BRDA Secures MSA British Championship - 2009

Had the press release that the BRDA have secured the title of the MSA British Rallycross Championship until 2009, in part because the championship has backing for this period due to the title sponsorship from Kumho.

KUMHO may be the title sponsor but the tyre users will be the real sponsors as they will be paying about £50 more per tyre than the rallying guys can get them for!!!. Just think if i buy 6 dry tyres and four wets thats £500 NOW THATS WHAT I CALL SPONSORSHIP!!!!!!!!!! The good ? news is price rises are limited to 7% per year!!!. Stockhatch will also benefit? from the deal when Yokohama deal ends!!.

KUMHO may be the title sponsor but the tyre users will be the real sponsors as they will be paying about £50 more per tyre than the rallying guys can get them for!!!. Just think if i buy 6 dry tyres and four wets thats £500 NOW THATS WHAT I CALL SPONSORSHIP!!!!!!!!!! The good ? news is price rises are limited to 7% per year!!!. Stockhatch will also benefit? from the deal when Yokohama deal ends!!.

But everybody wants TV coverage and a better Championship it has to financed some how.

If thats the case why not be up front about it and put it on the entry fees instead of HIDING IT behind the mask of so called SPONSORSHIP?!!!!!!

TV money was on the entry's all last year

Still on the entries this year!

So it is financed on the entry fee AND on the higher priced tyres from kumho, i wonder how many competitors expected that one?!!!. Not to mention they cant use the tyres they already own and that their cars have been designed for!!!!!!

So it is financed on the entry fee AND on the higher priced tyres from kumho, i wonder how many competitors expected that one?!!!. Not to mention they cant use the tyres they already own and that their cars have been designed for!!!!!!

At the end of the day was it the competitors that choose to go down this route or did the brda take it upon themselfs to do this?

At the end of the day was it the competitors that choose to go down this route or did the brda take it upon themselfs to do this?
I understand that most competitors did not have a clue about what was being done until it was a done deal.

KUMHO £50 more per tyre than the rallying guys can get them for!!!. Just think if i buy 6 dry tyres and four wets thats £500

So the tyres cost 50 pounds each, and they cost 50 pounds more than at rallies?
Do you (or anyone else) have a source to claim this 50 pounds price difference? Is it even allowed to charge more for the same product at one event than the other?

Another point. Do these tyres last longer? If so any additional cost will be offset by the longevity.

The SAME TYRE cannot last longer can it?

Sorry I meant the alternative tyres currently in use.

Sorry I meant the alternative tyres currently in use.
Wont last as long as Avons, in supercar maybe 3 races or at a push possibly a full meeting. Rallying they seem to manage about 3 stages with 300+bhp,with 700bhp supercars thats my guess.

I also wonder if many (any) of the stockhatch guys realise that a deal has already been done to supply them with kumhos (at a price!!) as soon as the Yokohama deal ends.

Hey bestrep what is:Shrug: your problem with kumho and tyres they will last the whole meeting and longer all depends how good the car is set up !

I also wonder if many (any) of the stockhatch guys realise that a deal has already been done to supply them with kumhos (at a price!!) as soon as the Yokohama deal ends.

Yes we did, not being hidden is it

The switch from Yokos to Kumhos is well documented on the BRDA website and was also mentioned in the Motorsport News article so I'd imagine most are aware of it as Hal says. Is there a problem with Stock Hatches switching tyre brands?

No Bert. Plently of warning so we dont all buy tyres for next year at the end of this so I see no issue.

The switch from Yokos to Kumhos is well documented on the BRDA website and was also mentioned in the Motorsport News article so I'd imagine most are aware of it as Hal says. Is there a problem with Stock Hatches switching tyre brands?
Only if they cost more than YOKOS, which they will, to pay as BRDA and MSA promotional kick backs, ie , over priced and ripping off the competitor!!!.

How are you being constructive here?

How are you being constructive here?
Just saying it how it is thats all.

Everyone can see the tyre deal for themselves theres no need to bang on about it. Dont care if you agree with it or not, its here to stay, so look for the positives!

Tyres are always a big deal no matter how you look at it.

In historics if you want to comply with FIA App K you need to run Dunlop L or M section tyres. There is no compromise. They act differently to any other tyre but everybody runs them.

In my series we have to run Dunlop D84's although my car suits a slick of any kind. I pay for them even though they are also a sponsor of the series.

At the end of the day it is the same for everybody so I really can't see the big deal here.

I do understand that the timing of the decision was, let's say, a bit late, but it has secured the championship for two more years so let's applaud the BRDA for that shall we?

to our latest spanner in the works going by the nae of 'bestrep' .
have you ever tried kumho tyres in rallycross ? i use them on the front of my TT and they last around 2-3 full meetings and the rear tyres lasted all season......hmm cannot complain about that tyre wear can you.

as for price i dont know what you pay for rallytyres but the Kumho's are cheaper than the rallycross avons.

