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14 Jun 2011, 18:59
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Clearly a movie about Ayrton is going to bias him.
My view was that as someone who was around when all this was going on the reasons why the antipathy started were not given, just that there was an issue over favoritism in the team from one side, then the Estoril thing. That was the germ becoming a shoot!
The rest was pure theatre and they both have issues. But for me, the guy who takes his rival to the fence at 150mph in a strop about pole position can NEVER be on an equal footing in terms of class, no matter how much he cared about safety and other drivers. Same as the guy who drives a damaged car into his rival to take him out then tried to do the same a year later but messes it up.
But then, these things are always about interpretation.
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15 Jun 2011, 14:41
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i got a question as well, when is this due to go on DVD/blue ray?
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If you go to Amazon they have these for sale already, but they're not worth getting. If you read the buyers' reviews the film is basically in Italian and, although there is an option to change the voice to English, the sub-titles remain in Italian.
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Anyone know if and when this is being released in the US ?
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I'd like to just note I haven't seen this yet. I have access to it on my computer but I'll be paying to see it in the cinema this weekend.
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Wise choice. I think people who go hold of early copies just so they could say they had seen it made a big mistake. It's much better seen in a cinema.
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15 Jun 2011, 14:44
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Off to see it tonight! Can't wait
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15 Jun 2011, 15:20
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One of the things that interested me was that the film also included footage of Viviane Galisteu, who was Senna's girl friend at the time of his death. He had an apartment in Portugal and she was there, waiting for him to come back after the race, when the accident occurred.
Her relationship with the Senna family was always difficult. They thought her a gold digger and at the funeral publicly snubbed her in favour of Xuxa Meneghel, his previous girlfriend, who is also seen in the film. That's why I was surprised to see her in the film, which was so rigorously checked over by the family. Perhaps time has added a different perspective.
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15 Jun 2011, 19:26
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Perhaps time has added a different perspective.
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Maybe yes, maybe not. But in the end she was not a gold digger and I guess they had to accept it. She's doing very fine by now and never used his link to Senna for anything. However, the relation with Xuxa always raised suspicion for many people, as at the time it seemed to be a great big marketing strategy by GloboTV. Anyway, that footage of Senna going to her TV show and she kissing him, wishing a good new year always got me chilling... she kissed him happy new 89, happy 90, happy 91, happy 92 and happy 93... stopping there, no happy 94...
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15 Jun 2011, 19:44
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I'm really glad you said that because I had exactly the same reaction!
I'm glad to hear Adriane (not Viviane!) is doing well now. Did you ever read the book she wrote?
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15 Jun 2011, 19:55
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Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread yet. Odean Cinemas are showing 'Senna' nationwide in the UK for one day on 21st June.
Helps me out because if this wasn't happening, I was looking at a trip to Cardiff Cineworld.
Glad that it's got a semi-general release though.
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15 Jun 2011, 20:11
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I'm really glad you said that because I had exactly the same reaction!
I'm glad to hear Adriane (not Viviane!) is doing well now. Did you ever read the book she wrote?
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Yeah, long time ago, but nothing's special about it.
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16 Jun 2011, 02:36
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She's doing very fine by now and never used his link to Senna for anything
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Well, she was no one before dating him, and also wrote a book about him as soon as he died, and then people invited her to do shows and stuff on TV. U can say that she's not a golden digger, but u cannot tell that being Senna's last girlfriend never gave her lots of chances.
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16 Jun 2011, 10:16
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Watched the Senna last night - found it very emotional, moving and also funny at times. Although (obviosuly) very biased towards Senna, I thought it captured him personality very well and appealed to both motorsport and non-motorsport fans.
The footage they uncovered was incredible (although did spot the sound had been poorly over dubebd at times as mentioned earlier on this section) and also enjoyed how it captured the whole esence of 1 at the time from the cigarette advertising to the power of the FIA.
My only slight concerns were that it didn't mention how he got into F1...almost suggested he did a couple of karting races and then just drove in F1!
Still, a very good film of an amazing driver.
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16 Jun 2011, 13:03
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My only slight concerns were that it didn't mention how he got into F1...almost suggested he did a couple of karting races and then just drove in F1!
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I guess that's because that's well known as he did it, but IIRC it showed some footage of that famous test he did for Williams back then...
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21 Jun 2011, 05:06
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Finally got to see this and have to say it's a great film although reliving Imola 94 was heartbreaking, it was bad enough the first time.
My son who is not into Motorsport loved it and says that he now understands who the great man was and that in those days F1 was so raw and dramatic that he might have been a fan.
It does make you realise how little of the story of a life can be squeezed into a film, so much was left out but I guess people wouldn't go to watch a six hour film  .
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21 Jun 2011, 12:34
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Off to see this tonight. Our cineworld is only showing it today, it seems. Had my tickets bought for the last two weeks.
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21 Jun 2011, 22:13
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I enjoyed it. The drivers meetings where worth the price of the tickets alone. Balestre was hilarious!  Senna had a good sense of fun. Senna's friendship with Berger was not noted which surprised me.
It was tilted against Prost somewhat but he was shown reconciling with him in later years and as a trustee of Senna's foundation. Some French director should do one of Prost to even up the balance. The Senna tragedy wasn't overdone nor was it overly sentimental but caught the mood just right. The sounds were great.
I do miss Senna and F1 from those times. Great film.
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22 Jun 2011, 08:30
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Saw it at Carmarthen last night, when I booked it was a one night only deal.. but checking this morning it has been extended into next week.
Enjoyed it immensely - although it reminded me of how much F1 has left me behind, although we have better coverage now, I find the sport itself is far less attractive.
There were a few places that drew laughter from the audience, and I think the introduction of a few "lighter" moments was well timed. I took someone much younger than I along, He says he learned about F1 as it was then (just before he started watching it).
I have seen (on another forum) someone saying they were disappointed with the film (Maybe a Prost fan  ), But for me it was worth seeing.
Just My Opinion.... YMMV
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