AMoffat 15 May 2001, 12:21 OK race fans
Lets run this one up the flag pole and see who salutes!
No lies now...
Alright if you insist I'll start...
Age 18 and 19, illegal street drags, don't know, to busy to look at the speedometer.
Recently, on a nice wide country backroad, 8am Saturady morning, drapped seductively over a Yamaha R1, myself with over developed right wrist (now, now) speed 251 klms/hr indicated on the digital read out.
elephino 15 May 2001, 13:06 Well I haven't gone that fast, though I think my car can do it if only just. The fastest I've been is 165km/h. Before that was 155km/h and I'm only pointing this out as I would have gone faster except the undulating road made the car move around so much over the rises that it was impossible to safely go faster. In fact 155 was pushing it.
But then I have only driven on max limit of 110km/h roads. One day I will go to the Northern Territory in a nice sports car of some description and work my way up to a 200+ speed after a few runs. Have to get used to a car at that speed first.
I have hit 185km/h in a road car at Eastern Creek. A Holden Statesman, but that was just spooky as the back end was moving around so much. A Vectra at 180km/h was so much smoother and nicer.
mtpanorama 15 May 2001, 14:05 Mazda rx3 race car that i had was also road registered ,flat out at 175km/h.
ED XR6 on the way to wakefeild Park, speedo off the clock at 200km/h and pulled another 600rpm and with my rough calculations worked out to be about 220-225km/h. Not bad for a family sedan:)
but the fastest i have been was on the back of a motorbike at eastern creek. It was a 1997 Ex factory Ducatti superbike. About 260 or a bit above down the main straight at eastern creek whilst sitting on the rear fairing and hanging on for dear life. But what a blast:cool:
AMoffat 15 May 2001, 14:10 Far out Mount,
Riding ***** (sorry) on a Ductai at 260. That's maximum brave pills in my book.
Who was on the front seat??
I did 335 Kph in a Lambo once - was heading to 350 when my brother hit the reset button on the playstation ;)
Fast in the WRX was about 210, I think it could go faster, but I could'nt. I was on a back road in near Bendigo, and suddenly the thought of a Roo came acroos my mind and what that would do to me at that speed. So, I don't do that anymore. I yeah, then theres the fact I have one point left on my licence..........
i did 180kmh for a while down the m11 age 17 on new years day morning 2000. car will go little faster with more downforce. engine not dead yet :)
AMoffat 15 May 2001, 14:16 This all sounds like a job for Lamboman,
I mean Laxman!
Need For Speed~!
mtpanorama 15 May 2001, 14:22 Who was on the front seat??
it was a guy i know by the name of Geoff whitaker. He owns a Ducatti shop in Penrith called REDS MOTORCYCLES. He races a lot in the BEARS catagory.
I have reached an indicated 127 mph in my 90 Honda CRX Si. I've only had the Focus up to 110 mph as of yet. I have been over an indicated 140 mph in the back seat of a souped up Mustang GT.
AMoffat 15 May 2001, 15:18 Originally posted by mtpanorama
it was a guy i know by the name of Geoff whitaker. He owns a Ducatti shop in Penrith called REDS MOTORCYCLES. He races a lot in the BEARS catagory.
Good one,
Don't know the guy but know the shop and a mate who spends his pay there trying to get a 900 SS going
ok,
im here.thx to an invitation by wrex.
I really havent pushed teh car on any public roads.however there is an old runway nearby(not in use) where i have tried several times.The speedo showed me around 220mph which is funny because the top speed is supposed to be just below 210mph.
you really cant rely on those.BTW what was the digital speedo about?How does it calculate teh speed??
Surely it cant be much diff from the clock type one!!
It is probably just a digital display.
Hans.ca 15 May 2001, 16:59 After dropping my boss off at the airport in Dusseldorf I drove his BMW at 270 km and in less the 30 minutes almost ended up in Holland rather then Dortmund near where my office was. It was a blast but many people go faster on the autobahn.
My car only reaches 110... :( Probably pretty lucky that though...! :)
Have been rather faster as a passenger in a 'borrowed' Sierra Cossie, but that was a long time ago and I don't get involved with that sort of thing anymore... scarey stuff!
