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12 Aug 2009, 11:47
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Originally Posted by Rachel Richards
Now PVDA, I'm sure last meeting you heard the comment made by my significant other, wishing he had been in the Friday firing line.
Maybe Mr Ward might have had a re-think, if a little summary justice, had been metered out.
I am guessing it would have been far more sucessful, than the: slap with a soggy celery stick that he got from the stewards......
One might choose to turn 180% with a bit of natural justuce.
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I have it on good authority from a witness that a certain recovery driver showed him the door  on this day, is that the sort of natural justice that you are thinking of?
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25 Aug 2009, 02:16
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Originally Posted by xr8
Kyle Clews dominated the weekend with pole position and crossing the line in first place every race only to be protested in the second race and relagated to a 23rd grid position for race three.
Kyle only got more determined to win and was in first place by lap five and went on to win by a margin of over four seconds.
Race four was a seventh grid position start but was in the lead by lap two and settled down for a gentle run to the flag.
Now when your protester calls for your engine to get checked then get pull in by six car lengths through the last turn onto the straight me thinks this guy has some serious driving & social issues!
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i see on the shannons site that jim clews is driving his sons car at oran park this weekend. it will be interesting to see if there any protests ect about the engine this time round...........
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25 Aug 2009, 03:43
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I just had a look at the press release on the ARC site... what a joke, having a sub driver score points for you... maybe jamie whincup could step in for one of the other drivers.
Sounds like another rule made up on the spot by wardy that will only apply to his 'mates' and not to anyone else.
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26 Aug 2009, 00:42
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tony c, it appears you are right. looking at the points crompton and bates drove the same car at different rounds but are shown seperatly on the points table. shouldnt they have their points combined??
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26 Aug 2009, 01:47
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There is nothing in the ARC rules that says whether the driver or car scores the points so it is up to wardys discretion (he is the ruling body).
Since it is not a CAMS championship (according to the 2009 CAMS manual) they can do what they want, it is only club racing anyway.
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16 Sep 2009, 22:37
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Another one on the market.... how long til you cant sell AU aussie race cars? maybe they would be good for a state series and leve the main series for Aurions and Commodores? oh but thats right you cant buy a Commodore.... the creator has them all. But then again they will be 'old' soon, just like the AU
http://www.my105.com.au/classified.asp?id=13354
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16 Sep 2009, 23:20
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Does this class still exist? With all the hoopla in the motorsport papers about the inclusion of Honda, of new car styles and models.. the new news seems to have stopped...
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17 Sep 2009, 00:05
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I think the novelty has worn off finally for ARC. With the GFC, alleged behavior of category management towards officials, on the fly changes to the rule book and the fact that they've been pretty much dropped off the V8SC support list, I don't think anyone is interested.
I know where I'd rather put my money if I was out there at the moment.
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17 Sep 2009, 00:44
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I also think that the exhorbitant fees charged by V8Supercars for any category to be a part of "the show" has greatly contributed to the dwindling (if not destruction) of many categories in this country - Aussie Racing Cars is but one of them.
There is no doubt that Aussie Racing Cars (not to mention a number of other categories) put on a far greater show than some of the drivel (ie. Minis) served up at V8 rounds.
Unfortunately, how much money you have dictates whether you are in the game - rather than the quality of the product. Sadly, the lack of business acumen at Aussie headquarters means that the category isn't exactly flush with funds.
I was stunned to find out just how much a full season in V8 Utes really costs - it is verging on criminal, but people keep paying...
Note, the constant references to Formula Ford being the "premier" open-wheel class in Australia throughout the telecast at Phillip Island. How different things might be if F3 could afford the V8 "package"...
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17 Sep 2009, 01:21
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Will the cars be on the gold coast or has that now been cancelled?
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17 Sep 2009, 01:45
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Their season will finish with the Gold Coast and with the Superbikes at Phillip Island.
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17 Sep 2009, 01:50
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Just maybe Ward has shown a touch of fine business acumen by pulling ARC off the premium price model (VESA show) and putting it where the punters can afford to race in these tough times?
With Porsche disappearing, Mini and Fujitsu's presenting grid ghosttowns, and Ute competitors being forced to compete because they can't sell their franchises, dollars for support classes are primarily from self funded punters...and most of them are in survival mode back in their businesses.
Don't write off ARC, they may come away in good shape by keeping the wheels turning at an affordable level.
Oh, Formula Ford as our "premier open wheel series", shh! that's hardly a proclamation to be shouting about.
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17 Sep 2009, 02:00
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looking at the website it looks like michael hovey is still running in the series, in an aurion, not the au. So you would have to think the car is just being updated.
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Originally Posted by Tony C
Another one on the market.... how long til you cant sell AU aussie race cars? maybe they would be good for a state series and leve the main series for Aurions and Commodores? oh but thats right you cant buy a Commodore.... the creator has them all. But then again they will be 'old' soon, just like the AU
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17 Sep 2009, 02:52
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Originally Posted by davester
Just maybe Ward has shown a touch of fine business acumen by pulling ARC off the premium price model (VESA show) and putting it where the punters can afford to race in these tough times?
With Porsche disappearing, Mini and Fujitsu's presenting grid ghosttowns, and Ute competitors being forced to compete because they can't sell their franchises, dollars for support classes are primarily from self funded punters...and most of them are in survival mode back in their businesses.
Don't write off ARC, they may come away in good shape by keeping the wheels turning at an affordable level.
Oh, Formula Ford as our "premier open wheel series", shh! that's hardly a proclamation to be shouting about.
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I dont think its business acumen, more like control. He likes to control 'his' category and everone in it. If you try to be professional and get ahead then you are squashed. Ask anyone that used to own a car (the current owners wont say boo or their car is worthless).
The category could be a legitimate stepping stone out of karts and into the main game. At the moment when they are running with every program (and the calender changes) the competitors will find it hard to get sponsors, which means they wont move up to anything better, so they disappear into has been land.
The category wont drop back to an 'affordable level' (read state level) because the category manager needs a certain level of income to pay for all his expenses (and pay for his, and his sons, racing). So it will be in limbo land forever.
That is a real pity because it is a great concept, and they are great fun to drive. Oh well, such is life.
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17 Sep 2009, 05:39
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Originally Posted by Tony C
I dont think its business acumen, more like control. He likes to control 'his' category and everone in it. If you try to be professional and get ahead then you are squashed. Ask anyone that used to own a car (the current owners wont say boo or their car is worthless).
The category could be a legitimate stepping stone out of karts and into the main game. At the moment when they are running with every program (and the calender changes) the competitors will find it hard to get sponsors, which means they wont move up to anything better, so they disappear into has been land.
The category wont drop back to an 'affordable level' (read state level) because the category manager needs a certain level of income to pay for all his expenses (and pay for his, and his sons, racing). So it will be in limbo land forever.
That is a real pity because it is a great concept, and they are great fun to drive. Oh well, such is life.
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How can a car be made worthless by sayig boo?? isnt a car a car?? maybe im missing somthing here.....
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