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18 Jun 2012, 06:38
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Originally Posted by TF110
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Yes, Toyota's operations manager Rob Leupen was in the Eurosport booth twice and confirmed just that. The team took a cautious start until the first pit stops were completed and the drivers started getting confidence in the car.
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18 Jun 2012, 07:41
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Really impressed by Toyota especially as the cars first outing was at Le Mans, was great to hear a petrol car challenge the diesels as well
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18 Jun 2012, 12:22
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#3618
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Toyota says pace during early part of the Le Mans 24 Hours was genuine
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Vasselon believes the TS030's race debut showed that there are some key areas where it will be able to keep Audi on its toes when their battle resumes over the rest of the World Endurance Championship season.
"I would say we have three strengths in our car," he said.
"The hybrid system has worked consistently well all through qualifying and the race, aero is good, and the biggest benefit in the race is our tyre management.
"The car is very kind on tyres. We went to four stints [on each set of tyres] and that is where we made up the ground."
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Audi could indeed only triple stint the tyres. For course with Toyota's shorter stints because of a higher fuel consumption, this is a bit easier to accomplish.
Last edited by gwyllion; 18 Jun 2012 at 21:17.
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18 Jun 2012, 15:17
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#3620
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Originally Posted by Plex
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So! Now...it's Audi drivers with their Horsepower advantage having a 'moan' !
Fact is, the Mechanical KERS system was never going to be as good as the all Electronic technology!
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18 Jun 2012, 15:23
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#3621
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Originally Posted by Rennen
So! Now...it's Audi drivers with their Horsepower advantage having a 'moan' !
Fact is, the Mechanical KERS system was never going to be as good as the all Electronic technology!
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I'd say the rules are pretty well balanced at the moment, both petrol vs diesel and hybrid wise. Also nobody forced Audi to use the system they use right?
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18 Jun 2012, 15:24
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I was so chuffed to see the Toyota's real in the 'ever so mighty' Audi's as if they'd all of sudden developed some sort of technical error.
This bodes very well for the remainder of the season and ofcourse for Le Mans next year, when Toyota will enter at least three cars.
Go Toyota ! 
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18 Jun 2012, 15:26
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Originally Posted by Rennen
So! Now...it's Audi drivers with their Horsepower advantage having a 'moan' !
Fact is, the Mechanical KERS system was never going to be as good as the all Electronic technology!
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The fact that Audi went for a flywheel accumulator, is independent of the choice to do the energy recovery at the front axle 
If Audi would have used another energy storage technology, such as electrochemical supercapacitors, instead of the flywheel accumulator, they would still have to comply with the 120 km/h rule.
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18 Jun 2012, 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rennen
So! Now...it's Audi drivers with their Horsepower advantage having a 'moan' !
Fact is, the Mechanical KERS system was never going to be as good as the all Electronic technology!
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Well the efficiency of a all electric is obvius..
Audi
Braking-generator-inverter(AC-DC or DCto DC)->eMotor->flywheel->generator->inverter->Emotor-> accel
Totota
Brakking-> generator->inverter->capacitor->inverter->eMotor->accel
But then again, front el motor should be able to recover more energy, but I don't think neither audis nor Toyotas generators are topping off, so this issue is no-existencial...
Toyota has a more efficient system, and a more practical system (usable from 0)
Audi has a lighter system..
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18 Jun 2012, 19:54
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On a lighter less technical note...take a look at Ant's latest tweet picture of what the Toyota guys brought to the Hospital for him as a momento...via his website www.anthonydavidson.com and his witty remark!
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18 Jun 2012, 20:17
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Originally Posted by kurski
Do you know how much ORECA employees working in Toyota TS030 Hybrid Racing?
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Quote from Toyota:"20"
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Originally Posted by Acid09
One of the cars is already a Oreca car basically, they supply the crew for one of the cars and the engineer for the other.
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The Oreca team is intergrated into the TMG team, and cannot be clearly diveded as such. I asked them myself at the pit-visit.
Another thing i asked about was the Toyota's hybrid use in the wet. Toyota claims to be able to use the hybrid drive in the wet just as well as in the dry.
Also Toyota believe that the TS030 is the most aerodynamically effecient of both the 908 and the R18.
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18 Jun 2012, 20:48
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Originally Posted by gwyllion
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So how many laps per stint did the Audi's do? 11, maybe 12? Lets take 12 lap stints for arguments sake; 12 laps per stint x 3 stints = 36 laps per tire.
Lets say Toyota only did 10 laps per stint, but they quadruple stinted their tires; 10 laps per stint x 4 stints = 40 laps per tire.
No matter how you cut it, the Toyota was kinder to it's tires according to the math. This bodes well, even if they use fuel more you can do the calculations on time saved in the pits by just refueling instead of changing tires and refueling. I don't currently have the information on this, so if someone wants to do the math that would be great. If not I will look into it a bit later.
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18 Jun 2012, 21:03
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Your logic doesn't prove that Audi couldn't do 40 laps on a set of tyres and that they were harder on their tyres. It only shows that teams can only change tyres on an integer number of stints and that you can't change tyres while the car is on track. We just don't know.
Paul Truswell covered this on RLM.
One thing is clear it was just building nicely for us all to see how these things would have panned out...
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18 Jun 2012, 21:16
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Adam43 is right. Maybe Audi can do another 4 laps on the tyres after 3 stints, so 3*12 + 4 = 40 laps, but then the tyres drop off.
If Audi wanted to quadruple stint the tyres, they had to do 48 laps. That is 8 more laps than Toyota...
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18 Jun 2012, 21:28
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I really liked the Toyota approach to the event. I remember being mesmerised by the GT One, when Tertre Rouge was approached a lot more quickly than it is now and also a lot darker, so the spectacle was that much greater!
The new car seems to hold a clear lineage back to that excellent car. I just hope they can continue the good work they've already achieved.
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