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28 May 2012, 12:55
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Originally Posted by GT6
Closed cockpits would be just dreadful what do they think they are trying to do
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Make a dangerous sport that bit safer !!!
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28 May 2012, 17:54
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Originally Posted by duke_toaster
I guess they would percolate down. My only concern with these would be speed of getting out of the car, which I feel sure the fly boys have already got sorted out.
Things that can hit the driver on the head are something that need to be avoided, that is probably the most dangerous thing in a modern single seater (well, toss-up between that and wheel over wheel crashes).
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I have to type this or my brain will explode!
As a sidepoint, not only single seaters have this problem, I remember in a BTCC support race (I think it was SEATs or Clios) where one of the tyres they stick on the corners bouncing in to a touring car windscreen, with the tyre winding up making a massive tyre-sized hole. Now if that happened in a single seater race, it could be curtains. Perhaps in some cases race track furniture could actually be a bit more thought out e.g. not having heavy stuff on the inside of corners, just stick polystyrene advert hoardings there or something equally breaky-uppy in case it gets hit.
Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic
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That is exactly the thought I was having. It's all very well having something like to protect the driver from projectiles, but what happens when he/she needs to get out in a hurry (e.g. in case of an engine fire) or medical people need to get in?
A solution for this would be a Co2 release system with buttons inside the cockpit and on the engine cover/side pod.
Also, if you're going to have what is effectively a 'windshield' then you're also going to need a windshield wiper for when it rains (unless you use Rain-X or a similar coating system).
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30 May 2012, 01:53
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This video of the Mike Conway Will Power crash at the 2012 Indy 500 graphically illustrates the dangers facing open cockpit drivers.
Conway's head on the wall, fortunately the car was going backwards, Power's car going underneath Conway's car, Power's wheel prevented from hitting him in the head by the tether. Loose wheel very nearly impacting passing cars (Helio Castro-Nevis' incar shot - close call), further loose wheel just running down the circuit.
The fact that nobody got hurt was way more good luck than good management!
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sport...dianapolis-500#
Last edited by wnut; 30 May 2012 at 02:05.
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14 Jun 2012, 06:39
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Originally Posted by wnut
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But clearly not thick enough to offer more than aerodynamic benefits....
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14 Jun 2012, 08:41
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Originally Posted by Hubble
But clearly not thick enough to offer more than aerodynamic benefits....
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No arguments there!
Point was, it could be achieved and still look reasonable, and there is still a dirty great roll tube to take a frontal impact before the drivers face in a frontal impact in the top fuel car.
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14 Jun 2012, 13:07
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Originally Posted by ASCII Man
Since when did everyone become such pansies?
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+1. And before anyone calls me part of the old guard, I'm 21. If you're scared, don't do it.
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14 Jun 2012, 13:23
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Originally Posted by barnettracing
+1. And before anyone calls me part of the old guard, I'm 21. If you're scared, don't do it.
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Fear and being scared should have nothing to do with striving towards making a dangerous sport (it says so on the ticket) that little bit safer.
On Track...
Catch fencing (no not the oval type) -> Gravel
Gravel -> Tarmac Run off
Concrete wall -> Tyre walls
Tyre Walls -> Tyres plus recticell foam
In the US on ovals Concrete Walls -> Concrete+ safer Barrier
For Cars...
No seat belts -> seatbelts
little Frontal Protection -> safety cells
Little Head Protection -> Raised cockpit sides
No Back or Neck Protection -> HANS devices
For Spectators and others...
Safe Zones between the Extreme of the circuit and the Fans
Wheel Tethers to reduce the chances of wheels going into the Crowd.
Spectator fencing (as much as I don't like it as an amateur snapper) it makes the whole experience safer.
These are just a few things that have made the sport that bit safer ... Why argue against the next steps?
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14 Jun 2012, 14:30
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@ ScotsBrutesFan: Whay argue against the next steps? Because people still have the notion that somehow autoracing isn't worth doing unless you can be bravely decapitated (See: Cevert, F) while driving or be cruelly thrown into the trees (See Clark, J - and others). I just don't get that. The magic of Clark was his skill as a driver. I got no added "kick' in thinking he might be killed or maimed at any moment. What I want to see is excellence in driving.
I mean really, is great art viewed as a lesser accomplishment if the artist was not creating the work in a pit surrounded by pit vipers with an anxiety disorder?
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14 Jun 2012, 16:05
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Originally Posted by wnut
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That car's flat bottomed, so once it climbs up over the rear wheel of the car in front, the air is going to get under it and it's going to take off.
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28 Jun 2012, 00:24
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Anything that can be done to make motor racing safer is worth doing!
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Anything. Does that include removing drivers from cars or limiting top speed to 35kph? 
Motosport is dangerous and some risks should remain acceptable.
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28 Jun 2012, 00:30
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Originally Posted by dsg
Anything. Does that include removing drivers from cars or limiting top speed to 35kph?
Motosport is dangerous and some risks should remain acceptable. |
YOu have clearly lead a sheltered life, or just don't get it!
Motor racing is inherently dangerous, and great fun until it goes wrong!
Stupid not to mitigate the risks, and to learn from experience.
Please feel free to race without a helmet, seat belts and fire proof clothing, you will help the gene pool! 
Motor racing is about skill, crashing is about lack of skill!
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28 Jun 2012, 00:35
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Originally Posted by wnut
YOu have clearly lead a sheltered life, or just don't get it!
Motor racing is inherently dangerous, and great fun until it goes wrong!
Stupid not to mitigate the risks, and to learn from experience.
Please feel free to race without a helmet, seat belts and fire proof clothing, you will help the gene pool!
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Glad you agree. Anything is a step too far. 
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