ?

:woot:

A bigger challenge would be for someone to buy the BX ( a bargain at £5k inc spares) and make that a winner!

A bigger challenge would be for someone to buy the BX ( a bargain at £5k inc spares) and make that a winner!

Easi peasi - stick a jet engine in it and get the Hampster to test it !!!!! :woot: :woot:

A bigger challenge would be for someone to buy the BX ( a bargain at £5k inc spares) and make that a winner!

does that come with the gears that were missing @ lydden :rofl:

to put it quite simply we dont want someone stuffing a 500+bhp cossy engine in a 600kg car, so the proposed rule change is that spaceframe cars cannot run with forced induction I read with intrest news about rule changes next year (and the last three years come to that) could the regs be released in time to make changes to cars, and at one time so that every one has the same chance to get there cars ready in time.
It seams they get leaked via many different people at different times, this cant be fair to all, only the few. Are there not MSA rules to govern this??
Graham.

Just a quick note to Suze regarding her journey time from Silverstone to Brands, if you are planning to make the journey mid morning, beware that at that time of year there are often long queues of traffic trying to get into Lake Side!

Just a quick note to Suze regarding her journey time from Silverstone to Brands, if you are planning to make the journey mid morning, beware that at that time of year there are often long queues of traffic trying to get into Lake Side!

True, but I'd go M40 from Silverstone and drop around the bottom end of the M25 - neatly avoiding the Lakeside scrum.

Very good point Stephen and Bert.

I'll have to come past lakeside and bluewater...I'm sure it'll be fine. I keep forgetting its getting close to christmas.

Thanks Stephen and Bert - try and avoid that route as much as possible - hate the Dartford tunnel / bridge and is never helped by someone's unhelpful "if the tunnel went here we'd be ok / not" etc...!

I read with intrest news about rule changes next year (and the last three years come to that) could the regs be released in time to make changes to cars, and at one time so that every one has the same chance to get there cars ready in time.
It seams they get leaked via many different people at different times, this cant be fair to all, only the few. Are there not MSA rules to govern this??
Graham.

poteintial rule changes were published in brief talk, the barc se news letter every single registered competitor would of got a copy, thats hardly leaking.

that was done to give time for competitors to give feedback before final drafts of regs were made, once the regs are provisionally finalised (subject to msa approval) they will be released to all competitors at the same time, however all regulations remain provisional and are subject to change until MSA permit is given, as sometimes its the msa that insists on changes

In a championship with what is basically a "free-for-all" class, why shouldn't someone put a cossie engine in a space-frame car? There's still 4 other classes for people to enter that are much more stringent re: regulations.

Banning forced induction for spaceframed cars makes it almost impossible for them to compete evenly with the 4wd big bhp cars, meaning that you have to have 400+bhp and a 4wd car to stand a chance of overall wins (even at Lydden), and that means £££. I can't afford an Escort Cosworth that laps Brands in the 50s, but I might be able to afford a 300bhp LET spaceframe car that does it in the 51s or 52s. 25k vs 5k? I sat down earlier this year (before this was ever mentioned) and reasoned that the only way I could build a car that might beat Rod on a budget was to put a cossie in a spaceframe, and I reckoned I could get that car for not much over 7k (4k ex-national hot rod rolling shell, 2k for 340ish bhp cossie engine, 1k conversion costs).

I don't remember seeing rule-changes mentioned in brief torque, but if letting David Oates Tigra (for example) have a turbo means it can compete better with Rod, or Pete Wilkinson's Evo, or John Cross' Merc then I'm all for it. It's not on the same level as Special Saloons as this is one class from five (and what is already the most expensive class at that) rather than the whole championship - if the point system is sensible then you can still win the title with a road-going 205 if you and it are good enough.

I don't have a brief torque to hand, but I can assure you it was in the latest issue. Top of a right hand page iirc.

