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Old 12 Aug 2011, 21:59 (Ref:2939079)   #401
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Thanks for that, Gerry.
I've got a stack of programmes from back then hidden away somewhere.

I've also got the original number plates off XOO 349F.
I may well have got this wrong, so please correct me if you know the true facts, but if I remember it correctly, the very first racing Escorts were built in Germany and had to be UK registered to be imported in to the UK. They were given the registration numbers XOO 341F to XOO 349F.
All the pictures I have seen of XOO 349F show it with stick on vinyl number plates. The ones I have got are the old flat aluminium reflective plate with the rivet on raised plastic figures.
Steve worked for Broadspeed at one time, so I'm guessing that there was a connection with Ford's competition department and he somehow managed to keep the old aluminium number plates when they were replaced.

I was only a teenager at the time, so I'm a bit hazy on the details.
I'd forgotten that the Anglia started off with a 1300 engine, as that programme shows.
I'd also forgotten the Escort was plain white, as Dan mentions, before it was blue & white.

There's a picture of Steve and his Escort here.
http://www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder....trobertson.htm
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Old 13 Aug 2011, 14:47 (Ref:2939244)   #402
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Hi Graham, sorry to butt in. On Motorsport History thread, if you go to bottom and then page 4 "Need help tracing history of Alan Mann Escort" on pages 16 and 17 I put a couple of photos up of Broadspeed Escorts, at least one if not both is of XOO 349 F.
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Old 13 Aug 2011, 18:37 (Ref:2939308)   #403
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Hi Graham

I remember Steve very well as my brother Chris and I raced against him many times in the early to mid seventies. We and Steve were usually towards the back of the field as the spaceframed cars and Supersaloons were far faster than our steel bodied Escort. I remember chatting to him once at Mallory Park or Oulton Park in 1974/5 - you were probably there then.

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Old 22 Aug 2011, 19:59 (Ref:2944362)   #404
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I have been through nearly all the Thundersaloon and related threads on here, any chance of a serious go at identifying the current where-abouts of Thundersaloons & Silhouettes from the early '90s before this type of racing stopped? This was my era and I loved these cars;
From 90-91
Stevens/Millard/Cleland/Woodman Vauxhall Carlton-Chevy & Marshall/Oatway Opel Manta-Pontiac "Stars and Stripes"- both still around, will both be at Mallory

But how about;
Birley/King Mitsu Starion-Cosworth
Tony Wolfe (in '92 Ron Cummings?) Honda Legend-Chevy
Farmer/Cox/Millichap/Wallace Sierra RS500-Chevy big block "Black Thunder"
Dell/Boarer Toyota Starlet
Morton/Mortlock Toyota Starlet
Jackson - Sierra RS500 - the ex-Sean Walker car. I think the Mahoney "Arquati" car ended up in thundersaloons as well.
Jackson/Liles Astra 2.4l
Maries/Nash Holden Commodore
Chilton/Philips Vauxhall Senator-Chevy
Shepherd/Whale Vauxhall Calibra-Pontiac? 6.6lire - is this at Mallory?
Wilson/Birley "Armour All" Mazda RX7 - used to be beat even the Sertec Carlton
Rod Birley ran a Honda Prelude turbo with Richard Piper in 93, again with Armour All sponsorship I think.
Mike Chittenden Escort Cosworth - red spaceframe one - did this get destroyed at Snetterton?
Mustill RS500 - the all dark blue one with huge bodykit
Chatfield/Streather BMW M3 (ex-Tyson/Luby prods car? Had same livery) & 320i (white with blue underbody, big wheel-arch extensions)
Ward/Dickinson Manta 2.4l
Morris/Morris Peugeot 309
Whale/Hodgetts - Toyota Supra
Pearson/Marshall - Toyota Supra
Both of these were ex 1988 BTCC cars, not modified a great deal but a lot faster out of GrpA especially with Hodgetts peddling.
Nick Crocker's Opel Monza-Chevy all white, big wing on the back.
Ashton/Hales Vauxhall Belmont 2.3l - another ex-BTCC car
David Lesli ran a Merc 190-Chevy in 93 as well I think, my memory not as good, and there was a Quaife/Hathaway Escort Turbo in 93 and I am sure a bright orange "Escat" with a Jag V12 shoe-horned into a Escort Cosworth 4x4, but it kept doing a few practice laps, breaking the final drives and not starting races I remember, was an amazing piece of kit while it was working.
Anyway, I have wracked my memory enough, here's a clip I posted on YT to start you off, help prove me right/wrong, thanks!
http://youtu.be/ESF37WwlEEg
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Old 23 Aug 2011, 20:32 (Ref:2944812)   #405
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Scans of race programmes, that is what I need to start off with, anyone send me a scan of Siluette, specials, super-saloons, Thundersaloons races from programmes? If I know the venue, club and date that will be a good reference to start matching up who was driving what and when. Link photos to that framework and a history of the cars will take shape.
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Old 24 Aug 2011, 00:02 (Ref:2944879)   #406
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The Chittenden car was destroyed at Snetterton. Black Thunder is also no more.
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Old 11 Dec 2011, 21:18 (Ref:2998545)   #407
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The Chatfield 320 gp5 was with AlexE being restored the last I heard and the Birley prelude is owned by Peter Thurston.
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Old 11 Dec 2011, 21:21 (Ref:2998548)   #408
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Also the Belmont is owned by a poster on the forums and is still being raced.
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Old 13 Dec 2011, 23:38 (Ref:2999473)   #409
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Someone mention me? My ears were burning...
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Old 13 Dec 2011, 23:55 (Ref:2999478)   #410
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I'll try and fill in what I can:

