6 Feb 2007, 16:19
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^ I don't know the exact legal implications of those sorts of deals, but in this case Cosworth appears to have the rights for the engines. The same 2.65L V8s will be used the his or we'd have heard if it were otherwise. Good point Paul about Cosworth using F1 designs.
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6 Feb 2007, 19:53
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Originally Posted by norman-normal
Then how can Cosworth supply Champ Car, F1? Have you seen the sales contract?
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Use your head, Ford did not spend X millions to have to pay royalties for something it developed, should it want to use it in the future.
Back in the seventie, Ford told Cosworth to get its name off of the Indy car engines or suffer in court (due to political concerns for Ford).
When Ford got back into racing, it told Cosworth to put its name back, and it did.
Ford can allow Cosworth to use any engines developed with its money as it chooses, when it chooses.
If Cosworth developes an engine totally unrelated to the Ford engines, then Cosworth can do with it as it chooses.
An engineering firm, is not the same as patented engineering ideas, why do you think patent laws exist.
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6 Feb 2007, 20:28
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Ford will not be able to control anything should Cosworth get money to slap a different badge on its engines. OWRS owns the XFE engine, design and all. They decide who's name goes on that engine.
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7 Feb 2007, 00:43
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Originally Posted by icemachine
Ford will not be able to control anything should Cosworth get money to slap a different badge on its engines. OWRS owns the XFE engine, design and all. They decide who's name goes on that engine.
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Actually Cosworth owns the engine design and all. That was made clear when the cosworth purchase was made.
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7 Feb 2007, 01:22
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http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/12971/
"It comes as no surprise that Ford has decided to take these actions,” said Eidswick. “It is important to note the Champ Car World Series owns the Cosworth XFE engines our teams currently use, and that this decision will not impact Champ Car’s ability to compete now or in the future.
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7 Feb 2007, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Ford sold Cosworth the engineering firm, not any of the designs built and designed by FORD money.
The engines may be badged as Cosworth, but to put any other badge on the engine will be up to Ford and I am sure money.
The Chevordworth did not become that for free.
Now Cosworth can build a new engine not related to any Ford...
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I believe you misunderstand the concept of sale.
Cosworth can call that engine whatever the hell they like. It's theirs, Ford sold the Cosworth company.
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7 Feb 2007, 17:46
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I believe you misunderstand the concept of sale.
Cosworth can call that engine whatever the hell they like. It's theirs, Ford sold the Cosworth company.
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Ford only owned PART of the Cosworth concern when they bought their part.
In case you did not know, it was the part of the company that they had shoveled money into for decades for engine developement.
Go check the history.
The Brits have an odd way of selling things off, as the people who thought they bought Rolls Royce found out when they could not use Rolls Royce engines, as that was not part of the sale.
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7 Feb 2007, 18:59
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I did make one error; Cosworth engineering now belongs to Mahle; Ford bought Cosworth racing.
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7 Feb 2007, 22:38
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And Ford sold Cosworth Racing, to KK anf GF. I'm pretty sure the sale would have included all IP
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8 Feb 2007, 03:07
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It's a little bit irritating but both parts are doing engineering... therefore a short history of the company: Back in 1998 the former Cosworth company was sold by VICKERS Group to the AUDI Group and splitted in two parts: Cosworth Technology and Cosworth Racing. AUDI kept Cosworth Technology and FORD took control of Cosworth Racing. By the end of 2004 Cosworth Racing was sold to Kevin Kalkhoven und Gerald Forsythe, the company now is named Cosworth Ltd. And in 2005 Cosworth Technology was acquired by MAHLE from the AUDI Group, the name was changed and is now trading as MAHLE Powertrain...
 
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18 Feb 2007, 16:54
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