Why not fit a LS1/2/6/7 Chevy V8? - ok, they weigh more than a cosworth, but being nearly all alloy, you're looking at under 200kg for 500 easy horsepower, and shedloads of torque and rebuild it ...... sometime in the future perhaps, rather than twice a year (at least) for 500bhp of Cosworth.

poteintial rule changes were published in brief talk, the barc se news letter every single registered competitor would of got a copy, thats hardly leaking.

that was done to give time for competitors to give feedback before final drafts of regs were made, once the regs are provisionally finalised (subject to msa approval) they will be released to all competitors at the same time, however all regulations remain provisional and are subject to change until MSA permit is given, as sometimes its the msa that insists on changesThat would be fine if a copy was sent to all competitors, I have not seen one on my door step, and if it did arrive I dont think most people are aware that the regs are posted in Brief Talk for discussion before they are approved, maybe we can ask all the drivers to make sure they all know.
I hear from Jason who heard from Les who heard from Rod etc etc. The number of people who know about this system are few I think.
The term 'leaked' did not mean a BARCGate situation existed!
Graham:cool:

Do we need to have some form of drivers forum or meeting or something, where everyone can get together and discuss the rules/regs?

Remember if anyone has any suggestions and/or comments you can always submit them to a member of the committee for discussion.

Going off topic, has anyone got any spare tickets. Im not racing, but coming to spectate, but dont want to pay to get in

Its ok Andy I actually think your bringing it back on topic!

But sorry I can't help you there.

Ok.. going off topic again ... my slant on the rule changes and what i intend to do ...

Get a 4 door saloon say a Mondeo ... and strip it out in Oct
November ... cut all the floor pan out and fit a ALMS tub in it
December ... stick all the Alms suspension and wheels on it
Get the bodywork made in Carbon/Kevlar ..(ok it may change shape a bit)
New Year ... turn up on the test day with the Class winning Aston Martin from the ALMS ... but it was a Mondeo ..honest ... :-)


I think having N/A spaceframed cars and Turbo'ed Monocoque Cars is a good match, Davids engine was down on power I belive he said... now put a 300bhp 2.5 L Duratec in there and see what times he does... he wasnt that far behind Rod... and maybe a few aero changes for faster cornering and he would be a winner....

Thats an interesting mondeo...

Nice Mondeo retro :)

Nice Mondeo retro :)

Thats the point ... its a Mondeo in name only :p

The car must retain some aspects of the original ...

Oh and i'm not building it ...

Going off topic, has anyone got any spare tickets. Im not racing, but coming to spectate, but dont want to pay to get in

Have'nt got any through yet but I'm sure we can help out with a couple,depends how many they give us,such along time since I'v done this series.:D

will this be rolling starts or standing starts..do i watch the start from the grid or from paddock bend mmmmm;)

Finals arrived today - 4 personnel tickets and 2 vehicle passes.

Standing start for both races.

Hope the newly found gears stay in place at least for the starts.

Can i please get in the queue for any spare tickets after Andy?

paddock bend it is i think listern out for the air horn racers and good luck...:)

Do we need to have some form of drivers forum or meeting or something, where everyone can get together and discuss the rules/regs?

Remember if anyone has any suggestions and/or comments you can always submit them to a member of the committee for discussion.

With a day between races perhaps some time this weekend could be used for a discussion of any proposed new rules.

Thats a very good idea.

Already arranged, post race on Saturday. Venue will be notified to all interested on the day. At least it will be warm and not far from the paddock.

I'll be there

Will it be possible to see the results of the discussion on Saturday? I can't make it to Brands but I'd be interested to hear the suggestions.

I'm sure we can make it that the meeting is minuted in some form so that all the suggestions/discussions/result of discussion can be seen by those who aren't there. (No i'm not offering)! ;)

Already arranged, post race on Saturday. Venue will be notified to all interested on the day. At least it will be warm and not far from the paddock.
Will this include rules for the tintops?

I,ll be there to andy

I'll take the minutes ;)

Thanks for the offer Chezza!

It is the DTRC regs that we will be discussing at this meeting, these have to be set by us and then approved by the MSA as it is a championship. The tin-tops is a series and so we have more freedom to set and change the regs as the season progresses, should it be necessary.

If you have any comments about the Tin-tops you are more than welcome to submit them by PM or email to me and I will make sure that they are discussed at a committee meeting and I will provide feedback.