Birley/King Mitsu Starion-Cosworth - Stolen from Brands Hatch.
Tony Wolfe (in '92 Ron Cummings?) Honda Legend-Chevy - Went abroad
Farmer/Cox/Millichap/Wallace Sierra RS500-Chevy big block "Black Thunder" - Became Michael Blomfields Special Saloon - wiped out at Oulton Park in 2010, a small chance of getting rebuilt.
Dell/Boarer Toyota Starlet - unknown
Morton/Mortlock Toyota Starlet - last seen at Lydden in Sports/Saloons some years back
Jackson - Sierra RS500 - the ex-Sean Walker car. I think the Mahoney "Arquati" car ended up in thundersaloons as well. Yes it did.
Jackson/Liles Astra 2.4l - unknown
Maries/Nash Holden Commodore - unknown
Chilton/Philips Vauxhall Senator-Chevy - unknown
Shepherd/Whale Vauxhall Calibra-Pontiac? 6.6lire - is this at Mallory? - The one at Mallory was indeed the car built by Pilbeam for Bill Shepherd. Jon Mann owns it and hopes to get it finished one day. Bill also had a copy made - fixing some of the issues that the Pilbeam car had. That is owned and by Ric Wood and sometimes comes out in the BARC NW Sports & Saloons
Wilson/Birley "Armour All" Mazda RX7 - used to be beat even the Sertec Carlton - unknown.
Rod Birley ran a Honda Prelude turbo with Richard Piper in 93, again with Armour All sponsorship I think. - Sold first to Peter Thurston, then on to a very nice chap in the Channel Islands. For sale again £30K
Mike Chittenden Escort Cosworth - red spaceframe one - did this get destroyed at Snetterton? - Yes
Mustill RS500 - the all dark blue one with huge bodykit
Chatfield/Streather BMW M3 (ex-Tyson/Luby prods car? Had same livery) & 320i (white with blue underbody, big wheel-arch extensions) - probably sold by HMRC to recover funds owed
Ward/Dickinson Manta 2.4l - Still owns it I believe
Morris/Morris Peugeot 309 - Not sure, but another one was built by SHP and run by Paul McMillan - now owned by a chap not far from me who is rebuilding it all pretty!
Whale/Hodgetts - Toyota Supra - Unknown
Pearson/Marshall - Toyota Supra - Unknown
Both of these were ex 1988 BTCC cars, not modified a great deal but a lot faster out of GrpA especially with Hodgetts peddling.
Nick Crocker's Opel Monza-Chevy all white, big wing on the back. Nick sold the Monza and bought a Pontiac Trans-AM, which he used in Formula Saloons, and may well get back out in some shape or form....
Ashton/Hales Vauxhall Belmont 2.3l - another ex-BTCC car Oh no it wasn't! It was a ground-up built Thundersaloon, built by Empress Race Developments - and I have it now - with 6.7L of Chevy V8 in it
David Lesli ran a Merc 190-Chevy in 93 as well I think, my memory not as good. Another Empress Built machine - this one belonged to Jason Dell, had a F1 Powerboat engine, but was problematic. Sold abroad when Thundersaloons collapsed
Add to that Stewart Mortons Escort Chevrolet - which is 85% finished in the hands for Retro Motorsport - or a customer of theirs, plus Matthew Mortlock's Escort Cosworth, and who could forget the Donnan Brothers with their Empress built Sierra Cosworth (C-Fresh). Just before Thundersaloons folded, the car was being rebuilt using Quaife 4x4 running gear to complement a totally mad 2.4Cosworth YB that produced 740hp!!
and there was a Quaife/Hathaway Escort Turbo in 93 and I am sure a bright orange "Escat" with a Jag V12 shoe-horned into a Escort Cosworth 4x4, but it kept doing a few practice laps, breaking the final drives and not starting races I remember, was an amazing piece of kit while it was working.
Anyway, I have wracked my memory enough, here's a clip I posted on YT to start you off, help prove me right/wrong, thanks!
http://youtu.be/ESF37WwlEEg

