Kimi Question

Kenny W. · 20 Sep 2002, 09:08 (Ref:384665)

Nobody can question Kimi's ability to drive a car fast. But...
with the number of technical problems he has encountered I ask the question "Is he pushing the car too hard?"
I remember when DC started at McLaren there were a number of people saying he was a car breaker ; now he seems to drive smoother (some will say slower?), but gets to the finish.
Alternatively is McLaren (like Ferrari) unable to produce 2 cars that are equally reliable?

Tristan · 20 Sep 2002, 09:12 (Ref:384667)

Good question, and I don't know what the answer is!! I'll have to think. You might well be right.

**Spudgun** · 20 Sep 2002, 09:42 (Ref:384669)

But then again, don't the drivers have their own engineers?

Different people working on two identical cars might make some impact. I'm not saying Kimi's people are rubbish though!

f1grandprixshop · 20 Sep 2002, 10:30 (Ref:384697)

i think many asked that question also about JPM? but aren't those cars supposed to be pushed hard?? they're for racing

DNQ · 20 Sep 2002, 10:33 (Ref:384701)

It is possible, but I seriously doubt it's the reason - at Ferrari, Rubens has had many retirements, Schumacher none, and we know there is nothing wrong with Rubinho's style. Just bad luck.

Wrex · 20 Sep 2002, 10:40 (Ref:384709)

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Originally posted by DNQ
It is possible, but I seriously doubt it's the reason - at Ferrari, Rubens has had many retirements, Schumacher none, and we know there is nothing wrong with Rubinho's style. Just bad luck.

Thats exacty what I was about to say DNQ. It's possible, but unlikely. I too was going to give Rubins as the example, hardly his fault if the car wont start.

billyblister · 20 Sep 2002, 11:11 (Ref:384734)

I always thought Trulli had the same problem, but it could be luck

f1manoz · 20 Sep 2002, 11:39 (Ref:384751)

Kimi is just suffering an awful amount of bad luck, but the McLaren has been fairly unreliable all year anyway, it's just that Kimi is receiving more than his fair share.

**Adam43** · 20 Sep 2002, 12:20 (Ref:384776)

One driver is quite likely to suffer more failures than another. It would be a coincidence for them both to have the same 'luck'.

It is almost impossible to gauge if a driver is causing the failures due to any statistical fluctuations. There just aren't enough GP in the year to average out these fluctations. Additionally factoring the evolution of the car into this makes the job even harder.

So, I suppose, that is a "don't know!"

Madman · 20 Sep 2002, 13:01 (Ref:384806)

At least Kimi goes hard. I think he is beginning to show up his more experienced team-mate. Maybe David should stop claiming this is going to be his year as he does at the beginning of every year and just drive.

billyblister · 20 Sep 2002, 13:59 (Ref:384850)

I'd like to see the telemetry, i think that would answer alot of questions

garagegirl · 20 Sep 2002, 16:33 (Ref:384907)

i dunno, i mean buttons problem at williams was the different style in driving to ralf. he used to use the engine as more of a brake then ralf, so subsequently blew hi sengine more. something like that you mean?

garagegirl · 20 Sep 2002, 16:34 (Ref:384908)

ps sorry everyone for choossing an example two years old, im sure ive insulted everyone for already knowing that

JGM · 20 Sep 2002, 17:57 (Ref:384957)

The engines are electronically protected so that they can't be over-revved. Gearchanges are automatic. The car is designed and built to be driven as fast as it will go. As long as the driver doesn't actually make contact with the scenery or another car, any failure is someone else's fault.

NiceGuyEddie · 20 Sep 2002, 19:49 (Ref:385033)

If Kimi is pushing the car over its limits, obviously the car isn't good enough.

freud · 20 Sep 2002, 19:54 (Ref:385037)

Kimi is a natural, he has so much raw talent. I mean just look at the way he has demolished DC in one season.

I dont think one can blame him for breaking the equipment. I think he is a fantastically fast & smooth driver and if the cars are breaking, fault lies on Macs not him. Its very similar to whats happening with JPM (the genious) at Williams.

NiceGuyEddie · 20 Sep 2002, 21:33 (Ref:385076)

JPM is not able to conserve his tyres. That it is his major problem imo. That, or he manages to make the same mistake in tyre-choice over and over again.

Mania · 20 Sep 2002, 22:16 (Ref:385091)

Well, there's a great opening to discuss Pablo's lack of race craft but I wont go there!

Going back to Kimi - he's thrashed DC is qualifying this year but DC has done better in the races...though not off late..so it looks like Kimi is getting better of DC in the races as well...should provide an interesting winter debate - Im sure DC will find an excuse - he always does.

Kimi's bad luck will certainly not run forever - and maybe Newey will go back to working with another flying Finn next season - which could make all the difference in reliability as it did when he was working for Mika.

Valve Bounce · 21 Sep 2002, 01:06 (Ref:385129)

Whichever way you look at it, both Kimi and JPM are the two most exciting drivers on the grid these days. These are the two guys who we anticipate will take the fight to SchM next year if they have a chance to race him. You can forget the rest of the field, unless Baronda comes really really good, then maybe Jacques can join the fray.

Valve

rpolinski · 21 Sep 2002, 01:17 (Ref:385132)

As mania said, Adrain Newey could be a factor. Is it a possibility that Adrian pushes the mechanics and engineers a bit harder? Mika always had better reliability than DC until last year which just happened to coincide with Newey's distraction by Jaguar.

garagegirl · 22 Sep 2002, 17:36 (Ref:386007)

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Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
If Kimi is pushing the car over its limits, obviously the car isn't good enough.

im probably gonna put my foot in it here, but my foot likes living in my mouth so what the hell. of course the car isnt good enough its a mclaren!!!

Speedworx · 22 Sep 2002, 19:29 (Ref:386059)

Kimi drives the car extremely well and will be a champion, unlike DC.

ljakse · 23 Sep 2002, 07:59 (Ref:386354)

I don't think a driver can cook up an engine with all the electronics on-board. It just goes down to bad luck - just like Mika's last year.

And even if a driver could destroy an engine, I'd really like to see an explanation how could he make his rear wing fall of. THAT is BAD LUCK!

garagegirl · 23 Sep 2002, 08:40 (Ref:386388)

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Originally posted by hakkiman
Kimi drives the car extremely well and will be a champion, unlike DC.

of cousre kimi will be champion, i just think he deserves better than mclaren, thats all

Speedworx · 23 Sep 2002, 18:25 (Ref:386732)

There is none better than McLaren. Ferrari are a total bunch of stuopid people who could never run 2 equal cars.

McLaren will get him used to running at the front.

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