You know full well I didn't say that Jamie!

regarding tins tops,

all suggestions are welcome and will be listened to pm or email probably best options, to avoid confusion it might not be a good idea to discuss at the same time as DTRC,

i have a draft set of tin top regs in progress,

the general idea is not to have to many rules, those we do will be along DTRC lines, but no engine or cylinderhead swaps, steel bodied cars only, classes will be split on engine cc/ list 1A/1B tyres

the current thinking is that TIN Tops could be a feeder/overflow for the less radically modified DTRC cars

What is the difference between Tin Tops and DTRC and why do you need yet another race series?

ok, there are quite a lot of cars and drivers around who cannot get into DTRC because its too full or find it too competitive a championship to start racing in, or simply dont want to race cars on treaded tyres against slick shod cars, as you know DTRC runs predominatly on slicks, tin tops doesnt allow slicks.

or because not everyone is happy racing a saloon car against sports cars in southern sports and saloons, we are only responding to a demand, feed back after the first tin top race was excellent and if the rumor mill is correct there could be several new faces to racing next year, because they have seen somewhere they can race with a decent but not fiercely competitive grid.

also it gives us more freedom to give what drivers want, we certainly wont be running DTRC,SSS and TT all at once.

Exactly.

Tin-tops also isn't allowing 4wd.

Many of the new to racing drivers are a bit worried about doing into DTRC as there is a huge difference in speed of the cars anyway, without the possibility of being slower due to being new to everything.

This is also possibly going to act as a feeder series for DTRC.

Im racing in the DT&R on Saturday and Sunday. I'm bringing my son Josh, he's seven. Does anyone know of a competitor that brings similar age kids with them, that may be willing to keep an eye on him while I'm doing my bit. I dont usually take him on my own, but I'm a bit stuck this weekend. He's a good lad (usually!).

a fair few competitors bring kids with them i wouldnt of thought you would have a big issue there

Hello! Anyone know where I can get a complete entry list for both Saturday & Sunday? Thank you!! Sal ;)

for just the DTRC or for all the races that weekend?

for just the DTRC or for all the races that weekend?
For all the races please! Thank you..........

Sorry no can do I'm afraid. I don't know if there is anything listed on BARCs website, but the only definative answer is from the commentator on the day.

Sorry no can do I'm afraid. I don't know if there is anything listed on BARCs website, but the only definative answer is from the commentator on the day.

No worries Chezza-if you don't ask...!! I've had a look on the BARC website & can't seem to find this so have dropped an email to one of their contacts-fingers crossed!

Sal :rotate:

Sal, there are quite often racers who turn up on the day and so official entry lists are on occasion out of date. We wll look forward to seeing you at Brands this weekend and it looks like the weather should be nice to boot!

Sal, there are quite often racers who turn up on the day and so official entry lists are on occasion out of date. We wll look forward to seeing you at Brands this weekend and it looks like the weather should be nice to boot!

Good point Stephen-thank you! We'll definately be there on Saturday it's just nice to get an idea of what/who to expect out on track before the big day itself. Patience is a virtue I guess!! Pleased to hear the weather should be behaving itself too! Can't wait!!

Sal :winner:

I wouldn't leave the wet weather gear at home...just in case :rolleyes:

I wouldn't leave the wet weather gear at home...just in case :rolleyes:

Another good point...will make sure I come prepared (I've spent many a wet, but, happy day at Paddock Hill)!!

Sal :hallo:

I'm buying something to go over my camera lens this time. I'm not being caught out like at the FFF again!

See you guys on Saturday morning. I'll be wandering around the paddock looking heavy-eyed and loitering around the Desperado Golf in the hope of being bought a bacon buttie! (and... cue the abuse from jay!)

Me too! My camcorder got soaked..and we only came on the Saturday...(chickened out of Sunday)!!

Sal

I'm buying something to go over my camera lens this time. I'm not being caught out like at the FFF again!

I used a plastic bag at the WTCC meeting. Worked fine. Nice dry camera, smug Bert due to improvisation skills :)

The truck meeting at Brands last year was somewhat wet - but great fun, should be even better with the TRC posse there as well.