In '84, my racing partner and I flew from Minneapolis to New York to retrieve and return a Lambo Countach which was in New Jersey getting US emission control installed.
We drove the car back stoping only for fuel. Because overheating was a concern with the new equipment on, I did not reach over 110 or 120 (MPH)....
....so, my entry as fastest on the streets goes back to 1969. The father of a friend of mine just got a Dodge Coronet "Super Bee". A killer car with a Mopar 440 Hemi and three two barrel carbs (the infamous "six pack"). I sat in the back seat with my heart in my throat as we sped down a country road at up to 140mph. I thought my glimpse at the speedo was going to be the last thing I ever saw.
Kids, do NOT try this at home.
I know I've been over 100mph on my Honda Sabre, but I was too focused to glimpse downward.
Oh I just knew that this topic would pop up sooner or later.........
As Neil thoughtfully mentioned, Kids, do NOT try this at home and not anywhere where you'll hurt anyone else (there, got my dad instincts out of the way)
When I owned bikes, the fastest would do 180-190k- I once strapped a Nikon to a tank bag and so have (somewhere) a readable but blurry shot of the tach at 9500 and the speedo somewhere around there, one day I'll find it and try to post it).
On four wheels, a rented Peugot 406 in Germany that would only pull 200k, I put "only" cuz I was really hoping to get much faster than the good old bike days.
Amoff, you said it about Mount's Duke story, that would be a hundred times scarier than anything we've done holding onto the bars! Can't imagine being on the slippery back of that thing!
Laxman, this of course does beg a car identification....
Fastest I've done is 145mph pillion on a Yamaha FZ750 over the mountain in the isle of man (you can see a pic @ www.milkybarracing.com in the classic bikes section) wikid!!
Diabando 16 May 2001, 01:10 Do we really want to admit to this?
Fastest I have been on the road in the HQ, is when I take it to just over 160kph, which is not that fast. Fastest ever would be years ago as a passenger in a friends GTHO (yes, original), I have no idea how fast we were going, but he was trying to outrun the police (I thought I was going to die), and he made it (we hid in a BP clean & go carwash)
Passenger on a bike, I was wearing my racing helmet (which is heavy), and we hit just over 200kph, which was excellent, except that my visor started shuddering, and with the weight of my helmet, I thought my head was going to fly off....
Diabando, there are sides to you that I never suspected...!
Running from the police, eh?
Well, without giving away details, once, somewhere in Europe I saw 120mph (205kmh) at the wheel of a Rover 827 Vitesse. I should emphasise this was on an open, deserted motorway at dawn.
Of course, you can remain legal and still have fun with acceleration. And the fastest accelerating cars I have played with over the years were the Aston Martin DBS, Ferrari 365GTB/4 Daytona, Lotus Esprit S3 Turbo. All three had rocketship acceleration from 50mph to 70mph, which is where you need it most. I'll concede that as I was test driving the Daytona with a nervy salesman alongside me, there was no way I explored all the performance. The Aston was more fun, though.
And then there was a seriously scary Ford Sapphire RS Cosworth Police Special, borrowed from Ford's development centre, which had more power than the tyres, the chassis, indeed the whole kit and kaboodle could cope with. It was quite the most skittish performance car I have ever tried.
Originally posted by Diabando
Fastest I have been on the road in the HQ, is when I take it to just over 160kph...............Fastest ever would be years ago as a passenger in a friends GTHO (yes, original), I have no idea how fast we were going, but he was trying to outrun the police (I thought I was going to die),I dunno Diabando, the HQ at 160 would have been pretty scary to me ;)
Warwick 16 May 2001, 09:56 I used to regulary hit an indicated 200kph on my Ducati Darmah on club runs,then the fast guys would pull out and pass me.
220kph on my brothers RZ500.
115mph in a Mk1 capri V6.
Eeerrrrrrr all on private roads of course!
AMoffat 16 May 2001, 12:03 Warwick
great stuff, come Saturday morning I'm off over the mountains and out west to the straight long roads that mock the speed limit.
On this road a few years ago I was in a group of people on about 180klms an hour when the fello on the Suzuki Hyabusa 1300 went by all of us like we were suddenly in reverse. He saw an indicated speed of 280 klms an hour out of a bike capable of 300.
