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18 Jul 2012, 07:34
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ELMS should link up with GT open or another GT series and have 6 'prestige' races as joint events forming the ELMS and then the GT series could have some standalone races as well.
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What's in it for the GT-Open teams?
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18 Jul 2012, 07:44
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What's in it for the GT-Open teams?
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Potential LM entries?
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18 Jul 2012, 07:48
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I count myself as being a massive race fan (and club competitor) and I have even helped teams out in British GT etc so i'd like to think that I have a reasonable level of knowledge but Sportscar and GT racing confuses the hell out of me. We seem to have the WEC & ELMS and Speed for the Prototypes (at various budget levels) and then in GT we have GT1, GTE, GT3, GT4. There's Blancpain, GT Open etc etc.
How confusing. Can someone give me a simple digest of what's what please and then perhaps we can come up with suggestions to keep it simple.
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18 Jul 2012, 08:28
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Potential LM entries?
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But if the gt open teams would have wanted an lm entry they would have joined elms instead of gt open. (i mean the teams with gte cars)
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18 Jul 2012, 08:38
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At drastically increased costs.
More entry fees
Full crew for pitstops and in race repairs
More Tires, Fuel and other consumables.
And as LMS said, if they are interested in that they could have entered ELMS this year.
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18 Jul 2012, 09:00
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The principal of my point was that there are too many GT series in Europe and if ELMS is to survive it needs to be involved with a streamlined offering with one of the other series.
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18 Jul 2012, 09:18
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The principal of my point was that there are too many GT series in Europe and if ELMS is to survive it needs to be involved with a streamlined offering with one of the other series.
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But if GT-Open isn't going to do it, and Ratel sure has hell isn't going to do it, who will be left?
The one thing I could perhaps see is to have GT-Open and the prototypes in one series, but in name only.
I.e. have them run together in enduros for a very limited number of races (2 or on the very outside 3 ) and do separate shorter races for another 4 shared weekends, with perhaps a couple of extra rounds for the GTs.
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18 Jul 2012, 09:20
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The principal of my point was that there are too many GT series in Europe and if ELMS is to survive it needs to be involved with a streamlined offering with one of the other series.
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I quite agree. Opinions will differ in how this is achieved, but I think all will agree that it needs to be done quickly. Of course the two schools of thought are intervention by the FIA to create distinct classes in order to streamline series. The other is for the situation to be left as it is and see which series die and which ones carry on (survival of the fittest basically).
Obviously, both methods have their disadvantages, for instance, the FIA has not often made the right decisions, and it is very hard to get all the different series to agree on a few set formulae for GT and sportscar racing. The natural selection approach could potentially ruin the sport as we know it as even the strongest series may only just survive, but not in the way that they should exist.
Streamlining the series is essential for a recovery in sportscar and GT racing. IMO I hope that the FIA think of something clever in order to improve the situation the discipline right now.
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18 Jul 2012, 09:30
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The too many series thing is actually less drastic than it appears.
Ratel is going to kill off either one or both of his sprint series over the winter and that should solve his problems.
Doesn't help the ELMS one bit, though.
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18 Jul 2012, 14:42
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The too many series thing is actually less drastic than it appears.
Ratel is going to kill off either one or both of his sprint series over the winter and that should solve his problems.
Doesn't help the ELMS one bit, though.
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Ratel brought in sprint series to satisfy TV, it spoilt the old FIA GT series and IMO Sports/GT racing should be about endurance but the televising of such races is a problem as it is difficult to keep the viewer interested. ALMS seems to do a decent job of that and is perhaps the bench mark for TV but again I think those races are too short
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18 Jul 2012, 16:36
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Ratel brought in sprint series to satisfy TV, it spoilt the old FIA GT series and IMO Sports/GT racing should be about endurance but the televising of such races is a problem as it is difficult to keep the viewer interested. ALMS seems to do a decent job of that and is perhaps the bench mark for TV but again I think those races are too short
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ALMS isn't even shown live.
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18 Jul 2012, 16:54
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ALMS isn't even shown live.
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Yes it is. All races online and many on TV. Just not all races make TV in their entirety.
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18 Jul 2012, 17:00
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ALMS isn't even shown live.
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And when it is shown "live" they can't even get a 3 hour timeslot so they come into the race late, the coverage is out of synch with the online broadcast and the annoucning/production quality is horrible. The ALMS is barely a blip on the American sports radar although it's probably significantly more popular than the ELMS is in Europe. They haven't even bothered to release television ratings this year with the excpetion of Sebring. The TD highlights broadcast of the Sebring 12 Hours on ABC network television got a 0.51 rating, actually up 13% from last year's 0.45. Indycar typically gets between a 0.8 and 1.1 on network with the exception of the 500 and of course NASCAR is in a different league like F1 is in Europe.
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18 Jul 2012, 17:01
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Yes it is. All races online and many on TV. Just not all races make TV in their entirety.
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Local Mudtruck championships have live online coverage as well, I think he was referring to live tv coverage.
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18 Jul 2012, 17:46
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Say, can we apply to America as well other than Europe?
I mean, they have too many series that are competing against each other like ALMS and Grand-Am... And then the World Challenge and Trans-Am.
Although they have a healthy grid this year on both ALMS and Grand-Am, it seems that they're still outdoing each other in an endless spiral.
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