I used a plastic bag at the WTCC meeting. Worked fine. Nice dry camera, smug Bert due to improvisation skills :)

Like your style-may well do the same then! Elastic bands might be handy too....

Sal :)

Like your style-may well do the same then! Elastic bands might be handy too....

Aaaah. The top of the range option ;)

Well BARC do have the timetable available so you know what series are going to be there, but as for exactly who...its all a big mystery!

Certainly looking forward to the DTRC, legends and the trucks!

All this talk of wet weather...what is the forecast, I haven't looked yet!

edit: sunny and 11 deg C on saturday...although getting chilly at night...down to -2 it reckons!

I'm buying something to go over my camera lens this time. I'm not being caught out like at the FFF again!

See you guys on Saturday morning. I'll be wandering around the paddock looking heavy-eyed and loitering around the Desperado Golf in the hope of being bought a bacon buttie! (and... cue the abuse from jay!)

and here it is jon (the abuse) a bacon buttie!!!!!! we are a racing team not a greasy spoon lol:rofl: well seeing as you are buying me a pint in the kentagon lunchtime i will see what i can do my friend ...

happy halloween everyone ...

The DT&R entry list and timetable is on my website. There are 20 trucks booked in (Ross Garrett, the Powells, Stuart Oliver, Steve Horne etc..), about 20 Legends, 22 Pickups, 6 Renault Clios mixed with Classic Thunder and Classic Group Ones (15), Formula Renault, and Formula woman nations Cup (whatever that is??, no details anywhere)

20 trucks? :ouch:

Methinks I'm going to ask for a post on the GP loop. :relax:

and Formula woman nations Cup (whatever that is??, no details anywhere)
Whatever it is, there appear to be 14 or 15 blokes in it?

It's not Formula Woman Nations Cup, it's Formula Woman Partners Race. 40 min 2 driver race with a male/female pairing in each car.
http://www.formulawoman.com/news/read-news.php?id=125

Is that a bit like Celebrity Wife Swap on Wheels?

regarding tins tops,

all suggestions are welcome and will be listened to pm or email probably best options, to avoid confusion it might not be a good idea to discuss at the same time as DTRC,

i have a draft set of tin top regs in progress,

the general idea is not to have to many rules, those we do will be along DTRC lines, but no engine or cylinderhead swaps, steel bodied cars only, classes will be split on engine cc/ list 1A/1B tyres

the current thinking is that TIN Tops could be a feeder/overflow for the less radically modified DTRC carsSounds like a good idea will see you all on Sat, Any spare tickets? need two.
graham x:cool:

i'll be there although at the mo it looks like i'm going to have to pay to get in!

*makes mental note to ask for an extra Observers report pad at sign on*

Hopefully you won't be needing that for our series though Stephen!

BBC weather forecast predicts "bright and sunny both days, 11 degrees".

i'll be there although at the mo it looks like i'm going to have to pay to get in! 30 competors = 60 tickets must be a way to get wounded competors in without paying?
Borris:cool:

Tickets seem to be in short supply for this meeting, especially as some of the competitors don't seem to have had theirs yet!

30 competors = 60 tickets must be a way to get wounded competors in without paying?
Borris:cool:

30 competitors = 120 tickets

If you can't get a free ticket, buy one! It makes sense, do the numbers.

£180 entry fee saved - 2 entry tickets (assuming you are bringing a girlfriend/wife/mistress) - 2 full English brekkies means you are £150 to the good.:rofl:

Right, definately shooting pictures trackside now. I'll be strolling around the paddock both mornings so if you see a young bloke with a laptop and camera then collar me for a chat.

See you Saturday peeps!

What's the news from today? WHT is not too cold - surprising!

What's the news from today? WHT is not too cold - surprising!
The trucks were smelly. :yuk:

Correct, but the sun was shining :)

Post 22 if you are there and wandering around tomorrow Tim.

Where's 22 Stephen?

Clearways, exit from the GP loop

Great race between rod and greg.

Rick may 0 pit exit wall 1. But well done in race mate 27 to 9th

And Rick got a trophy for his efforts (third in class) because Nigel Craig came in the pit lane instaed of taking the chequered.