Oooo thems was the days!

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Old 18 Dec 2011, 00:56 (Ref:3001427)   #411
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The Chimp:
I have said B19 in my possession & given that she is gathering dust at present, i wonder how much time/money it would take to put her back to the Chimp? I have heard of their being a revival for this series but knowing the politics in period that surrounded the Chimp, would she be welcomed? Vauxhall wouldn't like it!
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Old 18 Dec 2011, 12:38 (Ref:3001522)   #412
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Haha that would be I great addition and amusing too see vauxhalls face oh no its back? Haha
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Old 19 Dec 2011, 22:48 (Ref:3002039)   #413
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I'll try and fill in what I can:

Birley/King Mitsu Starion-Cosworth - Stolen from Brands Hatch.
Tony Wolfe (in '92 Ron Cummings?) Honda Legend-Chevy - Went abroad
Farmer/Cox/Millichap/Wallace Sierra RS500-Chevy big block "Black Thunder" - Became Michael Blomfields Special Saloon - wiped out at Oulton Park in 2010, a small chance of getting rebuilt.
Dell/Boarer Toyota Starlet - unknown
Morton/Mortlock Toyota Starlet - last seen at Lydden in Sports/Saloons some years back
Jackson - Sierra RS500 - the ex-Sean Walker car. I think the Mahoney "Arquati" car ended up in thundersaloons as well. Yes it did.
Jackson/Liles Astra 2.4l - unknown
Maries/Nash Holden Commodore - unknown
Chilton/Philips Vauxhall Senator-Chevy - unknown
Shepherd/Whale Vauxhall Calibra-Pontiac? 6.6lire - is this at Mallory? - The one at Mallory was indeed the car built by Pilbeam for Bill Shepherd. Jon Mann owns it and hopes to get it finished one day. Bill also had a copy made - fixing some of the issues that the Pilbeam car had. That is owned and by Ric Wood and sometimes comes out in the BARC NW Sports & Saloons
Wilson/Birley "Armour All" Mazda RX7 - used to be beat even the Sertec Carlton - unknown.
Rod Birley ran a Honda Prelude turbo with Richard Piper in 93, again with Armour All sponsorship I think. - Sold first to Peter Thurston, then on to a very nice chap in the Channel Islands. For sale again £30K
Mike Chittenden Escort Cosworth - red spaceframe one - did this get destroyed at Snetterton? - Yes
Mustill RS500 - the all dark blue one with huge bodykit
Chatfield/Streather BMW M3 (ex-Tyson/Luby prods car? Had same livery) & 320i (white with blue underbody, big wheel-arch extensions) - probably sold by HMRC to recover funds owed
Ward/Dickinson Manta 2.4l - Still owns it I believe
Morris/Morris Peugeot 309 - Not sure, but another one was built by SHP and run by Paul McMillan - now owned by a chap not far from me who is rebuilding it all pretty!
Whale/Hodgetts - Toyota Supra - Unknown
Pearson/Marshall - Toyota Supra - Unknown
Both of these were ex 1988 BTCC cars, not modified a great deal but a lot faster out of GrpA especially with Hodgetts peddling.
Nick Crocker's Opel Monza-Chevy all white, big wing on the back. Nick sold the Monza and bought a Pontiac Trans-AM, which he used in Formula Saloons, and may well get back out in some shape or form....
Ashton/Hales Vauxhall Belmont 2.3l - another ex-BTCC car Oh no it wasn't! It was a ground-up built Thundersaloon, built by Empress Race Developments - and I have it now - with 6.7L of Chevy V8 in it
David Lesli ran a Merc 190-Chevy in 93 as well I think, my memory not as good. Another Empress Built machine - this one belonged to Jason Dell, had a F1 Powerboat engine, but was problematic. Sold abroad when Thundersaloons collapsed
Add to that Stewart Mortons Escort Chevrolet - which is 85% finished in the hands for Retro Motorsport - or a customer of theirs, plus Matthew Mortlock's Escort Cosworth, and who could forget the Donnan Brothers with their Empress built Sierra Cosworth (C-Fresh). Just before Thundersaloons folded, the car was being rebuilt using Quaife 4x4 running gear to complement a totally mad 2.4Cosworth YB that produced 740hp!!
and there was a Quaife/Hathaway Escort Turbo in 93 and I am sure a bright orange "Escat" with a Jag V12 shoe-horned into a Escort Cosworth 4x4, but it kept doing a few practice laps, breaking the final drives and not starting races I remember, was an amazing piece of kit while it was working.
Anyway, I have wracked my memory enough, here's a clip I posted on YT to start you off, help prove me right/wrong, thanks!
http://youtu.be/ESF37WwlEEg

