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9 Nov 2006, 17:56 (Ref:1761824)
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Will Ferrari Crumble?
With all the changes at Ferrari I was just wondering what everyone thinks on the matter. I think they will win races, but they wont be as strong as what they were IMO.
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9 Nov 2006, 19:04 (Ref:1761883)
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Strength of a team is relative. And with the top 3 team (Mclaren, Ferrari and Renault) all undergoing significant changes, it'd be a test to see who responds best.
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9 Nov 2006, 19:24 (Ref:1761895)
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9 Nov 2006, 19:35 (Ref:1761904)
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it would be nice to see honda winning races regually in '07 like
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9 Nov 2006, 19:44 (Ref:1761915)
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I think not. Ferrari will remain a big part of his 2005 team, Schumacher could remain with the team in other functions, and Kimi and Massa could lead them with a respectable season. I think their worst possibility in 2007 could be a season like they had at the second part of 1996.
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9 Nov 2006, 19:51 (Ref:1761928)
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They should be OK. Certainly, I think their momentum will carry them for a few years yet.
However, we must not expect it to be the same now that Michael is gone, along with some key backroom staff. But times change and Ferrari seem to have a good succession program in place. |
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9 Nov 2006, 20:00 (Ref:1761938)
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true that Ferrari have a good succession programme in place, but lets remember that McLaren did in 2000/01/02/03/04/05/06 lol!! Only lost Mika after 2001and DC after 2004
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9 Nov 2006, 20:07 (Ref:1761949)
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That is irrelevant though.
Apart from the fact that I wasn't talking about the drivers, there is the fact that the succession programme is already in full swing. Aldo Costa was the main man on the 2006 Ferrari for instance and Baldiserri and Domenicali were taking a lot more responsibility this season too. Among other things. So whilst there will be a slight shift at ferrari, it will not be cataclysmic one suspects. Unlike other teams who lose key members of staff unexpectedly (to Red Bull usually) and have no response for a while. Ferrari have internal continuity and you simply cannot lose with that. |
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9 Nov 2006, 22:34 (Ref:1762090)
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The loss of Schumacher may be more impactful than they expect. Take him out of the equation and Ferrari have been no more competitive than Renault in the past year.
How many times during Schumi's 6 Ferrari titles did his team-mate finish second in the championship? |
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9 Nov 2006, 22:45 (Ref:1762097)
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That is where Kimi comes in. Will he fill the shoes of Michael well enough? Time will tell.
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9 Nov 2006, 23:00 (Ref:1762113)
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The thing with Michael also was his ability to unite a team. Sometimes drivers are able to get the best out of engineers and teams by sheer enthusiasm, willingness to work etc. A lot of the Ferrari crew would have worked for Ferrari during the MS years only. Can Kimi bring the same enthusiasm out of the team as MS did, id reckon probably not. I think it may well come down to how quickly the crew can adapt to Kimi's personality and styl. The new technical team have been groomed over the years and i dont see a reason why they cannot continue the success
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9 Nov 2006, 23:04 (Ref:1762117)
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One thinks Kimi will accomplish more than most expect & i would not be surprised if he starts winning almost straight away.
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9 Nov 2006, 23:11 (Ref:1762122)
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I guess by Ferrari standards over the last decade you could say they crumbled in 2005, 1 win and distant third in oth WCC and WDC, they bounced pretty quickly though
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9 Nov 2006, 23:32 (Ref:1762136)
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I used to think they'd be a steamroller next year, but now with Brawn confirmed to leave and a few other key roles, albeit internally, having been shaken up i think they'll be vulnerable. With Brawn not on pit wall i'd imagine they might lose out a few times next season on strategy. If Heikki comes up to speed quickly then im sure Renault wont hold back on account for him being a rookie. Alonso and McLaren too i cant imagine wont be going 100%.
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10 Nov 2006, 04:51 (Ref:1762335)
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They've been around for about 60 odd years so they've probably had a few changes to deal with over the years,Hard to see the wheels falling off just because of a few more changes.
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10 Nov 2006, 17:36 (Ref:1762868)
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Will Ferrari crumble? No.
Will they lose some impetus with MS gone? I think so. Raikkonen and Massa certainly won't be the driving force MS was, so although Ferrari will remain dedicated and competitive, that little spark that set them apart will no longer be there. It won't be a return to pre-96 terms though. Far too much money is spent nowadays for that embarrassing run to return. |
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10 Nov 2006, 18:13 (Ref:1762887)
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Keeping it short and simple - They won't crumble. They just won't dominate.
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10 Nov 2006, 18:56 (Ref:1762906)
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As long as their budgets remain huge -- they will be a huge force in F1. They may have to regroup for a year but big money buys the best talent and I believe their budgets are as big or bigger than any other F1 team.
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10 Nov 2006, 20:54 (Ref:1762963)
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The answer's 2 - 3 if you count Irvine in 1999.
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10 Nov 2006, 21:16 (Ref:1762977)
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WE always fall in the same discussion, will Kimi and/or Massa fill TGF's shoes ?
Certainly not. But if you look closer, it's not a case of finding someone great as TGF. I have posted in different threads about Ferrari and the drivers. It was a planned move and for sure it will have an impact, but they are prepared for that and hardly it will be a total failure. Now, if this will keep them at the top, is another matter. |
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11 Nov 2006, 05:26 (Ref:1763235)
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If $$ were the major consideration than Toyota would be dominating...but they are not.
Ferrari has a terrific infrastructure. You can't replace a Michael or a Ross but that does not mean the remaining personnel are not more than adequate. They will not dominate but they will not be crumbling - not sure though that they will contend for the title. For certain they will remain a top 3 team. |
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11 Nov 2006, 13:28 (Ref:1763417)
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11 Nov 2006, 18:35 (Ref:1763550)
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I believe they will remain in the top three, and they'll raise their game if the drivers are suited to the team... which is not very hard to happen.
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11 Nov 2006, 22:01 (Ref:1763674)
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Ferrari were not a "top three" team before Michael got there. Granted, on their day they could sneak up on folks but they were not a consistent threat to win.
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