NO he passed him 2 laps from the end through paddock but well done in the race Rod

Did anyone else see that cow cross in front of me ? I'm sure Barry did !

A BIG THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED TO GET MY CAR BACK IN THE RACE.:rotate:

Sorry Rick, you did very well. Greg got driver of the race and Andy Woods-Dean "best prepared car". Barry Barnes has gone for a lay down to get ready for tomorrow's encounter, and to takethe "medicine".

Medicine??
Would that be the North Kent Moooooo 'nshine ? :rofl:

One assumes that there was a spot of carnage on the first lap of race 2 then? According to the result sheet for the race where Messrs Hosken, Ribbens, Wells, Ahmed, and Dodwell didnt make the restart....

Looks like Greg put up a fight too!

Rob.

Nothing that a bit of T Cut wont sort out ;)

Two great races between Rod and Greg, well done to both.

Nothing that a bit of T Cut wont sort out ;)

What about my front bumper bar,someone should have been directing me onto the trailer correctly.:p
A great race but dont those Pugs go now.

You were directed correctly, you are just not supposed to drive at racing speed and also stopping when you get on helps as well, what about my bent tyre rack and tool box?

Never mind,I did keep it on four wheels though.

:) what a great weekend loads to talk about a big congratulations to russell bradley on taking 3rd in class in both races well done russ....another 2 trophys for team desperados and a cracking way to end the season ..

Well done guys for a couple of great races and a fantastic end to the season.

Shame about the ones going home looking sorry for themselves, but a great weekend none the less.

Roll on the dinner dance and next season!!

yep well done russ drove a good race and not much damage i here unlike me and a few others with a bit of body and suspension damage:mad:

Brilliant weekend's racing, topped off by Sue getting a ride in Stuart oliver's race truck around the Indy Circuit. Must say a big thank you to all the drivers in the DT&R championship for making it such an enjoyable and friendly championship. Really thought Greg Rose drove very well in both races.
Pity about the accident in the first start today, no blame was apportioned although Kevan Wells incident was seperate to the others on bottom straight. No doubt Russell Bradley has some video footage of what happened. Eric, you were on two wheels at one point.

http://www.rodbirley.com/images/11.5.06_12.JPG

Go to the usual place website to find out who this was showing their bottom.

Good stuff again today folks :)

Unfortunate for many on the first lap but some great racing once everything got going. I thought Greg Rose did very well in both races and pushed Rod home (figuratively speaking ;) ). Good scraps as usual throughout the rest of the field - more of the same next year please :)

yep rod we have the whole race on onboard camera and our camera at paddock bend and captured all the action and should be on the team website soon ( as soon as our It technician comes back from sunning himself in australia)
shame about some of the damage you guys sustained jon bryant has loads of good pics of all of you if you interested

I'm afraid I can beat you there Shawn...! Was standing right in line although got 900 images to get thru first (lots of you DTRC boys of course...). When they're done then I'll post it here.

Saturdays images are up online but if you can't see yourself then send me an e-mail via the button!

www.snappyracers.com/album/Brands041106

Will have some onboard and trackside film soon,good fun though,sorry to see so much damage on virtualy the last race of the season.

http://www.snappyracers.com/album/Brands051106/slides/TrucksSun-340.jpg

Rest of the images on the site. Due to a technological breakthrough (I learnt something new in Photoshop!) Sunday's photos are up online aswell now!

www.snappyracers.com/album/Brands051106

was watching the vid back last night and was amazed at how much air the little fiesta and the escort had at one piont all wheels are off the floor... anyone with any trouble getting parts for there cars or in need of a hand give me a shout im sure we can help(work in a large bodyshop )

I feel sorry for Tim Dodwell, he'd made his way past the cars on the back straight when he was hit from behind and pushed into the barrier in a totally unnecessary accident seperate to the main crash.
I suspect he was hit by one of those who came flying by those of us slowing after graham hill bend, in spite of waved yellows, and a partially blocked track ahead.

From my posistion ( behind both) ,it was quite clear that on both first lap accidents this weekend we were going to have a red flag and yet on both some from behind seemed to view slowing cars as an chance to make places. I think some of us maybe need to keep a keener eye out for flags and what's happening more than just one car ahead.