This was impressive if not very naughty stuff.
140mph as a passenger in a Jag XJS. The only scary thing about this was that we were overtaking people at twice the speed they were going at. Had there been no other cars on the road, we might as well have been doing 50mph for all the feedback the Jag. gave. The car was sold soon after since my friend found it a little boring. He, too, ended up with a Sierra Cossie which I had the fun of testing out. Like Tim, I'm more interested in the raw power of get up and go rather than outright speed, and in a straight line it was a monster. With my current car being a Volvo, my memories of get-up-and-go, got-up-and-went...
Once done 125mph in Ford Escort 1.8 on the way to Donington early one morning and that was with 4 people in the car.
Ray Bell 23 May 2001, 02:55 Driving a road test XU-1 to Surfers in 1972 for the Gold Star meeing (from Sydney, it was the last rendition of the XU-1) I was regularly seeing 135mph on the speedo once I got past Coffs Harbour. I don't think it was far out. It was an overnight drive, left Sydney late... maybe 10:00pm... Friday, Max gave up at Raymond Terrace and I drove till about Murwillumbah... I was treating it gently till Coffs Harbour when:
Max rose from his slumber... "What's happening?"
"Just through Coffs now, but this jerk in a Monaro doesn't want me to pass, I'm going to have to go over a hundred to get him..."
"Go for it.. " and he went back to sleep.
I nailed it... those days I always drove as fast as a car would go if I could... it went fast.
When I owned an Austin A99 ... very good as a tow car... I used to keep the speedo on that up around 110 in overdrive everywhere I went, but didn't it destroy front suspensions!
Jeanburrasca81 23 May 2001, 03:06 242 kmph in my father's Rover 820ti in the early morning some day in the last autumn on the Autostrada 22 from Trento to Bolzano..about 50 km with an average speed of more than 200 kmph.
Honestly now that we have a Mondeo turbodiesel and the maximum speed is 180 kmph I don't really miss the high speed. It's already a good feeling to drive a car on it's own limits. I drove my friends little Corsa at its max speed of about 155 kmph and it felt more exiting than 200 in the Rover.
BUT...speed is a thrill I need somehow!
A few years ago my old Renault 11 turbo (Ugly but quick) could regularly be seen reaching speeds of 250 kmph on Auckland's southern motorway (In the small hours of the am)
Also on a recent trip to Germany I got an Audi A3 off the clock 270 kmph+ (Rentals always go faster)
My jap import 280Z (a real Z, not a ZX, so there!) was governed to 200 kph. Gave me a fright the first time it kicked in. It made the whole car judder.
I once got overtaken while doing 170kph with my foot flat & accelerating. I also once followed a Range Rover Discovery V8 out to Manfield (racetrack) at 160kph. I thoght 'Well I'm only good for another 40k's, if I try to pass him & he puts his foot down it could be embarrasing'. So I just sat behind him.
I like to think I've grown up a bit since then.
(except for the occasional relapse)
Ray Bell 23 May 2001, 12:29 That would be Manfeild circuit in New Zealand, wouldn't it... just to get that straight?
Lots of imported second hand Jap cars there, but it's good to know good old pommie products can still hold their own!
It would. I always get that wrong.
Price/performance tells a tale though. I sold the Zed for $700.
Ray Bell 23 May 2001, 13:04 Yes, that second hand market has changed motoring in NZ forever... no more old Hillmans!
Just remember, "I before E, except at Manfeild.."
Sodemo2 23 May 2001, 13:06 I did 200 MPH in a ferrari 360, but then I woke up, - and almost crashed :))
I'm not sure that smokey Corona diesels are any better though Ray.
Ray Bell 23 May 2001, 13:26 It's the smokey 1962 Bluebirds you have to watch out for...
AMoffat 24 May 2001, 13:05 On a wet highway I once caught up to a V12 XJS. The guy in the yellow Jag floored it. I'm on an 1100cc Jap bike doing 230 klms and he is pulling away!
Got to give some people respect.
You can take consolation, Moffat, in the fact that for every hour he ran his 12 holer, he spent an hour in the garage tuning it.
