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Originally Posted by Dario911
I don't agree with new ACO's rules. I think P1 and P2 must be the highes expression of the car technology, at the same way of the formula 1. Different rules, but same performance and specifications between P1 and formula 1.
In the 70s, Sport cars were faster than their contemporary formula 1 (Porsche 917K was 16 second faster tha a f1 at Spa, the same for the Matra MS 670 V12 and Ferrari 312PB). There was a real competition between these different categories, but it was too much spectacular.I would see P1 to be as fast in Le Mans as the Group C cars were in their golden era!. I would see a greaftul competition in Le Mans, with Porsche, Audi, Peugeot, Toyota, BMW and Maserati in the top class (P1).
It's stupid for me to justify performance reduction with safety increasing.
We wanna see races, no walks around the track.
P1 must be real f1 rivals. Stop. No way to change the rules. This must be the aim of the ACO.
What do you think about this reasoning? Am I right or wrong?
My god! We wanna see the noise and the smell of the speed. Not to pick up flowers around the track!
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Current P1's are faster than Group C cars.
The Nissan R90C ran 3.27 in qualifying with 1200bhp, during the race they were nearer 3.35-3.40.
The current diesels, if pushed, will go under 3.25 in qualifying this year, and under 3.30, consistently, during the race.
F1 is on another level, we can see this by the fact the Audi R10 was quicker than an IRL car at St Petes, a powerful, slick shod, high downforce single seater!
In the next few years we'll see new F1 chassis regs that will cut speeds by another 3-4 seconds, that would but the F1 backmarkers within a few seconds of the quickest P1 cars.
PS, just like F1, you need to take into account reg changes to 'slow' cars are more likely to keep them at current speeds. We've seen this with LMP2 this year, you only see big changes in car performance when a totally new ruleset is introduced. Remember how slow the Nasamax P1 was when first introduced, who would have thought P1's would reach the current performance levels so quickly, if ever.
St Petes
LMP1 (2008) - 1.02.825
LMP2 (2008) - 1.03.578
GT1 (2008) - 1.09.727
GT2 (2008)- 1.11.745
IRL (2008) - 1:02.975
Laguna
LMP1 (2006) - 1.13.731
LMP2 (2006) - 1.14.030
GT1 (2006) - 1.20.307
GT2 (2006) - 1.23.611
F1 - (2006) - 1.06.309
Champ Car (2007) - 1.05:880s (fastest) 1.08:825s (slowest)
Road America
LMP1 (2007) - 1.47.665
LMP2 (2007) - 1.48.833
GT1 (2006) - 1.59.638
GT2 (2007) - 2.07.191
Champ Car (2007) 1:40:58.596
Silverstone
LMP1 (2007) (Diesel) - 1.31.692
LMP1 2007) (Petrol) - 1.34.459
LMP2 (2007) - 1.35.149
GT1 (2007) - 1.44.755
GT2 (2007) - 1.49.730
F1 (2007) Pole - 1.19.997 Last 1.22.589
GP2 (2006) - 1.29
GP Masters (ex Champcar) (2006)- 1:36.916
Interlagos
LMP1 (2007) (Diesel) - 1.18.787
LMP2 (2007) (Petrol) - 1.22.254
GT1 (2007) - 1.29.296
GT2 (2007) - 1.33.017
F1 (2007) Pole - 1.11.931 Last - 1:15.487
Spa
LMP1 (2007) (Diesel) - 2.00.105
LMP1 (2007) (Petrol) - 2.04.220
LMP2 (2007) - 2.06.660
GT1 (2007) - 2.14.715
GT2 (2007)- 2.21.525
F1 (2007) - Pole 1.45.994 Last 1.49.577
DTM (2005) - 2.13.718
DTM (2005) last 3 - 2.15.476 - 2.16.504 - 2.18.793
WTCC (2005) - 2.33.158
Monza
LMP1 (2007) (Diesel) - 1.34.503
LMP1 (2007) (Petrol) 1.36.187
LMP2 (2007)- 1.39.271
GT1 (2007)- 1.45.443
GT2 (2007)- 1.50.381
F1 (2007)- Pole 1.21.997 Last 1.25.084
GP2 (2006) - 1.33.739
Barcelona
LMP1 (2008) (Diesel) - 1.31.875
LMP1 (2008) (Petrol Production) - 1.33.734
LMP1 (2008) (Petrol Race) - 1.34.774
LMP2 (2008) - 1.34.422
GT1 (2008)- 1.44.484
GT2 (2008) - 1.47.844
F1 (2007) Pole - 1:20.597 Last 1:23.990