Nova 79

i rather wonder if tim actually went off on oil from erics fiesta as his two wheeling stunt popped a drive shaft out the gearbox, as there wasnt any visable damage to the back of tims car apart from impact damage from the armaco, incidently the COC's view of the whole incident was that the first accident was a racing incident, which having had a birds eye view of i agree with, the cars were well round graham hill when it happened, but the audi was very slow getting away, all the turo horse power should of lept away from the peugoet, as as for the second with tim, they saw it as he had his own accident, and no other parties were to blame,

as a third party its very easy to accuse drivers of pressing one when they shouldnt, BUT, they are racing, and until a red flag is put out its still a race, many a time a car spins or something happens which looks like a red flag incident but moments later isnt,

what i really cannot understand is how the honda did what it did after the red flag

its a cruel game really, the difference between a fantastic pass and really close racing and a big shunt is meassured sometimes in mm.

i still stay the DTRC stands out, in the way it has fiercely competitive and very close racing, but despite whats now being discussed hear clean racing.

ultimatly we must all bear in mind that when we drive onto to the circuit we may not be able to drive off it again,

for those that feel DTRC is a little too competitive for some tastes and have cars that run on treaded tyres may i suggest they take a closer look at our tin top series for which regs will soon be available

what i really cannot understand is how the honda did what it did after the red flag

Err... Ask Mr Barnes! :D

Or look on my website! :laugh:

Err... Ask Mr Barnes! :D

Or look on my website! :laugh:

having watched the incident back on video there is the slightest of contact from barry when the honda moves in front of him completly unaviodable and it was suprising the honda rolled as it seemed to slow down but the back wheel dug in and the rest is history..
the second incident on film shows a spin from the tt and the other cars having no room to avoid it .
a sorry end to the season for some but still some excellent races the two that stand out are rod and gregs battle an the bx/ megan/ and russell bradleys battle for 3rd in class.still what happened to chris adams back end did not see that .:cool:

The problem with accidents like the one in race 2 is that as a driver you just have to be lucky to avoid any of tye cars involved. Spinning and swerving in all possible ways to avoid bigger carnage.
Eric's two wheel trip was a bit worrying to see as he went in a very odd angle (roof first) towards the armco. Luckily the twowheeling ended at the right spot.
Shame about the crash, but it happens once and a while.

I know that I'm very close to DTRC, but there is no need for you guys to start giving me extra work. :rant:

:rotate: :rotate: Well done to all.

what happened to chris adams back end did not see that .:cool:
wot happend woz honda nipped inside bx at druids and sent gary sideways but did not pull away as quick as we all thought and the bx went into the back of the honda denting the rear but gary lost the front bumper/head lamp which i then ran over all a bit unpleasant really.http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/images/icons/icon34.gif

what i really cannot understand is how the honda did what it did after the red flag

You probably had a better view of this than us, but I suspect the Honda and toyota didn't pass a red flag at the startline as the startline marshall seemed to be bringing it out as our group came onto the main straight. In which case they may have seen it first at paddock or even not at all.

Personally, I have no problem with the series being very competitive, knowing that as soon as you manage to edge away from someone behind you catch someone else, or if your passed they may be slowed when they catch the next car, giving you the chance to catch up, makes this series great.

Though I really like standing starts, especially when russell B decides to go in reverse :) , maybe we would have been more spread out by a roller and the results would have been less dramatic.

on the subject of starts the drivers are truly split 50/50 in preference over the standing/rolling start so 2007 will continue to be a mixture

on the subject of starts the drivers are truly split 50/50 in preference over the standing/rolling start so 2007 will continue to be a mixture

i think the standing starts as a spectator are better to watch i think it comes down to drivability rather than the rolling starts giving the faster cars an advantage.ok i agree that this causes more incidents to happen but a standing start always throws up a few suprises. if that makes any sense.does anyone know the final championship positions ?

this isnt offical but it should be correct

championship and
class A Rod Birley WRC Escort
Class B Nigel Craig mk2 escort
class C Richard Gane honda integra
Class D Greg pye Alfa sud sprint
Class E Richard Brent peugoet 205