SPOONERBORO 25 May 2001, 03:34 i got a call from my cousin the other day to say that he a topped 165mph on his yamaha r1 down the a5 near nuneaton **** i thought i was scared riding pillion doing 60 in a 30 down his road god knows what that must of been like!!
DAVID PATERSON 13 Jun 2001, 10:50 I feel like a babe in the woods up against you guys, me best is an indicated 160 km/h (100mph) in a KH Laser TX3 at 1am on the Bruce Highway. What amzed me was how the car was so stable and 2,000 rpm short ofn the redline!
Elephino, no standard Pulsar is gonna get anywhere near 250.
The bike guys here have really outdone the car guys on this one. Then everyone knows they're all crazy. ;)
My brother in law did 290km/h on a German Autobahn aboard a Kawasaki, amazingly 4 cars passed him! Two Porsches, a Ferrari and a red car that was so fast he didn't get a chance to identify it!
elephino 14 Jun 2001, 15:16 To quote myself: a nice sports car of some description.
I never said I'd be able to do it in the Pulsar.
In mid 70s, I got a lift back to Ingliston Circuit in Edinburgh from a farm about 20 miles south. The car was a v6 Ferrari Dino, being driven by a local racing driver (who shall remain nameless). I had to sit on my boss's lap as we reached an indicated 170mph with all the other traffic appearing to be going backwards. Before it gets pointed out, I know that a v6 Dino couldnt go that fast, but it was plenty fast enough to scare the **** out of both passengers !
on the way to testing last thursday morning, i was bombing down the m1 at about 8.30 in the morning, and i happened upon a rather straight section of motorway.
hmm i thought. wonder if this old girl still does 110? it's been a while, but we have been cruising at 90...
so i floored it, and carried on till i chickened.
i chickened before it did, and that was at just past 180kmh, which works out at 112mph. i was smug all day.
then came the 3 and a half hour traffic jam. proof that karma does exist, and all your naughty speed will come back to get you.
josvandeperre 21 Jun 2001, 17:29 Funny lot Antipodeans - I thought they all drove really fast till I realised they no longer used proper units - it turns out 155 KPH is pretty much normal on the M1 these days
And motorcycles don't count
There's always proceeding in a north westerly direction along the M45 - how do I know ? mph not kph
josvandeperre 21 Jun 2001, 17:54 Funny lot Antipodeans - I thought they all drove really fast till I realised they no longer used proper units - it turns out 155 KPH is pretty much normal on the M1 these days
And motorcycles don't count
There's always proceeding in a north westerly direction along the M45 - how do I know ? mph not kph
Any readers of Max Power magazine will no doubt heard of TOP SECRET, a Japanese tuning giant who famously brought their 1003BHP Toyota Supra to Britain in an attempt to break the record for the fastest speed on a British road. After the run along the A1, the driver came back and said:
"I would have gone faster, but the oil light came on".
The speed?
194mph. Thats 194 MPH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
AMoffat 21 Jun 2001, 23:24 Originally posted by josvandeperre
Funny lot Antipodeans -
And motorcycles don't count
Sorry, they count with me. Riding a bike is a much more immediate experience. Beats driving hands down anytime.
As for the KPH/MPH thing. I remember riding a Ducati 900 SS (the bevel drive model) and taking a set of corners in a town at 60. They were stringing together really quickly though. I then realised this was what 60 mph felt like in town not 60 kph.
Ray Bell 22 Jun 2001, 01:06 I'm sure I used Miles Per Hour in mine, didn't I?
Have to second you there Mr. Moffat. I haven't ridden a bike for years, at least 10 I think, and last weekend I got to drive my sister-in-laws new (used) bike. A 500 suzuki air-cooled twin, (made me think of my old 450 Honda) but damn it was fun to do a little blast up to 165 klicks. Psst, don't tell anyone, but I can't wait to take it out again for a good old top speed run (I figure it's good for 180-190)
Yup, there really is something about being on two wheels. I was fairly comfortable sliding my 350 around back in the on-track days, but having recently done some amateur karting, I do find myself more interested in exploring 4 wheel drifting.
