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Anyway, the WEC schedule is essentially set by the big auto companies participating in it. If not, there would not be talks about multiple races in China/India and a race in South America. They know how many races they want to race in and where they want to race at. The schedule will reflect that. In American terms, your idea is a lot more like NCAA Division I-A college football with the bowls. It's not exactly the same, but it is confusing and leads to questionable results. The fans hate it and want to see a more traditional championship format. |
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On Sunday I was admiring a signed Silk Cut Jag poster from 1987.
I wasn't paying a LOT of attention, but I seem to recall about 10 or 12 rounds, including a race in Australia? I'm sure someone here can enlighten me. Point being, howcome a World Sportscar Title back then could justify all those races, yet now we have squabbles over 5 or 6 rounds? Money, and Hospitality. Audi and Peugeot didn't have a tent with champagne on tap for invited guests, but massive semi permanent buildings, blocking spectator viewing of certain parts of the track... How much does something like that cost to run, never mind the race team? This is getting unreal. You want F1 hospitality, go to F1! Yes, they are important players, but it seems to ignore the thousands of people who aren't there just to be seen. Perhaps if they had something you could go into, and look/see? Give something back to the spectators? Just a thought... |
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Back then the WSC was effectively a European championship, the WEC will be going to the four corners of the world, with much more effort from organisors and participants put into the media and PR side.
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I do wonder who is going to pay the shipping bills for the WEC. Are the promoters paying for some/all of the bills to have teams ship their stuff? Or are the teams footing the bill completely? |
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The use of 'F1 hospitality', whatever that means, seems to be their prerogative. The continuing presence of the suites suggests it is a fiscally viable exercise for them. It doesn't make sense to cost-cap teams' hospitality setups, and surely they are entitled to invest where they want without being told they need to go to another series to have such a posh getup. If the entertainment in the suites earns money, money puts cars on track, and cars on track gives us an unbelievably close Le Mans like 2011, then long live the suites! |
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The problem with Asa's World Tour is that manufacturers want to beat other manufacturers. Ferrari wants to beat Porsche, Chevrolet, Aston Martin and Nissan. Facing just one or two rivals or small privateers is meaningless.
I believe that a proper world championship needs strong continental championships. Since most races are in Europe, the best way to support the Euro Le Mans Series is to limit European races to 3, so teams and sponsors who can't / don't want to leave Europe stick to the European championship. The American Le Mans Series is facing issues apart from manufacturer involvement. This won't change much to them, because works teams don't need to go to North America more than three times. |
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This might have been way back, even a little before I was born, but in the 70s and early 80s, the World Sportscar Championship would often recruit IMSA or Trans-Am as a supporting cast for their American rounds, and I think the same could be in the event of a complete failure of ALMS be done today. To a certain degree WRC is still doing that today, allowing those weird little 1liter-cars into Rallye Japan. Why not simply race with Brasilian GT3 at Interlagos? Or Super Taikyu somewhere in Japan? It doesn't really take a "XYZ Le Mans Series" to fill the grids of the World Championship, within reason any other race car will do just as well. Because, let's face it, 90% of the grid will be viewed as field fillers and rolling chicanes for the juggernauts at the top of the field by most of the specators and the media, if they are built to ACO-rules or not. |
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The blocking of spectators seeing the track was only opposite the Ford chicane in the hospitality area that was blocked by the smaller teams' tents (Oreca etc) nevermind the Audi monsters, and on the inside of the Dunlop chicane from what I saw. Doesn't really ruin much of the experience and if it helps guarantee the big teams coming who are we to complain? |
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I object, if we have a load of folks who are ONLY there to be seen to be there, drink a little, eat something, and 'network' a lot.
Queen's Club tennis Sunday was rained off. It was remarked upon by most of the Press, that when they sold tickets for the re-scheduled Monday, the seats were ACTUALLY filled... By fans. Apparently most seats are usually Corporate Sponsor sales, and no one uses them??? By all means have Hospitality. But does it HAVE to be so massive, and does it HAVE to exclude fans from a section of track? They can set these things back a little, and they still have their party, but we can get to see, too. |
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The entry list for the ILMC has numbered around the high-20s all year, so you need to keep the grid nice and full somehow My concept of a world championship would have them running Sebring 12 Hours, Bathurst 12 hours, Monza 1000km, Spa 1000km, Le Mans 24 Hours, Nurburgring 1000km, Silverstone 1000km, Petit Le Mans, Fuji 1000km, Mil Milhas (at Interlagos). At the American rounds the ALMS would also race with their car numbers suffixed with an A. At the European rounds the LMS would also race with their car numbers having an E after them. For Bathurst you would have Australian GT cars with A after their numbers, Fuji would have Super Taikyu GT3 cars running with a J and Interlagos would have Brasilian GT cars running with a B. |
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Anyone else think since this is basically an FIA thing, they'll use newer FIA tracks? Circuit of the Americas? India? Korea? (Attract Hyundai)
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Using the FIA just in name then? I don't see that happening. WORLD being the key part in my thinking. Maybe not every FIA track, but why not the new ones that're in parts of the world they intend to run?
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http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ec-involvement
Btw: With the WEC schedule set to be confirmed in September by the FIA World Motor Sport Council |
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http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...985-08-11.html ..or the local Group C field in Japan. These either ran by adding the local classes onto the entry, adding a single 'catch-all' class for local cars, or simply as part of the regular class structure (Don't forget that Group C always included IMSA classes- Mazda ran their 'Group C' entries to IMSA regs for a while, and there were often American IMSA entries at Le Mans- Bob Tullius' Group 44 Jaguars probably the best-known) Even when the FIA made participation in the full season mandatory for teams in the World Championship around 1989/90, some of the smaller privateer teams got round this for the Japanese trip by leasing their entry slots out to local Group C teams who IIRC appeared under the name of the regular team on the entry list. To some extent it's not that far away from what happens currently, with the ALMS regulars making up a proportion of the entry at Sebring and PLM, the LMS field making up about half the grid for some of the Euro races, and some local GT3 cars in China |
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Interesting article in DSC about the WEC. Malcolm seems to believe that the North American event will not be at a track the ALMS currently visits, nor will it actually be an ALMS event.
Homestead? Texas? Daytona 24? Sometimes it defies logic as to what the ACO might be thinking, assuming Malcolm has been correctly informed, which he usually is. |
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To this we'd add a WEC round, giving us three front line ACO rules rounds in the US - not - I would argue an overly bad thing. That said, Malcolm's article made a lot of good points - sorting backing, travel packages, and what would be put in place for teams needs to be sorted soon, and they do need to get the calendar nailed as soon as possible. Manufacturers are important, but we need quality across the rest of the grid - after all, when talking about the WEC everyone name checks classic seasons from the 1980s, nobody, so far, has expressed enthusiasm for going back to 1992. |
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