Im very interested in the Tin tops for 07 with my much improved Mini and
032R yokos so please keep me posted!

this isnt offical but it should be correct

championship and
class A Rod Birley WRC Escort
Class B Nigel Craig mk2 escort
class C Richard Gane honda integra
Class D Greg pye Alfa sud sprint
Class E Richard Brent peugoet 205

thanks but we (team desperados) are wondering how close we were to 3rd in class c overall

arhh sorry i havnt a full set of results so i cant tell you,
results most likely to appear first on a certain WRC ecsort drivers website

arhh sorry i havnt a full set of results so i cant tell you,
results most likely to appear first on a certain WRC ecsort drivers website

mmmmmm wonder whos site that is lol:rofl:

:innocent:
currently waiting for them to appear in my inbox. The minute I get them they will be on...unless of course I am stuck at work.

But hey, in the mean time why don't you all log on and buy some tools instead? :fnar:

(do some nice hammers)

just caught up with the web-site and Pastie Man/Mr Newton; obvious Jackie and I missed some blinding racing etc, although I am glad I took a rain check on the crashes.!! The poor Fiesta has been re-built more times than Plato's Seat(lol) this season. Dont think it could have taken much more damage. George has it all back running, so hope to see you all out next season, 1st race! Will be at D & D. Sorry to hear about Tim and Alex's crashes.

Glad to hear about some good decisions on rule alterations for '07.
Good crowd at Brands as well; Well done to all the class winners O/A.
Who told Eric he could go so fast with his new Fiesta engine!!?!
Now getting withdrawl symptoms, so hope to see some of you at the Excel show. Can't wait to get the Nomex back on; trouble is the new job is taking me all over the country. Them Northerners are rather strange when they go out drinking !!!!!

PS: sounds like next seasons registrations are going to surpass this year.
How many races can the DTRC series have at any one meeting??
We could easily be into double races a la Lydden all year round.

thanks but we (team desperados) are wondering how close we were to 3rd in class c overall


Hargreaves 167.5
Bradley 165.5

Oh Gary (Carrera) you spoilt the suspense!! Bets were being placed on the outcome. Just waiting for the official confirmation but it might be two points difference 167.5 against 165.5. Still mighty close. Barry (I am having a birthday soon) Barnes was closing in as well with 148.5.
Congratulations to Carrera on finishing runner up in class C (and highest non Japanese car). I had an e-mail from your Falkland Islands supporters club wishing you good luck.... I should have mentioned it before the meeting, sorry.

Glad to say I have found out the reason why I managed to equal Les Beer's record of having no wheels touching the black stuff.All to do with having an Indian the saturday night,internal combustion forced the car into the air,nothing to do with racing incidents.Did go well,very pleased with the car,seemed to go better after the minor incident than before,may do saturady if everything is ok on the car but may have a bit of suspension damage.

I think I may try and follow you guys around next year. Excellent racing, great variety, friendly people (some even bought me beer!) and a good community spirit.

Incidentally I will be putting all the images online in their own gallery for sort of a season review. This will be every usable image of every car throughout the year so you'll find yourself. Unfortunately I only started with you guys in July so... It's a big project tho so give me a week!

Video here (http://www.tkracing.co.uk/videos/brands5nov.wmv) It may take a few minutes to load

PS: sounds like next seasons registrations are going to surpass this year.
How many races can the DTRC series have at any one meeting??
We could easily be into double races a la Lydden all year round.

the problem chris is cost, lydden has a small grid size and is a relativly cheap place for us to hire so it can be done there, but as popular as we are we just dont yet have enough numbers for two lots of full grids at places like brands, without charging a stupidly high entry fee, or somehow getting every single registered competitor to enter

Video here (http://www.tkracing.co.uk/videos/brands5nov.wmv) It may take a few minutes to load

Tim,

That's not wmv format according to my Windoze Media Player - it's Windows PVR-MS format for personal video recording.

Rob.

2 points in it for russ that is mad just to think if he never went off at lydden and finished that race he would have done it but hey thats racing for you oh well never mind . the golf will be back next year but maybe with a new driver .
watch this space ...
my golf might make a guess apperance next year too providing the build goes to plan