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Old 23 Apr 2012, 18:44   #1
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Lotus drop two cars.

Bryan Herta Autosport and Dreyer & Reinbold Racing will need to find new engines for Indianapolis.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...107/120423034/
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Any surprise there?
I'm not. It'll hardly be the last of the bad news either.
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I think it's more a case of DRR/BHA dropping Lotus than the other way round.
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I think it's more a case of DRR/BHA dropping Lotus than the other way round.
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I think it's more a case of DRR/BHA dropping Lotus than the other way round.
Hehe, quite.

I hope that this will mean that their 3-4 other entries will be more competitive. I'm not certain that'll happen though.
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Good to see Chevy and Honda picking an engine lease for each of these teams
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Servia and Tagliani will be competitive at Indy, which may be the reason for this switch. This will free up Lotus engines for Shank and maybe Newman/Hass.
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The logical question might be whether the Lotus 'experience' actually supplies anyone at Indy... the Genii ownership thingumy seems up in the air still..

Can Mr Bourdais be competitive at the Indy 500 with a Lotus engine?
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The logical question might be whether the Lotus 'experience' actually supplies anyone at Indy... the Genii ownership thingumy seems up in the air still..

Can Mr Bourdais be competitive at the Indy 500 with a Lotus engine?
No, especially when you consider he wasn't all that great when he was there before when he had a competitive package.
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No, especially when you consider he wasn't all that great when he was there before when he had a competitive package.
Wasn't he running in the top 5 with a lap or so to go before hitting the wall? Not bad for a team that was just running the '500 that year.
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Wasn't he running in the top 5 with a lap or so to go before hitting the wall? Not bad for a team that was just running the '500 that year.
Yes, you're right...
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If Shank Racing turns up with a Lotus engine, it should be clear who dropped who.

However, who would want to buy a road car from them after this debacle? Isn't it rather likely they completely pull out of the series for next year?

And how long might the new engine lease for DRR and BHA last? Just Indy and then it's back to the old Lotus maybe?
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If Shank Racing turns up with a Lotus engine, it should be clear who dropped who.

However, who would want to buy a road car from them after this debacle? Isn't it rather likely they completely pull out of the series for next year?

And how long might the new engine lease for DRR and BHA last? Just Indy and then it's back to the old Lotus maybe?
Lotus sells about 700 road cars a year in the USA. I don't believe the 700 people that purchase those cars were influenced or could care that Lotus has their name on some backmarker irl cars.
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I have a source in the media who has been in touch with BHA and Lotus.
And this whole situation reeks to high heaven.

Let's start with the Lotus press release, which I've shared in my Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=1vFg...I_LEm-gb0Pd4oB

The first thing is the spin that Lotus is putting on this, namely that they dropped BHA & DRR, not the other way around. It is widely speculated that there were at least threats of legal action against Lotus from those two teams citing "breach of contract". Unfortunately, the deal is done and it's unlikely that we'll ever know how BHA and/or DRR feel the contract was breached by Lotus.

My source has been in contact with Olivier Picquenot, Manager of IndyCar racing at Lotus. He states, "The tests organise by Indycar or private test are not mandatory and we want to do it, the addition of two cars end of February change completely our plan of engines pool and make difficult the start of the season for us, our technical partner EDL and the teams."

This also sounds like "spin", although I think it smells more like a cow patty.
The teams were all originally have their engine contracts done late last year, as I recall, yet there were still teams without engine deals going into testing.
The teams that were confirmed with Lotus engines in mid-Feb were:
- HVM (1 car)
- BHA (1 car)
- DRR (1 car)

Shank wasn't confirmed, as they were still trying to put funding together.
So the cars putting the strain on Lotus could only be Dragon. We all know how late Bourdais got his motor. That may be partly due to finding funding for Bourdais' ride, but may also be related to Lotus' financial issues.

So why is it that two more engines for Lotus is a strain while two more at Honda or Chevy is business as usual? The short answer is money.
There is reason to believe that the legal issues that Lotus has been dealing with have resulted in their inability to pay Judd during development of the motor. Judd needed to make a business decision, and they stopped development until they got paid. It doesn't make good business sense to have lots of manpower spending lots of time developing a motor that may or may not wind up in a car on a race track, so Judd stopped working on it. When Lotus paid Judd, development resumed, but they were behind the curve, and that shows in the on-track performance of the Lotus cars.

This has more twists and turns than the first season of 24, I tell ya!


Now, I have also heard that the lack of power for the Lotus motors can be attributed (at least in part) to a temperature safety system that not only limits the power, but will also kill the motor if it reaches a certain temperature. The idea of saving the motors so they will run the distance required by IndyCar's rulebook makes sense, but it cost too much in the way of horsepower. Although I think this was more a matter of making sure the Lotus teams had working motors, as they were (and apparently still are!) in short supply.
Going into SaoPaulo and then Indianapolis, Lotus suddenly has more engines to work with, so they may be able to remove the temp safety system. In theory, this should improve the power of the Lotus cars, but nobody knows by how much.

The other thing is the availability of Lotus motors...
Will there be teams that take a stab at running Indy with a Lotus lump? It would lead to a larger car count, sure. But it also adds the potential for a full-season driver getting bumped from the 500.
I'm sure Lotus would hate for Simona to sit out on Memorial Day, since she is Lotus' flagship driver. Add in the drama of her accident at Indy last year and making the show in PorkChop with burns on her hands, and you've got a hell of a story!
And what of the teams that are sticking with Lotus instead of jumping ship, specifically Dragon? Bourdais has wrung the most out of that motor and had a couple of brilliant drives. I'm sure Lotus wants to see their black/gold livery running 'round The Brickyard. Don't know about Legge, though.

We know Shank wants to field a driver. So does Newman-Haas.

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