So you are Jamie Whincup....

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by JC Ohope

While I agree that Murph is a bit rich to trash talk given his recent performances in the V8's, it does make me laugh how inaccurate your post is.

Laugh? Inaccurate?

Originally Posted by JC Ohope

In 2002 and 2003 he was second only to two of what I'm sure anyone would call "legends" of Aussie V8's (Mark Skaife and Marcos Ambrose) so hardly "never even close".

I don't know if you started following motorsport after these seasons, I did for a long time before and can put these seasons in context. In '02 Murph may've ended up second and I can acknowledge that as a good season, but you'll see, if you did your research, that Murph was just as much chance for the title as what Daryl Beattie and Paul Romano were, the way Skaife was going.

In '03 IIRC, he benefitted from the points being heavily weighted towards Bathurst. Even if he didn't the points that year didn't allow the true result to occur, either way, he wasn't much of a threat to Ambrose, who just had to turn up for the last couple of rounds.

Originally Posted by JC Ohope

Of the current V8 drives he is 4th on the total number of wins (Behind Lowndes, Whincup and Tander) so hardly.... nowhere...

On the surface, a pretty stat, however, if you did your reasearch, not that big of a deal. He's just picked up the odd win here and there over a long period of time which looks nice. He's never even dominated a part of a season, let alone a whole season.

Originally Posted by JC Ohope

If you want a list of current V8 drivers who really have 'never done much' despite good cars/equipment I'd suggest looking at people like Jason Bargwana (7 Wins) or Steven Johnson (3 wins), both of which haven't even managed to get in the top 3 despite long careers in V8's.

To be fair, aside from a year or two at GRM, has Bargwanna ever had the machines to look pretty? As for SJ, you can't have a go at him because he's beyond c**p!

Actually, as I write this, you're right, I am inaccurate. In '94 Murph was a real good chance to win the FBrabham title, it went to the last race/round of the year. The problem was, Murph just doesn't have it in him and Paul Stokell did.