Oooo thems was the days!

Rob.
lol @ all pretty. I like to think of it as tidy Rob

The 309 is coming along well, I'm certainly not planning to enter it into any show or shine events.

As it was on sunday



Some of those cars on that list above sound insane, I really missed out as a young kid !
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Old 20 Dec 2011, 21:15 (Ref:3002436)   #414
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I like the "axle stands". Do GKN Chep know that you've got half a million pounds-worth of their pallets under your car?

I hope to get some work done on the Belmont over the xmas period - finding time to work on it is quite often difficult.
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Old 21 Dec 2011, 13:15 (Ref:3002679)   #415
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Ha, no they don't but they do make excellent stands that are available in many height options !

Luckily we have a fair bit of time to work on mine over Christmas, just looking forward to seeing it painted more than anything
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Old 23 Dec 2011, 23:44 (Ref:3003744)   #416
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You know you two have two of the best cars ever built chaps great too hear an see there being done well here's some isperation start an finish picture am glad mines finishes that looks good work in the making pal keep grafting bud you will get there
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Old 24 Dec 2011, 00:10 (Ref:3003755)   #417
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Thanks Lee, your car is always looking great !

Good to see that your car gets so much use
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Thanks pal I've broke shafts cheap bolts all sorts
Ah but you an rob will be out soon no doubt feel the good buzz be good too see you in classic thunder I am in group g there you'll be ok your cars a proper thunder saloon half my cars alloy an fibreglass
Be great too see you an rob out there
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hello John Wood.
are you the John Wood from Liverpool, who had a car carpet company?
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Yes afraid I am, however if this is a warranty claim the carpet sets did not have a 30yr+ guarantee.
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i used to work on your transit van and the bus you bought as a transporter.

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I am trying to fill in some missing info on my Toyota Starlet. There have been a couple mentioned in previous posts. Dell/Boarer and Morton/ Mortlock cars.

The car was built by SHP in 1991 and I bought it from Richard Williamson in 1996 but as far as I know he only had it for a year or so. Does anyone know its history from 1991-1994?

It might have been an oval racer in that time. When Richard raced, it was TVR/Rover V8 powered and white with a red and blue stripe.

Any info would be much appreciated

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thundersaloons

i think the Birley/Wilson RX7 is still owned by wilson.
the bmw 3 series shared by brian chatfield and dave streather i always thought was owned by dave streather.
is dave still about?
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Sorry if this is slightly off topic but does anyone have a copy of the early 70's Fast Car (could have been Auto Enthusiast ) magazine which featured Dennis Leech's Boss 429 Mustang? Been on the look out for this for a few years but with no joy....?
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29th june theres a test day /press day for the special saloon/modsport race in august .theres over 30 cars going to be there including lots of cars mentioned in this thread ,
Not looked at this thread for a while and i just see this = no luck
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