As for the metric vs imperial stuff, here in Canada, we are a mixed up bunch. I've lost alot of the ounces/pints sort of thing, but still can't figure people's weights in kgs, but "doing a ton" or a hundred mph is much more satisfying than going 160. The whole litres/100km just doesn't make sense to me as I always have to translate it to mpg (imperial, not US) to get a proper idea.
Ray Bell 22 Jun 2001, 02:08 Same issues I have, even after a quarter century... body weight and miles per gallon... I work that out every time. Metric conversion calculators are great.
yelwoci 22 Jun 2001, 12:28 Not that I condone this thread!
3.9L 330bhp Quad-twin Downdraught Dellortos Mod Prod Rover SD1.
New engine run in from London to Leicester at 3000rpm =82mph 5th gear (some variation in lower gears to keep bores clean).
Work on the wiring, brakes, oils, etc, etc.
Across to Worcester at 3000rpm.
Back down to London on M40 early evening, clear road (It was some time ago!)
Approaching J11 overtaking a Morris 1000 at 3000rpm, a Sierra Cosworth comes up behind flashing his lights, pull over..and because the driver was a mature adult.. thought about it for 3ns...changes into 3rd 7800, 4th 7800...bye bye Sierra, 5th 6800 ....Aaahhh
Righthand bend approaching J9 for Aylesbury. 4 wheel drift, slight opposite lock, whoops...back doen to 3000rpm.
The distance between J11 and J9 is about 15miles.
At any speed above 150mph (240kph) there is a reaction and brake/maneovre response tunnel of about 2s (man+car) or 120m, though I recon it probably closer to 200m. If anything enters the tunnel from the side you cannot do anything about it.
30miles later the Sierra blasted past.
Bl00dy stupid, Bl00dy irresponsible, Potentionally damaging to a racecar that does exceed 120mph on the track.............
....
...
Bit of a grin factor.
IanC
On behalf of an erstwhiel friend
yelwoci 22 Jun 2001, 12:29 Oh I forgot
320miles 35Imperial Gallons of fuel
IanC
josvandeperre 22 Jun 2001, 13:04 This is a slight tangent but Ian's last reminded me - I know someone with a Ferrari Boxer and he spent a lot of time messing with the jets in the carburettors to try to optimise the performance
He was only satisfied once he was no longer able to get better than 10 mpg under any circumstances at all......never did find out if it went any quicker though
AMoffat 22 Jun 2001, 13:21 Josvandeperre,
Your friend alternatively could have taken the money he spent at a fancy mechanics workshop and bought a large capacity Japanese motorcycle. He could then have it all.
The flash Ferrari to impress the girls. Girls ain't usually impressed by shyteful mpg figures.
Plus,
A real surge of adrenaline on call 24 hours a day, right in the garage.
josvandeperre 22 Jun 2001, 13:49 I somehow feel his wife might have had something to say about the girlfriends......
And he bought a racing car for the adrenalin
I think he only had the boxer for the pleasure he got from playing with the carburettors in the garage at home - setting up four triple choke webers does not leave much time for driving !
AMoffat 22 Jun 2001, 13:57 Yes, wives are like that. So are Dellorto's.
Warwick 23 Jun 2001, 09:50 Personally I always believed cars were for people who lacked sufficent co ordination and balance to stay upright on two wheels,while fast cars are fun,fast bikes are better!
AMoffat 25 Jun 2001, 06:58 I have the same basic bias. Why drive when you can ride.
you can't fall off a car.
unless you're really stupid.
Ray Bell 26 Jun 2001, 17:52 Originally posted by Warwick
Personally I always believed cars were for people who lacked sufficent co ordination and balance to stay upright on two wheels...
Also for people who like living and have experienced the pain and danger of modern motorcycling... been run off the road by unseeing drivers and trucks with blind spots.
AMoffat 26 Jun 2001, 23:57 Certainly Ray modern motorcycles offer performance that is mind boggling, especially to the average car driver. This can be part of the problem, you can arrive somewhere on the road a lot quicker than a driver can anticipate.
This means that the responsibility is on the motorcyclist to do a risk assessment (if you like)on the movements of all other road users. And not place themselves in someones blind spot. Increased rider training involving this sort of reasoning has been successful in reducing the road toll for motorcyclists over the last eight years.