The BRDA ( which for you who dont know stands for British Rallycross DRIVERS Association ) have worked very hard to improve our national championship.

With John Horton, Andy stevens and Dave Bellerby to name but a few working there arses off for the better of our championship why dont we support them and not critise everything they do. OK Rant over now !

Soooo, do we want to bang on about tyres or should we think about how a stable championship can increase/improve entries? ;)

gvm, did you run Kumho rallycross tyres or moulded rally tyres - there is a big difference.

Hint. This post is off topic, what do you think the thread title means? If you want to discuss tyres either do it by pm or open a thread detailing your findings.

to our latest spanner in the works going by the nae of 'bestrep' .
have you ever tried kumho tyres in rallycross ? i use them on the front of my TT and they last around 2-3 full meetings and the rear tyres lasted all season......hmm cannot complain about that tyre wear can you.

as for price i dont know what you pay for rallytyres but the Kumho's are cheaper than the rallycross avons.

The BRDA ( which for you who dont know stands for British Rallycross DRIVERS Association ) have worked very hard to improve our national championship.

With John Horton, Andy stevens and Dave Bellerby to name but a few working there arses off for the better of our championship why dont we support them and not critise everything they do. OK Rant over now !

Couldn't agree more Mick!

There are people behind the scenes putting their heart and sole into making this championship work, not just for 2007, but the future of the sport, and its about time they got some credit on here instead of constant slating!

Mr Moderator - i was responding to comments by Mallett, Golfvanman, Mel and Bestrep all about TYRES. The 2007 championship is sponored by Kumho who make TYRES. Whats your problem.

See your pms.

There may be some crossed wires here. The tyre deal helped the BRDA get the British Championship deal - despite widespread criticism of the BRDA. It means the BRDA has more cash to run the championship - but this is paid for through what many see as a 'stealth tax' on competitors - people have to pay 'premium prices' for a particular tyre.

It will be worth it if the extra money makes a difference to the MSA championship - but will it? Will it pay for a round at Brands? Will we see the BRDA promoting their championship as effectively as others promote the open championship? Will it help get an ERC round back? If it does then all credit to them but its not been handled very well so far.

We wont be going to Brands again as it doesnt have a rallycross track anymore!

And i'm sure the BRDA have plans for the benifit of the championship with the sponsorship.

That's why I posted this http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1877376&postcount=23.

I don't see any direct benefit from buying my tyres but the organisers I race with get the funding to provide better events for me to enter. I think that we need to refocus and think what the BRDA can do with this money that will benefit the sport, not criticise them for imposing a "stealth tax" (an unfortunate term), because clearly things need to be done. And to close the tyre thing in this thread. You can't race on rims. ;)

I take your point Peter but I think you have to bear in mind that rallycross has always been basically a relatively low cost clubman sport. It's very 'cost sensitive' - when costs rise people tend to leave!

So often people have said they need to raise more money to take the sport forward and what has happened? Competitors are forced to pay more and gradually drift away. We all know what happenend in the 90s when people tried to make it 'commercial' - the sport almost died. Then there was the Xenogamy farce a couple of years ago which forced the MDA out.

If the BRDA spend the money on better advertising, a good tv deal and attracting new competitors (perhaps with discount entry fees?) then that's great. But don't call it a 'sponsorship deal' when its actually a marketing deal to sell tyres to a captive market. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing but you should be upfront about it - otherwise a row starts! ;)

Hmm,

Not going to argue but looking at the prices of second hand cars I'd suggest that low cost is very relative. ;)

"Cost sensitive" applies very much to all forms of the sport and I guess its more important to examine the value in things that are done. To that extent, at first glance this looks like a very valuable deal for the sport. I do agree that costs are likely to increase but the possible benefits are greater.

Edit: I've just gone through something quite similar in my part of the sport. Its funny how different things look when you give them time.

Yes, I think there could be positives in this deal - but it all depends on how the money is spent!

Originally we were invited to comment on the MSA championship deal. Is the sport healthy after several years of a BRDA-run MSA championship? There are fewer drivers overall, there is little mainstream media exposure, several tracks have recently closed or become unavailable, we have no venue suitable to host an ERC round, we still run to 'outlaw' regs in our official national championship, there is now a 'breakaway' national championship and there is a lot of bad feeling around.

There is a lot of work still to be done!

Yes, I think there could be positives in this deal - but it all depends on how the money is spent!

There is a lot of work still to be done!

You can say that again!

But maybe this initiative will do it. Let's not throw the baby out with the water.

Will the BRDA be providing more/better info on its plans now that it has a medium term grip on the championship?

Hey Winnie Mike Boak Kevin McCann Mike Sellar Russell Etherington Ian O Connel use the MOULDED RALLY TYRE . Where did the T T Finish in the Championship ???? :p