I have had (and will have again) '50s British twins and those things can be lethal. Sure they are flat out at 75mph but have you ever tried to stop one? Modern bikes with modern brakes any day. Far safer.
Ray i do like living,i have been on the reiceving end of a L300 van which totalled my bike and two others who were riding with me,all of us bought more bikes,I currently don't own one due to my racing commmitments.
Are you saying drive a car you won't be in a accident, those same things do happen to car drivers to,its just that your chances of survivng them are slightly better.
I know of several people who say they will never get on a bike because a friend was killed on one,yet they continue to drive a car after friends haved died in them,bit of a double standard there somewhere.
MichaelC 1 Jul 2001, 20:07 Right first up, I'd like to say that I don't condone speeding either, but occasionally you have to explore limits. Ahem...
Secondly, bikes count if you want them to - You'd never get me on one EVER, but if you want to ride them, that's your choice and you're entitled to do as you see fit.
Now, my personal fastest speed story:
Personally driving: the 306 TD, v.early morning on a motorway en-route to the golf club. Downhill with the wind behind, I just floored it to see what would happen. Got to 115mph before I had to start braking for my junction - takes miles to stop at that speed. I think it would have made 120 perhaps, but there certainly wasn't much left in it!
As a passenger: A smidgin over 140mph in a Saab 9000, which had been, er, well let's just say modified slightly. Plenty left in that, probably good for about 160. Not scary at all, unlike the 105 I did with the same guy in an Astramax Van!!! The guy driving was a former motorway patrolman who'd passed every driving test and qualification in existance, so I felt quite safe. However, if there'd been a mechanical failure at that speed, I'd rather not think of the consequences.
Also just come back from France, where we zipped merrily along the motorways at 110mph in a Mondeo Turbo Diesel estate, with four people, four sets of golf clubs and four large sets of luggage on board. Quite impressive for that car, I think.
Ray Bell 2 Jul 2001, 01:44 Certainly, Warwick, cars do get run off the road and so on, but the point is twofold... they enjoy greater visibility (for those who won't or can't open their eyes...) and if they are involved there is both a higher degree of maneouvrability (usually) and secondary safety.
Originally posted by Ray Bell
Certainly, Warwick, cars do get run off the road and so on, but the point is twofold... they enjoy greater visibility (for those who won't or can't open their eyes...) and if they are involved there is both a higher degree of maneouvrability (usually) and secondary safety.
Ray - do you mean bikes have less maneouvrability?
I don't quite follow.
DAVID PATERSON 5 Jul 2001, 10:34 Originally posted by Warwick.
I know of several people who say they will never get on a bike because a friend was killed on one,yet they continue to drive a car after friends haved died in them,bit of a double standard there somewhere
Warwick, I'm not trying to justify those peoples stance, merely explain it. Motorcycles are statistically more dangerous than cars and riding a bike is a matter of choice, but if you live in today's world, sonner or later you must ride in car, it's almost unavoidable.
BATMOBILE UPDATE - the car did 118mph (or 190kmph) on the m1 on the way back from donny last weekend.
it was down a hill with the wind behind me, but it was also at 5000rpm. there's another 1,500 rpm after that..
and following the other theme, i know two people whose best friends were both killed on the same bike, yet they still ride.
DAVID PATERSON 7 Jul 2001, 14:20 They were both killed on the same bike, yet they still ride?
After rigor mortis set in, how would they operate the clutch and change gears?
Did they have to get a new bike? :)
Ray Bell 7 Jul 2001, 17:55 Originally posted by AMoffat
Ray - do you mean bikes have less maneouvrability?
I don't quite follow.
You get in a tight situation on a bike and have to make multiple avoiding maneouvres and you will likely finish up using your leathers... in a car you'll generally still be on your wheels. I do agree a bike will fit through smaller holes, however.
Looks at David and falls off the chair in laughter :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Best laugh I've had all day! Thanks! :rotate:
Concerning the topic of this thread... I've avoided this deliberately... is this really something I'd like to reveal???
*R curses himself for once revealing his real name in this forum, plus uploading a picture on his profile*
Uh-uh....
...okay then...
140. Kilometers per hour. In a 90 kilometers per hour speed limit zone.
Phew! ;)
Originally posted by Ray Bell
You get in a tight situation on a bike and have to make multiple avoiding manoeuvres and you will likely finish up using your leathers... in a car you'll generally still be on your wheels. I do agree a bike will fit through smaller holes, however.
Ray from my experience (and this is one of the few things I can talk with any certainty on) you are wrong and right depending on the conditions.
In the dry, a motorcycle - especially a modern bike - is much more manoeuvrable. Better power to weight, better brakes, good contact patch with the road and sticky tyres. Better visability, easier to position on the road and takes up less space.
In the wet the pendulum swings the other way where the greater weight and the bigger contact area with the road swing things in favour of the car. Additionally most cars have ABS these days, only some bikes do - like BMW's.
Ray Bell 9 Jul 2001, 11:53 But when you get into that tight spot, the car might slide and spin, but can keep going... if the bike falls over you're in troulbe.
Yes that is certainly the case.
I would love a dollar for every time I've heard someone say:
"I had to lay the bike down to avoid..
the dog,
the car,
the Mack truck,
my wife"
and so on.
The point being with the bike layed down you are worse then a passenger. You have no control at all.
Ray Bell 9 Jul 2001, 12:45 In 1961 I was riding my bike up the footpath on my paper run, right at the top of the hill in Merrylands road a car was stopped at the pedestrian crossing... a bike came behind it, a BSA Bantam, and the rider mustn't have been paying attention... he locked the rear wheel and at the last moment turned it and went side on into the back of the car.
Sure, he did a few things wrong, including not just going to one side and relying more on the back brake than the front, but the point was that I later heard he lost a leg over that episode... too easy, far too easy.
Lets see -
A bit over 210 mph in a specially built '72 Camaro with an 850hp 638 cu.in. bored & stroked 430 aluminium Can Am motor. Sold the car to a nutcase that rolled it into a little ball on the thruway in New York just outside of Albany.
175 mph in an aluminium bodied Road Runner with a 700 hp Hemi (one of 12 alu bodies built - the rest went to Richard Petty). Sold it to another nutcase that tried to punch a hole in a stone wall - the wall won.
155 in my XK150S Jag. Car is still in storage - haven't seen it in 20 years.
135 in a bone stock '66 Chrysler Imperial (6000 lbs of rolling livingroom). Car got rear ended & totaled by - of all things - a VW Beetle. Damn, I loved that car! Like being the Captain of a yacht.
150 in a 427 Shelby Cobra. Coulda gone a lot faster, but it got a wicked shimmy at 145. Sold it for $8000 (double what I paid for it) - the next year the value went to $60,000 ! Arrrggghhh!
175 in a specially built '82 Corvette of a friends. He still has it, and it will still do it.
145 in my brother's '59 Chevy Impala convertible - we stuck in a mildly warmed over 427. Went thru tranny's every 6 months - the Chevy automatics weren't too strong back then.
160+ in a '73 Opel GT that we shoehorned an aluminium 350 into - the ultimate street sleeper. Had lots of fun embarrasing Corvettes, 'Cuda's & Mustangs.
And a wopping 115 in my old '72 Datsun B210 (it wasn't stock!). Poor old thing finally rusted out at 500K miles!
AMoffat 11 Jul 2001, 13:03 Enzo wins!!
Ray Bell 11 Jul 2001, 14:09 One might say by a country mile...
Enzo's lying!
That Datsun would only do 112.
Hans.ca 11 Jul 2001, 20:35 I sure would like to see that 638 cu. in. bored and strocked 430 aluminum can am engine. I know McLaren got about 850 hp but the largest engine they ever had was 515 cu. in.
Some where in my collection of useless information is a note book that has all the engine serial numbers used by McLaren in one year. It was an interesting excersise to see just how often they changed motors.
While I didn't see that particular motor (I didn't know enzo back then), I think it was done by boring .060 over, & fitting in a 1/2" stroker crank from a 454 (the cranks were custom made). Not something for road racing with, but pure hell on a drag strip!
I imagine that with that much stroke that the revs were limited to 5000 or so. If the 850 hp number is correct, can you say "torque out the wazoo" ?
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